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A77137 A defence and justification of ministers maintence by tythes. And of infant-baptism, humane learning, and the sword of the magistrate; which some Anabaptists falsely call four sandy pillars, and popish foundations of our ministry and churches. In which tythes are proved to be due by divine right to the ministers of the gospel. All common objections answered, and divers cases of conscience humbly proposed: with a light to clear them. / In a reply to a paper sent by some Anabaptists to Immanuel Bourne, late pastor of the church in Asheover in the county of Derby: now preacher to the congregation at Waltham in the county of Leicester. With a short answer to Anthony Peirson's great case of tythes, &c. Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672. 1659 (1659) Wing B3851; Thomason E1907_1 92,679 184

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seeth best and preserve us to his Heavenly Kingdom The Anabaptists answer and conclusion I come now to your conclusion which followeth in these words SIR I might have added hereunto many Arguments from the Scripture to prove what I affirmed but I judge them needless supposing that what is here contained is sufficient to convince you or any rational man in the world of the Grounds and Reasons of our Separation from your Assemblies Vale. John Darker Tobias Watson Mr. Bourn's Reply Friends I see you are very forgetful of what you boasted of in the first page of your sheet of paper That your Foundation Principles for as I understand you it is the Principle of your own Church you speak of if you account your selves your company a Church of God That these your Foundation Principles have Scripture as clear to prove them as the Sun at noon-day withou● the help of Consequences or Illustration but now it appeareth it was but a vapour for let the Reader consider and judge whether you have brought any one Scripture proof of these Points in Difference between us that is as clear as the Sun at noon day without a consequence or Illustration I am sure not one neither for your first second nor third Ground of Separation First you speak magisterially against Infant-membership and accuse us as if our Church were builded only of these but you prove it not and your places of Scripture are all consequences Ergo c. and so for your Second your places of Scripture are all falsely applyed they may belong rather to your selves than to us And for your Third which consists of your Friend Haggars four legs which you call Sandy Pillars and Popish Foundations if any shew of proof could have been it must have been by consequences of which here you bring none and so have neither proof nor shew of proof so that I may justly tell you what you had writ in your Paper is not sufficient to convince me or any rational man in the world of the sufficiency of the Grounds and Reasons of your separation from our Assemblies Therefore I hope if God be pleased to open your eyes to see your Errors you will in Gods due time return to us again I do not mean to joyn with those Congregations or Assemblies which are neither Reformed nor Reforming who take no care to separate the pretious from the vile Jer. 15.19 but admit all ignorant and scandalous to communion with them whose Ministers neglect Catechizing that truly profitable and necessary work to prepare people for a ripe-year Church-membership and comfortable fellowship with the Saints and the Lord Jesus Christ 1 John 1.3 but to joyn with those Congregations which are Reformed and reforming whether they be Presbyterial Independant or any other godly Ministers and Reformed Congregations for if they be godly they are Brethren Gen. 41.24 and will not fall out by the way if they be of christian peaceable spirits and such as love and desire the peace and unity amongst the Churches of Christ which every faithful soul ought to pray daily for I leave the Reader to take notice of your VALE it seems you will take your leave in Latine though you find fault with our Humane Learning But I conclude with my humble and hearty Prayers to our good God in Jesus Christ that it will please him to open your hearts to attend not to the Doctrines of men or humane Tradition which they call New lights but upon true examination will be found old E●to●s 2 Tim. 3.5 6 7. which by means of your secret Meetings seducing spirits have an easie way to draw you unto yea to wicked heresies Gal. 5.20 too frequent works of the flesh scattered by divers of you amongst poor simple souls but that you may keep close to the word of Truth the holy Scriptures not wrested 2 Pet. 3.17 and falsely applied as we see too many do to the great danger of their souls and the souls of others but according to the mind of the Holy Ghost speaking in the Scriptures and by plainer places giving light to understand those which are more difficult that being guided by that holy Spirit of Truth you may walk as becometh the Gospel of Christ not in enmity against but in peace and love with the godly faithful Ministers of Christ in England commonly so known and esteemed and in peace and love with the churches of Jesus Christ attending conscionably upon and at the publick preaching of the Gospel that you may receive strength from Christ in Grace and in the end if it be the will of God have communion with us and all the Saints of Christ in glory In the mean time let us pray with the Apostle Paul Rom. 15.6 7. Now the God of patience and consolation grant that we may be like-minded one towards another according to Christ Jesus that we may with one shoulder one mind and one mouth glorifie God even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ which is the earnest desire and Prayer of him who subscribes himself one desirous to be found A Friend and Servant to all the Churches of God in Christ Jesus Immanuel Bourne Waltham in Com. Leicester June 10. 1659. To the High and Mighty PRINCE The Captain-General of SIONS ARMIES And the Lord of Lords and King of Kings the Wonderful Counsellor the Mighty God the Everlasting Father the Prince of Peace the Great Lord Patron and Governour of his Church and Children the Lord Jesus Christ The most humble Supplication and Petition of one of his most unworthy Servants and daily Orator at the Throne of Grace MY truly gracious Lord the bless●d Father of thy poor divided John 19.23 24. distressed Church and Children thy coat was without seam woven from the top throughout O that thy Church and people were without Rents Schisms and Divisions but this is the grief of thy poor servants soul that thine and thy Churches enemies have sowed Tares among thy wheat Judg. 9.13 1 Cor. 1.12 yea that a spirit of Division is come into the midst of thy Congregations and separateth Saints from Saints so that one saith I am of Paul another I am of Apollo another I am of Cephas another I am of Christ far unlike those blessed christians in the Primitive times who were of one heart and of one soul in thy worship and service Acts 4.32 agreeing sweetly together in the Faith of thee their Lord and Saviour but alas alas how contrary are we to them by means whereof instead of that bond of love and peace Ephes 4.34 and that unity of the Spirit and truth which ought to be amongst thy Disciples behold a loosness for Divisions and a spirit of Error and Separation hath made thy Saints naked to their shame Exod. 32.25 Psal 2.1.2 3. Psal 83.2 3 4. Isai 26.8 9. Behold O Lord Satans Kingdom and the Kingdom of Antichrist can hold fast together and combine against thy Majesty and