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A95027 Something in answer to two late malitious libels of William Rogers; intituled, the sixth and eighth part of his (falsly so called) Christian-Quaker, &c. : Being a further caution to Friends, to take heed of that treacherous spirit that is entered into William Rogers and his abettors. : Who under the profession of primitive truth, are betraying it to the world ... / Published for the clearing of truth against William Rogers's lies and slanders ... C.T. Taylor, Christopher, ca. 1615-1686.; Rogers, William, d. ca. 1709. Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator. Part 6.; Rogers, William, d. ca. 1709. Christian-Quaker distinguished from the apostate & innovator. Part 8. 1682 (1682) Wing T265; ESTC R184889 30,402 42

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and follow And such by W. Rogers must be Accounted Honourable Elders and Preachers And yet in his Sixth Part Page 12. tells us The Kingdom of God stands in Righteousness and Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost and tells us again in his Sixth Part. Page 3. of his Inward peace with the Lord c. and in his Second Page Part 8. there he speaks of the Government of Christ who alone is Lord over the Conscience and Page 10. Part 6. he tells us He is breathing to the Lord of Heaven That we and G. F. may be humbled before the Lord and G. F. in Particular that High and Lofty one may not utterly fall c. What a mad Prayer is this how canst thou be at peace and breath unto the Lord and be thus Wicked for thy Prayers are an Abomination to the Lord. And thou hast not only Judged G. F but as thou scoffingly saist his party also to be Apostates that is such as have blessed Unity with him in the Truth which is the whole Body of Friends who have kept their Habitations in the Living Truth and Faith of Gods Elect which thou art gone from And by what Spirit dost thou pretend thou hast Peace with God and breathest to God and tellest of his Kingdom and yet art blind and dost not see it s thy Duty to obey and follow that which is given forth from the Spirit of God c. How can thy Spirit and the Spirit of those thou termest thy Honourable Brethren be accounted any otherwise then a loose frivolous Spirit And doth W. R. and those that Encouraged him to publick his confused Books stuffed full of Contradictions and with a Rabble of false charges as hath been shewn in other Answers in Print believe that they proceeded from Gods Spirit when he doth not see it to be his Duty to Obey that which is given forth from the Spirit of God are you all of his Mind And he saith Speaking of the Unction That by it all things are known And yet he doth not see it his Duty to Obey that which is given forth from the Spirit of God For this is applied to William Rogers J. Story J. Wilkinson and their Followers for he doth not mention any others who are thus Blind that they do not see for we who are the Members of that Body which Christ is the Head of do see it is our Duty to Obey that which is given forth from the Spirit of God in our day Do we not Read that under the Dipensation of the Law which came by Moses the Priests lips were to preserve the Peoples Knowledge and to be Instructers to the People in all things pertaining to that Dispensation that the People might not be Ignorant of the Law of God but might fully know it And where they doubted in any thing that Priesthood was to Compleat their Knowledge in it that they might not plead Ignorance in any thing contained in the Law to be done for God was able by his Spirit then both Immidiatly and Instrumentally by his Priesthood appointed under that Dispensation to Instruct them fully and none then could say they did not see or they did not believe what was the mind of God under that Dispensation But those that wilfully stopped their Ears and shut their Eyes least they should hear and see understand and obey the will of God who Rebel'd against the Spirit And such came to be hardined in their Sins and Rebel against the Truth and despise the Government of it as Korah and his Company in the Conspiracy against Moses and Aaron c. Much more now in our day under the clear Gospel Ministration may the Israel of God be fully Instructed both Immediately and Instrumentally by his Spirit in all things pertaining to the Doctrine and Discipline of Truth and Gospel Government that their hearts may be subject thereunto and they need not plead Ignorance and say I see not this or I believe not this and If I do this or Obey t'otheir it will be a blind Obedience and I shall do it without Faith or sight I say none need plead thus and upon this ground and with their blind Minds and dark Understandings in their Disobedience oppose Gods People in what they both see and believe to be given forth by his Spirit For Christ hath enlightned them all and hath poured his Spirit upon all Flesh that they may see and perceive that which is given forth from the Spirit Therefore we do affirm that every Imprejudiced simple-harted Friend waiting and following on to know the Lord in his Light and Spirit will grow up in the Faith and not oppose the Faithful in their Faithfulness towards God in what he makes known of his Will And so the Simple-minded will mind the Lord and his power which will preserve them in Unity and fellowship with the Brethren the Members of Christ in the Spirit and Light according to their growth in the Truth and if at any time there be any Conscientious Scrupling concerning any thing as to matter of Discipline or Government or any thing else they will be desirous and willing to Ask Counsil of the Lord and in Gentleness and Meekness of his Faithful People in sinserity without Opposition as the Corinthians did to Paul who answered them cencerning the things they had wrote to him that they might be Convinced and helped in matters pertaining to Faith and Conscience And where did ever the Jews say to Moses and the Prophets They were not convinced and did not see if their Duty to follow and obey that which they declared from the Lord to them And also where did ever the Disciples of Christ say We are not convinced and do not see it our Duty to follow and obey that which thou Commandest us And forasmuch as it is on Record that the Apostles and the Elders wrote their Orders and Decrees and Traditions to the Churches where did ever the Churches and true believers tell the Apostles and the Elders they did not see nor beliebe and had not Faith in their words and therefore it was not their Duty to Obey that which they writ and spoke to them from the Lord by his Spirit but called it Imposition and blind Obedience this always was a marke of the false Apostles and Christians who opposed the true and it was and is the Devil that did and does blind People now that they do not see their Duty to God to do what he commands them Are the Ranters excusable because they say they do not see or believe the wickedness they commit to be sin or evil Will this excuse them in the the day of Judgment take warning and take heed Must not the secrets of Men be Judged by Jesus Christ according to the Gospell which is Preached to or in every Creature under Heaven And canst thou and thine Abettors be excused in your wilfulness and wicked rebellion against God and his People under pretence that you do not see
Something in ANSWER To Two late MALITIOUS LIBELS of William Rogers Intituled The Sixth and Eighth part of his falsly so called Christian-Quaker c. Being a further Caution to FRIENDS To take heed of that Treacherous Spirit that is entered into WILLIAM ROGERS and his Abettors Who under the Profession of Primitive Truth are betraying it to the World and puting truths Lambs into their Bearskins for the World to Worry because they have no power to do it themselves who have published their wicked Books in Askalon the fire of their Infamy and have told it in Gath the Wine Press to press out their sower Grapes to set the Peoples teeth on Edge against the Lambs of God Published for the Clearing of Truth against William Rogers's Lies and Slanders and for the Information of the simple-minded that they may not be insnared by the Crafts and Wiles of Satan through such fallen Antichristian Instruments as William Rogers and such as are Entered into the same Malitious Spirit with him C. T. 2 Tim. 3. v. 8. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses so do these also resist the Truth Men of Corrupt minds Reprobate concerning the Faith V. 9. But they shall proceed no further their folly shall be manifest to all Men as theirs also was V. 13. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse deceiving and being deceived London Printed for John Bringhurst Printer and Stationer at the Sign of the Book in Grace-Church-Street 1682. AN ANSWER TO William Rogers William Rogers I Have read something in thy two Books called the sixth and eighth part of thy Book called The Christian Quaker reflecting upon me at a gross abusive rate because I withstood thee in Print in thy Printing that malicious Book called by thee The Christian Quaker c. And good ground I had to withstand thee as I did For reading in thy Book I understood thy drift intent to be to render dear G.F. by Name several others dragged by their Names in thy Book with my self included and indeed all Friends who are in Unity with us who are the Church of Christ to be Apostates and Innovators and thy self with thy Adherents to be the Christian-Quakers in thy false sence as plainly appears in thy Book which I suppose thou wilt not deny So this being the true state of the case we must either submit to thee or thou and those of thy Spirit to us But that we are Apostates or Innovators that is Revolters Backsliders from the Truth deserters of our Guide and Captain Christ Iesus And Innovators or such as bring in new things into the Church and alter or contradict the true Government and State of it we utterly deny and reject thy false Charge and all that are concerned with thee And my Charge from God upon thee is true Thou art of a Rebellious Mind and standest up as Korah and his Company did against Gods faithful and true Servants who have and do keep their Habitations in the Truth to this day And thou art of a slanderous Tongue and void of a good Understanding How long wilt thou pervert the Truth in thy gainsayings and stand in opposition to the Lords power and reject Gods pure Counsel to thee through his Servants and their tender desires for thee which sometimes have reached thy Conscience But take heed lest thy Rum come and there be none to help thee And when thy work is over without Repentance with Judas thou go to thy proper place What adoe thou makest because I have quoted no particular sentence out of thy Book but in the general as in my Title Page and other places I have given the Reader to understand that the matter of my Charge against thee is in thy Book called The Christian-Quaker c. These are my words in the Title Page To Friends To take heed of that Treacherous Spirit that is entred into William Rogers and his Abettors as appears in his Book falsely called The Christian Quaker And if the ground of my Charge against thee be not the ground of thy Book and in thy Book over and over then I have erred and am not to be believed But thou canst not justly deny nor any of thy Abettors but that thou hast rendred us aforementioned to be both Apostates and Innovators and if thou dost deny it thou dost overthrow the foundation of thy Book And none need to pin their Faith on my Sleeve to believe this but in the Light of Christ to Read See and Believe for themselves in this matter And to thy wicked Book I refer the Reader whether this be not the main Subject of it and so is notorious false and blasphemous Read Rev. 2.9 I know the Blasphemy of them which say they are Iews and are not but are of the Synagogue of Satan This is become thy condition who callest thy self a Christian Quaker but indeed art of the Synagogue of Satan that Adversary And what if I have neither particularly quoted Part nor Page of thy Book yet what I affirm is true Unto which for proof of what I say I refer the Reader to thy Book and justifie my Charge against thee and Charge thee with Rebellion and gainsaying the Truth and Power of God in his faithful Servants For we Charge thee in the Presence of God and before his Angels and Men to be a false Accuser of the Brethren and to be guided by a malicious evil Spirit And now as for my not quoting Part and Page out of thy Book I did not go about particularly to Answer thy Book but to bear my Testimony against thee not to be of God in that Spirit thou writ it And in Rev. 2.15 is spoken by John of the Doctrine of the Nicolaitans which he hated and quotes not what that Doctrine was nor Chapter nor Verse and yet is not reflected on as not to be believed in one word he speaks c. And whereas thou quotest something out of the third Page in my Book and quarrel'st with the two last words for ever because I say To the Praise of his Name for ever having before spoken of the Lords eminent Instruments in his Hand as dear G. F. and others opposed by W. R. as Apostates and Innovators Thou sayest by the words for ever If I mean G. F. that is to the Praise of G. F.'s Name for ever Then thou sayest I should have added so and so c. And so bringest in several ●fs and runnest with thy Horns especially against G. F. But this is quibling and scurrilous and catching according to the Nature of the Spirit thou art led by For who will take it so But to put all out of doubt for the sake of the simple it is to be read according to my Mind and Meaning To the Praise of the Lords Name for ever Now William These foolish things from a perverse and malicious Airy Mind thou hast been Publishing and telling as in Gath and Askalon that the uncircumcised Priests
nor believe Nay William thou and you are seen and your wicked work is weighed in the Ballance of Truth and found too light and Woe and Misery from God will be your Portion except you Repent Your Nakedness doth appear for want of anointing your eyes with eye-salve that you might see c. For truly since you went from the Light of Christ by which you were convinced by which all God's People are now at this day kept in Unity I do plainly see with that eye-salve God hath given me that you are got into a Spirit of Rudeness Lightness Scornfulness and despising those that truly fear the Lord so that it is enough to convince every sober-minded person what Spirit you are led and acted by that they may see with the Light of Christ how you are fallen from the pure truth of the Gospel into Looseness like so many Way-marks for God's people to shun c. W. R. Thou makest a great Pudder and muddlest thy head about our Orders in part 8. p. 5. and twice in pag. 6. And about outward prescriptions in the same Page twice and pag. 10. there thou art at it again and speakest of Decrees and Prescriptions twice over then pag. 13. thou art at it again c. Answ But William why dost thou make such a confused noise about our Orders as though thy Head was amazed And dost so worry them with thy muddled Head that thou hast not been able to give a perfect list of them though it has been of thee demanded What those Orders are that our Friends have imposed upon you For with thy own muddled Head thou thinkest to muddle others Heads with thy making a noise about our Orders Prescriptions Decrees and Government but neither thou nor J. S. nor J. Wilkinson have yet given a full and particular Account of them what they are and stated them aright with the day when and the Year they were given forth that people might have seen them together with a Catalogue of thy own I. Wilkinson's and I. Story 's Decrees and Orders what they are thou shouldst have brought them forth that people might have seen them and been able to judge of them So give over thy making a Noise and Clamouring and Brawling against our Orders Prescriptions and Decrees as long as thou dost not discover them all to the people what they are that people may not be deceived by thee and pin their Faith on thy Sleeve for in this thy empty work thou hast but been beating the Air. And as for the Fruits of a Careless Loose Libertine Dark Spirit W. R. with all his I●'s in all his Writings hath not proved against G. F. but hath manifested them to be the Fruits of his own Spirit whose Tongue is become no slander nor words of any Credit with them that fear the Lord. And J. Wilkinson and W. Rogers have not answer'd G. F's Question yet though W. R. be at it again in his 8th part pag. 8. viz. Whether or no an Heavenly Member of Christ's Body that is such as are born again of the Spirit and of the Immortal seed by the word of God turns to Dust Yea or Nay For G. F's Query was not about an Earthly Member nor an Earthly Corruptible Body but an Heavenly Member Part 8. pag. 2 3. W. R. says It 's the duty of some c. to pin their Faith on the sleeves of C. T. c. Again This small Tract is now written for the sakes of such among the people called Quakers as are not yet Principle'd to pin their Faith upon other mens sleeves Answ Are not the spreaders and the sellers of W. R's malitious Books the pinners of their Faith upon his sleeve And yet they are so confused that they will not stand by him in it But it was always my Judgment to Judge such as Pin their Faith upon thy sleeve or J. S's or J. W's or upon any else For the Faith of God's Elect stands in Christ the Author and Finisher of it And what need was there that any one that reads my Book against thee should pin their Faith on my slieve But W. R. hast not thou Judged us often over in thy malitious slanderous Book to be Apostates and Innovators Was not this a just ground for me to declare thee to be of Korahs Spirit and of Cains Line And if thou hast not in thy Book rendred us such as Apostates and Innovators unto which I refer the Reader then clear thy self if thou canst or else the Burthen of my words in my Testimony against thee in that Spirit thou writ that Book must certainly lie upon thee And herein I have not wronged thee I affirm it and still charge thee in the same true Judgment to be of Korahs and Cains Line to be sealed down under Eternal Judgment and Condemnation from God for ever except thou Repent and we stand over thee in the Authority of God's Power and of such as Abet to thee and adhere to thee in that Malitious Proud and Lofty Spirit thou art entred into W. R. saith part 8. pag. 5. That 't was safer to have a Dependency on this measure of Christs Light in our selves than to have an Eye out to the measures of others Answ Hath not W. R. shewed his Darkness and theirs that incouraged him to Print his Book For can any see the measure of the Spirit of Christ and his Light in others but by the measure of the Spirit of God in themselves in which they come into Unity But where did ever either I or any of our faithful Brethren bring any to look and have a Dependency upon the Measure in others and neglect the measure of the Spirit of God in themselves by which they should be guided to become the Sons and Daughters of God This was never our Principle but thou wouldst insinuate such a thing W. R. And in Part 8. pag. 10. thou speakest of a Visible man to be an Eye to see for the rest of the Body and pag. 11. thou bringest the same and Part 6. pag. 16. thou art muddling thy head again about the same thing and tellest of a late Doctrine viz. Have your Eye to the Brethren And sayst further The substance of this Doctrine hath of late been publish'd also in Publick Meetings c. As in the Natural Body the Eye is placed to see for all the rest of the Members so also in the Spiritual and hath been explained so as it hath been sometimes taken that G. F. is an Eye for the whole Body and other times as if some other Persons were an Eye for a Meeting c. Answ But who have publish'd these Doctrines whom thou hast so backbited in Print thou hast not named their names so must I pin my Faith on thy slieve for the proof thereof But hath not my Caution to the simple-hearted that they should not be deceived by thy lying slanderous Book tormented thee and thy Spirit because of thy wicked Works
And doth not W. R. think himself to be an Eye to his Brethren And doth he not take himself to be an Eye for John Story J. Wilkinson and the rest of the Seperate Company And have not they made him their Eye and Tongue and Mouth to Publish their Writings and Words and their silly false Certifficate Or is their Body without an Eye But the living Members which are the Church and the Body o Christ which he is head of he hath given a Spiritual Eye unto for he is their Eye by his Light and Spirit and without him we can do nothing By which Light all Members do see for themselves and to edifie one another in the most Holy Faith And I would have all people to have an Eye from Christ in themselves that they may see both thy Spirit and thy Books which many do now more fully see than before W. R. saith in Part 6. pag. 3 4. When I consider what Multitudes of the weaker sort of people are apt to be deceived by Embracing Shadows instead of Substance and Lies instead of Truth c. it hath been one motive amongst others occasioned me once more to appear in Print Answ Hath not W. R. appeared here to make the weaker and them that are apt to be deceived to believe him to be a strong man and an Eye to see for them that which they are not able to see for themselves nor help themselves who are weak so doth not he pretend here to see for them and to be a strength to them which he says Hath been one motive amongst others occasioning him once more to appear in Print so hath he not made himself a Seer or an Overseer here among others which thing in effect he Judges in the Body of Christ of which Body we are Now doth not here W. R. confound himself For why should not those Weak hear for themselves and see for themselves with the Light and Grace of Christ which thou W. R. confessest to be sufficient And dost not thou speak of an Unction within them by which all things were known Part 8. pag. 11. But Is not this the occasion that thou once more appearedst in Print that those Weak and such as are apt to be deceived may look at thy Writings For thou dost not say they should try thy Writings by the Light and Grace of Christ within them in the Third and Fourth Pages Part Six But is it not really thy mind that they should believe thee to see for them and help them and to pin their Faith on thy Slieve If not to what end is thy Writing For if thou seest neither for their Body nor for the separate Meeting what doth all thy Scribling then signifie W. R. Part 8. pag. 10. That the Grace of God is sufficient and that every one is to be left to their own measure Thou needst not tell us that who obey it And whereas thou goest over and over in thy Book telling us of G. F's Party but this is from thy malicious foul Spirit We are not such a Party as thou wouldst insinuate but are for Christ and all his Believers in the Light which is the Life in Christ Jesus before Parties were And that in the Light Grace and Spirit of Christ we might all exalt Christ both in Males and Females and by it we may know him to Reign in all our hearts W. R. And whereas thou keepest a Railing against the Second Days Meeting in several places in thy Book Answ I must tell thee the least Babe in Christ that is of that Meeting hath an Understanding with the Light and Spirit of Christ to see over thy foul Spirit and its Works and God hath given them the Spiritual Judgment to Judge them both And thou shalt proceed no further but art detected and thy Folly will be made manifest to all men that hear or see thy Books And the God of Heaven and Earth hath suffered thee a while that when thou hast run thy Race he may fasten his Hook in thy Jaws And how dare W. R. Part 8. pag. 6. say That the Second Days Meeting is Guilty of the like Crime of that nameless Book that W. P. answered Whereas Ellis Hooks his name was set to the Book on the behalf of the Second-Days-Meeting whose Credit did go as far as W. R's and farther among them that fear God And others also of us do own it and will stand by it And W. R. Part 6. pag. 9. speaks Of Saul 's hearkning to Samuel the Prophet c. ' Which he thinks should be a warning to G. F. and others of his Party to hearken unto the Word of the Lord that came through his Servant John Wilkinson on the Twentieth Day of the Sixth Month 1675. on this wise viz. To Repent and turn from your Proceedings and leave Gods people to the Order of his Gospel and Command and that if they would not then the Lord himself would break them and turn them one against another about their Orders so far W. R. of John Wilkinson Answ But neither W. R's nor J. W's Words do answer the Light of the Spirit of God in our Consciences to believe his words as the word of the Lord which proceeded from his Imaginations and lying perverse Spirit For all the Believers in the Light which are the Children of Light are in the Glorious Order of his Gospel the Power of God and Command and others are exhorted to it And J. Wilkinson might see and thou also if thou and he will believe Truth that he is a false Prophet and his false Prophecy is come upon himself For how many hath the Lord broken off from them in the North and also in the South And through thy Wicked Printings many have come to see with the Light of Christ your Wicked Spirit and its Work And especially when they see J. S's and J. Wilkinson's Orders of giving power to meet and those that would not take them but would meet without their Power and Orders were called Usurpers of Authority And many of these Simple-hearted which were ensnared by Subscribing to them are come off from them and have given Certificates against J. Story and J. Wilkinson which W. R. saith It was an Endeavouring to uncover the pretended Nakedness of them to wit his Brothers or Brethren sending Certificates abroad thereof Spread amongst Friends and Enemies Now I do understand that those Enemies were such as J. W. and J. S. had deceived and drawn into a Seperation or did Abet them and the Friends were the faithful that kept to Christ their head and did not follow J. S. nor J. Wilkinson in their Seperation And to such they were sent that they might see how they had been betrayed and as a Warning to others that they might not be deceived as thou hadst been So the Spreading of those Certificates according to the mind of those who had been seduc'd into a joyning with the Seperate Meeting and were brought off through