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A19031 An advertisement concerning a book lately published by Christopher Lawne and others, against the English exiled Church at Amsterdam. By Richard Clyfton teacher of the same church Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618. 1612 (1612) STC 5449; ESTC S118626 88,142 134

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because of it vve baptise them not againe vvhen at the same tyme vve baptise others that vvere never baptized before And also that the leaving repenting of all the corruptions and apostasie among thē vvill not satisfy the Anabaptists unles vve leave also the baptisme it self and hold vvith them that there is not so much as one post or threshold of Gods remayning in the apostate Church as some also of these that thus except against us have not stuck to affirme They that are vvise and unpartiall vvill carefully consider and regard these things though these men them selves cannot yet be brought so to doe And novv I vvil proceed to the next objection For the fift vvith which the fourth and eight in the printed copie doe agree it vvas in deed sayd that the baptisme of the Church of Rome is true baptisme And so it is as the circumcision in Israels apostasie vvas true circumcision and not to be repeated agayne And if it be not a true baptisme it is a false baptisme And false baptisme is not Gods baptisme nor Gods ordinance For God is the author of truth not of falshood Moreover a true baptisme are vve bound to have when vve have the meanes to attayne it Els the neglect thereof is sinne VVherefore they that hold it not to be true baptisme must become Anabaptists and be rebaptized VVhich thing let them vvell look unto And seeing in the printed copie they saye they doe still denye it to be true baptisme I vvill here therefore insist upon it somevvhat more And first it must be remembred that vvhen I sayd the Baptisme of the Church of Rome is true baptisme they did not onely deny it so to be vvhich alone they speak of here but affirmed it also to be an Idol vvhereof here they speak not at all Note also that our speach vvas and is of the outvvard baptisme in the Church not of the invvard baptisme of the holy Ghost which is may be eyther vvith or vvithout the outvvard baptisme wherof none vvill offer to say that it is not true baptisme or that it is an Idol as vvas sayd of the other Novv therefore upon their opinions and assertions I reason further thus If the Baptisme had in the Church of Rome be not true baptisme then it is not the Lords baptisme ordeyned by him in his Church And if it be not that baptisme of the Lords thē they which have no other but it should not in that estate eate the Lords supper but should get the Lords baptisme afore they come to the Lords table For as in Israel none might eat of the Lords passeover that had not the Lords circumcision so novv may none eat the Lords supper that have not the Lords baptisme Exod. 12 48. Act. 2 41 42. 1 Cor. 10 1-4 with Act. 18.8 and 1 Cor. 11.26 And so by this doctrine opinion of theirs as often as they come to the Lords table in that estate they pollute and prophane it and eate and drinke judgment to themselves and therefore had need betymes to look unto it and to examine and judge themselves hereabout least they be judged of the Lord. 1 Cor. 11.28 Agayne there is but one baptisme as there is but one bodie one spirit one hope of our calling one fayth one God and Father of all c. Ephes 4.4.5.6 1 Cor. 12.13 Novv the baptisme had in the Church of Rome eyther is that one baptisme or is not it If it be that one then it is true baptisme vvithout all question If it be not then they which have no other but it have not that one baptisme spokē of by the Apostle in the Scriptures aforesaid and therefore must get it not onely afore they may come to the Lords table as is aforesaid but also that they may have the comfort of this one baptisme the true outward seale of Gods covenant to confirme unto them that they are baptized into that one bodie partakers of that one spirit heyres of that one hope of eternall life under that one Lord in that one fayth the children of that one God and father of all vvhich is above all and through all and in us all Othervvise so long as they neglect or deprive themselves thereof it vvill follovv upon them by their ovvne opinion and assertion vvhich they say they doe still hold that they stand in great sinne neglecting or contemning to have the true baptisme instituted by the Lord that they deprive themselves of great comfort and confirmation on of their fayth about the particulars aforesayd touching the bodie and spirite of the Lord the fayth and hope of the children of God even our Father in Iesus Christ Furthermore the baptisme had in apostate Churches eyther is a seale of the covenant of God or not If it be a seale of the Lords covenant then sure it is true baptisme If it be not then see vvhat great things vvill follovv thereupon As first that they vvhich have no other baptisme but it have not the outvvard baptisme that sealeth unto them the covenant of God and therefore must vvith the Anabaptists gette another that they may be assured they have the seale of Gods covenant of grace and salvation Secōdly that there neyther have ben nor shall be in Babylon any of Gods people under his covenant which is contrarie to that vvhich is vvritten Revel 18 4. vvhere the Lord shevveth that he hath his people vvhō by the words of his covenant he calleth thence saying Come out of her my people c. And if these men vvill say that themselves are not of such people there spoken unto then let them tell us vvhen and hovv they came under the covenant of God and let them also shevv it vvithout stablishing their owne righteousnes of vvorks thereby Thirdly that the baptisme novv had in apostate Churches is not ansvverable to the circumcisiō had in the apostasie of Israel For that circumcision though had in apostasie vvas true circumcision a seale of the Lords covenant to his people and therefore needed not to be renounced or repeated But the baptisme novv had in the apostasie of the Church of Rome they say is not true baptisme and so not a seale of the Lords covenant to his people novv as the other vvas then therefore must be renounced and another that is true obteyned And thus agayne in this they make themselves would make us straugers frō the policie of Israel as in the poynt of government also vvas observed before Neyther will it novv help them to alledge those Scriptures or the like as vve have produced heretofore against the Anabaptists to approve the reteyning of our baptisme had in apostasie vvithout renunciation or repetitiō thereof as namely 2 Chron. 30. chap compared with Exod. 12 48 49. Gen. 17 10-13 Lev. 26 14-44.45 46. Deut. 4 25-31.2 King 9 6. and 13 23. Psal 78 9-38 and 89 30-34 Ezech. 16 44-63 and 43 7-9.2 Thes 2 3-8 Rom. 11