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A60497 No faith or credit to be given to Papists being a discourse occasioned by the late conspirators dying in the denyal of their guilt : with particular reflections on the perjury of VVill. Viscount Stafford, both at his tryal, and in his speech on the scaffold in relation to Mr. Stephen Dugdale and Mr. Edward Turbervill / by John Smith Gentleman ... Smith, John, of Walworth. 1681 (1681) Wing S4128; ESTC R12871 58,333 38

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only Faux declared that he was moved into it only for the sake of Religion and Conscience because he thought the King not to be his lawful Soveraign seeing he was an Heretick But Sir Everard Digby professed upon his Tryal that it was not ambition nor discontent with his Estate nor malice to any in Parliament but zeal for his Religion and the hopes of restoring it in England The fourth and principal thing wherein my Lord Stafford did either mistake himself or greatly prevaricate was in these words That the men concerned in the Powder-Plot did all acknowledge and confess it and begged Pardon of the King and God and all good men for it Nor shall I here insist upon this that I do not see how it was possible for my Lord Stafford to be assured that all the Persons who were in it were known and found out or that he could ever throughly understand whether even those that confessed after their apprehension did not conceal much more than they discovered But I shall confine my self to two things whereof the first is this that the conspirators when under Examination did with Oaths and Asseverations deny what themselves had full knowledge of and whereof the State had sufficient Evidence For Garnet having by the pretended favour of his Keeper an opportunity allowed him to discourse with Hall and being the next day charged by several Lords of the Privy Council with divers things which had passed betwixt them two in that conference he not only denied the whole upon his Soul and the word of a Priest but with so many repeated Protestations and terrible Execrations that my Lord of Salisbury who was then present said it wounded all their Lordships hearts to hear him And yet when confronted by Mr. Fauset who was both a learned person and a Justice of Peace and by Mr. Lockerson one likewise of known Reputation who had overheard all they said having conveniently placed themselves before hand to that purpose and withal understanding that Hall had confessed what they had discoursed he then acknowledged what with so many asseverations he had immediately before denied and begged mercy of the Lords saying he had offended if Equivocation did not help him And that we may not think Equivocations and Perjuries peculiar only to the Jesuits we have an Example of the like carriage in Sir Everard Digby who being upon his first apprehension examined did with most solemn Protestations and all kind of Execrations deny his being privy to the Powder-Plot and yet being afterwards confronted by the Testimony of Faux who had confessed that being at Sir Everards house in the Country some months before the intended Session of Parliament that Sir Everard having taken him aside told him he was afraid the Powder in the Cellar was grown dank and that some new must be provided lest that should not take fire he did thereupon not only acknowledge it notwithstanding all his former Execrations to the contrary but when he came to be indicted he confessed it upon his Arraignment Whence we evidently see that they not only with horrid Oaths and astonishing Asseverations denied what they knew themselves guilty of but that the Confessions they made did not proceed from any tenderness of Conscience or remorse for what they had been engaged in but were extorted from them by the uncontrollableness of the Evidence and by improving the confessions of some of themselves to oblige others to an acknowledgement The second thing I would have observed in the Gun-powder Conspirators is that several of them went out of the world in the same manner that our late Traitors did denying divers things to their last which they knew themselves to be guilty of And of this to avoid prolixity I shall give but two Instances one whereof shall be that of Francis Tresham Esq who not only gave it under his hand but took it upon his Soul and as he hoped for Salvation within three hours before his Death that he had not seen Garnet the Provincial of the Jesuits in sixteen years before and yet Garnet himself afterwards declared that they had enjoyed frequent conversation with each other within less than the space of three years and that he supposed Mr. Tresham meant to equivocate in denying it Where was now the sense of the Omnisciency of God or the dread of the future Tribunal which the Advocates for the late Traitors derive their Topicks to persuade the world of their Innocency from Alas the reputation and Interest of the Catholick Cause and the Confidence they reposed in Equivocations Dispensations and Absolutions had stifled all such Impressions The other Instance shall be Sir Everard Digby who not only endeavoured to clear all the Jesuits from being any waies concerned in that Treasonable Plot but gloried in the venturing his Salvation and Happiness upon it Whereas they themselves to the eternal reproach of that poor Gentleman's memory confest and acknowledged it And as if this had not been enough to witness his own insincerity and to instruct future Generations what little Faith is to be given to Papists either living or dying he with the same Impudence and to his very last denied that ever Father Wally i. e. Garnet had been at Coughton with him or that he knew Darcy to be the same with Garnet or understood that he was a Priest Whereas it appeared that he was not only very well acquainted with him but even Garnet himself confessed that he had been at his house Let our many pleading Orators for the late Traitors continue now to argue from the Confessions of the Gun-powder Conspirators that they acknowledging their guilt while the others dyed in the denyal of theirs as those were criminal so these must be innocent Whereas we cannot desire a more convincing proof how little the Oaths and Asseverations of Papists in the very circumstances of dying are to be depended upon than the assurance which we have from Authentick Records of the behaviour of those engaged in the Gun-powder Plot whom we have mentioned And that no danger which might arise to particular Romanists may be conceived to have discouraged our late Conspirators I shall subjoyn the case which Catesby propounded namely Whether for the Promotion of the Catholick Cause against Hereticks the necessity of time and occasion so requiring it were lawful among many nocents to take away some innocents To which Father Garnet with the greatest seriousness and utmost fixedness of Judgment answered That if the advantage to the Catholick Party were greater by taking away some Innocents together with many Nocents then doubtless it was lawful to kill and destroy them all So that if we do but apprehend that they were possessed with the least probability of prevailing in the issue the lives of multitudes of their own faction that would have been last in the Interim were to be esteemed a small price for so great a commodity as the re-establishing Popery in