spirit is by the worke of the spirit to bring fourth of our hearts praier to God which is than in truth when yt agreeth to Gods word But reading is another matter namely a receauing of instruccion into the heart from the booke Out of the first Mr. GIFFORD maketh men beleeue he hath fetched two heresies the one a perfection of faith the other that faith cannot be ioyned vnto or stand vvith anie outvvard helpes for the encrease therof Litle marueile he found so mâ—nie heresies in our whole writinges that could finde two or three in my first reason but that you may remember your self better though you had two yeares to consider I will bring the wordes before you againe if peradventure you may have grace to call backe yourself I said if the sighes and groanes in that kinde of praying were of faith yt would minister matter without a booke this sentence I may confirme by manie testimonies of scripture that no peruerted spirit can gainesay or resist the scripture teacheth vs euery where that in praying the spirit onlie helpeth our infirmities no other helpes mentioned or can be collected in the present action of prayer through the Scripture He hath sent into our hearts the spirit of his Sonne crying ABBA Father vve beleeue therfore vve speake Yet here is not anie shew of perfectioÌ„ of faith but of the contrary praying for our wantes But this may be gathered that God onely accepteth the fruits of his owne spirit in prayer and requireth no more of anie but that euerie one according to the proportion of faith pray vnto him as occasion in them requireth Nowe to conclude that because in praying we neede not a booke to speake for vs when the heart it self and booke of our Conscience speaketh with God that therefore fayth neuer needeth instruction but is perfect were sclanderous false and senselesse The cause then of these heresies proceed hereof that your selfe Mr. GIFFORD would needes frame two syllogismes and in the moodes of your malice coÌ„straine the proposition of the present action in praying to a general sentence of all times and actions though both our question here was of the verie action of praying and in the conclusion of that very poynt within six lynes after this you had these wordes Euen in the time of their begging at Gods hands so that these heresies must be Mr. Giffords and not myne seeing they are found to be coyned of his idle brayne and godles heart only to defame the trueth But say you the most part are ignorant weake short of memorie c. therefore need al helps to stir them vp to pray c. where by your own confession reading is not praying but a help to stir vp to pray And euen hereupon all our errours arise that you cannot discerne the difference of spirituall gifts with the distinct vse of them We doubt not but before prayer and all the dayes of our life we haue neede of helps of instruction to praye aright and for the fitnes of the mind and bodie often fasting reading meditating etc. are great helpes to go before to humble our selues in praying but in the present action of prayer when the heart is talking with God the eyes hands etc. with attention lift vp to heaueÌ„ al the powers of our soules and bodies conuersant with God to take a booke and read cannot be called in this action a help but a confounding of the mind of Gods ordinances and a doing we know not what though before and after it be an excellent meanes ordeyned of God to instruct vs to pray and al other dueties As for the confirmation you talke of where I alleadged that a troubled minde is the penne of a readie writer therfore needeth not a booke to speake for yt in the action of praying By troubled minde i vnderstood such a minde as is preseÌ„tly moued with the sight of some sinne or vrged by other occasion a broken spirit a broken and contrite heart aÌ„d not such a minde as in dispayre or doubt ys perplexed and that the heart which is moued in faith with present occasion to call vpon God is the penne of a readie writer that is hath matter aÌ„d wordes enough without a boocâ— to vtter yt owne wantes we may reade throughout the Psalmes My throte is dry saith David I am vvearie with crying c. But here againe instead of answere you tell me I runne vppon the rocke of an hereticall opinioÌ„ of perfection Wherin i wonder but that i perceaue your right eye is blinded you should be so carelesse what you say nay what after two yeares studie you put in prynt Doth it follow that because the heart moued with occasion through the worke of faith hath wordes and matter enough in praying without a booke to speake for yt that therfore faith is perfect let equal Iudges coÌ„sider Here you say manie are so troubled perplexed in minde that they cannot pray till they haue some consolation by the direction of others which wheÌ„ they cannot haue reading vpon a booke is a notable help I allowe al this and agree if you would make reading one thing and prayer an other divers exercises of the spirit etc. But in the verie action of praying to haue an other speake vnto vs never so good wordes of exhortation were but a confounding of the minde and actioÌ„ and an abuse of both those holie exercises Euen so by your owne comparison reading vpon a booke in the action of praying seing we cannot do both at once Yt is the Spirit of God in the verie action of prayer that helpeth our infirmities David in praying finding his soule heauie stirreth vp himself thus My soule whie art thou cast downe whie art thou disquieted within me waite on God For I will yet giue him thaÌ„kes my preseÌ„t help and my God He had a troubled minde his mouth wanted no wordes to prouoke the Lorde to heare his complaint and his heart to waite vpon the Lorde and so through all the Psalmes you shall finde the conversing of the soule with God to be such as yt were a mockery to think reading vpon a booke could haue anie place in that action or that anie mans writing could lay out the present estate of the soule with the passions therof The Priest may say my booke whie art thou so euill prynted for wheÌ„ they reade the heart caÌ„not reasoÌ„ and talke with God To the second poynt which was but your bare assuming of the question to say a man may pray by the spirit vpon a booke c. I alleadged that to worship God in spirit is when the inward faith of the heart bringeth fourth true invocation etc. this you graunt to be most true and that none other is accepted of GOD then that which proceedeth from the inward faith of our owne heart But you think that reading vpon a booke is to bring fourth of the heart true inuocatioÌ„ This cannot be if we consider the difference
Yet you would make meÌ„ belieue I reasoned thus that the Apostles did not nether our Sauiour himself nor anie that we reade of vse these wordes in prayer therfore they did not use yt Nay I said they did not vse those verie wordes in their prayers but vsed other wordes according to their particular wants as our Sauiour in the 17. of Iohn is said to do therfore he nether vsed nor coÌ„maunded others to say ouer those wordes And so I may well conclude that to impose certaine wordes to be read or said by roâ—te for praying vpoÌ„ the church espeaciallie meÌ„s writings is an intollerable pride euen a setting of men in the place of God Also to vse them or bowe downe vnto them in that order is sinne and breach of Gods lawe The fourth Argument Because true prayer must be of faith vttered with heart liuely voiâ—â— It is presumptious ignorance to bring a booke to speake for vs vnto God c. The fift Argument To worship the true God afther an other maner then he hath taught is Idolatrie But he Commaundeth vs to come vnto him heavie loaden vvith contrite heartes to cry unto him for our vvantes c. Therfore we may not stand reading a dead letter instead of powring fourth our petitions The Sjxt Argument We must striue in praier with continuance c. But we cannot striue in praier be importunate with continuance reading vpon a booke Therfore we must not reade when we should pray G. Gifford These 3. I ioyned togeather as hauing no weight you say I answeare by plaine contradiction without Scripture c. And afterwardes is not my bare deniall as good as your bare affirmation c. I. Greenvvood STay your selues and wonder they are blind and make blind Is ther anie doctrine more spirituall anie more inculcated by the Holy Ghost then this accesse vnto God in the mediation of 〈…〉 owne spirit to make our mindes knowne vnto God to offer vp the 〈…〉 owne spirit in vs and fetch encrease from him by this 〈…〉 true 〈◊〉 with the heart and voiâ—e This colioquie with the highe â—â—iestie of God is it a mâ—rter of no weight to learne to discerne betweene 〈◊〉 exercises of the spirit and to exercise his graces aright according to 〈◊〉 Rightly is it â—aid the wisedome of God is foolishnes to the naturall man But Mr. GIFFORD wil say he graunteth the propositioÌ„s true and weightie matters 〈◊〉 is the Assumptions that be so friuolous and as he saith a litle after ridiculous wel let them be weyed 1. That reading instead of praying is not a powringh fourt of the heart by liuely voyce 2. That it is a quenching of the spirit to reade an other mans wordes vpon a booke in the very action of powring fourth our heart as we pretend 3. That yt is not an vnâ—ordening of a contrite heart by faith but an ignorant action to reade for praying 4. That we cannot sâ—riue in prayer continue in prayer be importunate etc by reading vpon a â—ooâ—e These are the 〈◊〉 he tâ—incketh of so litle weight the bare deniall and contradiction wherof he holdeth of such credit that it must suffice for answeere seing he sa it he hath before proued the vse of reading See here he calleth yt the vse of reading he could not say that reading is praying nethâ—r that these twoo exercises of our Faith can be vsed both in one instant as one action I haue sheweed that proâ—â—che and anâ—gnosis praying and reading are divers actioÌ„s both of the minde and body let the reader consider what weight then this matter is of to talk with the lyuing God But for the benefit of such as haue grace to sauour the things that are of God I will a litle illustrate these Assumptions at least some of them 1. That yt is a quenching of the spirit to reade an other mans wordes vpon a booke when I should powre fourth mine owne heart the word yt self must be considered the Apostle commaundeth saying 1. Thessalonians 5.19 extinguish ye not the spirit Now to suppresse and leaue vnvttered the passioÌ„s of our owne heart by the worke of the spirit giuing vs cause of prayer and instead therof to reade an other maÌ„s writing I doubt not wil be founde and judged of all that haue spirituall eyes to see a quenching of that grace yea in that action the reading hindreth vs from pleading our cause with God according to the occasions we see in our owne hearts And by not teaching men to drawe out the graces of God in theÌ„ to offer vp the sweete incense of his owne spirit in prayer but an other course deuised by fleshly pollicye the people growe in such Atheisme that they learne not all the dayes of their life to lay open their owne soule before the Lord in prayer How much more then by imposing stinted wordes to be read in the whole assemblies insteade of the liuely graces making yt a sufficient ministerie to reade ouer such beggarlie ware do you abondon Gods spirituall giftes and make an assemblie of Atheists in most places of this land yea in the best assemblies you compell such ware to be read when and where the liuely voyces of Gods present graces should only he draweÌ„ fourth as an holie odour vnto the Lorde Yea I appeale to the conscieÌ„ces of all that feare God if this haue not brought the land generally into Atheisme that not one amongst an hundred can call vpon God 2. That it is an ignorance to presume to come into so neere a conversing with God and to do one action for an other so offring the sacrifice of fooles let yt be sufficient proof that reading is not praying That yt is presumptuous to bring such lame sacrifices when you know to do better let yt be considered whether you would so vncircumspectly and carelesly approche to the presence of the Prince or any noble personage Then if he be our Lorde where is his honour his feare etc. when we will teach men and compell meÌ„ to do they knowe not what in his sight and to offer such lame sacrifice The Priestes themselues care not what offring they bring him Malach. 1. Thirdly the reading praier can be at no hand a striuing in praier for the worde agoniso which is read Rom. 15.30 signifieth to conteÌ„d in feruency both in minde and worde to preuaile with God as Iaakob wrestled with the Angell and said I will not let thee go except thou blesse me Genes 32.24.25.26 such sâ—rift you shall see through out the Psalmes in thâ— prayers of David and the Prophets alas howe this should be performed eyther in feruencie or contynuance let the wise consider 4. For importunacy and contynuaÌ„ce in prayer wherof we haue many precepts let the worde be looked vpon which is proscartâ—reo to insist by perseverance etc. as we see our Souiour Christ make plaine vnto vs by a parable Luke 11.5 6.7.8 â—nd Luke 18.1.2.3.5.7 now shall not God auendge his elect which
the true God through the meditation of Christ in spirit and truth with heart and voyce for our present wantes according to the wil of God was never yet sincearly taught by these time-seruing Priests But as an agreeable service to the humors of earthlie minded men which haue not the spirit of God this ware was thrust vpoÌ„ al people they well knowing that such a ministerie and such a Church of wordlings could neuer haue stood without such a Samaritan worshipp and Egiptian calf and like earthlie deuised to counterfeyt a Religion al men inclyned to some And long have I heard this pretended worship inveyed against by many sometymes zealous for the errours and confused order therof Yet could I not heare anie to sett downe or teach which was the true prayer that only pleased God manie contriving divers formes of wordes as though they had knowen the heart of man counselled them to reade them day vnto day yeare vnto yeare at evening morning dinner Svpper c. by portion measure and stint as an offering to God what state soever the soule were in not teaching the difference betweene reading vpon a booke and prayer vnto God all this tyme. So that true and only prayer hath not beene taught al this tyme and those that knewe how to pray aright neglect it this reading being most easie as they thinke and they aâ—test therunto compelled in the publique assemblies thus to mocke with God after the manner of the papists mattins true zeale no where founde but in the persequted remnant These my first writings caryed abroade by such as desired true instruction and willing to make others partakers of such benefites as God imparted vnto them yt fell into Mr. GIFFORDS hand Who as yt seemeth being a marchaunt of such ware fynding the gayne of the priesthood to depend here vpon or as he saith the peace vniformitie of the Church made head vnto yt and that not with purpose as the fruite of his labour sheweth to edifie others but standing himself a minister to this Liturgie having made shipwrack of that conscience he sometimes was thought to haue with all bitternes of spirit and carnal wisdome having no more savour of grace in his writings then there is taste in the white of an egge fleeth vpoÌ„ me with vncharitable raylings sclanders c And loadeth not only me but al the faithfull that walke by the rule of Gods worde with opprobrious titles of Donatists Brownists Anabaptists Heretiques Schismatiques seditious foolish frantick c. to bring not onely vs but the truth of God into contempt with our Sovereigne Prynce and all that feare God for he ceaseth not with laying al reproches he can devise vpoÌ„ our persons as one of those Locusts Reu. 9. whose similituds are like vnto horses prepared to battell whose faces like men but theyr teeth as the teeth of Lyons But also perverteth blaspheameth and by al meanes de faceth the truth offered him Wel seyng the natural man perceaveth not the things of the spirit of God I speake not here of the giftes of the spirit but of the grace of God which sanctifieth the same many hauing Charismata that haue not Charin. And seyng I am alreadie thus rent Gods truth delivered by me troden vnder his feete I will followe the councell of Salomon who forewarneth me that he vvhich reproveth a skorner receaueth to himself shame and he that rebuketh the vvicked himself a blot And so tourne me from him leauing him to the consideration of his owne words where hee saieth in his Epistle to the reader He that seemeth most zealous in Religion and refrayneth not his tongue hath but bitternes in his heart in stead of heauenly zeale And though nothing els can be looked for at theyr handes that are Apostate from that light they have sometymes themselves published of which sorte the worlde was never more full yet for the good of Gods chosen scattered abroade and for the defence of Gods trueth I cannot holde my tongue And for the more playnenes I will answeare as to him though I minde not to haue anie more to do with him till God giue him repentance Wishing grace by the direction of Gods holy spirit to him that readeth to weigh both sides vprightly and to follow the truth to his owne saluation IO. GRENWOOD GEORGE GIFFORD To condemne and ouerthrow read prayer ye bring as the ground or foundation of all your matter this Sentence GOD is a Spirit and to be vvorshipped in Spirit Iohn 4. This Scripture in deede is cleare and strong to cut downe al Carnal worship as disgreeing from the nature of GOD. And if any mayntaine that the very bodily action of reading is the worship of God it may fitly be alleadged against them c. IOHN GREENWOODS ANSWER Wisdome is Iustified of her Children IT is agreed vpon and consented vnto on both sides that seeing God is a spirit and onely requireth such to worship him as worship him in spirit and truth all carnall worship is cut downe hereby of what sort soeuer as disagreeing from the nature of God And that all fantastical deuises of men namely whatsoeuer is not warranted in his worde is carnall worship a wearisomnes vnto him and lothsome in his sight So that no man ought to intermedle attempt or practize anie thing in shew of worship whereof they haue not sure grounde of his worde For euen our God is a consuming fire Now to put away all your bodily distinctions and earthly cauils I still affirme as I haue proued the stinting imposing mens writings vpon publique assemblies to haue them read ouer by number and stint or any other way as a worship of God in stead of true inuocation is a meere deuise of man and so carnall worship as also all other reading of mens writinges publiquely or priuatly in this abuse for praying to God Yet say you to apply this Scripture Iohn 4.22.23 in this manner against read prayer is friuolous where I appeale to all mens consciences for the weight therof It is friuolous you say except I can proue that a man cannot pray by the spirit of GOD with sighes and groanes vpon a booke or when prayer is vttered after a prescript forme c. At the first step you go about to alter the question All our prayers ought to be vttered after a prescript forme euen that perfect rule and forme our Sauiour gaue to his Disciples and al posteâ—ities But this is nothing to the matter For the other which is nothing but a begging of the question I alleaged certayne reasons to this effecet First that those sighes and groanes in reading instead of praying were not of fayth seeing in praying the sighes and groanes that proceede of faith minister matter to praye without a booke Secondly that you did but barely affirme the question in calling it prayer by the spirit when one doth read seing reading is not praying at al for as I then alleadged to inuocate the name of God in
number yet it is expressed in some other verse that yt is so But now admit that you could proue that the psalmes were read insteade of or for invocatioÌ„ which you shall neuer be able to do it doth not followe that meÌ„s writinges shoud be brought into the assemblies and read for praier The 6. of NoÌ„bers I haue answerd before FroÌ„ the 92. Psalme you reason thus If the psalmes other formes of prayer in the Scrìpturés were read or said by rote the verie forme of wordes for praying The reading instead of or for praying Here you durst not set your assumption it was so false which should be thus But the Psalmes other formes of prayer were read for praying c. This I shewed you was verie vntrue they were neuer coÌ„maunded so to be vsed nor never so vsed My proof was this they are giueÌ„ by the holy Ghost for other vses as singing reading etc. aÌ„d not comaunded anie where so to be vsed so that you do but cauill not hauing one proof for all your shameles assertioÌ„s Now where I demaunded what this made for your liturgies aÌ„d reading meÌ„s writinges for praying except you would make your owne writinges of equall authoritie with the Scriptures You aÌ„swere That if I denie the coÌ„sequence it was lawfull to use the Psalmes therfore mens writings theÌ„ I wil shut out all praiers eueÌ„ the prayer of the Pastor See your carnall handling shuffling and coÌ„founding Gods ordinances Doth yt followe that because meÌ„s writinges may not be brought into the publique asseÌ„blies or there read for praying therfore the prayers vttered by the liuely voice of the pastor should herebie be excluded this your shift was answered in the first ArgumeÌ„t your cavils are stale you are againe convinced Touching the other matter of coÌ„ning phrases aÌ„d formes of praier by roate to say ouer certeine number of wordes yt is popish and a meere euasioÌ„ and bewrayeth your ignoraÌ„ce in praier In this you haue granted me that he which prayeth not with a feeling of his preseÌ„t waÌ„ts of his soule but saith ouer certeine number of wordes of custome or affectatioÌ„ he is an hipocrite which is true proved Mat 6.7 Now by this examine your daylie monethlie annuall etc. saying ouer nay reading ouer certeine wordes euery tyme the same as you are stinted It is plaine the sacrifice of fooles Ecclesiastes 4.17 The two pointes wherin you protest so willinglie to agree with me were these First whether only such prayers as were made without the booke were accepted of Gods childreÌ„ Secondly whether the same spirit teacheth vs to pray that taught the holie men of God before tyme. You grant both these but that you would seeme to alter the first question wel then God 's owne spirit that taught theÌ„ to pray without a booke or stinting of wordes teacheth vs so to pray nowe and in the action of praying giueth the mouth to vtter what the heart desireth moved with the same spirit Still then after your long shifting to and fro I trust you will stand to your first wordes that you never read in the Scriptures anie coÌ„maundement for reading of prayers Secondlie to say ouer certeine numbers of words or phrases of the Scripture of custome or affectatioÌ„ without feeling of or asking for our present wantes is hipocresie Therfore I will conclude as I beganne myne Argument standing good that To do any thing in the worship of God werof we have no warraÌ„t of Gods worde is synne But read prayers haue no warrant in Gods Word Ergo. etc. The third Argument We may not in the worship of God receaue anie tradition which bringeth our libertie into bondadge Read praier vpon commandement brought into the publique assemblies is a tradition that bringeth our libertie into bondage Therfore read prayer c. The Minor is thus proved that God hath left it in all mens freedome to pray as the present occasion requireth and the spirit giveth vtterance according to his will Againe no man hath power to commaunde anie thing in the worship of God which God hath not coÌ„maunded etc. Marke 7.7.8.9 Mat. 15. Gal. 5 1. etc. G. Gifford I say it is vngodlie and neere vnto blasphemie to affirme that prescript forme of prayer is a tradition bringing our libertie into bondage c. my reason was is that the Lord by Moses prescribed a forme of blessing c. Nom 6. the Prophetes in the Psalmes have prescribed manie formes of prayer Our Sauiour Christ prescribed a forme of praier c. I. Greenvvood HEre is a greate storme and yet nothing but wynde If you were in Caiâ—has his place you would either have rent your clothes for zeale or els condemne me before you vnderstand what I say Is yt simple dealing do you thinke to say I hold it a bondage breaking our libertie for the Lord by Moses 〈◊〉 Prophetes our Sauiouâ— Christ also to set downe a forme of praier or to prescribe a forme of praier Did you not see that the Minor PropositioÌ„ speaketh of the reading for praing and not of the forme of prayer Agayne of the commandement wher by men are compelled to reade instead of praying Did you not see that these wordes brought in to the publique assemblies did specifye the matter to be mens writtings to be read in the assemblies as a worship yea invocation of Gods name which is a grosse mockery Not that ther is any Commandement to reade ouer those formes of praier mentioned by you for praying and so the CoÌ„mandement so to reade them for praying is an abuse of them and a Commandement of men and not of God etc. But that much more odious yt is to bring in mens writtings into the publique assemblies proved vnlawfull in the first argument and then to commit Idolatrie with them by reading them instead of praying and that to coÌ„pell men by Commandement wher God had set no Commandement 〈◊〉 vse them was a bringing all men into bondage of popish traditions So that your common recitall of these places of Scripture is abuse of them and you do but palinodian canere I thincke if you get St. IHONS gospell about your necke as the Papists you wil thincke you haue religion ynough The more fearful is your Apostacy you proceede from euill to worse G. Gifford About the Commaunding a prescript forme of prayer to be vsed our Church doth agree with all godly Churches yea the reformed Churches haue and do practize the same here therfore I wish the reader to obserue that you Brovvnists do not only condemne the Church of England but all the reformed Churches whatsoeuer and can be no other but Donatistes I. Greenvvod I Trust your madnes will appeare to all men the poyson of Aspes is vnder your tongue he that cannot rule his tongue his Religion is in vayne Shall I in your heaâ—e be pressed with multitude of Churches theÌ„ heare what the Lorde saith Thou shalt not followe a multitude to do euill we have the worde amongst
commaundements of God to sett vp your owne traditioÌ„s And here vpon I demaunded wherupon you would make your stinted and sett prayers You marueile I should be so babling and make such questions you meane about your babling worship You saye of the particulars of the Lordes prayer I demaunde nowe againe whether you can number the starres of heauen or the sandes of the sea if not much lesse theâ— particulars of the Lordes prayer There is medecine and direction of prayer for euerie soule and euerie disease therof to be drawen fourth by doctrine and prayer as the need requireth you would sett a liturgie vpoÌ„ some thinges and compell meÌ„ thervnto euerie meeting which were nothing els but to seale vp the fountaine and send men to the drye pitts of your execrable devises from the whole fountaine to a pitcher of water from the liuely graces of doctrine and prayer to your owne writinges Paul commaunded to pray for Kings and Princes yet bounde no man what wordes to vse The Lord gyve you repentance of such presumptuous sinne as to alter his worship If you caÌ„not knowe the estate of the soule before hand you can make no formes of wordes for yt Read praiers were deuised by Antechrist and maintaine supersâ—ition an Idoll ministery therfore read praiers such stinted service are intollerable c. Antichrist devised manie blasphemous wicked praiers But to say that the reading or following a prescript forme of praier was his is most false for there were Liturgies in the Church of olde before Antichrist was set in his throne c. THe Scripture never inforced to reade praiers for praying nether stinted vâ— what or how manie wordes to vse nether is the formes of praier prescribed in the Scripture anie deuise of man Let vs then hold these two to be the matters in hand the one reading in steade of praying the other stinting and limiting by a written liturgie what and howe â—anie wordes to pray with all other such prescriptions as your liturgie conteyneth All may be affirmed antichristian which is not warranted by Christes worde Yet your liturgie is eueÌ„ from that Antichrist lifted vp into the throne you speake of as may of all men be seene that will coÌ„pare yt with the Portuis And as I haue heard the Pope would haue approued of your liturgie if yt might haue bene receaued in his name Nowe we haue proued in the discourse before that reading for praying hath no warrant from Gods Worde which maketh them two seuerall and divers actions euery where Here then we must consider something for an other liturgie theÌ„ Christes Testament which we shall find to be nothing els then an other gospell And because Mr. Gifford saith ther were liturgies in the Church before Antichrist was lifted vp into his throne which I will not denye I would have all men vnderstand that I do not go about to proue the Church no Church that hath a liturgie as mine Arguments are falslie wrested to that purpose but to proue the vnlawfullnes og such liturgies thrust vpon meÌ„s Consciences is onlie my determination through Gods assistance The worde liturgia signifieth publicum munus ergon Laou the worck of or for the people that is the very execution of the mâ—nisteriall actions in the Church according to the worde of all the officers therof that is the practise of those ministeriall duties prescribed by Christ we may euery where reade In the first of the Gospell of Luke the 23. verse it is said And it came to passe that when the daies of his ministration were past he went home to his house meaning Zacharias where we see the worde Leitourgia for his execution of his ministeriall functioÌ„ Now this Leitourgia of the newe Testament is euen the rule and function prescribed by Christ for the publique actions to be donne in his Church which leiturgie of Christ is perfect and he pronounced accursed that addeth any thing therto or taketh any there from yea all meÌ„ are bound to keep the true patterne therof without alteration or innouating anie part of the same yt is called a commaundemeÌ„t to be kept without spott till the appearing of our Lorde Iesus Christ. Nowe to make an other leiturgie is to lay an other foundation and to make an other Gospell not that ther is an other Gospell but that ther are some willing to peruert the Gospell of Christ. TheÌ„ your leiturgies to which you are sworne and by which you administer being as you cannot denie an other leiturgâ—e theÌ„ Christes TestameÌ„t is plaine an other Gospell for the CanoÌ„s and rules you prescribe and impose are such as he hath not prescribed or commaanded or at the best a transforming of his ordinances Now if you should say you do nothing but make lawes of particular thinges collected froÌ„ the scriptures aÌ„d with that collour impose your liturgies we haue shewed the vnlawfullnes of bringing anie mans writinges as rules into the Church For the explaning of the whole will of Christ so far as is meet for vs he hath giuen vs his officers to administer according to his liturgie by liuely voyce and due executioÌ„ of all things by one rule Making then a newe litourgia you must also make a newe ministerie for Christs ministerie caÌ„not administer after a counterfeit liturgie And that Antichrist was the theif Innouator of this liturgie howsoeuer the thing might be long a working by litle and litle yt is plaine when he is called Antikeimenos that opposite man or laier of an other foundation Now we must not make all liturgies beside the Testament of like wickednes or blasphemie But how neere the most heynousest yours approach let him that answereth the other part of your booke witnesse vnto me Nowe where I said you had confessed that you neuer read in the Scriptures any warrant to reade praiers vnto God you say now I knowe I haue falsified your wordes Surely yt would be knoweÌ„ for I would not willinglie so do your wordes you say were these to your remembrance God neuer commaunded a man to reade praier vpoÌ„ the booke Is not this the same that I saye you confesse ther is no warrant for reading prayer is ther anie thing warranted in his worship that he hath not commaunded Then you aske me if I will gather thus is it not expresse coÌ„maunded therfore yt is not warraÌ„ted No you forgot the worde expressie to help your self to saye and vnsaye I gathered that because you said absolutely it was not coÌ„maunded therfore yt was not warranted Here you come againe to shewe your ignorance in the Scriptures to say ther is not anie expresse commaundement to vse praier before or after doctrine And remember you here will haue it a commaundement and said before you hold yt not of necessitie There vvould sundry inconueniences grovve for vvant of a Liturgie or prescript formes of publique prayers STill I must put you in minde of the wisedome of that gouernour of
of such as he hath appointed to be the mouth of the Congregation vnto him aÌ„d his mouth vnto theÌ„ So that your patched Leitourgie paraphrases songes in rime homelies and al your dead mens writings are cast forth of the publick assemblies and manifest to be Idols when they are thrust into that place Now where I â—â—ledged that the binding of the publick asseÌ„blie yea of all assemblies to certeyne writings of men euerie day and yeare their number and portion of words daylie moÌ„thly and yearely in al asseÌ„blies the same matter and words reiterated in sâ—ead of powring forth their hearts vnto God according to their present needs and occasions was a setting of themselves in Gods seate and taking the office of his Spirit which only knoweth the wantes of the seueral assemblies according to their diuerse occasions he runneth away from the matter as one vnwilling to heare of this their Tautologia and counterâ—et babling demaÌ„ding wheter euerie one should vtter their owne perticular wantes in the publick assemblie or should pray nothing but that euerie one feeleth the present want of in himself or should tell the Minister before hand what euerie one of their wantes were then how the Minister should remember al. Are these any thing but mâ—re cauils can any of these follow vpon the former doctrine And let him looke againe whether he that is the mouth of the Congregation vnto God in publick prayer must not consider the present publick occasions of that publick assemblie and thereafter frame his prayers all the people ioyning in heart to his words of petition or thanksgiuing saying Amen to so much as he asketh according to the wil of God and neede of the time yea and if they haue not feeling in such prayers they are vnfeeling members yet neither doth he intermedle with private or secret waÌ„tes neither neede they tell him them he is sent for the publick affaires of the Church to commend the seueral actions general and publick vnto God And as they are diverse in everie assemblie so must he be a maÌ„ of wisdome to know see and consider them lest they al rashly step into the house of God to offer vp the sacrifie of fooles and make a counterfeit babling Eccle. 4. Yet the sinne of this is nothing comparable to the doâ—ng your Priests cast forth by pratling ouer your English Portuis which the Lord will one day cast in your faces As then in priuate prayer we are to lay forth our owne wantes and estate of our owne soule which cannot be done by reading an other mans writings alwayes singing one song customably repeating in superstition certeine words our hearts neuer ripped vp examined nor the diseases therof layd open vnto God seeking due cure So the man that is the mouth of the whole assemblie prayeth as the mouth of one bodie for al their open publick present wantes and occasions Which occasions considering the persons and actions are diverse and cannot be written for one assemblie before hand muchlesse for all assemblies in a whole kingdome neither by man nor Angel See theÌ„ the mockerye of your service booke and what Idolatrie is committed by yt to the abandoning true prayer according to the present wantes and occasion The next thing to be coÌ„sidered is about making of lawes in the worship of God Where he would persuade vs that their whole Leitourgie conteining al their publick worship gouernmeÌ„t offices and ordinances of their Church be but matters of order and conveniencie Then the compelling and teaching the publick assemblie to reade ouer mens writings both as CanoÌ„s and lawes in the Church aÌ„d publickly aÌ„d priuately to offer them vp in stead of true prayer aÌ„d holy invocatioÌ„ is a matter of comelines and conveniencie In the meane time it must be a turning away of the whole order and ordinaÌ„ces of God For what is the whole Testament of Christ but an order for euerie office person action in the Church if he wil haue it taxis and then must confesse their Leitourgie an other order of publick administratioÌ„ and so as I haue said an other Gospel an other Testament a setting vp an other worship And herevpon I trust I may cal al this an adding to the word of God yea I wil go a litle further an abolishing and disabling and dishonoring of the word yt self and graces of his spirit And whither all this smoke of the bottomlesse pyt may not be reproued with these Scriptures not only Proverb 30. verse 5.6 Deut. 4. verse 32 but also Revel 22. verse 18 19. let the godly ponder and search and let the fearefulnes of the threats deterre all flesh from presuming to alter the ordinances lawes and worship of the most high God And that the verie reading of an other mans writing for my owne prayer or the prayer of the Church in stead of powring foorth our owne hearts is a changing of the whole worship into the making mens writing an Idoll which is by these places condemned as an accursed sinne let the most hard text as he in carnall wonder exclaymeth be looked into Revel 22. verse 18.19 The words are plaine If anie man put or add any thing vnto these or if anie man take away from these words he shal be iudged as followeth Now if the adding an other whole Worship and suppressing of that God hath apointed be not an adding to these things written gyue sentence as you wil answere O saith he but it is said God wil add vnto such al the plagues written in this booke and there is in this booke mentioned the lake of fire As though the lake of fire is not due for euery sinne and yet not euery one that committeth sinne to be condemned what sinne is it that deserueth not the eternall wrath of God yet not euery one that sinneth giueÌ„ ouer to that iudgmeÌ„t for eiâ—her yt may be of ignorance or of negligence and washed away by repentance in the blood of Christ or it may be repented of and lest when wee see yt Mr. Giffard hath read wel the curses of the law and all the curses due for sinne that seeth not how many curses the law and the Prophets pronounced vpon sinne to call the persons themselues to repentance shewing together the equitie of Godâ— law and yet withal the free mercye of God to al that truly repeÌ„t their euil wayes All that receiue the Beastes marke in their hand or forehead are thretned to be cast with the Beast and false Prophet into that lake yet i doubt not but manie that haue bene so seduced into that sinne shal by repentance be saued Not that I encourage anie to continue in such fearful estate to hardeÌ„ their hearts against the threatnings of GOD but that I would haue Maister Giffard to put difference betwene the curse layd to the sinne and condemnation of the person sinning And seeing he taketh that lake a perticular seuere threat to the Apostasie vnder ANTICHRIST I would he had the grace to
betweene proseuche and anagnosis prayer and reading the one being a powring fourth of vowes petitions supplications the other a receaving into the soule of such things as we reade This therfore i leaue to all mens consciences to be considered whether the matter we reade can be said a powring fourt of the heart the whole vse of those divers actions through the whole Bible shew yt cannot Now where I said that you teach men insteade of powring fourth their hearts to help them selves with matter and wordes out of a booke you say I speake fondlie and foolishlie etc. Mine answeare now is yt is well I lyed not if I had said you compell men to reade vpon a booke in all your publique assemblies certaine wordes of your owne writings by number and stint from yeare to yeare and day to day the same instead of powring out their hearts before the Lorde for their present waÌ„ts I had not lyed Now let all men by that which hath bene said consider the grossnes of yt and so the follie remayneth to your self But to help this matter and to deliuer your self conningly in such strayte you saâ— you wish all men to vse the help of the booke that they migt the better powre fourth their hearts vnto God being such as are not throughly able First you graunt here the prayers read vpon the booke is not the powring fourth of the heart but ought to be vsed only as an help wherbie you graunt the whole question and furder all your assemblies haue had no other invocation of Gods name this many yeares but a help to teach theÌ„ to powre fourth their hearts But whether mens writings may be read in the publique assemblies to this vse we shall after make manifest Here yt is graunted but an help and not the powring fourth of the heart And to whom is yt an help to such as are notable to pray Here eyther you must confesse your whole ministerie is vnable to pray or that they transgresse in this high worship of GOD for in an other place you graunt in all your assemblies this reading is vsed of mens writings for prayer thus you may behold your best worship to be nothingh but a help to teach you to pray Where I said that you teach men to fetch the cause of their sorrowing from the booke euen in their tyme of begging at GODS hand you say I speake fondly to call that the cause which is the manifestacion of the cause etc. You here forget your artes Is ther no more cauâ—es then one if yt be the instrumentall cause it is sufficient to prove that if your Mininisters had not their booke they had nothing to aske or els asking that which is in the booke they aske not that wich before was in their owne heartes so not comming heauie loaden they goe emptie away and leave the matter in the booke as they founde yt till the next day and then sing the same songe But true prayer is when the heart is first prepared and moued with the sight of their wants as the child that asketh breade So we should not pray of custome but aske the verie thing wherof our heart feeleth the wantâ—et Your comparison againe betwixt the being stirred vp by a Sermon and stirred vp by reading sheweth that your self will not make the reading the powring fourth of the heart Ther is no question but the exercise of reading is chieflie for instructioÌ„ and encrease of knowledge and meditating is not the same nether can be said to be al the vse of reading though we denie reading to be praying but because we are forbidden conteÌ„tion about wordes and I have offred you as much wrong in saying you denyed reading to be for meditation at all I will proceede to the more necessarie doctrines Also for the controversie of Canonicall and Apocryphall we shall speak in due place Thus say you you have answered nothing at all vnto this Commandement giuen by our saviour Christ to vse that prescript forme of prayer say Our Father c. but by shift cauill c. Here you thinke you haue put me to a plunge your self needed nothing doubt but that I allowed the CoÌ„maundement holie and good and to extend to al Christians as well as to the Apostles namely to vse that prescript forme of prayer as the perfect patterne and direction to all mens true prayers But you I trust will make difference betwixt a forme to all prayers and praying or prayer And here you vehemently vrge me to answeare you before I see you conclude any thing froÌ„ the place and so I should runne into follie to answeare a matter before I heare yt In your first entrance of this discourse you were rounde in your Syllogismes by two at once to wrast my wordes and can find none for yourself Yt seemes your conscience is witnes the matter would not hang togeather And me thinkes you had never more neede to haue shewed what you would drawe from this place Luke 11. seing I either mistooke you last time or els you make a simple collectioÌ„ which was this Christ said to his Disciples when you pray say Our Father c. and not when you meditate say Our Father Now what would you conclude of this except as I said that Christ would not haue them meditate that Scripture But this I perceaue was not your meaninge now I partlie thinke your Argument should be if the sworde were not brokeÌ„ in the sheath thus Christ commaunded his Disciples when they prayde to say Our Father c. therfore to be tyed to reade ouer or say by roate certeine wordes is law full praying For the first that our Sauiour Christ tyed no man or commaunded none to say ouer those verie wordes when they prayde but to pray according to that forme after that maner as Matth. 6. I manifested in my first writing 1. that our Sauiour did not commaunde vs to vse those wordes 2 that Matth. 6. doth not keepe the same wordes nor that number of wordes which Luke 11. doth 3. that he did not say read these wordes when you pray or say these wordes by roate After all which reasoÌ„s slilye passed away in both your answeres you come with your bare affirmation that he commaunded those wordes to be said ouer by roate or reading yea a litle after you say it is false to say that he commaunded not the verie wordes to be said ouer when we pray And you furder conclude that because Christ commaunded his Disciples to say ouer those wordes therfore all mens writings in the forme of praier may be brought into the publique assemblies to be read for praier being agreable to the worde To which I aÌ„swere that seing no maÌ„s writings are without error yt is pernitious and blasphemous doctrine you collect First because you make mens writings of equal autority with the forme of praier which Christ hath prescribed 2 for that you gyue meÌ„ as much liberty and authority to frame and impose their