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A65861 The dipper plung'd, or, Thomas Hicks his feigned dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker, proved, an unchristian forgery consisting of self-contradictions, and abuses against the truth, and people called Quakers : wherein Tho. Hicks hath seconded (though in envy exceeded) his brother Henry Grigg, in his babylonish pamphlet, stiled, Light from the sun of righteousness : howbeit, they have both notoriously contradicted themselves, and each other, as is hereby evinced / by G.W. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1672 (1672) Wing W1923; ESTC R20065 11,473 20

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is an utter insufficiency in this meer Light Within to direct us the Right Way of Worshipping God this is manifest from the Great Loss the Wisest among the Heathen have been and still are under p. 55 56. Answ. Contrary to plain Scripture which saith That which may be Known of God is Manifest in them and even as they liked it not to retain God in their Knowledge he gave them over to a Reprobate Mind Rom. 1.19 20 21 28. and see Rom. 2.10 11 14 15 16. Therefore had those Gentiles truly Obey'd and Follow'd that Light and improved that Knowledge given them of God they had been preserved in his Way and Worship from Reprobation and Idolatry T. H. VI. The Apostles and all True Christians say This Body of Flesh and Bones shall Rise again p. 59 60. Answ. Where do the Apostles say these words in Scripture Let us have plain Scripture Proof or else let him not pretend the Scripture to be his Rule The Apostle's words are Thou Fool thou sowest not that Body that shall be but God giveth a Body as pleaseth him unto every Seed his own or proper Body 1 Cor. 15. vers 35 36 37 38 40 46 47 48. And the Spiritual Glorious Body is not a Carnal or Natural Body any more then the Bodies Celestial are Terrestial I have more to say to this Point elsewhere But T. H. is pleased to pass by my Question with silence which was Whether the Wheat that is grown up in the Ear be the very same that was sown T. H. VII This cannot be meant of a New Created Body because such a Body cannot be said to be either Vile or Changed p. 58. Answ. A strange Inconsistency that they shall not be New Created Bodies and yet the same Carnal or Terrestial Bodies of all how many Thousand soever be dissolved to Dust should rise compleat without a New Creation Man was formed of the Dust of the Earth What must the Dust of Dissolved Bodies be rais'd without Creating a New A strange Confusion and gross Imagination He tells us The Apostles say This Body of Flesh and Bones shall rise again When the Apostle saith Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God Where proves he then that Flesh and Bones without Blood shall But if it cannot be a New Created Body it is not the same Carnal Natural or Terrestial Body of Flesh Blood and B●ne that is given to every Seed as it pleaseth God nor is that Body the Seed spoken of 1 Cor. 15.38 as some of these men have affirmed or that shall inherit his Kingdom but a Spiritual Glorious Body such as is the Heavenly 1 Cor. 15.48 This is a Mystery hid from such Carnal Sensual Men as T. H. who cannot see any Eternal Advantage after Death unless he enjoyes it in this his Carnal Body or Earthly Tabernacle What then shall the Spiritual Existencies or Sanctified Souls reap no Benefit by the Dissolution of the Earthly Tabernacle Or is he of the mind of some of his Brethren that hold the Mortality of the Soul that it Dyeth or Sleepeth in the Dust with the Body and that it remains so till a future Day expected for the raising up of both But we are not of their Mind and Opinion in this but that there is an Immediate Separation made between the Soul and Body upon Dissolution and that the Soul is Immortal being made to subsist in Immortallity by an Unchangeable Power either in a state of Felicity or Misery according to the Image that it did bear in the World But unless you come in the Light to know the Original Life or Seed in the Soul which is Immutable you can neither rightly know your own Souls nor the two contrary Spirits Natures and Images in one of which every man will be found to receive his due Reward So that the Soul of Man is neither God nor Christ the Saviour or Redeemer as falsly it is insinuated as our Principle for we have always distinguished between the Soul and the Saviour of it the Soul being inferior to that Eternal Word or Power that Saves it see my Answer to R. Gourden entituled The Nature of Christianity c. p. 15 16 73. in which T.H. his Cavil and pretended Occasion against us is fully answered and taken off And as Tribulation Anguish will be upon every Soul of Man that doth Evil Rom. 2.9 Isa. 3.9 and God knows how to Reserve the Unjust unto the Day of Judgment to be Punished and the Wicked unto the Day of Destruction So they who truly love the Lord God with all their Souls and continue in the Way of Righteousness shall not only Cease from their Labours and Travels but receive and eternally possess this Advantage even a being ever with the Lord in his Everlasting Kingdom of Glory and Triumph So we are still of the Apostles mind expecting an Eternal Advantage after Desolution For we know that if our Earthly House of this Tabernable were disolved we have a Building of God a House not made with Hands Eternal in the Heavens for in this we groan earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our House which is from Heaven 2 Cor. 5.1 2. For me to Live is Christ and to Dye is Gain Phil. 1.21 Now whereas T. Hicks assumes the Confidence to Justifie his Work against us call'd Quakers as being Conscious to himself that he has not in any thing Mis-represented us p. 78. and that if the Quakers return him that Answer that they are Lyes and Slanders and that he is an Envious and Railing Man he shall not think himself concerned to give any Reply because he is fully satisfied c. p. 90. To this I must tell him Whether he will be pleased to Reply or no he hath shewn himself very guilty of both Lyes and Slanders and hath as plainly acted the Part of an Envious and Railing man as ever any Opposers have done against us wh● profess Religion and there are many Thousands that can witness against him for these his Lyes and Slanders against us among many more as his Accusing us viz. 1. That the Quakers account the Blood of Christ no more then an Vnholy Thing p. 9. 2. That they account the Blood of Christ which was shed no more then the Blood of a Common Thief p. 31. 3. He represents this as the Quakers words viz. That we make use of the Scriptures only to quiet and stop their Clamors that plead for it as their Rule p. 25. 4. That Fox Dewsbury Whitehead Crisp and Penn are exceedingly Corrupt in Morrals p. 43. 5. That the Quakers deny the Resurrection of the Body and all future and distin●t Beings and Existences after Death p. 53 57 62. Because they say That Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God p. 56. see 1 Cor. 15.50 6. That the Quakers Opinion denies any eternal Advantage after Death p. 75. 7. He insinuates That the Quakers chief Motive and
THE Dipper Plung'd OR Thomas Hicks his Feigned Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker Proved An Unchristian Forgery Consisting Of Self-Contradictions and Abuses against the Truth and People called QUAKERS Wherein Tho. Hicks hath Seconded though in Envy Exceeded his Brother Henry Grigg in his Babylonish Pamphlet stiled Light from the Sun of Righteousness Howbeit they have both Notoriously Contradicted themselves and each other as is hereby Evinced BY G. W. Professing Themselves to be Wise they became Fools Rom. 1.22 Printed in the Year 1672. Unprejudiced Reader WHereas T. Hicks reputed an Eminent Brother of Wil. Kiffin's hath lately divulg'd his Pamphlet which we have been Threatned with for a considerable Time before stiled A Dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker his thereby not only Deceitfully feigning himself a Christian but falsly insinuating against the Quakers so called as being no Christians is not so strange or uncouth a Forgery since the Baptists Malice is so high against them as while he is presenting the world with a Quaker with his Method and manner of Reasoning he is only a Quaker of his own making and forming to speak as he pleaseth for his own Corrupt Ends and Advantage those Impertinencies and Falshoods never utter'd by any Real Quaker Tho. Hicks's said Dialogue is a meer Malicious Forgery and Fiction stuff'd with Manifest Slanders and Abuses both against Persons and Principles perverting them and their words In many things Personating the Quakers with his own Ridiculous Falshoods Consequences together with scornful Canting Language and Ridiculous Contradictions and Inconsistencies which surely will add no Credit to the Baptists Cause nor Convict others Whilst he pretends to act a Christian and a Quaker as opposit he Antickly Abuses Christianity and Scoffs at the Light and Life of Religion who when he Scurrilously acts a Quaker he himself is that Nonsensical Quaker who hath designedly forg'd his Dialogue to his own Fancy so as not to puzzle himself with Problemes to be s●ure This Feign'd though Out-side Dipt Christian-Quaker while he feigns his Opposer and frames the Contest hee 'l have it after his own Fashion that he may with Contempt and Insulting deal with all Objections and Questions of his own coyning How deeply soever this man be Outwardly Plung'd hee 's yet Unchristened and all the Water in Thames will not Wash his Defiled Conscience But for these Dippers and Particular Electioners to Revile and Belye their Neighbours in Print in this Time of Liberty is no New or Strange Thing whilst upon their Partial Opinion of Election they believe themselves secure from the Reward of Lyars Rev. 21.8 by their Conceited Personal Election Unchangeably Design'd from Eternity in which they viz. Baptists and their Followers must only be the Sharers if all that Oppose their Dipping be Accurst according to their old Brother Hen. Grigg's Fatal Sentence in his Book against his Sister p. 24. This their partial Conceit of an Eternal Personal Election of Themselves and of but very Few if any besides and Blasphemously Imagining such severe Partiality against God as that from all Eternity he has Particularly Design'd either the Reprobation or Preterition of the Greatest Part of Mankind thereby leaving them to Inevitable Destruction this Sad Sentence is one main Ground of these Men's Inveighing so eagerly against the General Extent of Saving Grace to all Mankind and of their Opposing the Sufficiency of the True Light in all men which God hath freely given them But how Consistent they are in their Work herein I refer to the Impartial Reader to judge of in what ●ollows in Tho. Hicks's own words Collected and Cited out of his said Dialogue and briefly Animadvertized Thomas Hicks his Assertions Contradicted by the same Tho. Hicks himself HE pretends to Query Not to Cavil but to understand the Truth and if Demonstrated to be very willing to Subscribe to it page 2. But in Contradiction he saith All I intend is only th● Conviction and Recovery p. 10. He pretends the Conviction of Others whilst he wants it and is to seek for a Right Understanding for himself Tho. Hicks saith Notwithstanding thy most Diligent Attendance to the Light in thee That which thou call'st the Light in thee hath in many things Mis●guided thee p. 3. Tho. Hicks in Contradiction saith I Appeal to the Light in thee I grant it ought to be Obeyed p. 7. Animadversion See how palpably he Contradicts himself as much as to say It is a Mis-Guiding Light and yet it is such a True Rule as to be Appealed to and Obeyed T. H. That which any of you have said viz. concerning the Light within every man hath been no more then what the Apostle speaks of the Man of Sin 2 Thes. 2.9 and what may as well prove Mahomet to be the True Christ as the Light in you p. 11 12. T. H. Contrad How could you call the Light within Christ if some Scriptures had not mention'd Christ in you and that he is the Life and Light of Men the Scriptures must be your Rule for this pag 22. Anim. Gross Contradiction I●s Blasphemy to Compare Chri●t to th● M●n of ●in or Him or his Life which is the Light of Men to Ma●o●et Th●t 〈◊〉 Ob●y the Commands of the Living Ete●nal Word in us In Answer to this T. Hicks saith It s no other then a meer Mystical Romance p. 10. T. H. Contrad It will be our Wisdom yea our Duty not only to attend to the Light Within c. p. 13. Anim. Thou T. H. hast acted the Prophane Romancer and Irreligious Miscreant against the Light of Christ Within which yet thou art made to confess it in part at least our Duty to attend to it T. H. The Scriptures are the Word of God and the Rule of Faith pag. 17. T. H. Contrad True the Sayings of the Devil and Wicked Men are part of God's History God hath by the Holy Pen-Men given us this Relation of the Words of the Devil and Wicked Men p. 18. Anim. The Word of God and the Words of the Devil are not the same to be sure Christ is the Word the Scriptures are Writings containing words of God and Holy Men. T.H. The Word of God the Scriptures are the Sword of the Spirit p. 18 87. the Rule of Faith and Practice to Obliege your Faith and Practice The Grounds of Faith and Hope p. 19. T. H. Contrad This Rule must be the Will of God Revealed to us for 't is the Will of God which is the Formal Reason of the Obligation The Will of God being the Ground of the Creation of Men and Angels therefore as it is the Ground of their Being it must be the Rule of their Acting p. 31. Anim. But the Scriptures were neither the Ground of the Creation nor of the Being of either Men or Angels but the Eternal Powerful Will and Word of God which Only and Effectually Obligeth the Soul to Him T. H. I will suppose thee to be a Holy Man
The Best Thing in thee cannot be the Rule p. 20. Answ. A Gross Error The Spirit of God can be the Rule both in Power and Living Instruction and that Above the Scriptures for it can both Lead into all Truth and bring forth Living Fruits and Acceptable Duty to God T. H. All things necessary to be Believed and Practiced with Respect to Eternal Life is contained in these Holy Scriptures and in no other Record in the World either without or within Men p. 20. Answ. Yet thou hast confest Christ in you and the Spirit of God p. 21 22. See how thou art in Confusion Christ contains more then the Scriptures for in him are all the Hidden Treasures of Wisdom and Knowledge But this thy Undervaluing Christ and his Light Within and the Spirit 's sufficiency is plainly Contradicted in what follows T. H. Indeed 't is not to be Deny'd but that Man was alwayes under an Obligation of a Rule that God's Soveraignity over him and his Inferiority unto God might be acknowledged p. 31. Answ. By MAN must be understood Mankind in general or else thou Dissemblest If then man was alwayes under such an Obligation God hath afforded that Light or Rule to all Men even to those Nations that have not the Scriptures which is sufficient to Direct them to himself and this Concession destroys much of thy Work T. H. That of God in my Conscience is not sufficient meerly of it self to Direct me in those things needful to be Known Believed and Practiced p. 21. T. H. Contrad Some Scriptures mentioned Christ in you p. 22. Anim. Is not Christ Sufficient What Blasphemous Opposition against Christ is this man guilty of THOMAS HICKS his Variations about the Scriptures and the Rule He varies from the Scriptures being the Rule of Faith and Practice unto Christians p. 17 19. The Grounds of our Faith and Hope p. 19. which the Scriptures do no where assert To the Scriptures being a Rule p. 17 21 24. And then to go round again The Mind of God contain'd therein p. 20. The Will of God manifest in this Written Word p 38 39. And then in Flat Contradiction to the Scriptures being the Rule of Faith he sayes This Rule must be the Will of God which was the Ground of the Creation and Being of Men and Angels p. 31. Reader What Harmony can be found in this Man's Scribling T. H. There is an utter Insufficiency in this meer Light Within to Direct us the Right Way of Worshipping the True God This is manifest from the great Loss that the Wisest amongst the Heathen have been and still are under about this very thing p. 35 36. T.H. Contrad Christ is the Life and Light of Men p. 22. Man was alwayes under the Obligation of a Rule that God's Soveraignity and his Inferiority unto God might be Acknowledged page 31. as before Anim. What thinkst thou Will. Kiffin Doth thy Brother Hicks credit your Cause in these manifest Contradictions One while to charge such utter Insufficiency upon the Light Within another while Christ is the Life and Light of men this I urge the oftener upon him that he and his Brethren may see his Self-contradiction Is not Christ ●ufficient And why must the Wisest of the Heathen be Excluded from the Sufficiency of such an Obligation or Rule as Man was always under Are they No Men and have they no Souls to be Saved or Must they all be Damned for Want of the Scriptures who have them not if they improve so much Light as God hath given them see Acts 10.34 Rom. 2.10 11. This is not yet Answer'd by you Though the Cru●l Partiality that is in your Electionary Opinion appears plainly against the Unive●sal Light or Grace of God to Mankind I cannot but believe that div●●s of the Heathen who were Sincere to God were both more Morral and more Pious and therefore more in the Life of Christianity then many of you Baptist Preachers are Did Christ Dye for all men or Is he a Propitiation for the Sins of the whole World And hath not God afforded that Light or Grace to all that 's able to convey or discover the Vertue of his Blood and Spiritual Effects of his Sacrifice to Mankind How Narrow and Partial are they who Deny this T. H. What Intollerable Pride and Arrogancy have you arived to and all this thy following the Light Within improving it to the Subverting and Annihilating the Covenant of Grace p. 38. H. Grigg I really believe That the Lord Jesus as the Eternal Word hath given Light or Enlightened all Men and Women that come into the World pag. 8. of his Book stiled Light from the Sun Anim. See here how plainly one Brother Contradicts another Can it be less then Blasphemy to judge That following the Light of the Eternal Word doth either produce such Pride Subvert or Annihilate the Covenant of Grace Is not this to make the Light of Christ Oppose Christ T. H. Surely this Light instead of Directing what you do in a way of Subserviency to the Ends of this Covenant doth directly Oppose it is in that so far from being a Sufficient Rule that it ought to be Rejected pag. 38. T. H. Contrad Yet all this is no Disparagement to the Light Within to say That God doth make any thing more known of his Will then is or can be known by this meer Light Within for it is but to say that Each Degree of Light is Serviceable to its End p. 36. Anim. By this then the Difference is only about the Degrees of the Light and not about the Nature and Property of it and then if each Degree be Serviceable to its End as no Doubt it is what Blasphemous Contradiction is it to say That any Degree of this Light of Christ as the Eternal Word either doth directly Oppose this Covenant which is Christ or is to be Rejected Doth the Light of Christ Oppose Christ What thinkest thou William Kiffin Hath not thy Brother Hicks shewn Intollerable Pride Madness and his Gross Darkness against this Light Within Canst not see his Self-Confutation herein Why wouldst thou suffer such a Contradictory Pamphlet as this thy Brother's Dialogue to be divulged H. Grigg The great Darkness of these Men who cry up Light and Power Within this Wile of Satan and Cheat of Antichrist p. 31. T. Hicks Contrad I acknowledge there is something Within that Checks for many Evils and Excites to many Good Things and that I ought to Shun those Evils and do that Good p. 8. Anim. See here again the Contradiction that 's between these two Brothers Can that be a Wile of Satan which thus Checks for Evil and Excites to Good Oh! that these men would Obey it that they might be better composed in their Minds and not remain in this Bedlam frame of spirit for as yet one acts the Bedlam the one while and the other another while T. H. This Light Within directs not our Actions to those Holy