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A81121 Lawles tythe-robbers discovered: who make tythe-revenue a mock-mayntenance, being encouraged thereunto by the defect of law and justice about ministers maintenance; and by the cavills and pretended objections against it. Which defect of law and justice is herein fully discovered, together with the frauds and wrongs occasioned by that defect, that they may be prevented by better laws, and more impartiall justice, now in Parliament-time, wherein remedies have always been most speedy and certain. Herein the many cavills and pretended objections made against tythes, and all setled maintenance of ministers are recited and confuted. Herein also, some motives to the higher powers for speedy relief of ministers, by better laws. Together with some humble proposals of means for the rooting out and preventing of those frauds and wrongs. Imprimature, Edm. Calamy. Culmer, Richard, d. 1662. 1651 (1651) Wing C7480; Thomason E829_18 47,813 43

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Souldiers they are all Officers and therefore are to have a liberall certaine pay 1 Cor. 9.1 Cor. 10.4 1 Tim. 1.8 2 Tim. 2.3 4. chap. 4.7 Answer 3. The Example or judgement of any men in the world is no rule for us to follow without or against the word of God which word how it holds forth if not the necessity yet the lawfulnesse of tythes as the maintenance of Gospel Ministers we have seen before Answer 4 It is not the judgement of all Souldiers many Souldiers are of another judgement men of that Calling Eminent for Wisdom Valour Place and Authority Answer 5 Suppose all Souldiers were against us for doing that which is our duty we are not to sin out of feare of fire or sword he that will save his life shall loose it Feare not them that can kill the body but feare him that can kill both body and soul Cavil 29. I never promised the Priest to pay him therefore I will pay him as litle as I can This cavil hath satisfied the litle conscience of some I have lost many pounds by this suggestion of the devil Answer 1. Right must be done though we never promise to do it The not promising to do the duty doth not justifie the neglect of it every duty of holinesse righreousnesse and sobriety may be excused upon this account I never promised to pay excise custome I never promised not to rob such a man this is a thin cloak for iniquity and covetousnesse Cavil 30. Lands and houses were worth but litle when tythes wer first setled I am content to pay my Tythe-rent after the value of the land when tythes were first setled but now land is worth treble the value Answer Tythes were at first setled absolutely in Fee-simple not with any limitation for time or value of higher or lower prices Cavil 31. The Priest is covetous looks after money loves money tels mony keeps a Rate-booke mindes his tythes Ministers should minde their book and Sermons and God wil provide for them they should trust God c. Answer 1. This accusation of the covetous Tythe-stealer is only to hide his own covetousnesse and iniquity to cry whore first Answ 2. This is a common and falfe flander raised against the best Ministers if they looke after and demand their owne their due presently they are covetous none covetous in the Parish but the Priest for sooth Answer 3. Ministers are not Angels to live without food and rayment they ought to provide for themselves and their families and may do it without covetousnesse or the just imputation of covetousnesse for so doing as other men that are not Preachers when they looke after their rents debts dues c. are not to be accounted covetous therfore The Apostle speaking of Ministers tels us that in the calling and office of the Ministery in the work of the Ministery of the sower going out to sowe the word that sowing is sowing in hope even of temporall things 1 Cor. 9.10 11. Ans 4. Ministers as all other men must trust in God and pray to God and depend upon Gods providence for their daily bread for comfortable subsistence in this world but they ought to use the means not to tempt God by neglect of using the meanes to get their daily bread and to provide for their families Cavill 32 I would pay the Priest justly if he would let me set out his tythe for him by my selfe alone If he would trust me with setting it out but he fares the worse because he is so mistrustful so jealous that he hath his men at our heels all the harvest Answer 1 This is a meer cavil of the fraudulent Tythe-payer to pick a quarrel about this only to have a colour not to set out or carry away any tythe in the presence of those servants that he may leave what tythe he list in their absence Amswer 2. If the Tythe-receivers servants attend not to see the tythe set out the Tythe-payer will be their own carvers in their absence Answer 3 Common justice and reason requires though the law doth not that he whose propriety the tythes are should by himself or his assignes see and know that he hath his own and not be left to the will pleasure of the Tythe-payer to pay him what he list in his absence Answ 4. They that mean honestly will rather desire then refuse or decline winesses to attend them to avoid suspition and contention Cavil 33 I do not believe tythes are due therefore I will pay none This is a usual objection Answer 1 The not-believing that a duty is to be done is no plea for the neglect of that duty but an aggravation of that sin of ommission Answer 2. If men might be free from payments and duties for saying they do not believe they ought to doe it who would then pay anything Saith one God hath not yet set it upon my spirit to pay excize to pray in my family c. Therefore I desire to be excused Answer 3. This is rather wilfulness then not believing they will not believe that tythes are due they will not be perswaded c. Cavil 34 If the Priest would take the tenth childe in the Parish and keepe it I would thinke it equall to pay the tenth the tythe of other things to him Answer 1 God never appointed his Ministers to whom he appointed tythes that they should upon that condition take and keep the tenth childe Answer 2 Gods provision for his Ministers which the Scripture holds forth is for their Livelihood and maintenance not for their hinderance and charge Answer 3 Ministers beare their proportion in parochiall charges for the relief of poor children c. Cavil 35 We have gifted men enough that will preach for nothing that will maintain themselves and therefore we need not pay tythes Answer 1 We have cause to praise God for his gifts in any and we are to pray that all the Lords people were Prophets Answer 2 Some are only pretended gifted men and gifted men in their owne conceipts and of meer bold fancie undertake to preach publiquely as experiēce shews they may have good affections but are not able to divide the word aright but speak only good words matters if they be orthodox but litle or nothing to the text in hand run over 100 theams in a Preachment and that in a dull silly manner I could name divers such yet they are cried up by those of their faction for rare men I have compared the practice of such meetings to the milking of a goat by one into a five and diverse standing about the five and holding it up to receive the milke 3 And these pretended gifted men comming from their shops and trades get some pocket-sermons which they either learne out of printed bookes or have taken in writing at the sermons of Godly able Preachers these Sermons they preach up and down here there being Ambulatory Journey-m●n Vagrant Preachers