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A05338 Englandes bright honour shining through the darke disgrace of Spaines Catholicon. Seruing as a cleare lantherne, to giue light to the whole world, to guide them by; and let them see, the darke and crooked packing, of Spaine, and Spanish practises. Discoursed in most excellent and learned satires, or briefe and memorable notes, in forme of chronicle. Read, but understand; and then iudge.; Satire Menipée de la vertu du Catholicon d'Espagne. English. T. W. (Thomas Wilcox), 1549?-1608, attributed name.; Leroy, Pierre, Canon of Rouen.; T. W., fl. 1573-1595. 1602 (1602) STC 15490; ESTC S104018 162,351 210

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and customes we will not at any hand haue a king by election nor by lot as the zealous and hot men of Ierusalem that chose for their priest a countrie man named Phanias contrary to the good manners and contrarie to the ancient lawes of Iudea In a word Plaine dealing is best wee would that Monsieur the Lieutenant should know that wee acknowledge for our true King and lawfull naturall and soueraigne Lord Henry of Bourbon heretofore King of Nauarre This is he alone who for a thousand good reasons The person power of the King commended we doe acknowledge to bee capable of and able to vphold the state of France and the greatnes of the reputation of Frenchmen he alone that can relieue and lift vs vp from our fall that is able to put the crowne in her first beautie and honor and to giue vs peace It is he alone and no other that can as a natural Hercules borne in France discomfite these hideous monsters that make all France horrible and fearfull to her owne children It is he alone and no other that will roote out these pettie halfe Kings of Bretaigne of Languedoc of Prouence of Lyonnois of Bourgongne and of Champagne that will scatter these Dukes of Normandie of Berrie and Solongne of Reims and of Soissons all these vaine visions shall vanish away at the glorie of his presence when hee shall be set in the throne of his auncestors and in his bed of iustice which waiteth for him in his kingly palace You haue nothing To wit either of trueth or of shew of truth Messieurs nor you Monsieur the Lieutenant haue nothing that ye can obiect against him The Pretext of the Vnckle before the Nephew is taken from you by the death of Monsieur the Cardinall his Vnckle I will not speake of him either by flattery or in slanderous sort A very worthy sentence the one sauoureth a slauish minde the other is proper to the seditious But I can tell you in trueth which thing also you your selues and all those that trauaile in the world will not denie that of all the Princes which France hath set before vs marked with the floure deluce and that appertaine to the crowne yea of all those that desire to come nigh it there is none deserueth so much as hee nor that hath so many royall virtues nor so many aduantages and prerogatiues aboue the common sort of men I will not speake of other mens wants A pretie pretetition but if they themselues were all set out or written in the table appoynted for election and choyse he should bee found by very much the most capable and the most worthie to be chosen One thing indeede hee wanteth which I coulde tell in the eare of some if I listed I will not say it is his different religion from ours which you so much vpbraide him with for in some good measure we knowe No GOD wrought not that work but his owne corruption that God hath touched his heart and that he is willing to be taught and doth alreadie applie himselfe to instruction yea that he hath caused word to be sent to the holy father concerning his very nigh conuersion of which I make such account as if I had alreadie seene it he hath alwaies shewed himselfe to haue such regarde of his promises and to be so religious a keeper of his words But though it were so that he should continue in his opinion Put the hardest the best will saue it self as we say must we therefore put him by his lawfull right of succession to the crowne What lawes what councels what Gospell teacheth vs to dispossesse men of their goods Good reasons why Kings of erronious and corrupt religions are not to be deposed and Kings of their kingdomes for diuersitie of their religions Excommunication stretcheth not but vnto the soules and not vnto mens bodies and goods Innocent the third exalting the most proudely that possibly he could his popelike power said that as God had made two great lights in the firmament to wit the sunne for the day and the moone for the night so hath he made two in the Church the one for mens soules which is the Pope whom he compared to the sunne and the other for mens bodies which is the King Mens bodies enioye outward goods and not their soules The right ende of excommunication excommunication therefore cannot take them away for that is but a medicine for the soule to heale it and to bring it to health and not for to kill it it is not to condemne it but to make it afraide of damnation Some say that men would not feare it if it did not take from them some sensible or worldlie cōmoditie touching this life as for example their goods Absurdities insuing the abuse of excommunication and conuersation or companie keeping with men but if that might haue place they must when they excommunicate a drunkard forbid him wine and strong drinke and when they excommunicate whoremongers they must take from them their wiues or women and forbid the leprous to scratch and rubbe Saint Paul to the Corinthians forbiddeth men to eate and drinke with fornicators backbiters drunkards theeues but yet hee saith not that they must take their goods from them to make them afraide and to drawe them backe from their vices I woulde willingly demaunde when they haue taken the kingdome and the crowne from a King because hee is excommunicate or an heretike whether then they must choose another and put that other in his place for it is not reasonable that the people shoulde remaine without a King as you Messieurs would worthilie indeede prouide for it A question not ●asie to be absolued But if it should so fall out afterwardes that this King being excommunicated and destituted of his estates should come to repentance and be conuerted to the true faith obtaine his absolution either of the same Pope or of another succeeding him as they are very much accustomed to reuoke and vndoe that A girde indeede which their predecessors haue done how could it bee that that poore King spoyled of his kingdome should enter into it againe Those that should bee seized of it and holde it by iust title as three yeares possessors thereof The Duke de Mayn may speake to this would they put themselues from it againe thinke you and yeeld him the places forts treasures armes and ordinances which they withheld These are but the reckonings and accounts of olde doting men neither is there reason nor shew of reason in all of it or in any parte thereof It is long since this axiome or sentence generall was concluded that the Popes haue not any power to iudge of or concerning temporall kingdomes Good authorities And it is long agoe also since S. Bernard saith I reade that the Apostles stoode to be iudged but that they sate and iudged others I neuer reade The