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not beare the iniquitie of the Father neither shall the Father beare the iniquitie of the Sonne but the righteousnes of the righteous shal be vppon him and the wickednesse of the wicked shal be vpon himselfe Father My Sonne as Pithagoras enioyned his Schollers to fiue yeares silence that by hearing him and his more ancient Disciples they might know what and how to speake before they did speake A caueat to youth so the Scripture chargeth youth to be silent the Apostle willeth vs to thinke others better then our selues not rashe like many ignorants both in State and Church striuing to reprooue that which they vnderstand not but be thou most aduised in matters that be too high for thée yet since I am perswaded thou speakest rather to haue instruction then to vse reprehension that thou mightest not as in yeares bee also in vnderstanding a Child 1 Cor. 14.20 know that a man consisting of a bodie which we haue from our Parents Gen. 5.3 Eccles. 12.7 and a Soule which is giuen vs immediately from God is Subiecte both to Corporall or Temporall and to Spirituall Ob. answeared and eternall punishments of which spirituall and eternall punishments thou art to vnderstand that of the Prophet the same soule that sinneth it shall die God punisheth in posteritie the Sonne shall not beare the iniquitie of the Father but for Corporall and Temporall punishments the God of Heauen and earth visiteth the iniquitie of the Father vpon the Children vnto the Third and Fourth generation Exod. 20.5 and iudgeth the house of Ely for euer 1 Sam. 3.13 because his Sonnes ranne into a slaunder and he stayd them not Thus Cham in Chanaan Ioab and Gehezi Gen. 9.25 2. Sam. 3.29 2 Kings 5.27 Math. 27.25 in their posteritie were punished thus the bloud of our Sauiour is vppon the Children of the Iewes vnto this day Thus pray we in the church of England Howe the Church of England praieth that God would not remember the sinnes of our Fore-fathers that the Lord would not remember the sins of our Fore-fathers And thus the Gods on earth haue punished Traitors in their Children and Childrens children Thus Assuerus because Haman desired to destroy Mordocheus the preseruer of the King Ester 16.13 14. and innocent Ester the Partaker of the Kingdome whom when hee had taken away his minde was for to haue layd wait for the king by this meanes to translate the kingdome of the Persians The seueritie of Persia and Macedonia in this point vnto them of Macedonia was not onely hauing béene the second to the King hanged on a Tree of Fiftie Cubittes highe but also his Tenne Sonnes and all his Familie were hanged And the clemencie of the English gouernment Though in detestation of Treason this punishing of the Traitour euen with the death of his posteritie haue béene vsed yet such is the clemencie of our English gouernment that it sparing their liues punisheth them onely in Lands howses goods Offices bloud and honor Yee Oh my Sonne since as the fish swimmeth with the streame as the streame floweth from the spring as stones runne downe the hill as the say ascendeth frō the root to the branches so the loue of parents descēdeth to their childrē Fathers what father though he could not be moued yet where is there one so sencelesse that is not mooued with the losse of his houses with the losse of lands with the losse of his Offices with the losse of his goodes with the losse of his good name with the losse of his libertie with the losse of his life by the imbowling dismembring of his body with the losse of Christian burial by his vnchristian behauiour towards so Christian a Prince yet what father bred of Tigers brood be not and fed with milke of Wolues can bee so stonie hearted as not euer to keepe himselfe loyall to his Prince and contrie least hee vnnaturally most vniustly bring those iust punishments vpon his children and childrens children Traytours so inforcing them if not to accurse yet euen when they are silent to proclaime to all future ages their auncestors disloyal trecheries and treacherous disloialties to their Prince and Countrey Sonne Sir I remember you diuided the punishments of Traitors into punishments inflicted vpon them by man and punishments inflicted vpon them by God remaineth there any more then these you haue alreadie named Father There remaine more then these These are from God Iudgements from god and man vppon Traytors but by the ministerie of men and therefore I called them punishmēts inflicted by men I call the other Gods punishments because they come immediately from God The punishments that are to be inflicted by the ministerie of men men by fauor by policy by power sometime escape but those that God himselfe immediately inflicteth with his owne hand no man can escape Prou. 21.30 for saith Salomon there is no Wisdome Si sera tamen certa From god neither vnderstanding nor counsell against the Lord and these be External Internall or Eternall Sonne So many before and so many more I pray you what be the externall Externall Father Then may we say that God immediately punisheth Traitors externally where either ordinarie means be extraordinarily stirred vp Men. as the people of the land to punish those that conspired against king Amon or by meanes which man cannot vse 2. Kinges 21.24 so for breuitie sake to omit others God himselfe by Ieremie denounceth the nation and kingdome which will not serue the same Nabuchodonozor king of Babel and will not put their neckes vnder the yoke of the King of Babel The same Nation will I visite with the sword Ierem 27.8 Sword Famine Pestilence Leprosie Fierie Serpents Earth Swallowing Confederacy of vnreasonable and senceles creatures 2 Sam. 18.9 and with the famine and with the pestilence vntill I haue wholy giuen them into his handes so punished hee Miriam with leprosie as white as snow the murmuring Israelites with the fierie Serpents Corah Dathan and Abiram with the earthes swallowing of them vp quicke Absolon with his own Mule to draw him and his owne haire and a great thicke Oke to hang him Sonne How doth God punish them internally Father Not to speake of other internall punishments Internall hee punisheth them in conscience A good conscience is saith Salomon a continuall feast Prou. 15.15 Rom. 13.5 but such as wil not obey for cōscience sake such as will not submit themselues for the Lordes sake 1 Pet. 2.13 are by the Lord depriued of this good and tormēted with an euill conscience and that this is a fearefull punishment wee may learne of the Wiseman A fearefull thing is it saith hee when malice is cōdemned Wisd 17.10 by which another saith is more then a Thousand witnesses her owne testimonie and a conscience that is touched doth euer forecast cruell things These be those
Lordes anoynted he is Gods minister If Dauid so reuenged the iniurie that was done to his Ambassador Sam. 1.14 Rom. 13.4 Dauids Iustice 2. Sam. 10.4 cap. 12.30.31 vpon the king of Ammon and all the Ammonites will God suffer will God suffer his Vice-gerent in his owne presence not to bee disfigured but destroyed of a priuate person And the diuine Vengeance especially of a Subiect Is God blind that he cannot sée it Is he improuident that he doth not obserue it Is he vniust that he will not or not omnipotent that hee can of reuenge it The Traitors terrour O when any Traitor thinketh such a thought considering with what a worlde of myracles God hath discouered them his hand should quiuer his head tremble his bodie quake his heart faile and his soule faint and yet need not God worke any myracle for euerie one that hath Dauids authoritie if there heart bee as like Dauids heart as Dauids heart was to Gods heart will presently with Dauid though it bee his Saule that is dead both commaunde his execution 2. Sam. 15.16 His reward to the Amalekite and giue this sentence Thy blood bee vpon thine owne head for thine owne mouth hath testified against thee saying I haue slaine the Lords anointed The third Cable The punishments of the disloyall to Caesar Sonne Since the haynousnesse of the Crime of treason is apparant may it please you to make the punishments of treason apparant Father That there is punishment it appeareth by that of the Apostle they that resist Rom. 23.2 shal receiue to themselues Iudgement of the gréeuousnesse of the Iudgement we may be assured by the hainousnes of the crime And further since the Lawe requireth that Offendours pay life for life eye for eye tooth for tooth Eçclus 21 23 24.25 hand for hand foote for foot burning for burning wound for wound stripe for stripe what wounds what burnings is he to endure that is guiltie of this Crime howe many féete howe many hands howe many eyes how many liues is he worthy to loose who so offendeth those feete of whom so many Thousand féete those hands of whome so many Thousand handes those eyes of whom so many Thousand eyes that life whereon so many Thousand liues depend Because hee hath not so many féete so many handes so many eyes so many liues therefore is he punished of God and punished of man Punished of man in his howse punished in Lands punished in Offices punished in death punished in buriall punished in Name and punished in Posteritie Punished in house In house for so was the house of Haman giuen to Quéene Ester Punished in Landes Esther 8.1 In Landes 2. Sam. 16.3.4 so Siba hauing falsely accused Mephiboseth to Dauid vntill the troth was known had all that was Mephiboseths giuen him by Dauid In Offices Punished in Offices so Abiathar the high Priest though for his fidelitie to Dauid in all his afflictions he had his life spared by Salomon 1. Kings 2.26.27 yet Salomon cast him cut from béeing Priest vnto the Lord. In bodie punished by imprisonment by drawing Punished in body by imprisonment and tortures in life after being drawn on a hurdle from prison to execution to shewe how hee had béene drawne by brutish passions and beastly affections by death By death extraordinarie and that not ordinarie as an ordinarie Malefactor but extradinarie as an extraordinarie Malefactor a Théefe taking goods from any man is hanged but because the Traitor offendeth no common member but the head of the whole Estate and in the head the whole estate being drawen is first hanged for I will omit the more exquisite punishments inflicted vpon Traitours in other Countreys his secrets to shewe hee was most vnworthy to bee begotten or to beget others cut off and throwne into the fire before his face his bellie ripped vp his heart the impure Vessell of pernitious Trecherie rent out thrown into the fire before his face his bodie hauing harboured so wicked a heart hauing béene the Cage of a rebellious spirite as it was in the bodie politique deuided by Treason from the head and other members so now by the Axe it is cut off from the head and deuided into many quarters Sonne How be they punished in buriall Father In buriall or rather by the defect of buriall are they punished Was it not a punishment that was foretolde by Ieremie of Iehoiakim the sonne of Iosiah Ieremie 22.18.19 he shall be buried as an Asse is buried Euen drawne and cast foorth without the walles of Ierusalem But greater is the punishment of traitors in their buriall then was that of Iehoiakim Iehoiakims buriall was the buriall of an Asse the Traitors buriall is worse then the buriall of an Asse an Asse drawne without the gates of Ierusalem and deuoured of dogs or the beasts of the field is soone forgotten but the Traitors bodie though our mercifull Soueraigne dooth herein manie times shew great mercie not drawne without the Gates Iudgement in buriall but fixed vpon the Gates of Ierusalem is not deuoured of the beasts of the fields and forgotten but exposed to the eyes and reserued in the memorie of men that as his perninitious attempts were an euill example to others so his mangled and vnburied lims might be a heedfull and dreadfull caucat to others Sonne In name Wherein are they further punished Father In name a good name saith the royall Preacher is better then good oyntment A good name saith he is to be chosen aboue great riches and louing fauour is aboue siluer and golde but the name of the wicked who so wicked as Rebels and Traitors shall rot rot Well were it for them if there name could so rot that it might vtterly bee extinguished but being putrified it giues a noysome sauor so that as that which Iacob said to Simeon and Leui ye haue So euery Traitors ofspring may say of their Sire Gen. 34.30 Thou hast made me stinke among the inhabitants of the Land What more odious smell to all true English hearts Then the vnhappie memorie of Cade Straw Ket Parrie and others of like deserts though greater estates Sonne Remaines there to the Rebell any further punishment after death but in their buriall and in their name Father To the Rebell there remaineth further punishmēt for though in England they put not to death euery one of the familie as they did in Persia In posteritie Esther 16.18 nor fiue of the Traitors nearest kinsfolke as they did in Macedonia yet euen among vs is the Traitour punished in his posteritie Sonne Since Kinges are Gods Ministers Rom. 13. Deut. 17.19 Obiec against punishment in posteritie and are to read in the word of God all the dayes of their life I greatly maruaile that they punish a Traytor in his posteritie since God himselfe hath sayd the same soule that sinneth it shall die Ezeki 18.20 the sonne shall
that the opening of the Booke will shewe Rom. 2.15 Rom. 8 16. Reuel 20.12 Luke 10.20 that our names are written in Heauen when others wringe their handes for greefe this will make thée clappe thy handes for ioye when others tremble thou shalt triumph This maketh thée to sléepe quietly to wake cheerefully to bee alone without feare and with others without distrust in thy affaires confident in thy recreation comfortable If Rebels be behinde thée and before thée 2. Sam. 10.9 12. as the Ammonits the Aramites were before Ioab and behinde him yet thou wouldest resolue with Ioab bee strong and let vs bee valiant for our people and for the Citties of our God and let the Lord doe that which is good in his eyes Sonne And how eternally Father Eternally when after all thy loyaltie to thy Soueraigne Prince Eternall the Soueraigne of all Princes shall aduance thee into the holy Citie newe Ierusalem was it not sayd of thée by the Psalmist Reuel 21.10 verie excellent things are spoken of thee thou Cittie of God hath not the diuine Aegle Psal 87.3 Reuel 21.10 Matter 18. Streete 21. Splendor 11. the Aegle of diuines saide of thée that thou art pure gould like vnto cleare glasse of thy stréete that it is pure gould as shining glasse of thy shining that it is like vnto a stone most pretious Foundations of the Wall 19. as a Iasper stone cleare as Christall of the foundations of thy wall that they are garnished with all manner of pretious stones of thy twelue gates Gates 12 and 21. that they are twelue pearles of euery gate that it is of one pearle of the keepers of the twelue gates Porters 12. that they are twelue Angels of thy light that it is the glory of God the lambe Light 23. of thy Temple that the Lord God Almightie the Lambe are thy Temple Temple 22. of the puritie of the Inhabitants Puritie of Inhabitants 21.27 that there shall enter into thee no vncleane thinge neither whatsoeuer worketh abhomination or lyes of thy recordes Recordes 20.12 that they bee the Booke of life of thy water that it is not that aqua vitae Water 22.1 or aqua Caelestis that is vsed on earth for bodies but for soules it is a pure Riuer of water of life cleare as Christall proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lambe the soules of them that drinke of this shall liue for euer Tree 2. Of thy trée being in the middest of thy streete and of eyther side of thy Riuer that it is the tree of life that it beareth 12 maner of fruits Fruite ibidem Immunities 3 5. Estate 5. that it giueth fruit euery moneth that the leaues thereof serue to heale the Nations with of thy immunities that there shal be no more curse no night no need of candle nor light of the Sun of the estate of thy inhabitants that they shall liue and raigne for euermore Remember my son who is the founder of Caesar whose ordinance they resist that resist Caesar the iudgemēts they receyue that resist Caesar the rewards of them that obey Caesar God in Caesar For as Moses saith to Israel so I say to thée The Author and in thée to England I call heauen and earth to recorde this day against you His contestation to England Deut. 30 19. that I haue set before you death and life blessing and cursing therefore chuse life that thou and thy seede may liue and with Ieremie But if you will not heare this my soule shall weepe in secrete for your pride and mine eye shall weepe and drop downe teares Sonne Deare Father neither shall heauen nor earth by the grace of the Almightie His protestation Ierem. 13.17 Acts. 2.2 beare record agaynst me neither shall your soule weepe in secret nor your eyes drop downe teares for my Disobedience either in Thought Worde or Deede for more doe not the foure winds purifie the aire then these foure propositions haue purified my heart and I hope that that holy spirit which came downe from heauen with a mightie and rushing wind will enable me to holde my course against the wind and tide of all traitors and therfore as you diuided the breach of allegiance into Thought Word and Deede so I pray you shew me some branches of allegiance that I may the more certainly see what I owe to Caesar Father My sonne for thy memories sake vnderstand Sixe braunches of allegiance 2 Chro. 9.18 that as there were sixe steppes to the throne of Salomon so there be sixe partes of thy dutie to Caesar Sonne Howe I pray you shall I knowe them Father Séest thou the sworde in her hande or caried before her Rom. 13.4 Psal 21.3 Psal 45.6 2. Chron. 9.17 Rom 13.4 1 King 2.15 the Crowne of pure golde vpon her head the Scepter of righteousnesse which she doth sway the magnificent throne whereon she doth sit her person which is the minister of God for thy wealth and the Lord by whom the kingdome came vnto her Sonne Blessed be God I doe see them and God long so blesse me that long I may see them Father The sworde exacteth feare Feare Honour the Crowne importeth honour the Scepter requireth obediēce Obedience Tribute Defence Prayer the throne deserueth tribute the person meriteth defence the Lord commandeth praier Sonne First I beseech you instruct me in the first Father Feare Feare is to be giuen to Caesar so teacheth humanitie so teacheth diuinitie Feare of Princes taught both in Humanitie and Diuinitie For humanitie Periander hee saith Feare Princes For Diuinitie Salomon he saith Feare the Lord and the King If I be a master doth God say where is my feare If I be a maister may the King say Prou. 24.21 Where is my feare Be ye afrayed of the sword saith Iob for the sword will be auenged of wickednesse Malach. 1.6 Feare due to Caesar as to a Father Iob. 19.29 as to an auenger of wickednesse God distinguisheth betweene priuate persons Would any priuate man strike mens hearts with feare Let him know that God hath not giuen the sword of Princes to priuate men Concerning these he said in the law Thou shalt not kill hee decréed before the law Who so sheddeth mans bloud by man shall his bloud be shed affirmed in the Gospell All that take the sword shall perish with the sword confirmed in the Reuelation Exod. 20.13 Gen. 9.6 Math. 26.52 Reuel 13.10 If any man kill with a sword hee must be killed by a sword but of euerie one of those he saith by the Apostle He is the minister of god to take vengeāce on him that doth euil Is he only for a shew Rom. 31 4. and the Prince Prou. 16.14 Prou. 19.12 No saith Salomō the wrath of the King is as the messengers of death And again the kings wrath is like the roring of
follow If among men the seruant obey his Maister the sonne his Father the Wife her Husband If in man the bodie obayeth the soule If all the spheares of Heauen notwithstanding their proper and peculiar motions be circumuolued by the first moueable If the Angels which excell in strength bee obedient to the Commaundementes of God If the Sonne of God who could haue had more then twelue Legions of Angels performed obedience obedience comming into the world Obedience being in the world Obedience going out of the world comming into the world I came downe from Heauen not to doe mine owne will but his which hath sent me being in the world my meate is that I may doe the will of him that sent me and finish his worke going out of the world when his soule was verie heauie euen vnto the death when his sweate was like droppes of bloud trickling downe to the ground when his praier was once and againe and againe Oh my father if it be possible let this cup passe from me neuerthelesse not as I will but as thou wilt Obedience of the law by fulfilling it Obedience of the crosse by suffering it Being compassed with such a cloud of examples The ende of these examples Obey Caesar readyly sincerely generally let vs cast off all impediments and obey all that Caesar commaunds vs. Let vs obey Caesar readylie obey syncerely obey generally obey earnestly Obey readily Dauid did but say to Ahimelech and Abishai who will go downe with me and Abishai said presently Dauid 1 Sam. 26.6 I will goe downe with thee Obey syncerely for that which Saint Paule saith to seruants I may well say to subiects be obedient to them not with eye seruice as men pleasures Col. 3.22 but in singlenes of heart fearing God Obey generally not what likes vs but what pleaseth Caesar to commannd vs for that which the Reubenites Iosua 1.16 and others said to Iosua we must say to Caesar Earnestly all that thou hast commaunded vs we will doe Gen. 31.6 and whether soeuer thou sendest vs wee will goe Obey earnestly as Iacob professed hee hath serued Laban with all his might Philip. 2.8 and as Paule saith of Christ hee became obedient vnto the death To Caesar giue this obedience this obedience thou owest to Caesar Sonne Is not tribute to the throne of Caesar the next dutie which I owe to Caesar Father When I consider that manie times Caesars eye lids doe not slumber that our eyes may safely sleepe Tribute that Caesars sworde cutteth off theeues that Subiects may enioy their goods that Caesars Scepter curbeth Adulterers that wee may kéepe our wiues our daughters our maidens in chastity that Caesars gouernment is our safe-conduct to passe the high wayes wide heathes thicke woods wilde mountaines without danger either to our purses from théeus or our liues from Cut-throats Benefits from Caesar that Caesars royall Nauie at Sea and mightie Forces to Caesars great expences sometimes at home sometimes abroad beat of the Enemie from inuading our Land wasting our Countrey spoyling our goods rifling our Treasure burning our houses sacking our Citties deflouring our Daughters forcing our wiues dashing out the brains of our tender Babes tormenting our selues with cruell death taking away from vs the worde of God which as Elies daughter in law said of the taking of the Arke of God 1. Salm. 4.22 would be the departure of glorie from Israel Mat 12.34 my tongue cannot but out of the aboundance of my heart speake of the Soueraigne minister of God among vs as Saint Paule hath before spoken from God himselfe for the ministers of his Church Equitie 1. Cor. 9.7.8 VVho goeth a warfare at anie time at his owne cost who planteth a Vineyard and eateth not of the fruite thereof or who feedeth a flocke and eateth not of the milke of the flocke If Dauid entering into a serious consideration of Gods benefits bestowed vpon him Psal 16.12 breaketh out into this question Others gratuitie VVhat shall I render vnto the Lord for all his benefites towards me If the Israelites so soone as Iosua had diuided vnto them the Cities which the Lord had giuen them presently gaue Iosua an inheritance a Citie for an inheritance Ios 19.49 50. a Citie which himselfe woulde craue Eccles. 1.7 euen Timnah-serah in mount Ephraim If riuers goe out of the place whence they returne and goe if the earth receyuing seed returneth a crop O my sonne are our hearts like to Dauids heart are not the English more vnthankfull then the Israelites more vnnaturall then the waters more vngratefull then the earth If in consideration of these infinite benefits which they dayly receyue from Caesars throne 2. Cor. 9.7 they be not euer most willing and that with chearefulnesse for as God so surely Gods Vicegerent loueth a chearfull giuer to returne tribute Necessitie of tribute which Cicero calleth the sinewes of war which Vlpianus calleth the sinewes of the common wealth without which there was neuer that any part of the Scripture can show any well ordered state as a pledge of our thankfull hearts to the throne of Caesar The will of God Rom. 13.7 Expressed in his word If thou wilt see what is commaunded the blessed Apostle he sayth Giue to all men their dutie tribute to whom ye owe tribute and that yee may know to whom ye owe it of this especially I call to witnesse Mat. 22.21 Mark 12.17 Luke 20.25 S. Mathew Saint Marke and Saint Luke the Lord Iesus saith Giue to Caesar those things which be Caesars Is any so wicked to detaine this To take from a priuate man it is theft to take from the church it is sacriledge to take or detaine from the Prince it is peculatus robbing of the common treasure The greatnes of their offence Prou. 28.24 who detain it the common treasure to bee imployed to common good He saith Salomon that robbeth his Father and mother and saith it is no transgression is the companion of a man that destroyeth He may any man say that detaineth tribute or other duties from Caesar being the father or mother of his Countrey Examples of God and saith it is no transgression is the companion of a man that destroyeth his Countrey Exod 30.14 Are we so vnreasonable that without examples we yéeld not to reason Before there was any king in Israel to take tribute Dauid the Lord himselfe tooke a tribute when they had kings the flowers of all their kings 2 Sam 20.24 1 Kings 4.6 Salomon requiring it Examples of the people of God Nehemiah 5.4 Of the blessed Virgin had for their tribute a peculier Office Dauid the paterne of deuotion ouer the tribute set Adoram Salomon the myrror of VVisdome placed ouer the tribute Adoniram when they were vnder the kings of the Gentiles there were amongst the people of God that vpon their landes and their vineyards borrowed