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A25220 A vindication of the faithful rebuke to a false report against the rude cavils of the pretended defence Alsop, Vincent, 1629 or 30-1703. 1698 (1698) Wing A2923; ESTC R8101 96,389 154

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we say or however we express our selves our Words must be interpreted to a Sense and Sound clear contrary and contradictory to what they Literally carry One Instance more shall conclude this Subject The Defence p. 76. tells us That one Error embraced by the Remonstrants was The same which his Brother has in his Rebuke that to Dye for Sinners must not be understood as if Christ died loco aut vice ipsorum in their place and stead sed bono tantum but only for their good Now I challenge this false Accuser to produce the Place where I ever denied that Christ died loco nostro vice nostra or whereever I affirmed that Christ dyed only for our good I did indeed say it was impossible that Christ should dye for more than our Good That is that there was nothing beyond this nothing more than this upon the Heart of Christ than the Benefit of those he dyed for even when he offered himself a Sacrifice to Divine Iustice when he made his Soul an offering for Sin when he was wounded for our Transgressions when he bore the Iniquities of us all in his own body on the Tree yet all this Terminated ultimately in our good He was wounded for our Transgressions that by his stripes we might be healed and beyond these spiritual and eternal Benefits our Faith cannot believe our Hope cannot expect I will yet add one more The Rebuke had owned a change of Christ's Person for us that is in our place and stead and to make sure work that no false gloss might be put upon it It was explained from the Bishop of Worcester who calls it a Substitution of one Person Christ's in the room of anothers Ours Now how wretchedly and falsly does this Author represent this p. 35. As the Phrase of a change of Persons between Christ and us is intirely denied There 's one Rapper It was never intirely denied in the Rebuke so A new Phrase is invented and put into its place of a change of Christ's Person That 's another loud Rapper for the exchange of Christ's Person in suffering for us is no new invented Phrase but the Invention of the Holy Ghost who assures us that Christ gave himself a Ransom for us Math. 20. 28. But then he adds a third Interpreting this change of Person into a Socinian Sense As if all we allowed was that the change was in Christ's Person from Ease to Pain whereas what we asserted was a change of Christs Person for us in our stead § 4. 'T is a little pretty Device and he makes much use of it To Vest himself and his Friends with the splendid Titles of the Godly Learned And then to be sure all that oppose their Sentiments must be Ungodly Block-heads Thus when the Pope had arrogated to himself the Title of Infallible he has in that one word determin'd all Controversies for what can be reputed Orthodox which is Condemned by the Infallible Chair The same use the Romanists have made of the Word Church So that whoever detains their pretended rights is a Church-robber and guilty of Sacrilege These Terms our Author has engrossed to himself and party p. 12. Def. These are the Phrases pitcht upon by the Godly Learned p. 17. This is Matter of grief to the Godly Learned among us p. 48. It has been the Practice of some to reject the use of such Phrases as have been pitcht upon by the Godly Learned It would be a great kindness to inform us who these Godly Learned Persons are How we may meet with them Where we may speak with ' em For those Reverend Divines who Composed the Articles of the Church of England those who Compiled the Confessions of Faith at Westminster and at the Savoy have been reputed by us to be Godly and Learned too but not one of these is to be spoken with and which is worse none of these did ever pitch upon these or any of these controverted Phrases but did conceive according to the Light of the Age that they had fully and clearly explicated the Doctrines of Satisfaction and Iustification without these Pen-andInk-horn-Terms but our Author having monopolized Learning and Godliness to his own Party runs away with the Question and they that boggle shall be censured for Prophane and Illiterate Coxcombs and thus has he dealt with his Rebuker § 5. 'T is an useful Piece of Art which yet needs some Application of Mind to discern it That he secretly yields the Thing in Question and then proclaims himself Victorious and Triumphs in his Victory Thus when he has made a hugeous Bluster to justifie his Phrases yet he melts them down at last into that Expression of Christ's Suffering in our place and stead And this we call stealing of a Fall P. 80. Defence he speaks thus Is it not enough that I have shewed that the controverted Phrases are included in the acknowledgment of Christ's making a proper satisfaction to God's Iustice for us Is it not enough No indeed Sir is it not For the Controversie was about the Phrase whether that was proper adequate to the things pretended to be signified by 'em but your Solution speaks to the thing about which we have no Controversie but do zealously contend for tho we dare not with equal Zeal contend for a Phrase that was never delivered to the Saints nor they obliged to contend for it But if it be enough for you to own the Doctrine of Christ's Satisfaction without proving the Phrase it must be enough for us to own the Doctrine tho we should reject the Phrase But again ibid. All these Phrases are virtually owned in sundry Confessions and Synods which have openly owned the Phrase of Christ's Suffering in our stead Why then does he quarrel For if the owning the Confessions be a virtual owning of these Phrases we who have openly owned these Confessions have virtually owned the Phrases and why may not we be Orthodox upon as easie and cheap Terms as himself But yet the Truth is this Phrase A Commutation of Persons between Christ and Sinners is not in my Judgment so much as virtually included in the Phrase of Christ's dying in our stead That which is larger cannot be included in that which is narrower but this phrase A Commutation of Persons between Christ and Sinners is larger wider by one half if I have admeasured right than that of Christ's dying in our stead as I have already made it appear Therefore if we could persuade this Gentleman to wave his fine Phrase and adhere to and be content with that other which he says virtually includes it we should soon adjust all Controversies by resting in the Confessions and Synods but that would utterly spoil the gainful Trade of Doubtful Disputations § 6. It seems 't is a necessary tho' I humbly conceive an Impious Artisice to Depreciate the Sacred Scriptures that he may magnifie his Phrases of Humane Invention And if the Word of God be a perfect Rule of Faith and