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A41562 Christianity vindicated, or, The fundamental truths of the Gospel concerning the person of Christ and redemption through faith in him maintained against the cavils and groundless exceptions of Andrew Robeson and George Keith, Gawen Lawrie and George White-head, who are called by the name Quakers : being a reply to a book published by these men in opposition unto a book intituled A testimony to the true saviour / by Robert Gordon. Gordon, Robert, fl. 1669-1675. 1671 (1671) Wing G1290; ESTC R26773 48,483 56

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he was sent to publish the universal love of God to mankind in a tender of life and salvation to all that believed and followed him the Light in all righteousness To abolish the shadows of the Law To confirm his Doctrine by Miracles and an innocent life and lastly to offer up his body to be crucified by wicked hands as a compleat Captain and perfect Example which is the fullest account of the ends of his coming enumerated by W. P. in his Book Intituled The sandy Foundation pa. 19. Thus shuffling out Him the Son of Man As having laid down his life a ransome for sins and as having offered up his body and shed his blood without the Gates of Jerusalem as the blood of attonement that speaks better things then the blood of Abel and as the one propitiatory sacrifice to take away sins denying him as having already abolished sin slain the enmity in himself so making peace as having made reconciliation purchased justification for remission of sins and obtained Eternal Redemption for sinners That all believers in all generations through this work so finished and perfected by him in his body of flesh might through faith in Him the Son of Man the Attoner receive that attonement for the remission of their sins and as a ground of hope to them after their being dead to be raised again unto life eternal by the resurrection of the dead unto all which the Holy Scriptures expresly Testifie and of all which this man speaks not one word but rather pleads against it agreeable to that Doctrine published among you speaking thus in a Book Intituled Sauls errand to Damascus pa. 8. Christ in his people is the substance of all figures types and shadows fulfilling them in them and setting them free from them But as he is held forth in the Scripture-letter without them and in the flesh without them he is their example or figure which is both one that the same things might be fulfilled in them that was in Christ Jesus But if thou tell me that thou hast mentioned an attonement a sacrifice a propitiation yet I say thou not having spoken of them as only of the Man Christ Jesus or of those ends in relation to us they are made mention of in Scripture may I not therefore account thee one with thy Partner G. W. who in the 12. pa. of his Part plainly expresseth himself in these words That Christ in his outward death was a ransome an attonement an acceptable satisfactory sacrifice to God a propitiation for mankind and to be a living Example through all not only to end the Law and Sacrifices without but to bring the believers beyond and through the ministration of death condemnation and wrath within into peace and union with God But which of all the Prophets or Apostles ever so wrote of a ransome an attonement a propitiation a purchase a price of our Redemption as of a work to be done in us as it was in Christ or that in these Christ was an Example to us that they might over again be effected in us or that Christ was a figure And which of all those Holy Men ever so wrote of a believers being brought through the ministration of death condemnation and wrath after the Example of the Man Christ as he not having already in his body of flesh born all these things for us and by his resurrection from the dead triumphed over all these things that were against us for us And which of all the Apostles so wrote of these things as thou hast done telling us that Christ did somewhat in the outward in order to our justification though our justification was not absolutely wrought thereby Now since in the Holy Scriptures this mystery of faith in the Man Christ Jesus for our Redemption and Salvation as already purchased by his obedience in the body of his flesh is plainly and fully expressed this new coyned mystery of faith in the light in your consciences or within you as it is within you and in every man as he comes into the world as your Saviour and obedience thereunto to be done and perfected in your bodies or within you by his Spirit and after his example as the cause of your justification for the remission of sins and the ground of your hope for eternal Life and salvation of the Soul and whole man I say this Doctrine of yours being another then that of the Apostles cannot take place but in them who having rejected the truth are therefore given up to strong delusions But as having a mind yet further to cavil In the 7. pa. thou argues thus Is not this confusion and contradiction to thy self first to say a man dead in sins unsanctified altogether a child of wrath and yet God is fully attoned perfectly reconciled to them I answer Were it not more honesty in thee to charge the Apostle then me who wrests not but only repeats the Apostles words saying we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son while we were yet enemies thou shouldst therefore clamour against the Apostle thus is not this palpable confusion and contradiction to thy self Paul to say of enemies while yet enemies so unsanctified persons God fully to be reconciled with such even while such dost thou think this clamour of thine will make void the Apostles plain positive assertion and shall we therefore say the Apostle was mistaken and is now corrected by G. K. But that thou mayst appear not so plainly to contradict the Apostle in the beginning of the 13. page thou tells me And though the Apostle saith while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son yet he adds much more shall we be saved by his life I answer Is it any wonder that thou unfaithfully repeats my words to make them speak what I intended not when thou dare do the same with the very Apostles words leaving that part of the sentence out which is most weighty against thee the Apostles words Rom. 5. 10. being these much more being reconciled we shall be saved by his life and what doth this make for thee the Apostle saith that while we were enemies we were reconciled in the time past and he spake truth although thou dares quarrel it as a contradiction and also the Apostle saith being reconciled in the time past we shall be saved by his life in the time to come as to be done although they were already reconciled and from this also thou dissents as I have already proved by thy own words page 16. speaking of the Soul yea and the whole man being saved within although the Apostle spoke truth that being reconciled we shall be saved by his life that as God raised him from the dead and as he now lives and shall die no more we also whom while enemies God reconciled to himself by the death of his Son we who since we believed having received that attonement shall after our bodily death be raised from the
of our confidence the reason why we are invited to be reconciled to God Jesus Christ who knew nosin was made sin for us a work already done and perfected the fruit and consequence whereof is that we might be made the righteousness of God in him Had not the first been done and perfected by Christ without us we had never witnessed the second within us They that sleight and reject the second really neither know nor believe the first they that oppose and reject the first they shut themselves out from the second Now to conclude this matter in the 13. Page as if thou hadst set thy self of purpose to print thy self-contradictions after a great deal of vain jangling thou confessest to the truth in plain words though against thy self and Partners therefore I shall sum up this Doctrine which I have according to the Scriptures affirmed and which thou contrary to the Scriptures hast cavelled against and denied in thy own very words We do willingly acknowledge the full and perfect redemption was in Christ while we were enemies but now since we believed we have received the attonement But I further take notice of thy next words in the 5. Page thus Our justification was not absolutely wrought by Christ as manifest in his body of flesh As if his outward body flesh and blood were the only sacrifice excluding the inward I answer neither do I assert that his flesh and blood was the only sacrifice for his soul was made an offering for sin so that thou shouldst have more fully exprest thy self herein For if thou understands by excluding the inward the inward works of the spirit as wrought within us then with thee Christ in offering up himself a ransome and sacrifice for sin is an imperfect unsufficient propitiation excluding those inward works as if these were a part thereof thou shouldst have spoken more plainly in this matter as doth one W. S. a Teacher among you in his Book Intituled A new Catechisme pa. 64. in these words As the Foundation and Principle of the Quakers We believe that Christ in us doth offer up himself mark that a work yet a doing a living sacrifice unto God for us by which the wrath and justice of God is appeased towards us and that through the Offering and Sacrifice of CHRIST the hand-writing of Ordinances which stood against us is blotted out mark that in the present time as now doing How plainly doth this man set himself to speak another Doctrine then that of the Apostles the sacrifice offered up to God for sin is called by the Apostle one offering once offered and therefore also is called the offering of the body of Jesus Hence the Apostle saith plainly 1 Tim. 2. 5 6. there is one Mediatour between God and Man the Man Christ Jesus mark that the Man Christ Jesus as Son of Man who gave mark that in the time past himself mark that not meekness humility patience or the like in every man but-himself a ransom for all hence Christ the Son of Man was the ransome for all And so it is Ephes 5. 2. Who hath given himself an offering to God for us This man tells us that it is the foundation of the Quakers to believe Christ in us as spiritually manifested in us so not as Son of Man without us doth offer up himself a Sacrifice unto God for us This man saith The hand-writing of Ordinances which stood against us is blotted out as doing in us The Apostle said blotting it out and took it out of the way as done Thus he renders the Foundation and Principle of the Quakers to be another then that of the Apostles And such kind of doctrine doth thy Partner G. W. mention in the 14. and 15. Pag. of his Part in these words That in respect of our being renewed by the Spirit of Christ we are said to be purchased to God and in this sense it is said God hath purchased his Church with his own blood How darkly and confusedly doth this man write It is true by being renewed by the spirit within it comes to be manifest that we are these whom Christ hath purchased but that these works of the spirit wrought in us are the Ransome the Attonement the propitiatory Sacrifice or any part of it or the ground and cause of our being redeemed that I deny as contrary to the Scriptures Testifying the Sacrifice and purchase of our Redemption thereby to be a work done at once by the one offering of the Body of the Man Christ and in this sense it is said God hath purchased a work done and perfected his Church by his own blood whereas G. W. his confused doctrine renders this purchase as a work dayly doing in every generation in many bodies as every man comes to be renewed by the spirit And really this is in effect no less then in a more fine dress of new coyned words a bringing in another unbloody sacrifice like that Rome with this difference that is an offering of a piece of Bread which they say is the Body of Christ this new one is Faith and Patience and the like graces of the Spirit of God which these men say is offered up in us for us to God as a ransome an attonement and purchase of our Redemption Both agreeing in this that there is another offering another sacrifice dayly offered up for sin then that one sacrifice of the Body of the Man Christ Jesus crucified at Jerusalem then and there once offered up to God through the Eternal Spirit for the sins of the whole world In the 6. Pa. thou acknowledges That our salvation and justification hath a necessary respect to the death of Christ in the outward God baving so ordained it Now consider thy words that which our salvation and justification hath a necessary respect unto without the effecting thereof to wit the death of the Man Christ we could never have been saved or justified Now let G. L. and G. W. thy Partners in this work Testifie whether thou hast spoken the truth herein or not G. L. writes thus to me as is afterward mentioned in his Part It is not names and things done abroad but the life within that redeems the soul to God The death of Christ in the outward being a name and thing done abroad doth not saith G. L. redeem the soul to God he allows not but plainly excludes any such necessary respect our Redemption hath to Christs death in the outward G. W. in the 16. pa. of his Part tells me That it is a blasphemous opposing the Omnipotency of God and an undervaluing him as if he were no Saviour to assert any such necessary respect our Redemption hath to the death of Christ especially saith he while R. G. thinks God was so displeased and his wrath so stirred up that it would hold man captive in death unless Christ as Son of Mary should satisfie and answer this wrath and undergo this death Thus as it was said of
through these and such mens fair and high pretences who are really mighty to deceive are apt to be turned aside from the truth as it is in Jesus might discern this mystery of iniquity in its root and tendency so far differing from and contrary unto the Doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles After perusal of this following discourse judge impartially between me and these men according to the Scriptures of truth and that doctrine theirs or mine which is most agreeable thereunto let it be received and let the other for ever be rejected And so farewell R. G. ANDREW ROBESON I Begin with thee as being the first man I meet with of this four-fold combination against a plain Testimony to the true Saviour and thou enters upon this work as if through high swelling words thou couldest at the very first dash overthrow the whole bost of Israel to wit the voices of all the Propbets and Apostles in this matter and being thus puffed up with thy aiery notions and drunk with the conceit of thy own abilities thou reckons another as bewildred and reeling who stands upon that rock against which the powers of darkness cannot prevail and thou in vain kicks The first thing I take notice of is that thou chargest me as fighting against the light of truth and afterward that my words speaking of Christ as having the iniquities of us all in his own body upon the tree verge nigh to blasphemy and that in effect I make Christ as spiritually within us an allegory all which I only mention to let the impartial Reader see how forward thou art to cavil and what little reason thou hast for it from my words The next thing I mark is this thou tellest me that I seem to take it for granted that the Quakers deny that body that suffered at Jerusalem But I do require thee to point to me in what page of my Book thou couldest find any ground to fasten this charge upon me having not so much as mentioned that people in all my Book But thou having forged this thou strengthens it with another of its own kind saying of me That I labour to prove the existence of that body in the day of its service a matter not so much as intended by me but supposing that as a truth already received I asserted in the express words of the Apostle that Jesus Christ of Nazareth a man approved of God among the people was and now is the true Christ and our only Saviour and hence I rejected that Doctrine among whomsoever it was lodged as another then that already delivered by the Apostles to wit that he the God-head only that was manifest in that body of flesh is he the true and only Christ and the light in every man that comes into the world as it is manifest in every man is he the same Christ and so as in him so in every man GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH Thus while thou pretends to be astonished to find me as thou saiest cudgelling down my own shadow thou thy self art not ashamed to be found plainly so doing even then when thou dost forge it against me And next as if thou were got off with flying Colours thou dares me and all men upon earth to prove that ever the Quakers denied the existence of that body in the day of its service My soul hates this deceitful shifting the matter in Question It is very like that you do believe that there was such a man who as Histories mention suffered death at Jerusalem about sixteen hundred years agoe and so do the Turks and Jewes yet seeing thou puts me to it let me ask thee this question What means these and such like words from among you concerning that body how can we tell there was ever such a man we were not then living we have nothing but our faith for it Mark the tendencie of those words however hadst thou dared me to prove that the now-present glorified existence of that bodie that suffered at Jerusalem is denied by some Teachers yea even among that people then I could have told thee and it is commonly delivered as truth among you that they have asserted that Christ hath no other body then his Church what a Monster one head and two bodies nay look over the exceptions of thy partner G. L. against my Testimony and thou wilt there find him plainly confessing this thing asserting that it is contrary to the Scriptures to say of the child born according to the flesh to wit Jesus Christ the Son of Mary whom old Simeon had in his arms there should be no end of his Government for he suffered death so that according to this doctrine the death of the man Christ Jesus who was born of Mary called the Son of man hath put an end to his Government and thence to his now present glorified bodily existence though our Lord himself said of himself even since his being ascended and glorified I am Jesus of Nazareth plainly affirming the now present existence of Jesus of Nazareth the Son of man according to that which he foretold of himself Matth. 24. 30. And they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory Next thou expressest thy self to me in these words I take notice of thy acknowledgment that the manifestation of God in the flesh of Christ was that whereby way might be opened for the ministration of the other mystery Christ within us separating them and making the one subservient to the other and yet after runs against it in the whole Scope of thy work I answer I have not otherwise spoken of these two Gospel-mysteries then as they are testified unto in the holy Scriptures so that I have not divided them but declared of them all along my Book as joyntly concurring together as necessary to us yet in their order not confusedly jumbling them together or making the Gospel-distinction of them appear as opposites and so as contradictory to each other as doth thy partner G. W. But I have distinguished them according to the order and method of the Gospel the first as wrought in Christ our Head for us the last as to be wrought by Christ in us the first as the ground and cause the second as the consequence and effect the first as in the one crucified body of Christ finished and perfected at once by that one attonement and propitiatory Sacrifice once offered for sins without the gates of Jerusalem the second as in our bodies or in us who through faith in him receive that attonement so daily doing and in many bodies till mortalitie be swallowed up of life And that this is the scope and tendencie of my Book is sufficiently manifest only thou hast a mind to pick a quarrel where there is no just ground In the latter end of the 1. Page thou brings in some of my words torn from the sentence they relate to and then thou tells me that it is contrary to
the Scriptures and to my self within a few lines and thus hath thy partners also dealt with me For clearing whereof I refer the Reader to my own words in those places of my Book where they are mentioned as too long here to be repeated And to you as brethren in this iniquity I say might not such as your selves deal so with the Scriptures of Truth with the like out-cry and if so could it be reckoned less then a piece of deceit and it is the same in you to deal so with my words And I leave it with the impartial Reader to be considered whether it be equal dealing among men that while G. W. in the 13. Page of his Part chargeth it upon me as injurious disingenious and false in not giving a true account of the Principles of the Quakers which I undertook not and therefore I did not so much as mention that people that even in that same Book these men should deal so with my words in not giving a true account of what they plainly express though they have of their own accord taken it upon themselves to answer it But what answer can rationally be expected from these men who have not been so honest as to represent faithfully what I really and plainly published in that Testimony The next thing I observe is where thou clamours after this manner what Christ a propitiation for the sins of the whole world past present and to come and yet a generation pleading faith in it and not sheltered from the wrath of the Father thereby what incongruous work is this I answer the one propitiatory sacrifice of the body of Christ is not the less sufficient in it self to have been a propitiation for the sins of the whole world and so to have sheltered even all mankind from the wrath of the Father Gods love and this great propitiation set forth by him was large enough even for this though it prove not so to unbelievers and hypocrites The Apostle spoke truth 1 John 2. 2. of Jesus Christ the righteous he is a propitiation for the sins of the whole world and our Lord also spoke truth of himself John 3. 36. He that believes not the wrath of the Father abides on him and in effect I have expressed no more then what those Scriptures holds forth Hence I say who but one like thy self who dares even call the Scriptures themselves contradictory durst thus boldly reckon this doctrine of Christ and his Apostle incongruous In the end of the 2 Page repeating some of my words thou tels me there is a supposition and question of thy own forming and then presently thou concludes it a doctrine of some others and then thou adds it is a smiting of the Quakers in the dark I answer I did not assert that supposition and question to be a doctrine maintained by some others but I proposed them as necessary consequences of a Doctrine a little before mentioned in that part of my Book to wit of that doctrine which asserts that redemption is not of sinners that delight in sin but of a light or seed within to be raised and redeemed within to which the promise of redemption is which seed is the seed of Abraham to whom the promise is which Jesus Christ takes upon him after the flesh A Doctrine mentioned in a Book often printed and published by and among you called Love to the Lost pa. 46. 47 48. But that which thou dares not meddle with lest thy speech should bewray thee now I offer it to the understanding Reader whether this question may not pertinently be proposed to the maintainters of that Doctrine Is the Seed or Christ within so under condemnation and the Curse that he needs to be redeemed therefrom and if this Seed or Christ be not saved in every man doth it remain in some for ever under condemnation Thy Partner G. K. in the 16. Page answers thus We say indeed that the Seed suffers under fin and is to be raised from under it yet the soul yea and the whole man is also to be saved within but the seed is not for ever under condemnation for though for a time it suffers yet in the time appointed of God it is raised up in all yea in the most ungodly to minister in them wrath without mercy This Doctrine G. K. asserts but it agreeth not with the Scriptures speaking thus That Christ died for sinners the whole need not the Physitian but the sick for a good man one may even dare to die but Christ died for the ungodly By what Scripture can he prove that Christ died for a seed in man which needed redemption which seed is Christ in every man and that Christ suffers under sin in every man and is to be raised from under it for if so he came to redeem himself in every man who never consented to sin so not the man the sinner that was under condemnation and the curse and delighted in sin But consider the words of Isay Isa 53. 6. We all like sheep have gone astray we have turned every one to his own way and the Lord hath laid upon him the iniquity of us all and this Peter testifieth 1. Ep. 2. 24. He who did no sin his own self bare our sins in his own body on the Tree how expresly doth these Scriptures refute that assertion of G. K. neither can he show any Scripture to prove that the man Jesus Christ doth bear our sins but as he did bear them in his crucified body when he suffered for us the just for the unjust of which I shall write more fully in answer to G. K. his part And whereas he saith The Seed is raised in the most ungodly in Gods appointed time to minister wrath in them without mercy he should have expressed himself whether he understands by ungodly men and women and whether this Seed which he calls Christ or this ministration of wrath raised in them without mercy be after their bodily death for if so the worm in Devils and damned persons that never dieth is Christ in them G. K. should prove this confused Doctrine of his by the Scriptures or keep it to himself And since he saith the Soul is also to be saved within and the whole man what an imperfect account doth he express in this matter as if the full and compleat redemption and salvation purchased by Christ and in hope waited for by believers were only a salvation or a being saved from sin within wherein he is reproved by the Apostle Rom. 8. 23. We have the first fruits of the spirit waiting for the redemption of our body we are saved by hope we do wait in patience for it yet these Saints thus waiting for the redemption hoped for already witnessed in measure a being saved from sin within And for him to say the soul is to be saved how doth it agree with the Doctrine published by G. F. in a Book Intituled The great mystery of the great
Whore speaking thus p. 29. 68. 90. and 258. of the soul which is part of man as he is a man nothing else in man being called his soul but what is a part of him that It is infinite in it self more then all the world a part of God of his being and so divine without beginning and ending coming from God and returning to God again the power of God and God doth not change nor his Spirit nor the Soul God doth not change in his being neither doth that which cometh from him Doth a part of God infinite in it self without beginning that changeth not need to be saved And if the soul be such as is here expressed then the end of such mens exhortations and preachings cannot be to gather souls to God because being a part of God without beginning that changeth not it could never nor can never be separate from God and so contrary to that of the Apostles the end of whose Ministry was to beget men and women into the faith and hope of the resurrection of the dead That at the appearing of Jesus Christ they might receive the end of their faith even the salvation of their souls 1 Pet. 1. 9. As for thy charge of siniting the Quakers in the dark I answer if their own consciences accuse them not neither do I only such Preachers as this G. K. doth impose upon them such doctrine how far they do receive it it doth concern them not a little seriously to consider In the conclusion thou tells me That if others had not set my work before me thou might'st have found in thy heart to have dealt with my Book throughout And what thou wouldst have brought forth is sufficiently manifest by the little thou hast published and really if a man may judge of a work by the introduction thereunto thou hast given the Reader a true account of the following Work brought forth by thy Partners who also have produced a piece of work sutable to thy Introduction wherein thou hast made thy self manifest as smiting against the true Saviour the Man Christ Jesus and redemption through faith in him Testified unto by me a work too heavy for thee though rashly undertaken by thee against thy old acquaintance R. G. GEORGE KEITH THou art the next Man I meet with opposing my Testimony and thou pretends in words much higher then the rest telling me That thou finds somewhat in thee from the Lord to answer me in love to my soul But re-examine thy self didst thou ever to this very day in word or writing though thou wast in the same town with me communicate this to me nay verily It is true I saw this answer of thine another way then through thee thou hast therefore either never received any thing from the Lord to answer me in love to my soul and it is but the product of thy own deceived mind fathered upon the Lord as the manner is too too often among you or else thou hast proved rebellious and unfaithful to him that sent thee and most uncharitable to my soul in never delivering it In the Title thou tells me that I have disingeniously represented the Quakers and their Principles and so faith thy Partner G. W. But I say again if their consciences accuse them not neither have I who have not so much as mentioned them and truly I do not find such a plain consistency in those Principles published as theirs by their Teachers or such an unanimous reception of them by every person among them as that I could have undertaken to represent them as the principles of every one among that people But you are herein like those Lawyers who when the Lord reproved the Pharisees said unto him Master thus saying thou reproachest us also and thus it is with you Errours lodged among Turks Jews Arrians Papists Socinians and Ranters cannot be reproved by a Testimony to the Truth as recorded in the Holy Scriptures But necessarily the out-cry must be with you In so saying thou chiefly means the Quakers as if mainly concerned therein though they are not so much as mentioned In the beginning of thy work thou speaks thus to me the youngest child of truth may see thy weakness and confusion What an inconsistency is there between thy words and this work published by you Four against my Testimony why was there such a stir raised about it why was it not left in its own simple weakness without being branded with nick-names of their nature who so named it and why have so many of you joyned together as if it were for your very lives against it yea and forcing it to speak what it intended not And that not by the youngest among you But even by G. W. himself reputed the Second among your Ministry and no he alone but assisted by the Quick-witted A. R. the Learned G. K. and the Wise G. L. In the 5. page thou expressest thy self in these words Though Redemption is wrought within by the Spirit of Christ yet not without respect to Christ even as outwardly born and crucified Here I take notice of thy slighting that great work of mans Redemption as already purchased by Christ for sinners by that one sacrifice of his crucified-body once offered for sins to be made effectual in all such as receive that attonement by the operations of his Spirit within through faith in Him the Attoner Speaking first of a Redemdtion wrought in us by the Spirit as if that were the cause and foundation thereof only adding as something in order thereunto yet not without respect to Christ as outwardly born And this is the Doctrine of thy Partner G. W. in the 9. page of his part in these words See Reader how erroneously he hath excluded the works of God and Christ from within as to ransoming and freeing man from sin and making him righteous so bringing him into unity and friendship with God which is the true sense of redemption justification and reconciliation which are not obtained without the operation of the Spirit of holiness within though Christs Testimony sufferings and example had a tendency thereunto And R. G. would impose on people a faith concerning a redemption reconciliation and justification as being all finished wrought or purchased without them without respect to any work wrought or to be wrought within them by any light or spirit whatsoever That I exclude the operations of the spirit of holiness within from being necessary for bringing the believer into union and friendship with God is falsly charged upon me yea had not passion blinded this man he might have read in my Testimony that I asserted the necessity thereof in order thereunto But that the operations of the spirit of holiness in us are the attonement the propitiatory sacrifice as the ransome price or cause of our redemption and that to be the true sense of redemption that I deny And this man by affirming it plainly contradicts the Scriptures speaking thus of our Lord and the propitiatory
thou denyes the true Christ I shall bring thy own words expresly denying that this light which enlightens every man that comes into the world is Christ and in the 17. page thou adds So John Preached him and so did others I answer thou should rather have added so G. F. Preached him and so have others among us called Quakers and this had been truly said as may be read in that Book already mentioned published by G. F. p. 16 19 20 22 45 47 94 102 279. And in another little Book published by G. F. Intituled A Catechism for Children throughout that Book But how dares thou write so of this holy man John or of any of the Penmen of the holy Scriptures who never so wrote of Christ neither canst thou show me one place of Scripture wherein it is asserted of Christ that the light enlightning every man that comes into the World as it is in every man as he is born of a Woman is he the true Christ and this thou must prove or thou proves nothing but asserts thy own and other mens vain aery notions It is true the Man Christ Jesus said of himself I am the light of the World but this proves not thy notion the light in every man as he comes into the World is he the true Christ Consider the words of Esayas 9. 2. The people that walk in darkness have seen great light they that dwell in the Land of the shadow of death upon them hath the Light shined Compare this with Math. 4. 14 15. And Jesus departed into Galilee and dwelt in Capernaum that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esayas saying the people which sate in darkness saw great light Thus the man Christ Jesus in his Person by his Doctrine and Miracles where he came and abode was a light to them that sate in darkness and hence he said of himself While you have the light believe in the light yet a little while is the light with you I the Son of Man who as long as I am in the World am the light of the World must be lifted up and be glorified with my Father for I go to my Father but I will not leave you comfortless I will send the Comforter unto you who shall receive of mine and shew it unto you he shall glorifie me Hence the Man Christ Jesus being ascended and bodily glorified by the ministration of his Spirit in the children of Faith causeth the light of his glorious Gospel to shine in their hearts And further though it be said Christ is our life in God we live and move and have our being and Christ is all in all and through all wilt thou therefore assert that our life is Christ that the life in all is God that all in us is God This agreeth indeed with that Doctrine published by G. F. in his Book already mentioned Page 91 229. The soul is a part of God of his being divine infinite in it self without beginning that God doth not change nor the Soul and every one turned to the Light they shall see Christ who brings the Soul up to God whereby they come to be one Soul And this is the very root of Rantisme hence concluding the life in man and beast yea in every thing to be God and all to be one God at last denying the real individual existences of Angels Saints Devils or wicked men in eternity and what these notions terminate in is sufficiently known Let us eat and drink for to morrow we shall dye the earthly bodies perish and the Spirit Soul or Life of every thing comes to be all one Soul in God and so God is all in all And although it hath been said by some among you that these termes Christ is the Light and the Light in every man is Christ are convertible termes yet that is apparently fals and deceitful Philosophie for if so then what might be truly and properly spoken of the one might be also so spoken of the other for so it is with all propositions convertible And hence as it was truly and properly spoken of the man Christ our onely Saviour and the true Christ who is the Light of the world that he was born at Bethlehem that he was hanged on a Tree and gave up the Ghost might also be truly and properly spoken of the Light in every man that comes into the world as it is in every man which is most absurd I also acknowledg that it is said 1 John 1 9. of Christ Jesus That was the true Light which 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 illuminat enlighteth every man 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 venientem coming into the world for so it is in the Greek in the present time enlighteth every man coming into the world and thus it agreeth with the purpose in the preceeding verses there was a man sent from God whose name was John he was not that Light but was sent to bear witness of that Light thus testifying not onely of John the Baptist as Lighted by him whom he was sent to point out but that every man coming into the world to bear witness unto him Is also Lighted by him Christ Jesus who is the true Light although it be true that every man that cometh into the world as he is a man born of the seed of man through natural generation is enlined by Jesus Christ as he is the Word that made the World yet the Apostle hath not asserted it in this place of Scripture neither doth he here say that there is a Light in every man or that the enlighting in every man as he cometh into the World as he is a man is He the true Christ and it is a most miserable wresting this Place of Scripture to force it to speak thus that there is a Light in every man as he comes into the world by natural generation as an elect seed in him which is the true Christ and mans onely Saviour and thou hast belyed this Holy man in saying of him that he so preached to wit the Light or enlighting in every man as he comes into the world is He the true Christ In the 14 Pag thou mentions these words But that Law and nature by which the Gentiles did the things contained in the Law thou wilt not have it to be the Law and Nature of Christ but some other thing but what thou tels not I answer I said in the words of the Apostle 2. Rom. that it is the work of the Law written in their hearts and in every man as he cometh into the world whereby they which had not the Law to wit in Tables of Stone did by nature the things contained in the Law these not having the Law were a Law unto themselves It is a Law or enlightning planted in Mans nature by that word which created him a Man and without whch he differeth not from a beast hence it is not improperly called by some that universal reason that is in every
do good to them that hate you a Doctrine first preached by the Prince of peace himself which the Philosophers were ignorant of the practice whereof these preachers among you of this Law in every man to be Christ are yet to learn Now according to what I have thus in plainness asserted according to the Scriptures thy Queries in the 15. pag. are thus answered 1. How could they do the things of the Law but by the divine nature of ●f Christ The Apostle answers thee they did the things of the Law by nature the work of the Law being written in their hearts 2. How could they be excused but by Christ The Apostle answers thee by doing by nature the things contained in the Law their conscience bearing witness or their thoughts accusing or excusing one another 3. How could they be without excuse who disobeyed if they had not a sufficient principle given to perform their obedience which is Christ only I answer Consider some of thy dark confused Doctrine in the 9. pag. thou asserts that the Law or first covenant putteth man upon doing without giving grace which is sufficient to make his works acceptable to God and so man can give no perfect obedience to this Law In this question thou affirms the Law by which the Gentiles did by nature the thngs contained in the Law to be a sufficient Principle given to perform obedience because an insufficient principle had been a sufficient excuse But to thy question I say the work of the Law written in their hearts was a sufficient principle to have shewed them the things contained in the Law thus that which may be known of God being manifest in them God having thus shewed it to them they are left without excuse And whereas thou sayest that principle is only Christ that I deny neither canst thou prove it by the Scriptures but it is the work of the Law written in their hearts 4. How did some of them perfect the Law and were Jews inwardly if not by Christ I answer it is more then the Apostle affirms that any of these Gentiles did perfect the Law only 2 Rom. 26. he saith if the circumcision keep the righteousness of the Law But however the Apostle answers thy question if the circumcision which is by nature fulfil the Law it is by doing by nature those things contained in the Law the work of the Law being written in their hearts 5. How could they clearly see the invisible things of God but by Christ the Son seeing it is said none knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him The Apostle answers thee the invisible things of God are clearly seen by the things that he hath made that of God which is manifest in them even the work of the Law written in their hearts gave them an eye to see his invisible power and God-head to know God and glorifie him as God In the 16. Page thou sayst Is there not a Divine elect Seed in the Saints by which he is formed in them But because here and in other places thou speaks of a seed Christ within that suffers under sin and is to be raised of a justification and righteousness in the elect Seed and that the first Covenant and Law comes before the seed be raised All which as new imagined notions whereof as thou expresseth them there is no mention made in the Scriptures of truth I return back to thy self and shall therefore plainly assert what I find in this matter in the holy Scriptures Hence know that I do own that there is an ingraffted word in the hearts of such to whom the message of reconciliation with God through the promised seed being some way or other according to the good pleasure of God conveyed have not put this Word of God spoken to them far from them but have received it in an honest and good heart keep it and bring forth fruit with patience living and dying in the faith and hope of the resurrection of the dead unto everlasting life through the Man Christ Jesus whom God also raised from the dead the first that should rise as a living demonstration to all Beleevers in all generations that he who was able to raise the Man Christ Jesus from the dead is also after their being dead able to raise their mortal bodies and fashion them like to his glorious body And that this word spoken to them and received and planted in the hearts of Beleevers is the ingrafted word able to save the Soul and that it is and is also called the Seed of the Kingdome sown by the Son of Man which in the children of Faith takes deep root downwards and brings forth fruit upward in their lives and conversations I acknowledge But that the Law or enlightning in every man as he comes into the world is this ingrafted word or that this ingrafted word is in every man as he by natural generation comes into the world as a seed within him that hath received Redemption for him I do deny as not according to the Scriptures As for those words Amos 2. 13. Behold I am pressed under you as a cart is pressed It is such words as is spoken of God Gen. 6. 6. It repented the Lord that he made Man on the Earth and it grieved him at the heart as God is in himself unchangeably the same so this cannot be properly spoken of him neither is it thus to be understood that God in those wicked men repented or was pressed down neither is it so expressed in Scripture But God is said to be grieved for and pressed down under the abominations of the wicked because when through his Prophets and Ministers he witnesseth against and proclaims judgements because of their abominations the word of the Lord through them being rejected in them so sent forth by him he is said to be grieved for and pressed down under their wickedness And this agreeth with the testimony of Stephen 5. Acts 51. 52. where their persecuting the Prophets their betraying and murthering the just one and rejecting the testimony of his chosen witnesses is called a resisting of the Holy Ghost and for those expressions 6. Heb. 6 of some crucifying to themselves the Son of God afresh the Apostle saith not they that crucifie him in himself but to themselves they who have been enlightned by the Holy Ghost if such fall away they crucifie the efficacy of his death to themselves it is impossible to renew them again unto Repentance because rejecting him as the only propitiatory Sacrifice for remission of sins there remaines to them no more sacrifice for sin and so no remission O Consider this and fear before it be too late And concerning that word of faith in the heart 10. Rom the Apostle tells us it is the word of faith which we preach and what it is he tells in the 9. ver if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart