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A64363	Mr. Pulton consider'd in his sincerity, reasonings, authorities, or, A just answer to what he hath hitherto published in his True account, his True and full account of a conference, &c. by the said Tho. Tenison.	Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715.	1687 (1687)	Wing T703; ESTC R241	65,495	114

this without any notice given me or any acknowledgment in either of his Books he besides many other Variations not so material makes in Print this alteration from the MS. he sent me He recounted I know not what Story of some Priest at Rome who pronouncing the words of Consecration was heard to say Bread thou art and Bread thou shalt be Wine thou art c. To what end do you imagine is this Alteration made without giving any notice Is it not that Readers observing first the Words I cite as his and then perusing his Account and finding in it that I tax him with failure in Memory or in Conscience may be induc'd to think I falsifie Some who came to me pleas'd to use the freedom for which I thank them and to ask how this could come about I show'd them the Account in MS. which Mr. Pulton sent me and compar'd it with the Account which he had Printed and they were satisfied about the truth and fullness of his Narrative He had better have left a void space in his Story than have fill'd it with things which should not have been put in But he must not arrogate to himself this Artifice It is an old Invention and I am going about to give a Remarkable Instance of it in the case of the Reverend the Learned and that for which I most esteem him the Pious Dr. Hammond He had cited a Passage out of Mr. White the Leaf was cut out and another pasted in and then the Dr. was charg'd by his Adversary W. S. with falsifying a Quotation I will give you this in Dr. Hammond's own Words both that it may not rest upon my slender Authority and that People may see it without the trouble of buying a great Book not in every hand Dr. Hammond's own Relation entitled A Brief Account of one Suggestion of the Romanist 1 IT is the Statesman's Maxim concerning a false Suggestion That if it be believed but Four and Twenty Hours the Value of it is inestimable which tho it must be allow'd to receive a grand Abatement when it is apply'd to inferiour and less considerable Transactions yet the Interests of Religion in the maintenance of Truth are not so dispisable as that he that hath appear'd or embarked in them can safely neglect the advantages which evil Arts may yield or furnish an Adversary against him 2. Such in Reason and in Experience beyond all others is the Charge of falsifying which if it be but suggested and believed of any and much more if a pregnant and visible Proof of it be tender'd there needs no other Blast or Smut or Vermine to lay waste the whole Field and deprive him of all Harvest of his Seed and Labours 3. How this is my Concernment at this time the Reader will not suddenly divine till I have entertain'd him with a short Relation of that which I had rather my self proclaim on the House-top than leave others to whisper it in Corners 4. I was lately advertised by a Judicious and Reverend Friend that it was particularly urged against me by a Romanist That I had mistaken or perverted Mr. White 's Words which I refer to in The Dispatcher Dispatch't Chap. 3. Sect. 4. p. 279. where I suppose him to answer in his Apology for Tradition p. 56. That the Beatifical Vision of the Saints before the Day of Judgment was not yet held a matter of Faith but only a Theological Conclusion when said he the Apology in that very place had expresly said That this Point is a matter of Faith grounded on Tradition and not a Theological Conclusion 5. That I should be guilty of but of such an Oscitancy or Mistake much more of such a vile perversion as this I may be allow'd to have been as unwilling my self to believe as I am oblig'd to take care that others should not causlesly apprehend it of me Therefore without delay I turn'd first to mine own Words which as I then could not doubt so now I acknowledge to be faithfully related then to Mr. White 's Words in the Page of his Apology whence I had cited them and those I found exactly and to a Letter concordant to my Transcript of them in the Dispatcher Dispatch't 6. For thus I still read if I will not at Noon-day suspect mine own Eyes in that Apologist p. 56. l. 12. For nothing is more clear than that the Validity of Baptism by Hereticks was a Tradition and decided by it So the Beatifical Vision of the Saints before the Day of Iudgment the Spirituality of Angels are not yet held matters of Faith but only Theological Conclusions as likewise the Souls being concreated to the perfecting of the Body What can be more manifest than that in this Period the Beatifical Vision of Saints before the Day of Iudgment is by that Apologist set down as one of the two things to which after a third is subjoin'd of which it is affirm'd in the Plural that they are not yet held matters of Faith but only Theological Conclusions Which was all to a Syllable that I cited from him in that place with this only change that speaking only of one of these the Beatifical Vision c. I set it as it was necessary in the Singular is not yet held a matter of Faith but only a Theological Conclusion 7. That I might be sure not to have mistaken my Author I carefully consulted the Errata but there was none noted relating to that Page And indeed the whole Composure of the Period was such that there must be a concurrence of very many changes in the compass of very few lines more I believe than the most negligent Compositor and Corrector have at any time conspir'd to be guilty of to wrest this Testimony from me or change it into what this Romanist had affirmed it to be 8. Having dispatch'd this account to my Friend from whom I received the former Advertisement I had no cause of doubt but that this affair had received its full Period the Romanist being obliged to yeild to such full uncontrollable Evidence and every man's Eyes to whom the contrary Suggestion could be offered being as well qualify'd as mine to secure him from being misled by it And on these grounds of safety I had no least thought of troubling the Reader with any Account or Complaint which I now see is become some part of my Interest and my Duty 9. For I was soon assured by my Friend that the Words which I had punctually transcribed from my Copy of the Apology were not to be found in that which he had before him but quite transformed into the contrary sense even that for which the Romanist had vouch'd them For thus he found them for nothing is more clear than that the Validity of Baptism by Hereticks was a Tradition and decided by it So the Beatifical Vision of the Saints before the Day of Iudgment The Spirituality of Angels is not yet held a matter of Faith but

the 2d Commandment Scholar Explain I pray you by some Example How it may be possible for our Lords Body to be in so many Hosties as many as are found upon so very many Altars Master It is written in the Life of St. Anthony of Padua That when he was preaching in one of the Cities of Italy he was by means of the Divine Grace at the same time in Portugal and there did another good Work. Now therefore if God could bring it to pass that St. Anthony should be in his own form in two such distinct places at such distance how should it not agree to his Power to effect it that Christ should be in many Hosties under the shew of the same Hosties This is my Story from Bellarmin who forgat to prove it Now Mr. Pulton if he pleaseth may call it Impertinent But here is Catechism for Catechism and Allen for Rodriguez And here is the Cardinal in his Cloyster setling the Doctrine of Transubstantiation with St. Anthony here and St. Anthony there and St. Anthony at the same time in his own figure in both places And here is the Parish Priest settling the matter about Looseness and Relicks with the Tax of Pope Leo and the Probe of St. Germain And if his Doctorship ought not to have told the latter the former might have been let alone by the Cardinal Seeing there are such Tales and they themselves tell them why may not I when I can so pertinently do it be a Rehearser of them Is not their own Angelinus Gazoeus a Teller of Tales And does he not give his Book the Title of Pia Hilaria or Pious Merriments Have not Capgrave Alford Cressey told Tales in abundance Was not the Liber Festivalis read here in Churches in K. Hen. VII time a book of stories Ex. gr It speaks of Adam and Eve standing for Penance in the Water till they were as Green as Glass And whilst one has written the Golden Legend another has taken the freedom to write the Wooden one ACCUS 4. D. T. has like E. S. from whom he has borrowed quoted St. Cyril most DISINGENUOUSLY leaving out that Text which if cited would have left no place of doubting but that he makes for the Roman Catholick Tenet part of it is as follows That which seems Bread is not Bread although to the Taste it appears to be so but is the Body of Christ He that cavils about such a Text has doubtless great humility of soul and notable dispositions of Faith. Note That not one word was quoted out of St. Cyril in the Conference ANSWER Answer This NOTE has a little of the Aequivocator in it He did not cite in Terms at length therefore 't was not produced at the Conference EXCELLENTLY WELL as his word was to me as often as I had answered and he began to reply the plain truth is this he named St. Cyril's Catechism for the proof of his Corporal Presence I did prevent his repeating the words by saying that I knew them and that they needed no Answer from me being answered already at the end of a certain Printed Conference to which he replied that there was a Printed Answer to that Account of the Conference betwixt Mr. S. c. and that he would shew it me now that Famous Answer I could never yet hear of any more than I could hear of the Famous Paper Mr. Pulton promised to print last Monday Seven-night for the clearing the Certificate of Katherine in the Clouds Well but the Answer was borrow'd from E. S. just as a man borrows when he promises you a Citation out of St. Austin and truly cites his words But when I have occasion to borrow I should as soon borrow of the Reverend E. S. as of any man for he has a mighty Stock of good Learning and he is very Communicative I would not so soon go to Mr. P. notwithstanding he has read all Ecclesiastical History he says it himself and he is an Oracle and has Volumes of Notes relating to it But where is my Disingenuity in leaving out words which were not in the place I promised to repeat And what need was there of adding those words The sense of them was enough shew'd in the words produc'd to wit that the Consecrated Bread was no more mere Bread than the Consecrated Water is meer Water And for the disingenuity of the Reverend D. S. if Mr. P. can shew us it it is a new discovery I suppose that this which follows will satisfy the just Reader that the disingenuity is in the Accuser and not in him who is unworthily reflected on To D. T. c. SIR HAVING the Curiosity to turn over Mr. P's Remarks I found my self remark'd upon in his Postscript with wonderful Civility and Kindness of which I thought fit to give you this Account He charges me with most disingenuous leaving out some words of St. Cyril which if cited would have left no place of doubting that he makes for the Catholick Tenet Whereas the Design of that part of the Discourse was to answer this very Quotation of S. Cyril which was urged by M. W. in the Conference His Words are But to Theodoret he would oppose S. Cyril who in his Fourth Myst. Catech. says expressly Tho thou see it to be bread yet believe it is the Flesh and the Blood of the Lord Iesus doubt it not since he hath said This is my Body Our Business was to answer the Testimony produced by them and I do not remember the least omission as to the strength and force of it and those words Mr. P. produces signifie no more than the other unless he thinks the Sense of Tasting more Emphatical than that of Seeing But I suppose his meaning is that there is omitted that Clause That which seems Bread is not Bread altho to the Taste it appears to be so But this is the very same difficulty in Sense which was answered For if tho we see it to be Bread yet we are to believe it to be the Body of Christ then according to him the meaning is though we see it to be bread it is not bread but the body of Christ. To which it was truly answer'd That in this fourth Catech. he bids them not to consider it as meer bread As if a man should break in pieces the Kings Broad Seal and another to aggravate his fault should tell him That which you have broken is not Wax but the Kings Broad Seal would not any one understand this not to be denying it to be truly Wax but that it was something far beyond that by the Impression of the Royal Seal Or as if a Judg setting forth the Crime of a Clipper should tell him that what he clipt was not silver but the Kings Coin who would need an Infallible Interpreter to tell him that by silver he meant common silver If St. Cyril had deliver'd any such Doctrine in any other

common Bread to be the Body of Christ not by an Hypostatical Union but by a Divine Presence and Energy For this seems to me to have been his Opinion viz. That all true Believers were to be made partakers of the Divine Nature by the body and blood of Christ in us and so we become of the same body and blood with him but he never imagined this to be done by the Eucharistical Bread being changed into the substance of Christ's Body in Heaven but that it being changed by the Holy Ghost it was thereby made the Body of Christ which being receiv'd he thought it did not pass into the draught but was distributed through the whole man for the benefit both of Soul and Body This as far as I can judg was his true opinion I am not now to examin whether it were reasonable or not but I think it is evident to any common understanding that this is far enough from the Roman Tenet for which Mr. P. hath so solemnly vouched his Authority But the Greek Fathers were men of finer thoughts than to entertain so gross a notion as that of Transubstantiation which was first started by a Western Monk of no great capacity and was opposed by the men of Wit and Learning at that time One who had been much in the East and suckt in the opinions of the Greeks was the most earnest opposer of it But Ignorance and Superstition prevailing in the Western Church it came by degrees to be owned and received by it especially after the Bishops of Rome concerned themselves in the quarrel against Berengarius From that time the Authority and Infallibility of the Roman Church and Transubstantiation have been so closely united that they cannot part with this though like an Ephialtes it lyes so heavy upon it without giving up the other But as long as Learning and Liberty continued in the Greek Church they were utter strangers to it what Barbarism and a very prevailing Argument among the Modern Greeks may have done as to the receiving Transubstantiation I am not much concerned to enquire But as to the Learned Greek Fathers as far as I can find they knew nothing at all of it They had a notion among them of a real Body of Christ in the Sacrament after Consecration but they still supposed the substance of the Elements to remain as fully appears by that very Discourse M. P. nibbles at but it will break his Teeth to answer it I am unwilling to end my Answer to this charge of most disingenuous dealing about St. Cyril's Testimony without putting him in mind of an extraordinary instance of this kind in a Reverend Father of the Society even before the pretended infallible Head of the Church In the time of Clement the Eighth the Controversie de Auxiliis was carried so high between the Iesuits and Dominicans that the Pope himself resolved to have the hearing of it And the Generals of both Orders were to chuse their Divines and to be present with them Greg. de Valentia was of one side and Father Lemos of the other The Controversie came to a passage of St. Augustine which Greg. de Valentia alledged the other answer'd it was not so in his Book and desired to see that which Greg. de Valentia used he was very unwilling but the Pope commanded him F. Lemos cried out the Text was falsified and desired a third Person might read it and upon reading it it was so found upon which the Pope with a stern look and a dreadful note cried to him Ho! which struck the poor Father into such a consternation that he fell down in a swoon and was taken up half dead and carried out and never more appear'd in any Congregation but was sent away to Naples where he died some Months after This story is very lately printed with evident proofs by Roman Catholicks out of the Original Acts of that Congregation And this I think was most disingenuous dealing with St. Augustin If Mr. P. can find any such dealing among us let him charge it home upon us But I think I have said enough at present for my own Vindication As to his other Charges which concern your self I doubt not but in short time to see a satisfactory Answer from a better hand I am Octob. 12. 1687. Sir Your Faithful Friend and Servant E. S. ACCUS 5. D. T. has without a Text of Scripture for it Published four of Mr Pulton's Letters and very injuriously conceal'd his fifth which was the most material of all containing A. P's clearing himself from the Doctor 's false aspersions whereby he charges A. P. with not having stood to the Agreement ANSWER He needed no Text he gave Mr. Pulton fair warning of it and was not forbidden by him for in these words I wrote to him in my Answer to his Fourth Letter You have my Letters and I yours c. do with them what you please and write what you please further and I will take the like freedom And thus the very great injury is vanished But if that fifth Letter was very injuriously conceal'd why does he not thank me for the publishing of the rest for all of them were as worthy of the light as this I had answer'd before what was material in it his denial of an Agreement and I did not think it worth the while to publish the same things so very often Yet seeing he thinks this Letter very injuriously conceal'd I will make amends for the injury and publish it here and it shall come forth in its original English of write for written and wrighting for writing and all that have an eye can see how material it is The Savoy Octob. 14. 1687. Honoured Sir YOU were pleased to insist again in your last upon my not standing to my agreement I must mind you again that your own conscience is witness all our discourse of WRIGHTING was in reference to the quotation of St. Ambrose and farther carrying on the matter in debate and that no body mentioned a title of giving or not giving an account of the pure matter of fact past However take it as you please I never gave a Copy otherwise then to be WRITE out and that with express order of distributing no copies nor shall you ever produce the man that had one from me or by my order knowlege or consent till I had sent you your's and this I can prove and if you charge me with the contrary it shall be incumbent on you to make it out I return you many thanks for your obliging profer of sending me the first sheet I desire you will not give your self that trouble it will suffice that you send me a Copy of the whole the evening before you publish it if such be your resolutions and I will do the same For your remarks upon the narrative which I here send you at large I leave it to you to send them or not and I will proceed therin as you shall