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A86506 A vindication of baptizing beleevers infants. In some animadversions upon Mr. Tombes his Exercitations about infant baptisme; as also upon his Examen, as touching the antiquities and authors by him alledged or contradicted that concern the same. Humbly submitted to the judgement of all candid Christians, / by Nathanael Homes. Published according to order. Homes, Nathanael, 1599-1678. 1646 (1646) Wing H2578; Thomason E324_1; ESTC R200604 209,591 247

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t._n that_o if_o it_o be_v so_o manifest_a as_o you_o speak_v you_o shall_v find_v nothing_o in_o eusebius_n for_o infant-baptisme_n nor_o in_o ignatius_n nor_o in_o clemen_n alexandrinus_n nor_o in_o athanasius_n nor_o in_o epiphanius_n animadvers_fw-la animadvers_fw-la we_o answer_v 1._o mr._n t._n bring_v but_o one_o place_n out_o of_o one_o origen_n to_o prove_v as_o he_o pretend_v that_o infant-baptisme_n be_v but_o a_o tradition_n we_o bring_v four_o for_o the_o contrary_a justin_n martyr_n irenaeus_n origen_n and_o nazianzen_n and_o yet_o these_o be_v not_o sufficient_a with_o he_o unless_o we_o hear_v ignatius_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n etc._n etc._n say_v so_o too_o 2_o a_o non_fw-la dicto_fw-la and_o non_fw-la factum_fw-la not_o valet_fw-la consequentia_fw-la many_o thing_n have_v be_v do_v in_o the_o church_n which_o those_o author_n may_v not_o mention_v 3_o they_o may_v speak_v of_o infant-baptisme_n in_o some_o of_o their_o work_n which_o long_o since_o be_v lose_v 4_o mr._n t._n say_v that_o you_o shall_v find_v nothing_o in_o eusebius_n ignatius_n etc._n etc._n for_o infant-baptisme_n and_o we_o say_v it_o be_v wonder_v mr._n t._n do_v find_v nothing_o in_o they_o to_o the_o contrary_a in_o his_o 7_o or_o 8_o month_n time_n to_o write_v his_o examen_fw-la which_o we_o not_o have_v much_o above_o 8_o week_n for_o our_o answer_n and_o so_o have_v not_o time_n to_o ransack_v every_o book_n but_o fift_o helvic_n clem._n alexan_n li._n 3._o str●m_fw-la p._n 461._o he_o flourish_v about_o the_o year_n of_o christ_n 193._o buchol_n helvic_n this_o we_o cast_v our_o eye_n upon_o in_o clem._n alexand_n which_o make_v i_o think_v somewhat_o may_v be_v find_v in_o he_o towards_o infant-baptism_n if_o we_o have_v time_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n neither_o do_v god_n divine_a providence_n now_o likewise_o command_v 〈◊〉_d of_o old_a that_o he_o that_o have_v rise_v from_o the_o conjugal_a bed_n shall_v be_v wash_v for_o the_o lord_n do_v not_o 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in_o future_a time_n and_o thence_o wish_v ebion_n not_o to_o imitate_v christ_n in_o circumcision_n of_o himself_o or_o other_o at_o last_o he_o speak_v in_o these_o very_a word_n for_o the_o lord_n say_v epiphanius_n have_v remove_v the_o time_n of_o this_o circumcision_n for_o he_o come_v and_o fulfil_v it_o have_v give_v the_o perfect_a circumcision_n of_o his_o mystery_n and_o that_o not_o in_o one_o member_n only_o but_o in_o the_o whole_a body_n seal_v and_o circumcise_v from_o sin_n and_o save_v not_o one_o only_a part_n of_o the_o people_n that_o be_v man_n only_o but_o also_o all_o the_o people_n of_o christian_n indeed_o sign_v or_o seal_v man_n and_o woman_n and_o liberal_o for_o the_o inheritance_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o not_o in_o exhibit_v the_o seal_n defective_o to_o one_o rank_n or_o state_n virorum_fw-la of_o man_n in_o the_o time_n of_o their_o imbecility_n but_o to_o all_o the_o people_n etc._n etc._n thus_o far_o epiphanius_n write_v there_o of_o infant-baptisme_n and_o i_o be_o confident_a more_o may_v be_v find_v in_o other_o place_n touch_v it_o have_v we_o time_n to_o seek_v though_o epiphanius_n say_v nothing_o of_o it_o as_o mr._n t._n weak_o object_n in_o lib._n 2._o haeres_fw-la 46._o vel_fw-la 47._o in_o his_o disputation_n for_o infant_n inherit_v heaven_n against_o the_o hieracite_n we_o be_v not_o to_o teach_v other_o learned_a man_n what_o to_o speak_v nor_o when_o to_o speak_v nor_o to_o say_v they_o speak_v not_o at_o all_o of_o such_o a_o point_n if_o they_o do_v not_o speak_v where_o and_o when_o we_o expect_v 2._o mr._n t._n object_n against_o the_o greek_a father_n allege_v by_o we_o 6._o examen_fw-la sect._n 6._o and_o in_o they_o against_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o greek_a church_n touch_v infant-baptisme_n thus_o but_o beside_o the_o continuance_n of_o the_o question_n to_o baptize_v person_n and_o answer_v
thus_o 3_o exercit._fw-la sect._n 3_o if_o baptism_n be_v not_o grant_v to_o the_o infant_n of_o believer_n than_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n will_v be_v more_o restrain_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n then_o in_o the_o old_a but_o this_o be_v not_o to_o be_v affirm_v therefore_o baptism_n be_v to_o be_v grant_v to_o infant_n of_o believer_n these_o be_v all_o the_o form_n of_o argument_n from_o gen._n animadvers_fw-la animadvers_fw-la 17.7_o etc._n etc._n as_o mr._n t._n report_n but_o he_o report_v not_o all_o the_o form_n nor_o the_o all_o of_o those_o form_n he_o report_v for_o with_o great_a injury_n to_o these_o three_o argument_n some_o material_a thing_n be_v leave_v out_o of_o every_o one_o of_o they_o by_o mr._n t._n as_o we_o shall_v plain_o declare_v when_o we_o come_v to_o animadvert_v upon_o his_o answer_n to_o they_o mean_a while_n let_v we_o tell_v the_o reader_n that_o there_o be_v other_o form_n of_o argument_n draw_v from_o gen._n 17.7_o etc._n etc._n and_o long_a since_o in_o print_n anabaptist_n see_v mr._n ainsworths_n answer_n to_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o those_o to_o our_o apprehension_n very_o considerable_a and_o to_o be_v put_v in_o the_o first_o place_n in_o this_o dispute_n according_a to_o order_v of_o method_n if_o not_o of_o nature_n too_o therefore_o let_v the_o reader_n that_o ingenuous_o read_v to_o know_v and_o not_o to_o quarrel_v that_o he_o may_v not_o know_v patient_o give_v we_o leave_v to_o set_v they_o down_o and_o brief_o urge_v the_o vigour_n of_o they_o and_o then_o we_o will_v lay_v aside_o all_o to_o give_v he_o those_o short_a note_n we_o have_v to_o mr._n t._n his_o exercitation_n our_o first_o form_n of_o argument_n from_o gen._n 17.7_o etc._n etc._n be_v this_o urge_v by_o mr._n ainsw_n in_o his_o book_n against_o the_o anabaptist_n where_o there_o be_v a_o command_n for_o a_o thing_n never_o remand_v or_o contramand_v there_o the_o thing_n be_v still_o in_o force_n but_o there_o be_v a_o command_n for_o signe_v the_o infant_n of_o a_o believer_n with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n gen._n 17.7.9_o never_o yet_o remand_v or_o contramand_v therefore_o the_o sign_v believer_n child_n with_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n namely_o baptism_n now_o be_v still_o in_o force_n so_o he_o for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o the_o minor_n if_o any_o where_n there_o be_v any_o institution_n of_o baptise_v only_a man_n of_o ripe_a year_n then_o in_o matth._n 28._o but_o not_o there_o as_o we_o shall_v see_v more_o after_o mean_v while_o the_o argument_n hence_o against_o baptise_v of_o believer_n infant_n lie_v not_o 1_o in_o the_o order_n of_o word_n for_o the_o order_n be_v invert_v and_o contrary_a mar._n 1.4_o 2_o not_o in_o the_o affirmativenesse_n one_o affirmative_a without_o a_o determinate_a word_n express_v do_v not_o take_v off_o another_o affirmative_a 3_o the_o universal_a term_n can_v note_v the_o subject_n of_o baptism_n viz._n all_o nation_n for_o then_o all_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d will_v answer_v in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o well_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o answer_v to_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d observe_v that_o nation_n here_o mention_v well_o answer_v to_o nation_n gen._n 17._o explain_v rom._n 4._o gal._n 3._o that_o as_o infant_n of_o believe_a abraham_n be_v to_o be_v circumcise_v so_o the_o infant_n of_o believe_a gentile_n to_o be_v baptize_v 4_o not_o the_o greek_a word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d as_o if_o that_o must_v needs_o signify_v make_v disciple_n for_o 1_o its_o unlikely_a that_o so_o great_a a_o controversy_n as_o the_o anabap_n make_v of_o the_o subject_a of_o baptism_n shall_v have_v no_o clear_a a_o institution_n than_o a_o gr._n criticism_n of_o take_v one_o sense_n of_o a_o word_n that_o be_v take_v divers_a way_n for_o significat_fw-la &_o docere_fw-la in_o mat._n 28._o legh_n crit._n s._n novar_n in_o mat._n 28.20_o aliquando_fw-la est_fw-la verbum_fw-la transit_fw-la pro_fw-la docere_fw-la ut_fw-la mat._n 28._o whitak_n descript_n the_o great_a arias_n render_v it_o only_o docete_fw-la teach_v so_o the_o renown_a vatablus_n so_o the_o syr●_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o arab._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o many_o other_o which_o for_o brevity_n we_o omit_v 2_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v in_o v._o 19_o so_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d v._n 20._o therefore_o most_o likely_a in_o v._o 19_o it_o signify_v only_o a_o general_a teach_n and_o so_o the_o great_a critic_n &_o learned_a man_n in_o gr._n tongue_n that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v to_o teach_v they_o that_o be_v stranger_n to_o doctrine_n that_o they_o may_v become_v disciple_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o teach_v they_o that_o be_v disciple_n so_o that_o here_o in_o v._o 19_o be_v not_o mean_v a_o exact_a complete_a platform_n of_o christ_n commission_n to_o the_o apostle_n for_o here_o be_v no_o mention_n of_o the_o 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