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A48461 A treatise of particular predestination vvherein ar[e] answered three letters. 1. Tending to disprove particular predestination. 2. To shew the contradiction betwixt Christ dying for all, and Gods election of some. 3. To prove that the soule doth not come from the parent, and consequently that there is no originall sinne. By Thomas Lamb. Lamb, Thomas, d. 1686. 1642 (1642) Wing L212A; ESTC R216650 13,022 22

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what g●●●●ing w●●● there bee 〈◊〉 of soule 〈◊〉 body wh●●●●s on the other side if you conjoyn 〈◊〉 together in the ge●i●●● wh●● should hinder but that there should be the same conjunction 〈◊〉 g●neration 〈◊〉 thing gendered 〈◊〉 ●●ing to the 〈…〉 command of God to every creature gendering that they should goe forth multiply according to their kind not a part but the whole of their kind such as they themselves are you alledge Zach. 12.1 which saith God formeth the Spirit of a man and so he doth the body too Iob. 31.15 and the body of the corne also 1 Cor. 15.36 37 38. But this hindereth not but that he useth the meanes which hee hath appointed in nature for the effecting of these formes for it is plaine that they are all naturall formes and essentiall to the nature of the creature formed so man soule and body both parts are essentiall to his nature and effected by meanes of man whose nature it is you alledge Psal 33.15 Hee fashioneth their hearts every one of them which is to bee understood of Providence whereby he ordereth their hearts in their severall operations and affections and nothing pertinent to creation or infusion of soules As for Heb. 12.9 I shewed that the Apostle cals God the Father of Spirits in respect of his absolute authority over them secondly in communicating grace and goodnesse to them you say you can see no reason to take it so and why you say he opposeth the soule to the body this I grant but whereas you say he opposeth the fountaine of the one to the fountaine of the other that remaines yet for you to prove that hee opposeth the fatherhood of the one to the fatherhood of the other cannot be denied but that by fatherhood should be meant fountaine cannot be clearly concluded in respect of the essence of soule and body unlesse you meane by fountaine author of the spirituall life of grace and salvation communicated to the soule by the Gospell of God as Iam. 1.18 1 Pet. 1.23 for to speak as the thing is it's Grace communicated which gives the soule its true being for before the soule is dead in trespasses but grace makes it alive and God by communicating the same grace by which the soule lives is cal'd the Father of Spirits or spirituall Father opposed to our naturall Father of whom wee are carnally begotten and borne and the Apostle would have the beleeving Hebrewes to submit themselves unto his chasticements who as he is the Author of our spiritual life so is he the preserver of the same spirituall life useth the same for their profit and life as he doth expresse himselfe and therefore seeing you have submitted your selves to your naturall Father much more should you submit your selves to this spirituall Father for your profit and spirituall benefit that you might be partakers of his holinesse You say if the soule comes by generation then there must be a conjunction of Spirits at the same time as is of bodies and this you deny Ergo. To this I answer that bodies of mankind abstracted from their spirits have no conjunction you say if soules of Parents begets the soules of the children then a learned man must beget a learned child and a gracious man a gracious child as well as a sinfull man a sinfull child seeing learning grace and sin are all accidents having a being in the man not being with the man for a man say you may be a perfect man as Adam was without them First I deny the consequence which is if a soule begets a soule then a learned man must beget a learned child and so of grace as well as of sin beca●se if the soule doe beget a soule it is to bee supposed that it begets such a soule in likenes as it was in natures being and not such a one as it was by art or gift but learning is artificiall and grace is of gift but sin is naturall for it is the corruption of nature and did enter in●o the world by one man over all men Rom. 5.12 and therefore wee are by nature the children of wrath Ephes 2.3 and not by accident Secondly I answer to the antecedent that the soule doth not beget the soule but the person soule and body doth beget the person soule and body and such as is the person begetting in his nature such is the person begotten And whereas you say all persons are free from sin till they commit actions of sinne and thereby onely doe become in bondage to it to which you alledge Ioh. 8. which place doth more directly shew the person that is in bondage than the thing which brings him into bondage as if he should say hee that committeth sinne doth plainely declare himselfe serviceable and subject thereunto Romans 6.12 and whereas you say a present bondage presupposeth a former freedom this is not denyed so as you have respect to Adam who was created good and so free from sin till he fell from that state into sin into which he brought all his posterity together with himselfe Rom. 5.12 otherwayes there are many of the sonnes of Adam which should need no redemption by Christ if they be free from sinne in themselves and besides as it overthrowes Christs dying for all so I see not why they should not continue free by a carefull use of their power they have in nature even in keeping the Law and so consequently be saved thereby which is the opinion of divers and then should Christ die in vaine and to no purpose at all Gal. 2.21 and by the same reason one may all may nay if there had been a Law which could have given life surely r●ghteousnes should have beene by that Law Gal. 22. but the Scripture hath concluded all de●●●r sin therefore since the fill of Adam free from sinne no otherwise then by 〈◊〉 faith in Christ and so I 〈…〉 questions That all m●n have as much benefit 〈…〉 without 〈…〉 Adam 〈◊〉 and death 〈…〉 as all die in Adam 1 Cor. 15.21 22. To which I say all have not to much benefit 〈◊〉 Christs resurrection 〈…〉 their actuall Faith as they have 〈…〉 death by Adams sin or death without actuall sinne because ●hey 〈◊〉 have naturall union with Adam without their actuall sinne but none have spirituall union with Christ without actuall Faith or I had ra●her say personall Faith because I conceive faith may bee potentiall as well as actuall as for the Scripture 1 Cor. 15.21 22. by which you back your question I conceive it is by you mistaken very much because you gather from thence that all men have benefit by Christs resurrection without their personall faith which I conceive is not the mind of Paul but onely to shew that Christ was the head or first fruits whose resurrection is both the beginning and also a sure pledg of the resurrection of his body or whole lump that have being in him by faith ver 18. and have his spirit in them Rom 8.10.11 Christ by his Spirit quickens their mortall bodie● the certainty whereof makes them debters to live after the spirit ver 12 And Christ in foure severall places in Ioh. 6. speaks of this matter as of a speciall benefit belonging to the faithfull 1 in ver 39. 2d in v. 40. 3d. in ver 44. 4d in ver 54. It is true the wicked also shall rise but not as a benefit from Christs resurrection in or unto which they have no relation but by an effect of his glorious power to their utter confusion and condemnation Ioh. 5.19 ●est And whereas you aske how Christ restores all things from the bondage of corruption I conceive by a●l things you will understand a limitation in relation to the univers● ●●s or else I will ask you whether wicked persons be not things and whether those things bee restored from the bondage of corruption by Christ therefor by all things must be meant a●l the faithfull and all things in relation to them for their happinesse Your last qu●st●●n is whether Christ the righteous Jud●● wil judge by the law given to Adam before the f●● or by the Gospel af●er or by both by both ●s for the law given to Adam before he sinned is it which he sinned against thereof it comes that man hath need of a Gospell or glad t●dings of grace and mercy which grace and mercy if it bee received it delivers from the curse of the Law if it bee not received hee lies under the curs● of the Law still and under the refusall grace also according a● the meanes of making ●●owne this grace hath been aforded FINIS