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A71250	A second defence of the exposition of the doctrine of the Church of England against the new exceptions of Monsieur de Meaux, Late Bishop of Condom, and his vindicator, the first part, in which the account that has been given of the Bishop of Meaux's Exposition, is fully vindicated ...	Wake, William, 1657-1737.	1687 (1687)	Wing W260; ESTC R4642	179,775	220

to a Jupiter or an Apollo that never lived in the World as to a St. George or a St. Christopher that never had any more being in it than they And yet were we now to inquire into these Circumstances without a full knowledg of which this Invocation can never be a reasonable service what uncertain accounts should we receive from you For In his suppress'd Edition Expos of Mr. de Meaux Sect. IV. p. 7. 127. First As to the main foundation of all Whether the Saints hear your prayers In what doubt is your Bishop of Meaux still in his Exposition and you know he was once in a great deall more All he has to say is that you teach That your prayers to the Saints are very profitable Whether it be that they know them by the Ministry and Communication of the Angels or whether it be that God himself makes known to them our desires by a particular Revelation or whether it be that he discovers the secret to them in his Divine Essence in which all truth is Comprised If we enquire of your more Ancient Authors we shall find all full of Uncertainty Lombard sent lib. IV. dist 45. Scotus ibid. Qu. 4. Gabr. Biel. in Can. Miss l. 31. Lombard thought it was not incredible to suppose that the Saints might know the prayers that were addressed to them Scotus went a little farther and judged it to be probable that God revealed these things to them And so did Gabriel Biel. Those who pretend to more certainty yet are able to give but very little reason why * Bellarm. de Eccles Triumph l. 1. cap. 20. unless you will take this for a reason that their Church generally belives so and that otherwise it would be vain and absur'd to pray to them In short how the Saints hear your prayers you do not pretend to know and I desire you to give Me but one rational Argument to convince me that by whatever means it is they do ordinarily and constantly and certainly and particularly understand the Addresses that you make to them For to deal freely with you I never yet met with any thing that but inclined me to believe this but much to the contrary 128. Secondly Concerning the Canonization of your Saints may I beg leave to ask you Are you sure that all those whom your Church has placed in Heaven are truly there if you are not I am sure you do very unreasonably to pray to them Now this I the rather desire to be satisfied in because here again I find your Authors very much unresolved what to say Bellarm. l. 1. de Beat. SS e. 8. 9. Vasquez l 1. de Ador. disp V. c. 3. First It is but the common Opinion no matter of Faith that the power of Canonizing Saints belongs to the Pope and therefore it cannot be without all doubt whether those whom he Canonizes are infallibly Saints or no. Secondly The Jesuit Vasquez tells us there are Catholicks He means those of your Communion who do not think it without doubt that all whom your Church has Canonized are indeed Saints Cajetane libr. de Indulg c. 8. Canus loc Theol. lib. 5. c. 5. Gerson de 4. dom cons 2. c. de Exam. doctr cons 1. See Bishop Taylours Polem disc pag. 333. And he mentions no less a man than Cardinal Cajetane for one And that Cardinal in the book to which Vasquez refers alledges the great Doctour of your Schools S. Thomas for another To these I will add Melchior Canus Antoninus and Gerson who at most esteem it but piously credible not absolutely certain But Augustinus Triumphus goes farther and doubts not freely to declare that all who are Canonized by the Pope cannot be in Heaven And Prateolus tells us that Herman the Author of the Heresie of the Fratricelli was for twenty years together after his death honour'd as a Saint and then his body was taken up and burnt for a Heretick And now if you are not yet sensible of the danger you run by this means whilst you not only call upon a damned soul for aid and assistance but as in some of your prayers you do pray unto God so to give you Grace on Earth as he has glorified them in Heaven De SS beat l. 1. c. 9. Sect. secundo I shall leave it to your own Cardinal Bellarmine to inform you of it Thirdly It is confessed by those of your own Church that among your Canonized Saints some there have been whose Lives were not to be commended Others whose Opinions have been condemned as Heretical and for my part when I consider the Character of some to whom you pray such as Thomas a Becket Dominick c. I cannot but say that if these be the men whom you place in Heaven what the poor Indians did of the Spaniards that then the other is certainly the more desirable portion For and I am perswaded that were but S. Martin again alive to summon their Souls before him as he once did that of a supposed Saint in his time Vid Bellar. de beat SS l. 1. cap. 7. they would make the same Confession that wretched Spirit is reported to have done and prove much more worthy your Compassion than your Adoration Now that which the more encreases this danger is Fourthly The almost infinite Number of Saints that have been received amongst you and whose Consecration depending wholly on matter of Fact in which you do not pretend the Pope to be Infallible it can hardly be supposed but that he must have very often proved mistaken For to keep only to your own Order a late Author of yours tells us Calendarium Benedictinum ad 26. Dec. that your Domestick Saints alone did long since by computation amount to fourty four thousand And I find another † Dr. Jackson T. 1. p. 937. list increasing them to fifty thousand Now to consider all the Arts and Intrigues that are used to procure these Canonizations by what Popes many of them have been placed in Heaven what Characters several among them have in your own Histories of their Lives these and many other Reflections would I confess prompt me were I otherwise as well satisfied of the Innocence of this Worship as I am fully convinced of the unlawfulness of it yet to pray to the greatest part of your Saints as he once did to Saint Cutbert Si Sanctus sis Ora pro me IF THOU ART A SAINT pray for me 129. It is I know the last refuge of many who consider this uncertainty to say That at least your good intention shall render these Prayers acceptable to God Vossius Thes Theol. p. 106. for what says the Learned Erasmus if the Saints do not perceive our desires yet Christ do's know them and will for them give us what we ask But yet still this will not make it a reasonable Service nor can you with a firm Faith call upon those in Heaven of whom you have

tells him how in the prosecution of his Argument he should be forced to lay open his frequent Contradictions Calumnies and Misrepresentations By which the Reader may now see that you meant me no Harm in all these hard words against me but you found them in your Author and you transcribed the railing with as little Judgment as you have done the Reason of his Books After this short and civil Preface you tell Me 3. Ad pag. 2. Reply Reply p. 2. That there was a time in which the * T. G 's first Answ Pref. pag. 15. Genuine Sons of the Church of England excused the Roman Catholick Church of that odious Imputation of Idolatry and * T. G 's first Answ pref pag. 15. SOME of them never † T. G 's second Answ p. 15. excommunicated nor censured by the Church of England for it maintain'd that We cannot defend the Charge of Idolatry against the Church of Rome without denying that Church to be a true Church and by Consequence without contradicting our selves and going against the intention of the Reformation which was not to make a new Church but to restore a sick Church to its Soundness a corrupt Church to its Purity c. See T. G. first Answer Pref. p. 7. Answ Had you but ingenuously own'd from whence you had taken this Objection against our Church the Reader would presently have known whither to have gone for the Confutation of it But seeing you are resolved to make it your own I shall answer two things 1st That what you have said is false 2dly That you either did or ought to have known it to be so 4. First It is false that those whom from T. G. you are pleased to stile the Genuine Sons of the Church of England have excused your Church of that odious Imputation of Idolatry or by consequence did think that we could not defend it against you without contradicting our selves and going against the intention of the Reformation Dr. Jackson see his Works 3 vol. Fol. Lond. An. 1673. 5. Your first Author is Dr. Jackson and he so far from excusing you in this Point as you most wretchedly assert that in a set Discourse under this very Title * Tom. 1. Of the Identity or Aequivalency of Superstition in Rome Heathen and Rome Christian he spends above 17 Sheets on purpose to prove the Charge of Idolatry upon you and answers all your Evasions by which you endeavour in vain to clear your selves of the Guilt of it The very Subject of his first Chapter is to shew That Rome Christian in latter Years sought rather to allay than to abrogate the Idolatry of Rome Heathen p. 933. In his 25th Chapter having mention'd that Conclusion of your Church * Pag. 946. That Saints are to be worshipped with Religious Worship He pronounces Sentence against you in these very words * Pag. 946. This we say is formal Idolatry The Title of his 27th Chapter is positive † Ibid. p. 954. That the same Expression of our respect or observance towards Saints or Angels locally present cannot without Superstition or Idolatry be made to them in their Absence And in the 28th Chapter speaking of your form of commending a departing Soul ‖ Ibid. p. 961. Depart out of this World in the Name of God the Father Almighty who hath created thee in the Name of Jesus Christ the Son of God who suffer'd for thee Breviarium Roman de Ord. Commendationis animae Deo. in the Name of the Holy Ghost who was poured forth upon thee in the Name of Angels and Arch-angels in the Name of Thrones and Dominions in the Name of Principalities and Powers in the Name of Cherubims and Seraphims in the Name of Patriarchs and Prophets in the Name of Holy Apostles and Evangelists in the Name of Holy Martyrs and Confessors in the Name of Holy Monks and Hermites in the Name of Virgins and of all God's Saints and Saintesses This day let thy Soul be in Peace and thy Habitation in Holy Sion If says he thus they pray with their Lips only they mock God as well as the Saints If thus they pray with internal Affection of Heart and Spirit they really worship Saints with the self-same Honour wherewith they honour God They might with less Impiety admit a Christian Soul into the Church Militant than translate it into the Church Triumphant in other Names besides the Trinity They might better baptize them only in the Name of God the Father and of S. Francis S. Benedict and S. Dominick c. without any mention of God the Son and Holy Ghost rather than joyn these as Commissioners with them in dismissing Souls out of their Bodies To censure this part of their Liturgy as it deserves it is no Prayer but a CHARM conceived out of the Dregs and Reliques of HEATHENISH IDOLATRY which cannot be brought forth but in BLASPHEMY nor be applied to any sick Soul without SORCERY * See more in express words cap. 24. § 8. p. 943. cap. 27. § 2. p. 956. Tom. 1. 6. This is the first of our Church-men that you say excused you from the odious imputation of Idolatry And since I perceive his Authority is of some weight with you as being one of the Genuine Sons of the Church of England which T. G. would not allow his Adversary nor it may be will you therefore esteem Me to be I hope you will for his sake who here charges your Offices with CHARMS and SORCERY as well as with Superstition and Idolatry be from henceforth a little more favourable to my Reflection on another occasion of your † Which he also in express words charges your Adoration of the Cross with cap. 24. §. 4. p. 941. oper Tom. 1. MAGICAL INCANTATIONS 7. I have been detain'd a little longer than I designed in this first Author but I will make amends for it by referring you for the ‖ Dr. FEILD A. B. LAVD Dr. HEYLIN three next to the like account which * See in the Preface to his first Book concerning the Idolatry of the C. R. and his general Pref. to the several late Treatises c. Lond. 1673. Dr. St. gave to your Friend T. G. from their own words As for † Mr. THORNDIKE Mr. Thorndyke it is confess'd he was once in the Opinion that you mention but you knew very well that he changed his Mind before his Death You may see by an Extract that has lately been ‖ Mr. Pulton considered Lond. 1687. publish'd out of his Will what an ill Notion he had of your Church in general and for the Point before us T. G's Reverend and Learned Adversary eight Years ago publish'd a Paper from * Dr. Stilling Conferences against T. G. Lond. 1679. pag. 89. Mr. Thorndyke's own hand in which among other Exceptions against you he makes this his 12th To pray to Saints departed for those things which only God can give