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B13698 A dialogue or conference betweene Irenæus and Antimachus, about the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England: by Samuel Gardiner, Doctor of Diuinitie Gardiner, Samuel, b. 1563 or 4. 1605 (1605) STC 11575; ESTC S102819 49,951 71

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A DIALOGVE OR CONFERENCE BEtweene Irenaeus and Antimachus about the rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England By SAMVEL GARDINER Doctor of Diuinitie Psal 122. vers 6. O praye for the peace of Ierusalem they shall presper that loue thee AT LONDON Printed by Richard Braddock for Thomas Bushell and are to be sould at his house in the Petty Cannons 1605. TO THE RIGHT HONORABLE AND MOST REVEREND FATHER IN GOD RICHARD BY THE PROVIDENCE OF GOD LORD Archbishop of Canterburie Primate of all England and Metrapolitane ALBEIT the arke of Noah which is the Church of god be throughly pitched within without with the Doctrine of the trueth and good and wholesome discipline and therefore is safe enough against all the waues of wicked dooers and ouerflowings of vngodlinesse the Lorde of hoastes that is with vs and the God of Iacob that is our refuge sitting at the stearne and houlding it and pronouncing this blessing vpon it I will bee with you to the end of the worlde yet is it subiect to the rage of manie waters to sirtes sandes rockes Pyrates and to euill minded passengers that will rather hinder then helpe in a storme or daunger The last is not the least that this barke and pinnesse is to feare For as Epiphanius sayth Omnem inscensorem vehere potest nauis praeter fugitiuum this shippe may beare any passenger better then a fugitiue We diuide these into two flockes as Labans sheepe and goates were diuided into two companies whereof some were blacke other some party coloured Those of the blacke guarde are heretiques in doctrine those that are of sundrie colours and cannot agree among themselues what they woulde haue but builde with confusion of language with the builders of Babell Gen 11 Iudic 12 and with the Ephraimites cannot pronounce Shibboleth are those that in a singularitie of opinion make a defection whome Augustine noting with his inkehorne giueth them no milder name then Schismatiques August Schismaticus es sacrilega discessione haereticus sacrilego dogmate Thou art a schismatique saith he in thy sacrilegious separation and an heretique in thy sacrilegious doctrin August Augustine sampleth the first sorte to a lyon and the second to a Dragon saying Tunc leo fuit cùm apeitè saeuiebat modo draco cum occulte insidictur Then he is a Lyon when he openlie rageth and a Dragon when he priuilie lyeth in wayte Of this had woorthy Epiphanius respect when he suited euery singular heresie to a seuerall serpent A similitude that fell fitly into his purpose because no aspe viper or venemous creature scatter such filthy vomit against vs and fasten such venemous teethe vpon vs as schismatiques and heretiques With the insolent neighbourhood of these two as with the malignaunt aspecte of two vnluckie planets hath the Church beene miserably disquieted a long time The heretique like Iudas hath alwayes ledde a bande of souldiers after him and the schismatique hath neuer beene without his disciples and sectaries Of heretiques we haue had such swarmes at all times as if hell had emptied it selfe and cleane degorged her stomacke on the lappe of the Church the sun and the ayer that is the cleare sunne and light of the worde hath beene darkened by the smoake of the pit Reuel 9. The blame whereof is to bee giuen to the peruersenesse of mens minds that loue darkenesse rather then light and to grope with the Sodomites for a wall at noone daye who will bee blind with their eyes open and will not with Eli see the lampe of God burning in the Temple The number of these without number I shall not if I might goe about to compute and comprehende in this narrowe roome and compasse of an Epistle They most of them were occupied about the person of Christ casting their filthinesse against his holynesse either denying the eternall nature of the sonne of god or calling into question the trueth of his incarnation or else violating the vnitie of his person or else compounding and confounding the distinction of his natures In his diuinitie erred very rankelie these of auntienter tyme Noetus Praxeas Hermogenes Sabellius with whome wee consorte Berillus and Marcellus knowne by the title and name of Patripassiani or otherwise surnamed Vnionitae because they wold not acknowledge three persons but onely three voices in the mystery of the Trinitie Hereupon Arius Photinus Artemon affirmed that the sonne had a beginning and was not euerlasting Again Euomius and Aetius conceiued the sonne to bee vnlike his Father which stumbling blocke while Ebion Basilides Cerinthus Carpocrates Paulus Samosatenus are warie to auoyde they take a greate fall professing the Son of God to bee but a meere man Further Cerdon Martion Manicheus Valentinus imagined him to bee but a cypher fantasie or vaine imagination or to haue brought a body from heauen with him and as Apelles sayth compact and conglutinated of starres or a bodye without a soule as Apollonatius fantasyeth Which stinking dunghill of rotten heresies is stirred and digged vpp new by heretiques of this age especially that roguish opinion of Eutiches who giue to Christ a deified bodie Now the Nestorians treade as much awrie of the other side giuing two persons to our Sauioure Christ teaching that the worde is present with Christ by assistance Thus is Christs coate that was without seame miserablie mangled with their circuler questions Neyther hath the mysterie of iniquitie thus ceased but Sathan that cannot put off his nature by his emissaries and factiue instrumentes the Papistes the incendiaries of these dayes hath kindled hot coales of fire in the Church and hath powred such poyson into the bosome of it as it must be a greate deale of Triacle that must purge is But wee shoulde discharge our selues of that well enough if wee could be at amitie and vnitye with our selues and woulde fight with our ioynte forces againste Edom Babylon Ammon and Aram with Ioab and Abisai and not strike our selues with our owne quilles as the Baalites launced themselues with their owne kniues If our kingdome were as strong as the diuels diuision woulde soone vnioynte and dissolue it For if Sathan be diuided against Sathan how can his kingdome stand saith our Sauioure Christ But this is the carbuncle botch and byle of our ecclesiasticall bodie we dissolue the brotherhood between Iudah and Israell Zach 11.14 whereas frater is called quasi ferè alter we are brethren in euill diuided in Iacob and scattered in Israell Ecclesiae titulo armantur qui contra ecclesiam dimicant they are vnder the banner of the Church that fight against the Church It is Chrysostomes obseruation that there is ingendred in euery thing and proceedeth out of it that which in tyme if it be not looked too will consume the thing as out of wood commeth a worme out of a garmente a moathe out of a greene hearbe a canker by which the woodde is fretted the garmente is hindered the herbe perisheth This hath too liuelie
an application to the Church For in Adams house was a wicked Caine in the arke of Noah was an accursed Cham in the familie of Abraham was a flowting Ismaell vnder the roofe of reuerend Eli were two vngratious waggestringes his sonnes Ophni and Phineas in Dauids courte there was the rebell Absalon in the the schoole of Christ was the traitour Iudas in the companie of the Deacons was the crewe of the Nicolaitans How the setled state of our church hath beene disquieted with home-borne crosse biters male contentes and wranglers to whome it is good sporte and gamesome the distraction of the churche of Corynthe some calling themselues Cephistes 1. Cor 1. some Paulines othersome Apollonians styling themselues Brownistes Barowistes of the fraternitie of the familie of loue and taking manye such odde titles to themselues I woulde wee coulde forget as wee well remember If the same moulde that now couereth some of the authors and ring-leaders of these rowtes might haue ouerwhelmed their factions we woulde not haue so sharpened our pennes against them But because they are belluae multorum capitum beastes with many heades and they infect like a byle in a bodie like a sinke in a citye and they are sparkes that set the whole church on fire wee maye not forbeare them For they haue doone more hurte alreadie then anie can diuine and like they are to doo more if their argumentes be not in time aunswered with a surioynder taken from the magistrates scabbarde that may choke their liues and put them to a non plus For the open persecutor is not so nefarious as the preposterous zelous professor Of which I must tel what a holy father saith Venit persecutor non fregit crura Christi venit Donatus dirupit ecclesiam christi integrum corpus christi manet inter manus persecutorum The persecutor came and did not breake the legges of Christ but in came Donatus and broake the Church of Christ the body of Christ remayned whole betweene the handes of his persecutors The due regarde hereof dealeth with vs to praye incessauntlie for the peace of Ierusalem and to ensue it all we may with contention of sides intention of mindes inuentions of arguments wherein when we haue doone our vttermoste endeuoure we shall neuer doo enough For bee wee more watchfull then Argus we shall still find more to doe And here I may not let passe the desciplinarians of our dayes who in such nice differences between vs will not be tractable for whose sake onely I penned this treatise in a loue vnfayned towardes them as I desire to liue as reuerencing manye of their persons and honouring theyr religion tendring theyr zeale but wishing it were seasoned with more knowledge Heerein the Papistes and they are as Ionathans arrowes beyonde and short the marke I woulde we were all of vs middlings in the Kinges high waye without turning aside to anye of these bywayes of the left hand or the right These labours I present to your Graces good learning and liking to commend them to the presse or vtterly suppresse them as it pleaseth your Lordshippe For to whome shoulde I giue them rather then to the Father of our Church that stand no doubt most Fatherly affected towardes vs and maynteineth the diuinity that is heere handled I haue also twice tasted of the louing inclination of your nature and therefore these paines as the abilitye of the whole man are consecrated to your Grace The Almightye god giue you to see manye dayes in honour to the honour of his greate name and to the enlargement of the Churches tranquillity so many yeeres now blessed be his Maiesty continued among vs. Your Graces in all dutie SAMVEL GARDINER To the learned brethren of the Ministery discontented with the gouernement of the Church of England and to all of that side Grace and peace I Take god to witnesse whom I serue in my soule that in all singlenesse of mind in a tender regard of the peace of the Church and the welfare of you al I haue addressed my selfe to this treatise his great name in my deuotions being first inuocated that it would please him to sanctifie these studies and to giue me the tongue of the wise and the pen of the ready writer to put forth thinges in season to the strengthning of the weak to the encouragement of the forward to the instigation of the backward and the conuiction of the obstinate In the vnquestionable assurance whereof I speake now vnto you my certificate being the cheerfulnesse he hath giuen me all the while I was in hand with the following discourse and am so zealous in the cause the fire of his spirit the worke of all good motions kindling the coales of these meditations So that I take vp the saying of the Poet Est deus in nohis agitante calescimus illo Ouidius And though I speake but to your eare onelye or rather to the ayer yet my witnesses are in heauen with what affections I am trained to this treatise that will beare me record my scope is to shew you that the oddes betweene you and vs are not of that importance to deuide and sunder you from vs but that seeing graue and godly authority will not that we should come to you that you for order and godly authority sake would apply your selues to vs. That by our ioynt conformity we might all proceede in the common cause of Religion and leade the people in the right way of the knowledge of Christ crucified as the Israelites ledde Dauid to Hebron with a simple and perfect heart That thereby we might be built like Ierusalem that is a city that is at vnity with it selfe Ezech. 37. and as the Angles of the mercy seate that turnes face to face and not thus to be tyed back to back as Sampsons foxes that made nothing but spoile and waste where they went or to be as a disordered or confused army of such seuerall behauiour one part ioyning another deuiding companyes Some standing still other some running away Read with Iudgement without preiudice and let me haue but loue for loue again and I desire no more And so much I do deserue wherefore if thou beest wanting therin thou doest me more wrong the blame is only thine Reason would that none should be so wedded to his will but that he should change it when better reason mooueth Farewell A Dialogue or conference betweene Jrenaeus and Antimachus about the rites and Ceremonies of the Church of England IRENAEVS Well met my good friend Antimachus how doe you you looke somwhat sadly what is the matter Antimachus I am sad indeed because I may not vse the liberty of my conscience and because for conscience sake onely I am depriued of my liuing Irenaeus Indeed if it be so you haue cause to be sad But I maruaile it shoulde bee so in this Realme of England where the gospell is freely preached by publique authority and the preachers