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A02913	Obiections: answered by way of dialogue wherein is proved by the Law of God: by the law of our land: and by his Maties many testimonies that no man ought to be persecuted for his religion, so he testifie his allegeance by the Oath, appointed by law.	Helwys, Thomas, 1550?-1616?, attributed name. aut; Murton, John, attributed name. aut	1615 (1615)	STC 13054; ESTC S117349	47,923	88

and the Isralites now not of this world Ioh. 15.19 then the king thereof is not of this world as they are not of this world Ioh 17.16 ād if these spiritual lords cōfesse that Chr king now of the sand ād people of Israel but yet he hath left our lord the king h●s deputy to make such lawes and lords over the church as pleaseth him the word of the lord is against thē ●ere is but one ●ord 1. Cor. 12.5 one law giver Iam. 4.12 over his Church Nay his Ma himself is against thē who saith There is no earthly monarch ever the Church whose word must be a law saith further Christ is his Churches monarch the holy ghost his deputy alleging luk 22.25 the kings of the Gentiles beare rule one over another c. but I shal not be so among you saying further Christ then he ascended left not Peter with them to direct thē in al truth but promissed to send the holy ghost to them for that end c. If any wishe rebellions against the word of the lord herein yet let them not be rebellious against the word of the king Oh that any thinge would prevail with thē to make them leave of these cruel courses of persecuting poore soules that desire truely to feare God and are most faithful subjects to the king and desire also the salvatiō of the soules of these their cruel persecutors who do seeke their vtter vndoeing by al the forenamed persecutions onely because they cannot of faith offer vp such worship to God as these spirituall lords comaund and the rather let them leave of persecutinge seeing the kings Ma tie acknowledgeth It is a sure rule in divinitie that God loves not to plant his church by violēce bloodshed And if it be a law for al Christiās that in indifferent thinges one must not offēd another but the stronge but forbeare rather thē offēd his weake brother other wyse he wounds the weake conscience sinnes against Christ 1. Cor 8. Thē how much lesse hath any man power to be lord over the weake conscience forceing it to practice that it hath not faith in bringing it thereby vnto same and vnto condemnation Rom. 14. wee do vnfainedly acknowledg the authority of earthly Magistrats Gods blessed ordinance and that al earthly authority and comaund apperteynes vnto thē let them comaund what they will wee must obey either to do or suffer vpō paine of Gods displeasure besides their punishment But al men must let God alone with his right which is to be lord and law-giver to the soule ād not comaund obedience for God where he comaundeth none And this is onely that which wee dare not but maintaine vpō the peril of our soules which is greater then bodily afflictiō And onely for the maintenance of Christs right herein do false Prophets and deceivers who by that craft are clothed in fyne apparel and faire deliciously every day labor to make vs odious ī the ears ād eyes of Prince and people knoweing wel that if they had not power by persecution to force mē to dissemble to beleeve as they their kingdome and paine would soone come to nought the wickednes of which course is discovered in this writinge followeing For the manner being Dialogue-wise wee thought it the fittest in two respects First for the vnderstanding of the simple to whome especially Gods misteries apperteyne more then to the wise and prudent of the world Secondly because al the objections that wee have met with might be set downe and the playnelyer answered And because wee have faith and assurance that many wil see and acknowledg the vnlawfulnes of tyrānyzing over the consciēce vn persecuting the bodies of such as cannot be subject wee have also thought it meet to manifest the careful estate of such subjection that they may deliver their soules if they wil be saved and also have set downe the beginning of that old and good way that Iohn Baptist Christ Iesus ād his Apostles have left vnto al that wil be saved ●nto the end of the world Beseeching that Almighty worker that he would worke in the harts and consciences of men that they may enquire for it and that out of the scriptures and walke therein thē shal they find rest vnto their soules although afflictions to their bodies Oh 〈…〉 is time for the Lord to worke for they have destroyed his law and have set vp in many Nations such worship for God as best pleaseth thē that are in authority and have power to persecute the contrary mynded Let all Gods people cry How long Lord when wilt thou come to destroy Antychrists cruel Kingdome and establish Christs meeke and peaceable Kingdome as thou haist begun even come Lord Iesus by the Spirit of thy Moueth and the brighnes of thy coming even come quickely Amen By Christs vnworthy witnesses his Majesties faithful subjects Comonly but most falsly called Annabaptists Antichristian VVhy come you not to Church Christian What should I do there A. VVorship God C. I must worship God as he requireth ād not as any mortal man requireth A. True but the worship that wee require you to offer vp is the vvorship God requireth C. If it be so I wil withal willingnes assēt vnto it but my conscience must be satisfied there of by the word of truth that I may have faith in it other wise it is my grevious sai Rom. 14.23 For I may not beleeve it so to be because you affirme it A. VVell you must go to Church othervvise you are disobedient to the law vvil fall vnder punishment C. But still remember that you would have me worship God as you pretend therefore let vs agree what worship God requireth Christ saith Ioh 4.24 God is a spirit they that worship him must worship him in spirit truth Here wee see what worship God requireth viz That wee worship him with our soules and Spirits and also that we worship him according to the truth of his word And therefore for your booke worship If it were according to truth from the which it is as far as light is from darknes yet if I cannot offer it vp with my Spirit it is not acceptable to God but most abhominable A. Well you must come to Church C. I pray let aske you a question do you seeke the glory of God and the salvation of my soule herein or your owne obedience A. I seeke the glory of God and the salvation of your soule not my ovvne obedience C. Then manifest it no by words onely but by deeds and truth which if you do you will not threaten me punishmēt to cause me to come but with meekenes and patience satisfye my conscience by the word of truth for this is the duety of the Minist of Christ 2. Tim. 2.24 that I may come with a willing mynd so shall I be accepted 2. Cor. 8.12 Psal 110.3 For if by threatning me punishment as imprisonment banishment or death

you cause me to bring my bodie and not my spirit or soule so shall I come neere to the Lord with my lips when my hart shall be far from him which he accompteth vaine worship and hipocrisie Mat. 15. A. I perceive what you aime at you would have none brought to Church but such as come willingly of themselves so should every man worship God as himself pleaseth C. Your conclusion I aime not at for I acknowledg that as there is but one God so there is but one way of worshipping him out of the which way whosoever is ād repēteth not there of shal pay a deare price and therefore it stādeth all Men vpon not to please themselves in worshipping him But you perceive aright that I aime at this that none should bee compelled to worship God but such as come willingly for I will by Gods assistance prove most evidētly by the Scriptures that none ought nor can bee compelled to worship God to acceptance by any worldly meanes whatsoever A Prove that C. Wel I prove that I have affirmed thus First Heb. 11.6 Without faith it is vnpossible to please God and Rom. 14.23 Whatsoever is not of faith is sin These two Scriptures prove most evidētly that whatsoever I have not faith in inworshiping God although it were vndoubtedly true I may not offer it vp vnto God for it is displeasing to him and it is sin against him as also it appeareth plainely by him that came into the Kings supper and wāted his wedding garment Mat. 22. A. It is the Kings law that you must go to Church therefore you must bee obedient C. The intent of the Kings law is not so as appeareth both by the statute for the oath of allegiance and also by his Ma ties owne words manifested in his Apologie for the oath of allegiance as hereafter is more fullie declared For if the intent of the law were to make me come to Church to worship God and not of faith the intent of the law were to cōpell me to sin which his Ma tie requireth not Antic I deny not but whatsoever is not off Faith is sinne but vvee vvould have you come to Church to vvorship God of faith C. It is not so you regard not whether I have faith or no for if you did you would not vrge the Kings law against me which is but a carnal weapon and cannot beger faith ād there fore is no sure ground of faith For in my obedience to God I must not presume above that that is written 1. Cor. 4.6 For the VVord of God is the onely ground of faith Rom. 10.17 and therefore if you would have me come of faith you would onely vrge the law of the King of Kings against mee A. Hath not all the Learned of the Land considered of these things set thē dovvne are such simple men as you likely to see more then all these C. I demaund of you whether they bee not all subject to err as all men are and therefore I must try their spirits whether they er or no. 1. joh 4.1 For I may not hold either that they cannot err or that if I find them to err I must obey them notwithstanding do you not herein teach me that Popish and accursed doctrine that you invaigh so much against in the Papists that I must beleeve as the learned of the land beleeves A. I do not hold that they cannot err C. Yes you hold either that they cannot err or if they do err I must obey them for if I do not obey them you threaten me punishment A. Nay but I hold that they being learned do not err therefore you must obey them C. Then this is your argument The learned do not err and therefore must be obeyed The 2 bs and the rest of that rāck are learned ād do not err ād therefore they must be obeyed another arg as vaine as this may be collected from this ground The learned do not err and therefore must be obeyed The Pope and the rest of that rancke are learned yea as learned as yours ād do not err and therefore they must be obeyed The one is as true as the other but both abhominable If you prove that they that want this learning must not meddle with the waies of God but as these learned men teach them then indeed you said some thinge but if you cannot as most certen it is you cannot For the word of God is against you herein then for shame to God and Mē leave of your cruell persecuting for why do you persecute Men that cannot of faith submit to your direction concerning the waies of God vpon which consisteth their salvation if they walke in the true way of faith with love thereof and their condemnation if they walke in by path A. Then I perceive if a mā can pleade that he hath not faith in any thing which the King commaunds he need not be obedient C. Would God all Men could see your dealing herein this is your vsuall course whē your mouth is stopped by the power of Gods word that you knowe not what to answere then you runn to the Kings comaund and so make your matters good like vnto your predecessors the wicked Scribes and Pharisies who when our Lord and Maister had stopped their monethes that they had no word of answere then they sought to make him a trespasser against Cesar but I have learned in some weake measure that as there is a Cesar vnto whome of conscience I must be obediēt so there is another king one Iesus that is King of Kings vnto whome if you will not be obedient in giveing vnto God that which is Gods he will te●r● you in peeces when there shal bee none that can deliver you cast you into the lake that burneth with Fire brimstone for ever more where th●re shal be no rest day nor night and therefore agree with this your adversarie quickly whilst you are in the vvay vvith him The power ād authority of the King is earthly and God hath comaunded me to submit to all Ordinances off Man 1. Pet. 2.13 ●4 And therefore I have faith to submit to what ordinance of Man soever the King comaunds if it bee an humane Ordinance and not against the manifest word of God let him require what he will I must of cōsciēce obey him with my bodie goods and all that I have But my soule wherewith I am to worship God that belōgeth to another King vvhose kingdome is not off this VVorld Ioh 18.36 VVhose people must come vvillingly Psal 110.3 VVhose vveapons are not carnall but Spirituall 2. Cor. 10.4 etc. Ant. Is this all the authority that you vvill give to the King C. What authoritie can any mortall Man require more then of bodie goods life and all that apperteyneth to the outward Man The hart God requireth Pro. 23.26 He comaunded to give vnto Cesar things that are Cesars to himself the things that are his

as they did it by extra-ordinary meanes so you may do it by ordinary meanes if you would vse onely those Weapons which Christ commaunded his Disciples to vse in this busines which are not carnall wee would agree with you herein But if your ordinary meanes bee such as Christ never had nor any of his Disciples then it is a meanes of your owne devisinge for Christ hath al meanes whatsoever for bringing Men to the obedience of the truth A. Doth not Christ in the parrable Teach that he compelled all to come in C. I demaund of you wherewith doth he compel them he hath no carnall weapons doth he not compel them by his word VVhich is his tvvo edged svvord Heb. 4 12. Revel 2.12 Doth he smite the earth vvith any other vveapons then by the breath off his lips Esa 11.4 A. VVell then you see compulsion may bee vsed C. Yes I confesse to you such compulsion as much as you will if whē you have done you wil walke in his steps who when the Gaderens praied him to departe he left them and taught his Disciples where they should preach the word of God iff they would not receive them that they should shake off the dust of their feet for a witnes against them Mat. 10.14 Which accordingly they practized Act. 13.51 and 18 6. etc. He never taught them to pull the contrary mynded out of their houses ād put them in prisons to the vndoeing of them their Wives and Children This was Sauls course when he was a blasphemer and persecutor etc. Act. 9.1 etc. Christ taught his Disciples To wait iff at any time God would give the contrary mynded repentance and not to prevent their repentance by seeking their blood Indifferent man I have heard you all this while and by that I have heard I see evidētly that none ought to be compelled by any worldly meanes to worship God neither can any bee accepted in such worship in that it is spirituall worship that he accepteth C. Blessed be the Lord that you see it I would not you onely but all Men did see that the sword of the Magistrate and al afflictions proceeding there from are onely vpon the outward man and cannot convert a soule from goeing astray nor begett faith it comes by hearing the word of God Rom. 10.17 And therefore is no instrument in this worke Al that the Magistrate can do is to compell me to bring my bodie for except their be a willing mynd which no mā can see their is no acceptance with God and therefore it is not Gods glory nor my acceptāce with him they seeke by forceing me but meerly their owne obedience to Gods great dishonor and the distruction of my soule if I should so do But iff it would suffice them to bring my bodie to that they call their Church and require of me no worship I will go when they will onely not when their false worship is performed For I adhor the accursed doctrine off the Familists herein I. It is a lamentable thinge to consider how many thousands in this nation there be that for feare of trouble submit to thinges in Religion which they diseprove off C. Oh whose eies doth not gush out with teares in the consideration thereoff seeing in all that God is highly displeased ād al those vnder the judgments of God everlasting iff they repēt not A. If it were as you would have it that all Religions should be suffered how dāgerous vvould it bee to the Kings Person State what trecheries treasons would bee plotted I. Indead that is a thing greatly to be suspected but if permission of all religions should be clered of that there is no questiō but it might prevaile with the King and State C. If it be not cleared of that then let al mē abhor it First it is the comaundement of him who is the God not of confusion but off peace order and therefore to be obeyed Mat. ●3 30 Let the good bad grovv together vnto the end off the vvorld Suffering the contrary minded patiently proveing iff god at any time vvill give them repentance that they may acknovvledg the truth c. 2. Tim. 2.24 Secondly if the just lawes in that behalf made be but duely executed which is that all his subjects should protest their faithful alligeance to his Ma ties person Crowne and dignity all that will not be obedient let them be disposed of at his Ma ties pleasure and you shall see no such trecheries and treasons practiced as hath bene First for all those that seeke and practice in themselves reformation in Religion sathan himself cannot tar them with the least jott of trecherie and for the Papists may it not justly be suspected that one cheife cause of al their treasons hath bene because of al the compulsions that hath bene vsed against their consciences in compelling them to the worship practiced in publique according to the Law of this Land Which being taken away there is no doubt but they would be much more peaceable as wee see it verified in divers other Nations where no such cōpulsiō is vsed for if they might have freedome in their religion vnto their faith full alligeāce to the King the feare of the kings Lawes and their owne prosperity and peace would make thē live more inoffencively in that respect I. Onely the Papists are dangerous in that some of them hold that Kings ād Princes that hee excomunicated by the Pope may be deposed murthered by their subjects or any other C. For that damnable and accursed doctrine as wee abhor it with our soules so wee desire al other may And therefore all the Lawes that can be made for the prevention of such exceecrable practizes are most necessarie But now I disire all men to see that the Bishops and wee justly cry out against this accursed doctrine and practice in the Pope and his associates That Princes should bee murthered by their subjects for contrary myndednes in Religion yet they teach the king to murther his subjects for the selfe same thinge viz for being cōtrary mynded to them in their Religion So likewise as that accursed doctrine is to bee abhorred in the Papists who teach subjects not to bee obedient to their princes that are excomunicate by the pope even so is that accursed doctrine of the Bbs. to bee abhorred who Teach Princes not to protect their subjects that are excomunicate by them in not affoarding thē either lawe or justice nor to beare testimony in any Court. Do not the Bbs herein justifie this accursed doctrine and practice in the Papists A. There is great difference in the persons for th one are Princes thother subjects subjects must be obedient C. Most true it is but is it not also true that Princes must afforde all their subjects justice ād equitie although they be as heathens and Publicans For iff Princes be freed from doeing right and justice and protectinge their subjects that be excomunicate