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A01299	A briefe confutation, of a popish discourse: lately set forth, and presumptuously dedicated to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie: by Iohn Howlet, or some other birde of the night, vnder that name Contayning certaine reasons, why papistes refuse to come to church, which reasons are here inserted and set downe at large, with their seuerall answeres. By D. Fulke, Maister of Penbroke Hall, in Cambridge. Seene and allowed.	Fulke, William, 1538-1589.; Parsons, Robert, 1546-1610. Brief discours contayning certayne reasons why Catholiques refuse to goe to church.	1583 (1583)	STC 11421; ESTC S102704	108,905	118

Lord the Archangels do beseech him for they account that a fit time hauing that sacred oblatiō in their fauor And therfore as men are wont to moue princes the more if they beare oliue bowes in their hands because by ●…earing that kinde of wood they bring into the Princes mindes mercy gentlenes so the angels at that time holding out in their hands the very selfe same body of our Lord they do intreate for al mankind as though they saide We do intreate O Lord for the men of the world whom thou hast so loued that for their saluation thou wast content to die and in the Crosse to breath out thine owne soule For these men we make sup plication for the which thou hast giuen thy owne blood for these men we pray for the which thou hast sacrificed this body of thine If this bee so then the hearing of Masse is not only worth the venturing of an hundred marks or six monethes imprisonment but also of an hundred thousand liues if a man could loose euerie one for that cause sixe times And an hundred times miserable is that man whiche for any worldly respecte doeth depriue him selfe of so great a benefite as the participation of this sacrifice is Secondly they loose by going to church the fruite and grace of sixe sa craments as the grace of confirmation by the Bishop whereby the holy Ghost was giuen in the primatiue church as S. Luke saith and nowe 〈◊〉 our time as S. Cyprian proueth are bestowed vpon vs by the same the seuen gifts of the holy Ghost set out by Esay the Prophet in his xi chapter They loose also the grace of Priesthood so greatly commended by saint Paul to Timothie when he chargeth him so earnestly not to neglect the saide grace Also the grace of Matrimonie which S. Paul so much extolleth when hee calleth this sacrament a great sacrament Also the grace of extreeme vnction which is so great as S. Iames saith besides the healing ma ny times of the body it also remitteth the sicke mans sinnes And so in like manner the grace of the other two sacramentes of Penance and the Aulter whereof I will say a worde or two immediately All these graces they loose being cut of by their going to the Protestants churches from these sacraments which are nothing els but conduits of grace The which losse of what value it is a man may gesse by that which all diuines with on accorde doe proue that one drop of grace is more worth then all the worlde esteemed in it selfe besides Thirdly they loose by going to church al the benefi●…e of the keies of the church or of the authoritie of binding and loosing of sinnes graunted by Christe to the gouernours of the same churche For the explication of the which we must vnderstand that Christ hauing newly made the marriag●… betwixt his deare spouse himself I meane the church hauing now sealed the same with his own blood being inforced to depart frō the said new married spouse of his touching his visible presence for a time hee deuised how to shew vnto her how greatly he loued her to leaue some notable pledge and testimonie of his singuler great affectiō towards her The which he finally resolued could be by no other meanes better ex pressed then if he should leaue al his authoritie with her the whiche hee had receiued of his father which making publike proclamation to all the worlde that What soeuer she should forgiue in earth touching sinne the same should be forgiuen in heauen and what soeuer sinne the Church shoulde retaine or not forgiue in earthe the same shoulde neuer bee forgiuen in heauen And againe that with what authoritie GOD his father sent him with the same he sent her gouernours the Apostles and their successours And againe he that shoulde not heare and obey the Church should be accounted as a Heathen and Publicane By the which speeches of Christ our forefathers haue alwaies vnderst●…ode that Christe gaue vnto the church a visible tribunal seate in earth for the forgiuing or retaining of sinnes vnto the which al christians must reso●…t by submission and humble confession of their sinnes if they thinke euer to receiue forgiuenes of the same at Christ his handes in heauen For so wee reade that in the primatiue church they confessed their fins vnto the Apostles of whom S. Luke writeth thus Many of the faith full came to the Apostles confessing and reuealing their owne acts And foure hundred yeeres after that S. Austen testifieth of his time saying Doe you such penance as is wont to be doone in the Church that the Churche may pray for you Let no man say I doe it secretly I doe it with God alone God which hath to pardon me knoweth wel how that I doe repent in my heart What therfore without cause was it said to the Priests that which you loose in earth shalbe loosed in heauen therefore in vaine were the keies giuen to the Church And in an other place again more neerely touching the humour of our men now a daies he saith There are some which thinke it sufficient foe their saluation if they do confesse their sinnes only to God to whom nothing is hidden and to whō no mans conscience is vnknowne For they will not or els they are ashamed or els they disdaine to shewe them selues vnto the Priestes whome notwithstanding GOD by Moses his Lawe giuer dyd appointe to discerne or iudge betweene Leprie and Leprie But I woulde not that thou shouldest be deceiued with that opinion in suche sort that thou shouldest either by naughtie shame or ob●…inate 〈◊〉 refraine to confesse before the substitute or Vicegerent of our Lord. For whom our Lorde did not disdaine to make his 〈◊〉 his iudgement muste thou be content also to stand to This benefite therefore of the keyes of the churche and of receiuing remission of 〈◊〉 sinnes by the same which catholikes doe thinke to bee the greatest benefite of their religion doe they loose that goe to the Protestants churches besides all the good instructions wholesome counsels and vertuous admonitions which catholikes doe receiue in confession at their ghost●…y Fathers hands then the which things they finde nothi●…g more forcible to bring them to good life especially if they frequent it often as al zelous catholikes in the worlde now doe Fourthly they loose the infinit benefite of receiuing the blessed sacrament of the Aulter the precious body and blood of Christ beeing the foode of our soules and as Christ saith The bread that came downe from heauen to giue life vnto the worlde To the worthie eating of which heauenly bread Christe promiseth infinite reward saying He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath life euer lasting and I will raise him againe at the last day And againe He that eatetb me shall liue through me Vpon which promises of

to Church is all the benefite of the keyes of the church or of the authoritie of binding or losing But this is nothing so for by going to Church where they may heare the Gospell truely preached they may be made partakers of the keyes wherewith heauen is opened and of remission of sinnes at the handes of God by the ministrie of his woord As for consession of their sinnes such as the Scriptures requireth and the Primitiue Church practised they shal make dayly But Popishe ●…hrift no Scripture requireth neither did the auncient Church practise it They that confessed their dooinges Actes the 19. m●…de open and not auricular confession But for proofe of Popishe auricular confession as I thi●…ke Augustine is quoted in many Homelies not 〈◊〉 whereof saying Doe you suche penaunce as is wont to bee done in the Churche that the Churche may pray for you Let no man say I doe it secretly I doe it with God alone c. These woordes are manifest that hee speaketh of open confession of suche as had openly offended the Church and were to make open satisfaction for the same But more néerely touching the humour of our men hée saieth c. And so citeth a long saying out of the booke de visitatione infirmorum lib. 2. Cap. 4. Which was neuer written by Augustine nor by any other man of wit or learning S●…che counterfeite stuffe is méete to defende suche false doctrine as that Wherefore although wée vrge not auricular confession neither make we a Sacrament of repentance because it hath no visible signe proper vnto it yet the benefite of the keyes of the Church is not lost but of such as be truely conuerted from Papistrie with an inestimable comfort to be found in our Church The fourth losse is layd to bee of receiuing the blessed Sacrament of the Aulter the precious bodie and blood of Christ beeing the foode of our soules There is no reason brought for this losse but the onely tedious supposition that the bodie and blood of Christ is receiued onely in the Popish Church And whereas hée commendeth the often receiuing of the Sacrament it is well that the Papistes who within time of mens remembraunce made small account of often receiuing as appeareth by their infinite priuate Masses now at length haue founde out that the Sacrament is ●…ot ordeined to be looked on but to be often receiued Fifthly they loose saieth hée all the merit of their good deede s whatsoeuer for which he●… citeth Gregorie euen as none receiueth their penny in the Gospel but they onely which had laboured within the compasse of the Vineyarde so no man shal receiue any rewarde for any good deede of his except hee haue done it within the vnitie of the Church To this saying I agrée which speaketh of the reward and not of the merite but that they which come to our Church may not bee members of the true Church of Christ there is not a 〈◊〉 or letter brought for proofe Sixthly they loose the benefite of the Communion of Saintes saieth hée and finally beeing cut off and ●…ut from the other members they take no part of influence which commeth from the head to the bodie c. Héere except wee graunt that vile supposition that the Popishe Sinag●…gue is the onely Catholike Church of Christ there can be no consequence but to proue that pointe which is the whole matter in debate we heare neuer a word The ninthe Reason The ninthe reason which catholikes may yeeld for their refusall of going to the church may bee the example of all men from the beginning which haue had any care or conscience towarde their own religion not only good men of whom I haue giuen diuers examples before but also al others howe false and erronious soeuer their religion were yet did they alwayes procure to separate them selues from them of the contrarie religion in the act of prayer and from the Temples Sinagogues churches Oratories and conuenticies of the same So wee reade of the Gentiles which thought it to bee a great sinne and pollution to enter into the Iewes Synagogues or Christians churches The like wee read also of the Turkes at this day So all heretiques from the beginning assoone as they had framed any newe religion eftsoones they e●…ected newe Oratories to them selues and refused to come to those of other religions as the Arians Donatistes and the rest had their churches and places of prayer distinct from the catholikes whose churches they 〈◊〉 and auoyded together with their doctrine And so the Anabaptists at this day refuse to goe to the Lutherans church and the Lutherans to the Trinitaries In like wise the Puritans of our ●…ime in Englande refuse to come to the Protestantes churches And the Protestantes in other countri●…s doe vtterly denye to present themselues to catholike Churches alledging their conscience for the same and affirming it to bee damnable hypocrisie in them that for feare or for any other temporal re●…pect do yeld to doe the same against their faith and conscience Wherby it appeareth that they goe quite against their owne doctrine and example in England which obiect the same to Catholikes as disobedience obstinacie and rebellious dealing which in other countries they them selues both teach and practise I will for more manifestation of this matter put downe here the verie words of one of them translated out of French and printed in England and dedicated to the Lord Treasurer by Iohn Brooke The Authors name is Iohn Gardiner a Protestant who in his Cathechisme or as he calleth it Confession of his faith maketh it a great he●…ous sinne for Protestantes to present them selues to our catholike churches w●…ich hee according to their blasphemous spirite calleth idolatrous His wordes are these I beleeue and confesse that it is not lawful for any Christian to be assistant neither in spirit nor body at the Sacrifices of idolators nor also to enter in●…o their Temples whilest they are doing their idolatries Sacrifices except it be to rebuke them in shewing them their abuses to teach them the truth as the holy Apostles Prophets haue done and not for to dissemble as hypocrites For if the body bre a creature of God as it is as the soule is the temple of the holy Ghost member of the mystical body of Christ and if it must one day r●…se againe possesse the eternal life with the soule It must also necessarily be that it be altogether giuen vnto the seruice of God in this world with the soule and spirite ●… otherwise they can not be ioyned together after the general resurrection but being separated the one should bee in heauen with God whom he loued and the other in hel with the deuil whom he serued the which is an impossible thing Therfore I say al those dissimulations to be a very renouncing of Christ and of his Gospel And in like maner I beleeue and confesse that all those fayned and false

A briefe Confutation of a Popish Discourse Lately set forth and presumptuou sly dedicated to the Queenes most excellent Maiestie by Iohn Howlet or some other Birde of the night vnder that name Contayning certaine Reasons why Papistes refuse to come to Church which Reasons are here inserted and set downe at large with their seuerall answeres By D. Fulke Maister of Penbroke Hall in Cambridge Seene and allowed ¶ At London printed for George Byshop 1581. Abriefe con●…tation of a Popish discourse THe Papistes by long experience beeing learned howe litle is gained to their part by writing such Treatises in which they tooke vpon them either to iustifie their owne errours or to condemne the truth of Gods Church haue now of late taken an other course and begun an other way of writing which they haue thought more meete both to couer the infirmitie of their cause and to reteine such as they haue seduced in obstinacie of errour For not abiding to proue either that they are in the right or wee in the wrong they content them selues generally to inueigh against Schisme and Heresie to shew foorth the daunger of both in which argument while they conteine them selues they yeeld many good and substantiall reasons as is not hard for them to do which take a good cause in hande But when they come to couple this argument of Schisme or Heresie either by affirmation vnto vs or by denial vnto them selues without which there can no conclusion be made of the whole cause in controuersie they bring nothing but a stale vnlearned and miserable beggerie of the whole matter in question namely that they are the Catholikes we the Schismatikes they are the Church and wee the Heresie Such is the whole drift of Gregorie Martinus vaine Treatise of Schisme such is the scope of Hides seditious Epistle Consolatorie vnto Papistes and the same is the policie of this blasphemous and traiterous discourse cōteining the coulorable reasons made for the Papistes that refuse to go to Church The full and large aunswere vnto which infamous Libell presumed to be dedicated euen to her most excellent Maiestie with the confutation of the same Epistle Dedicatorie because it requireth larger time and is to be expected from a man of singular learning and diligence assoone as it may bee done conueniently I haue thought good in the meane time briefly to set forth vnto the ignorant for no man of meane knowledge can be deceiued by such petition of pri●…ciples the vanitie vnsufficiencie of al these ●…ne reasons that neither any one of them nor they al together can be any excuse much lesse a defense for these obstinate Recusantes to withdraw their obedience from God her Maiesties most godly lawes decreed for going to Church The answere of a vertuous and learned man to a Gentleman in Englande touching the late im prisonment of Catholikes there THE VEW of your late Letters my deare and woorshipfull friende brought vnto mee so●…e sorowe and muche comforte The sorowe proceeded of the wofull and afflicted case of my poore countrie so pitifully set downe by your penne vnto mine eye wherein as you write so many great Gentlemen of woorship are imprisoned for their conscience and religion of late so many good houses broken vp so many ho●…sholders dispersed and fled away so many young Gentlemen and seruantes vnprouided so many poore people destitute so many wiues disioyned from their husbands so many children beref●… of their parentes such flying such running suche shutting vp in prisons suche pitiful abiding h●…ger thirst and colde in prison as you describe doleful for vs to heare heere but more ruful for you to b●…old there and al this for different opinions in religion a miserie not accustomed to fall in our fathers dayes vpon that noble realme But as these were causes of some sorowe so was it no meane comfort vnto me to consider that in these wicked and loose times of ours wherein there is no feeling or sence of vertue left but al men enwrapped in the loue of Gods professed enemie the worlde folowing with al force and ful ●…yle the vanities and ambition of the same that there shoulde bee founde in Englande so many Gentlemen both for their yeares liuinges and other habilities as fit to be as vaine as the rest yet so precise in matters of religion and so respectiue to their consciences as that they wil preferre their soule before their bodie and Gods cause before their owne ease nay that they wil rather venture both bodie and goods life landes libertie and al then they wil doe any thing contrarie to their consciences whereby they must bee iudged at the last day This is suche a thing as it must needes bring comfort to al men and can iustly greeue none except the common enemy the Deuil him selfe For as for ●…raungers they must ●…eedes be edefied therewith as for Englishmen they must needes be incouraged thereby And as for the Princesse her selfe shee cannot but bee comforted therein assuring her selfe that if these men doe sticke so firmely vnto their consciences and fayth sworne vnto God in their o●… of Baptisme then wil they as firmely for the same conscience sticke vnto her Maiestie if occasion should serue in keeping their secondary faith and allegeance sworne vnto her Highnesse as to the substitute of GOD. Their aduersaries also and persecutors it can not in any reason mislike for that the contrarie religion were to haue them as constant and faithful in that if it were possible to win them to the same But notwithstanding seeing you wryte that there is both great dislike and displeasure also taken of it as though their constancie were obstinacy and their conscience meere wil which most of al greeueth as you write their obedient and wel meaning mindes albeeit otherwise the pressure it selfe bee so hea●… as the burthen thereof is sore and greeuous to beare for these causes and for the giuing of some more light to the whole matter I wil as you seeme to desire most briefly touch three things in this letter whereby I doubt not but that you shal account your selfe fully and sufficiently answered ●… The first point shalbe what cause or reason the Catholikes haue to stande as they doe in the refusall of thinges offered them and especially of going to the Church Secondly what way or meanes they may vse to remedie or ease them selues of this affliction now layde vpon them for their consciences Thirdly if that way or meanes doe not preuayle then howe they ought to beare and indure the same BEfore the nyne reasons is premised an answere to a Letter as is pretended of a gentleman in England touching the late imprisōmēt of Catholiks there the cōtents wherof are these First a great sorrow cōceiued in this answerer for that pitifull descriptiō of Englād cōteined in the gentlemans letter wherin was writtē that so many great Gentlemen of worship were prisoned for their consciences religion of

aster longe teaching he bée further vrged too confesse it experience as Augustine testifieth of manye Donatistes doeth shewe that although hée did first professe it by compulsion hée maye by Gods grace woorking in him afterwarde imbrace it willingly Wherefore the compulsion pretended to bee vsed is neyther so daungerous to them that are compelled nor so hurtefull to them that muste vse it being the last refuge to bring vngodly persons to repentaunce by threatning and executingof punishment which contemne despyse all gentle and fatherly admonishment Which if it will not preuayle but that of some it is borne out with obstinacie of other pretended by hypocricis the Magistrate hath discharged his dutie the offendor hath not founde damnation which hée should haue ●…raped Albeit by contumacie or dissimulation hée haue ●…creased the same Now followeth the other parte of the diuision for the first and the persons contayned therin our discourser refuseth to deale with all as of whome there is no ho●…e because they are damned in this lyfe they are no christians and much ●…sse catholikes But there are another sor●…e of catholyes which 〈◊〉 they iudge as the former 〈◊〉 that alother religious beside their own 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 ●…able yet doe they not thinke but that for some world●… 〈◊〉 for 〈◊〉 th●…ir offices 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and other like they may in some of the former things a●… lest wise in going to church shewe themselues conformable to the 〈◊〉 of them of the 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For reformi●…g of thos●… mens wrong and perrillo●… 〈◊〉 a●…ons these nine reasons following vnder the necessary supposition before sayde are franied The first Reason THe first reason why I being a Catholyke in minde maye not goe to the churches or seruice of the cōtrary relygion is because I perswading myself theyr doctrine to be false doctrine consequētly venomous vnto the ●…earer I may not venture my soule to be infected with the 〈◊〉 For us it is damnable for a man to kyll him selfe and consequently deadly si●…ne without 〈◊〉 cause to put his body in probable daunger of death so is it much more offens●… to God to put my soule ten thousand tymes of more valewe then my body in daunger to the deadly stroke of fals●… doctrine and heresie especially seeing I 〈◊〉 ●…o warrant of 〈◊〉 ●…ping but rather I heare God crying to the contrary Hee that ●…eth daunger shall per●… in the same Neyther is it sufficient for me to thinke that I am sure inoughe from beeing infected for that I am grounded inough I am learned sufficiently For what yf God take his grace from thee and let thee fall because thou hast not folowed his 〈◊〉 which is If thou wilt not be bi●…ten with the 〈◊〉 not do sleepe ●…gh the hedg●… If thou wil●… not be spo●…ed then not to touch the Pitch Wherefore 8. Paule to as good a man as learned as strong as I am gaue a generall rule to auoyde and flye an he●…ticall man The lyke precepte hee gaue to Timothy beeyng a By sho●… to auoyde a certayne heretyque by name Alexa●…der 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 yet hee 〈◊〉 as it we●…e the Thessalon 〈◊〉 in the name of Iesus Christes that they should 〈◊〉 drawe them selues 〈◊〉 like fellowes The sa●…e hee repeateth agayne to the 〈◊〉 beseechyng them to note and to de●…yne from 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The reason of this ●… 〈◊〉 vttereth 〈◊〉 Ty●…thye Because their speech creepeth like a canker and they 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to the 〈◊〉 of the same men By sweete wordes and gay blessinges they s●…uce the heartes of the Innocent And S. Peter saieth of them that they doe allure vnto them vnconstant soules Heere nowe I see the scripture carefully counsayling and commannding mee to auoyde the company and speech of falle teachers it putteth downe also the perrill if I doe it not which is as great as the death of my soule And on the contrary ●…de I haue no warrant of scripture or example of good men to aduenture the same For I doe reade this written of farre my betters The Apostles and their schollers were so warie and circumspect in this case in a●…yding heretikes that they would not so much as once reason the matter with any of them who endeuoured by their lyings or new deuices to corrupt the truth 〈◊〉 I am sure I can neuer take good by hearing them but I am in great possibilitie to take euill as many more learned men then I in olde tyme haue done As Dionisius Alexandrinus confesseth of himselfe and of Origen and Tertulian it is knowne and manye men in England can be witnesses which both to thems●…ues and also to other 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the time was so firme and grounded in religion as nothing could moue them and yet nowe they haue proued otherwise Wherefore it cannot bee but great sinne in mee notwithstanding all this if I shall put my soule in such daunger by aduenturing to their companie to their serui●…e to theyr sermons to reading their boo●…es or the lyke wherby in any wise I may be corrupted The which aduenture what a 〈◊〉 it was counted in the primatiue church it may appeare by the seue●… lawes made both by the clergie and temporaltie for the prohibiting and punishing of the same in that time as is to be seene in the councels and fathers and in the decrees of the good christian Emperours Martian and 〈◊〉 and especially of the noble and zelous first christian Emperour Constantine which made it death after the condemnation of Arius by the generall councell of Nyce for anye man more to reade his bookes and thereby to aduenture to be poysoned with his heresies And reason For if Da●… had not ventured to behold Be●…abe he had not beene entrapped wi●…h her lone and so had not committed those horrible sins that ensewed And if Dame Eua had not presumed to heare the serpent talke she had not beene beguiled and if when Luther first began to teach new doctrine the catholiks at that time had not vouchsa●…ed to giue him the hering but had auoided his prechings preuy cōuenticles the●… had not bin now in worlde either Lutheran Swinglian Caluenist Puritan Anabaptist Trinetarie Family of loue Adamite or the lyke whereof now there are so many thousands abroad al springing of that first secte and troubling at this day the whole worlde with the eternall damnation of infinite soules the which soules at the day of iudgement shall be scuselesse and receaue that heauie sentence of euerlasting fire for that they had not a●…oyded the daunger of infection The first reason THe first reasō why a Papist may not go to church is y ● perril of infectiō which is as good a reasō as y ● a fowle toad may not come into a cléere spring to wash her spewe out her venome for feare of infection not of the well of which there is greater daunger but of her owne body vnto whose

that not only saying but also hearing of Masse should bée a woorke so mere●…orious The verie Angels of heauen saieth hée doe come down at that time to adore that sacred bodie and to offer the same vp with vs to God the Father for the whole worlde as all the holy Fathers of the primatiue church did both beleeue and teach Then the Angels also are Priestes if they offer this sacrifice But which of all the holy Fathers so doeth teach that wée may knowe they did be●…ue First hée cyteth Gregorie Lib. 4. dia. cap. 58. Whose words are these What faythfull man can doubt but in the verie houre of immolation or sacrifice the heauens doe open at the Priestes voice and that the quyers of Angels bee present there in that mysterie of Iesus Christ What is there in these woordes to proue that the Angels doe ador●… that sacred bodie or offer vp the same to GOD the Father with vs Otherwise wée doubt not but the Angels of GOD which are present with the faythfull to defende them and kéepe them in all their wayes are present also in all holy actions and especially in the administration of the holie Sacraments The same thing and in the same woordes almost saieth Chrysostome de sac●…rd Lib. 6. At that time the Angelles stande by the Priest and the vniuersall orders of the celestiall powers doe crye out and the place nigh to the A●…lter is full of quyres of Angels in the honour of him who is sacrificed For the presence of the Angels I answere as vnto Gregorie for the sacrifice and him that is sacrificed I sayde Chrysostome is the best expounder of himself Hom. 17. in Epist. ad Hebr. In the same woorke de sacerdo●…o Lib. 3. Hée saieth the lyke hyperbolicall spéech Nam dum conspicis dominum immolatum c. For while thou seest the Lord sacrificed the Priest leaning ouer the Sacrifice and powring foorth Prayers the people also that stand about to be dyed made redde with that precious blood doest thou thinke that thou art still conuersant among men and that thou standest on the earth Art thou not rather immediately tr●…ted into heauen Doest thou not cast off all cogitation of flesh and with naked minde and pure vnderstanding looke round about on those things that are in heauen c. These words of his do shew that hée speaketh of a spirituall presence of Christes bodie and blood by fayth which ascendeth into heauen and beholdeth those thinges which the outward eye of the bodie cannot atteine to see As for the visions of Angels that Chrysostome speaketh of in the place by him quoted proue nothing but the presence of them But Hom. 3. contra Anomaeos Hée explicateth the same more at large saith our Reasoner At that time my deare brother not onely men doe giue out that dreadfull crye Héere our Reasoner addeth a parenthesis of his owne which is not in Chrysostome saying wée adore thée O Lorde c. But also the Angels doe bowe their knees to our Lorde and-the Archangels doe beseech him For they account that a fit time hauing that sacred oblation in their fauour And therfore as men are wont to mooue Princes the more if they beare Oliue bowes in their handes because by bearing that kinde of wood they bring into the Princes minde mercy and gentlenesse so the Angels at that time proramis oleagenis in stéede of Oliue braunches hée leaueth out holding out in their handes the verie selfe same bodie of our Lorde they doe intreate for all mankinde although they saide we doe intreat O Lord for the men of the world whom thou hast so loued that for their saluation thou wast content to dye and on the crosse to breath out thine owne soule For these men we make supplication for the which thou hast giuen thine owne blood for these men wee pray for the which thou hast sacrificed this bodie of thine What playner testimony can there bée then this saith our discourser In déed it is plain enough to shew that Chrysostome calleth that thing the verie bodie of Christ which in proper spéech was a Sacrament and pledge of the same And that the similitude of Oliue braunches which are a signe of peace doe shewe Againe their holding out of the bodie of Christ and intreating God for mankind by y ● memoriall sheweth that they did not hold out Christ for then they would haue prayed to that which they 〈◊〉 in their handes and not to Christ by contemplation of that The sense is therefore in this hyper●…olicall supposition that the Angels by shewing the 〈◊〉 sacrament of his body once truely off●…ed which Sacrament was instituted for a remembraunce of that Sacrifice to entreat our Sauiour Christ by that token of remembrance as men that carrie Oliue braunches in their handes to 〈◊〉 Princes But that the Angels do●… adore that bodie in the Hoste and offered to God for vs and with vs for which purposes this place is cyted héere is nothing saide neither of consecration and ●…uation at which time this supplication of the Angels is affirmed to bée The second losse is pretended to be of the grace of six Sacramentes for which hée bringeth small reasons but repeating them saieth That by the grace of confirmation the holy Ghost was giuen Act. 8. 19. In which Chapters is nothing but of the miraculous gifts of the holie Ghost wherwith the Pri●…e church was garnished but are long since ceased But Cyprian in lib. de ●…ct Christi aduoucheth the same It is true that the Authour of that woorke de cardinalibus Christi operibus Whosoeuer it was maketh mention of that Ceremonie of annointing vsed in his tyme as also the Ceremonie of washing of féete after the example of Christ which hée maketh of as great importaunce as the other The grace that Timothie had by imposition of handes 2. Timothie which the Apostle willeth him not to neglect was extraordinarie and miraculous and therefore maketh nothing for the Ceremonie of vnction neither is there any worde of vnction there vttered That Saint Paule calleth Matrimonie a Sacrament in the Popishe translation it can not make it a Sacrament of the newe Testament which is and was euer before Christ A great mysterie of the spirituall coniun●…ion of Christ and his Church although the Apostle doe not say expresly that Matrimonie is a Mysterie thereof but saieth the coniunction of Christ and his Church is a great Mysterie The vnction whereof Saint Iames speaketh cannot be vnderstoode of extreame ●…tion of the Papistes seeing hée promiseth health and recouerie vnto the diseased whereas the Papistes neuer ministred it but vnto them of whose bodely health it is dispaired although our Reasoner say that many times it healeth the bodie Therefore it is manifest that Saint Iames speaketh of an extraordinarie gift of healing which was in the Church by annointing with ●…yle as the Euangelist also doeth witnesse The third benefite that is saide to be lost by going