phrase addeth a dignitie to the sacrament but changeth not the nature of the sacrament to terme the visible signe by the name of the thing signified as circumscision is called the couenaunt the Lambe is called the Pasâ—ouer In Baptisme iâ— called the fountaine of â—egeneration and bread Christs bodie and yet in deed th y are but outward signes and to the faithfull onely seales graâ—â—d by the holie Ghost with the names of the things they represent and confirme the more to 〈◊〉 me and stiâ—â—e vp oâ—r affections and to edge our zeale with a religious preparation to receiue the same and to life vp our hearts and soules by faith to behold consider and feed vpon Christ crucified the thing signified Yet for your further satisfaction I will intreat Augustine to aunswere you doubt who saith (a) Aug. epistol 22. ad bonifatium Si enim sacramenta quandam similitudinem â—arum rerum quarum sacramenta sunt non haberent omnino sacramenta non essent ex hac autem similitudine plerunque etiam ipsarum rerum nomina accipiunt Sicut ergo secundum quendam modum sacramentum corporis Christs corpus Christs est sacramentum sanguinis Christs sanguis Chriâ—ti est ita sacramentum fides fides est In English thus If the Sacrament had not some certaine similitude and likenesse of the things whereof they be Sacraments they should be no Sacraments at all And of this similitude manie times they haue the names of those things themselues as the Sacrament of the bodie of Christ is after a certaine manner the bodie of Christ and the sacrament of his bloud is after a certaine maner his bloud So the Sacrament of faith or Baptisme is faith Out of which wee may note first they are but Sacraments or similitudes of the thing signified not the things themselues secondlie that bread wine are the bodie bloud of Christ bâ—â— secundum quendam modum after a certaine maner and shewes how by an example as the Sacrament of faith is faith so the Sacrament of Christs body is Christs bodie but the Sacrament of faith is not faith naturallie substantiallie by a chaunge of substance for by chaunge of qualitie or vse therefore the Saâ—â—â—t of Christs bodie is not chaunged into the â—â—â—tance of Christs bodie but onely in qualitie and â—â—se is Theodores saith in his first dialogue Theodoret dialog 2. cap. 24 pag 113. dialog 1. cap. 8. pag. 54. read them I pray you not changing nature but adding grace vnto nature And the â—â—â—e Father in his second dialogue explaines this more plainly saying the misticall signes after sanctifâ—cation Non recedunt a sua natura manere enim in pure substantia figura c. they depart not from theâ— nature but remaine in their former substance 〈◊〉 figure may be seene touched as before Out of which auncient learned Father I obserue these necessarie points for the Catholickes instruction and your confutation First he saith Post sanctificationem Consecration vnknovvn to Theodor. therefo e it is a new terme The change is in the name honour and vse not in the nature Father ansvvere this fâ—str or confesse the truth after sanctification then your new comed terme of consecration was not known in the Church of God but sanctification and benediction Secondly I note cut of this father that though the Sacraments haue gotten a new diuine qualitie yet they haue not lost their nature they had before as you vntrulie teach Thâ—rdlie I obserue that he confuted by the example of bread and wine in the Sacrament certaine Heretickes who held that Christs bodie was changed into his deitie after his ascention for this is the Fathers proofe against those heretickes That as bread and wine are trulie bread and wine after sanctification as they were before sanctification euen so is Christs bodie as trulie a bodie now after his ascention as it was before his ascention So now the Priests of new Rome cannot say that the bread and wine haue lost their true natures and properties in the Lords supper after sanctification vnlesse then will also say with the Heretickes that Christ hath lost the nature of a true bodie now after his ascention And Chrisostomâ— seconds Theodores saying Ante Sanctificationem 〈◊〉 â—sost ad Caesarium Monach Mark this well yet Preists Iesuets c. Before it he sanctified we cal it bread buâ— the deuine gracâ— once sanctifying it by the ministrie of the Priest it â— deliuered from the name of bread and counted worthy to be called the Lords body though the nature oâ— bread continue there still Out of which I note 〈◊〉 the father calles it sanctification not consecration Secondly it is called bred before sanctification is breaâ— in nature after sanctification Aâ—d lâ—rdly after sanctificatioÌ„ it is called the Lords body yet it is not the â—ord body in deede because the nature of bread remaine And therefore in that it is calld the Lords body it muâ—â— be so Sacramentally figuraâ—â—uâ—ly improperly And Gelasius your owne Pope whom you dare not contradict such plainely Noâ— defiant esse substantia panis 〈◊〉 natura vini What can you saie to thâ—se pregnaâ—te proofes to satisfie the doubtfull catholiques There scaceth not to be the substance oâ— bread and the nature of wine But you here will obtrude your oulde slanderous obiection that we accepâ— of the Sacraments no better then bare figures No we acknowledge a change and an alteration but not oâ— the substance but of the vse Is not this a maruelous change wrought by the holy Ghost in the due administration of the Lords supper according to Christ Institution that of commen bread and wine such as daily we feede our bâ—â—ches with is made the dreadefull and reuerend misteries of Christ crucified where by we neither looke vppon the bare naked elements as common creatures but as sanctified food And in such sort that even as the bâ—ead doth nourish our bodies and the wine doth comfort our spirits so trulie reallie and vnfainedlie doth the heavenlie food of his bodie crucified and his bloud shed for our sinnes by faith in the time of the holie Supper feede and nourish our soules into everlasting life and so is made and sealed our reall coniunction with Christ not by his bodilie and locall discention into our stomackes but by 〈◊〉 spirituall ascention to him by faith This is our â—â—nne touching these figuratiue propositions warâ—ed by Scriptures Clem. Alex Theod August with many not neuer heard of consecration but of santification Benedection and witnessed by the auncientest â—thers Hitherto hath beene plainly and directlie â—ooved that your two propositions bee figuratiue 〈◊〉 proper Secondlie that the substances of bread 〈◊〉 â—ime remain after coÌ„secration therfore there can 〈◊〉 no such carnall presence of Christ by Transubstantation vnder the formes of bread and wine as 〈◊〉 deeme Now I am come to your two maine pilâ— that support vnderprop your carnall
speech nor difficultie in sence but that the simplest may know Christs meaning You should haue begunne at the 23. verse and so to the end of the 29. verse and that had been plaine dealing Christs institution penned by Paul delivers vs foure observations First Christ his action Secondlie Christes precept Thirdlie Christs promise Fourthlie Christes caution 1 Christes action He gaue thankes brake bread tooke the cup c. 2. Christes precept 1. Take yee eate yee 2. This do as often as yee drinke it and both in rememberance of me 3. The minister must shewe and preach the Lords death till he come 3. Christes proudâ—e 1. This is my body which is broken for you 2. This is the new Testament in my bloud 4. Christes caution or caveat Whosoever â—hall eate this bread or drinke this cup vnvvorthelie shall bee guiltie of the bodie and bloud of the Lord. Thus you see plainlie without anie dismemb ing or curtalling Christs action precept promise caution delivered out of the text Out of which place I obserue for the Catholickâ— better instruction and your confutation two things against you in this your skipping and curtalling of thâ— text First the comforts you conceale from them by this mangling of the text Secondlie the errours you still hold them in in concealing the most part of thâ— text first by following your Latten translation neglecting the holie tongue the Greeke wherein the holie Ghost pend this institution You traâ—slate Whicâ— shall be delivered for you for which is broken for you Ouâ— of which I note first you change the tense that is in the Greeke that is the present tense for so wee haue it and you follow the Latten translation which is the future tense Euallage and therefore not so comfortable Christ vseth a sweet figure of the time present for the time to come to assure our soules and consciences that whatsoever Christ promiseth is as surelie to bee performed in his appointed time as if it were alreadie done And this tense Christ vsed to take all doubts from his disciples who in respect of their vnworthinesse might iustlie haue doubted that Christ would not haue died and shed his precious bloud for them they being such vnprofitable servants and miserable sinners But to take away that doubt from them and the Church now hee assures both that whatsoever is promised by him is as sure to be done as if it were alreadie done And this staieth Christs Church and everie perticular member of the same from distrusts doubts grudgings c. in and vnder their severall crosses because they know there is a ioyfull Iubile and freedome for them purchased and prepared and shall as surelie be accomplished as if now it weere performed Now your altring of this particle is depriveth vs of all this comfort Againe you following still your corrupt Latten translation say delivered for you wheras you should say as the Greeke is and as Christ saith Broken for you for this word broken is more Emphatical and piercing then delivered for it is one thing for a man to be delivered or to be betraied for me another thing to be broken in peeces for me Out of this I obserue first the greatnesse of my sinne secondlie the kindnes and exceeding loue of my Saviour In the first that Christs birth and life though both innocent was not sufficient to cleanse my sinne In the second Christ would vndergoe shamefull buffets on the face pricking of thornes vpon his head piercing nailes into his hands and feete a bloudie speare into his blessed side before mans sinne could bee satisfied Gods wrath appeased Sathan death and hell conquered this our living Christ would haue his bodie broken for vs he would not leaue one sigh in his soule for our sâ—kes nor one drop of bloud in his bodie vnshed for our sinnes These comforts are expressed by this word broken which are not nor can be gathered by this word delivered Another comfort is concealed from the Catholickes in omitting the 25. verse in these words The newe Testament in my bloud Math. 25.40 Heb. 2.12.13.17 Ioh. 10.27 Out of which everie man may gather these comforts to himselfe by particular application First that I am not a straunger to Christ but one of his younger brethren and not onelie well knowne vnto him but also as well beloved of him which appeareth in this that hee did not onelie remember me in his last will but also most freelie and liberallie bequeached vnto my soule and bodie most precious Legacies where wee may finde them registred most safelie kept in Gods booke and daylie pronounced in our Creed as remission of sinnes of both guilt punishment peace of conscience in this life at the latter day rising of my bodie from death and dust afterwards life eternall both to soule and bodie These Legacies be bequeathed and contained in this Testament which he hath not onely sealed outwardlie with Sacraments but also inwardlie with his bloud by faith to assure vs of the performance of his promise and therefore he addeth in me bloud so that all other Testaments Wils Bâ—ls or Pardons which are not sealed with Christs bloud but with lead or wax are but counterfeit labels stâ—â—cht to Christs testament by some false forgeries of pâ—â—ured Nâ—â—â—ies wherin they doe falselie promisâ— remission of sinnes and the kingdome of heaven Acts 5.3 These deceivers must be told as Peter told Ananias Why hath Sathan fild thy heart that thou shouldest lie not onelie vnto men but also vnto the holie Ghost In Ananias heart there was a wicked conceit in his practises a wicked deceit and for his reward a suddaine dâ—ath You Chaplens of the Pope doe tell the poore people many waies to haue remission of their sinnes besides Christes Testament and Christes bloud which I will deliver particularlie if I be vrged but you are deceived and so you deceiue them and because you would keepe them still blinde that they should neither see your deceit nor their owne daunger therefore you kept this comfortable clause from them The new Testament in my bloud without which there is neither remission of sins nor saving of soules Another comfort you conceale from the devout meditation of everie good Christian which is In rememberance of me Suetonius Plutach We read in histories after Iulius Caesar was slaine Marcus Anthonius made an Oration to the people of Rome in which he shewed Caesars loue and pointed out verie Rhetoricallie Caesars bountie to them while he lived but in the heat of his speech he made a pause and shewed theÌ„ Caesars robes sprinkled with his princelie bloud shed by the bloudie hand of his cruell and malicious enemies which when the Cittiezens sawe remembring hâ—s loâ—e presentlie they ranne vpon the murtherers and slew them Did the Cittizens of Rome being Pagans revenge Caesars death vppon his enemies onelie remembring his loue and liberalitie Then with what Christian courage and spirituall manhood ought we that
can you prooue that Christs holie bloud is but an effect of your consecration or benediction of the cup If Christs bloud bee an effect of your cup benediction then your cup benediction is the cause of Christs holie bloud O hellish and damnable divinitie as if a sinfull ignorant Priest could by his magicall consecration make the holie bloud of Christ my Saviour which was shed on the crosse for my sinnes Now Catholicks looke to your selues I mean to your soules You cannot prooue it either by scripture or fathers for this is the doctrine of Rome and Rhemes fitteâ— to be taught in hell by fiendes then maintained in earth by Priests Fifthlie and lastlie by what scripture do you prooue nay by what auncient Father that this blessing or thanksgiving is referred to the cup or challice and not vnto God scriptures you haue none and fathers of the first sixe hundred yeareâ— never heard of it And that the Catholickes may leâ— the antiquitie and veritie of this out doctrine and thâ— noveltie and heresie of yours I will onelie producâ— but two learned Fathers with vs against you forbeare to alleadge the rest till you giue mee furtheâ— occasion Chrys super 1 Cor. 10. Chrysostome vpon this place calleth it the cuppe oâ— blessing because when we haue it in our hands wâ—â—â— admiration and a certaine horror of that vnspeakableâ— gift we praise and blesse him because he hath sh d hâ—â— bloud that we should not remaine in error and hath not onelie shed it but made vs all partakers of it 〈◊〉 like sort did Photius and Oecumenius expounde thiâ— word Photius Occumenâ—us which vvee blesse which having in our handes blesse him which hath graciously given vs his bloud tâ—at is we giue him thanks or which we prepare when we blesse or giue thankes Now the Catholickes may see by the auncient fathers whom your selues doe brag of that they condemne your cup blessed exposition And the Catholickes may see as in a glasse that wee ioine with the scriptures and fathers in the true sence of these words The cup vvhich vve blesse and that your exposition iâ— erronious and superstitious and therefore to be recâ—nted by you and shunned by the Catholickes and my reasons be drawne out of the foresaid fathers not made on my owne fingers 1 Fi st he saith that benediction blessing or thanksgiving is referred to him that shed his bloud for vs I hope you will not say the cup shed anie bloud for vs. 2 Secondlie this father saith that blessing God and praising God is all one and therefore when we say the cup of thanksgiving we follow Christ Paul the Greek text and the olde fathers And when you translate it The challice of benediction it is flat contrarie to Christ Paul veritie and antiquitie And there is as great difference betwixt your opinion and the old fathers faith is betwixt praising with mouth and crossing with fingers nay as much as betwixt your superstitious challice and our soule-saving Christ for so if you marke the fathers words the difference stands The text it selfe offers vs three things in a comfortable distinction and you would confound them with your new imagined transubstansiation 1 The first is Christs bodie crucified and his bloud shed with all his purchased benefits 2 Secondlie our communion fellowship which all beleevers haue in that crucified Christ and those soule saving merits 3 Thirdly the outward seals of those benefits which are called the cup vvhich vve blesse and the bread which â—â—e breake to witnesse to the world and to confirme to our selues the fruition and possession of all those benefits Now if I should say that the bread cup being outward seals were our coÌ„munion with Christ the wicked would laugh at my folly though the godly would pittie my ignorance in the trueth or my malice against the trueth and the reason is this because the seal be things outward and the communion of Christs bodie and bloud be things inward the one sensible the other spirituall and intellectuall as much difference it betwixt them as there is betwixt outward and inward sensible and intellectuall so much difference there is betwixt the outward seals of Christs body and bloud and his bodie and bloud And if the seales cannot be changed into the communion of Christs bodie and bloud but remaine st ll in their severall natures and substances everie one performing his severall distinct office much lesse can they be reallie and substantiallie changed into Christs bodie and bloud which are things more remote but mosâ— impossible And if you had added the next verse thâ— Apostle had made it plaine in shewing you a doubtâ— communion sealed in this Sacrament The first our coÌ„munion with Christ and his benefits The second ouâ— communion amongst our selues 1. Soli. which both are proper onely to gods church 2. Omni. to euery one of gods church and all waies to gods Church 3. Jemper Now let the learned Iudge whether you or we misconster scripture wrest fathers deceaue Christs flocke and the Queenes subiects peruerte the true meaning of this Text. And now to the next Catholick a Priests This councell consils of 318. fathers The second Proofe by Councells and Fathers Concilium Nicen cap 14. Anno 363. No rule or custome doth permittae that they which haue not the authority to offer the sacrifice should giue it to theâ— that offer the bodie of Christe Rider GEntelmeÌ„ you are possessed with a threefold erroâ— which is the cause wheÌ„ you read the scriptures Councells fathers you misunderstand theÌ„ your first error is wheÌ„ you vnderstand that spoken of the outward Elements with these three Sophisticall points you peruert all the fathers you bring for this purpose deceue the Catholickes which is meant of the inward invisible grace Your second error is wheÌ„ you referre that to the visible partes of the bodie which they intended to the inuisible powers of the minde and soule Thirdlie your former two errors beget a third eror which is your mistaking the state of our questioÌ„ And so wheras you should proue the maner of Christs presence in the Sacraments you offer to proue the matter but of that we haue spoken before Thus if you will reade the scripturs fatheres Councells with these .3 cautions or derectioÌ„s you shall easily see how farre thus longe you haue gone from the truth and misled the Queenes subiects Now with Gods permission wee will proceed to the â—e examination of your proofe as it is alledged out of your owne Colen print Ex officina Iohannis Quinâ—d Typographi Anno Domini 1561. which you cannot denie it is in the first Tome and the fourteenth Chapter and the two hundreth fiftie fiue page of the first edition and the Chapter beginnes thus Peruenit ad sanctum Concilium quod in lociâ— quibusdam ciuitaâ—â—us presbyteris Sacramenta Diaconi porrigant Then followes your fraction verie abruptlie
in the midst of a sentence Hoc neque regula neque consuetudo c. The sacred Councell is aduertized that in certaine places and Citties the Deaâ—ons doe reach and giue the sacraments to the Priests al this you leaue out and then followes your weake warrant Noe rule or custome doth permite c. I praie you what one word of this prooues your Carnall presence Let me knowe it for my learning and the Catholickes better Instruction if you would gather out of this word Sacrifice then you are deceued for that Councell in another place calles it Sacrificium Eucharisticum a Sacrifice of praise thanksgiuing not propitiatorie And if out of these wordes The bodie of Christ the councell expounds their meaning in that which you omitte and purposely conceale when they call that Sacrifice and the bodie of Christ by the name of Sacraments giuen by the Deacons to the priests for the Deacons deliuered them after Consecration to the priestes and still were Sacramenta Sacraments not the bodie or bloud of Christ made of bread wine by the Priest for the Sacrament and Christs bodie differ as much as the lambe the Passover circumcisioÌ„ the couenant the washing of new birth regeneratioÌ„ for the one is the outward seal the other the inward grace and here is another error of yours of the second and third kinde in referring that to the mouth which is proper to our faith and still mistaking the matter for the manner Catho Priests Concilium Ephesiuum in Epist. ad Nestorium Wee approach to the misticall benedictions and we are sanctified And this had 200. Fathers being partakers of the holie bodie and precious bloud of Christ THis your proofe is trulie quoted pag. 535. the Epistle beginneth thus Religioso Deo amabilâ— consacerdoti Nostorio Rider Cyrillus c. The Councell calleth it a misticall benediction no miraculous transubstansiation And this neither prooues your opininion nor disprooues ours for you say yee are made partakers of the holie bodie and precious bloud of Christ and so say we but you say with the late church of Rome that you are made partakers of that holie bodie and precious bloud by your mouth teeth throat and stomacke And we sey with Scriptures fathers and the old Church of Rome that we are made partakers of Christs bodie and bloud by the hand mouth and stomack of our soules which is a liuelie faith in Christ crucified as you haue heard before And thus you referre that to the visible parts of the bodie as your mouth teeth and stomacke which the scriptures and fathers meant of the invisible powers of the soule as our Euelâ—e he faith being the spirit all hand mouth and stomacke thereof And heere is your errour of the second k nde And so your two testimonies out of those two Councels are proofes neither proper nor pertinent brought onelie to dazell the eies of the simâ—le and oâ—mâ—â—e the minds of the weake But I referâ—e the the baâ—nesse of youâ— curse and the weaknesse of your proofâ—s nay your disproofes to the censure of the indifferent Reader Onelie giving the Reader this note by the way that these Councels were called by the Emperour not by the Pope nay the Pope was not president in these Councel but other Bishops chosen by the Emperour And in the Councell of Nice the Popes Legat had but the fourth roome no better account was made of him For in deed he then was no Pope but an Archbishop Thus the Reader may see that these Councels be against you And now to your testimonieâ— out of the fathers The flesh is fed by the bodie and bloud of Christ Catholick Priests Tertullian de resurrectione caruis floruit 200. that the soule might be fat in God OVt of this thus you frame an argument as sometimes an old Romane friend of yours did to maintaine your carnall presence The soule â—led by that which the bodie eateth Rider but the soule is sed by the flesh of Christ therefore the bodie eateth the flesh of Christ in the Sacrament I might as fitlie invert this argument vpon you as â—learned man of our side once inverted it saying As the soule feeds vpon Christ so doth the bodie but the soule is fed by faith therefore the bodie is fed by faith which is verie absurd and improper yet as partinent and as proper as yours And heere you should remember the olde distinction of the fathers spoken of before The Sacrament is one thing and the matter of the sacrament is another thing Outwardlie the bodie eateth the sacrament and inwardly the soule by faith feeds on the body of Christ As in Baptisme the flesh is washed by water as that old father saith in that place that the soule may be purged spirituallie so our bodies eate the outward Sacrament that the soule may be fed of God Againe it 〈◊〉 not generall is true that whatsoever the bodie eateth the soule is fed by the same And if you would propound but particularlie this instance of eating oneliâ— in the Sacrament then the argument proven nothinâ— standing vpon meere perticulers Moreouer the bodie and soule are fed by the samâ—â—ear in the sacrament but not after the same manner For the bodie is nourished by the naturall propertie of the Elements which they haue to nourish But thâ— soule by the sacramentall and supernaturall power aâ— they are signes and scales of heavenlie graces Anâ— we graunt that the soule is sed by the precious bodiâ— and bloud of Christ but not after a carnall maner aâ— you say but spiritualitie by saith Againe a mean Scholler in Gods booke may seâ— this phrase is figuratiue and therefore the sence spirituall For how can a soule be sat in God will yeâ— say it is a corporall fatnesse such as is proper to bodies I thinke yee will not I know you should not then this place is in pertine pille brought neither savoring of sence â—orâ—nâ—reable to that you alleadge it Foâ— if you would haue read the same Father in the samâ— booke following be would haue told you so for saitâ— he the word which was made flesh which is Christ Devorandus est 〈◊〉 page 47 printed 〈◊〉 paâ—â—â— 1580. â—uminandus intellellâ— f de aspereâ—â—â— This Lord Christ must be swallowed whole by heauing must be meditated vpon of remembred by vnderstanding digested by faith Now you see Tertullian of your owne Parts print aunsweres you expâ—nnâ—s himselfe And seeing no man can better expound Tertullian his meaning then Tertullian himselfe therefore haue brought him from your owne Catholicke Presse of Paris to condemne all Iesuits and Priest that sh ll set a litterall sâ—nce vppon an allegorâ—â—ll phrase onelie to deceiue the simple plaine Catholicks and to abuse the godlie learned Fathers by an ignoraâ—â— and foâ—tish construction And now to the rest of youâ— proofes that follow And in bless vs his flesh to eate and his bloud to drinke Catholicke
pleaseth the Priest And therefore as she said Iudaicas fabelas repellamus let vs cast away Jewish fables So in Gods name for the loue of Gods trueth and of the peoples salvation cast yee from you all Munkish fables and forged legends that haue misled the people into this blinde superstition and ioyne with vs to teach Christs precious flocke the old Apostolicall and Catholicke religion commaunded in Gods word practised in the primitiue Church that you with vs and we with you and all in the Lord may now in this plentifull vintage so labour in the Lords vinyard his Church according to our talents received that every one of vs may deliver his talent with advantage of manie soules and then we shall be partakers of that sweet saying Well done then good and faithfull servant enter into thy maisters ioy Which God graunt to vs both And so to the next as followeth Catholicke Priests The mediator betvvixt God and man Iesus Christ vvith faithfull heart and mouth vve receiue August contra Aduersar legis prophetarum cap. 9. floruit 430. giving vs his flesh to eate and his bloud to drinke Although it seeme more horrible to eate the flesh of man then to kill and to drinke the bloud of man then to shee l it AVgustine writing against that pestilent adversarie of the Law and Prophets who obiected that because Abraham by adulterie with Agar brake the Law therefore either the Law was not good Rider or else the vniversall promise made to God by Abraham was of none effect Paris print page 264. confuting him by scriptures and reasons telleth him that the promise was made in Isaack not in Ismaeli and disprooveth him for disliking such figures similitudes and comparisons as it hath pleased the holie Ghost to vse for the plaine expressing of the neere vnion and coniunction that is betwixt Christ and his Church And saith what wilâ— this pestilent adversarie say when hee heareth Pauâ— speake they shall be two in one flesh he will scorne and deride it Ephe. 5. But it is a great misterie spoken of Christ and his Church For saith Augustine we vnderstand by the two sonnes of Abraham and the two mothers two Testaments though in respect of times and ceremonies divers but in respect of the substance all one and the same And also by the neere vnion and coniunction betwixt man and wife we vnderstand our naturall vnion with Christ and that without anie obscenitie or absurditie mangre the beards of the adversarie Then followes your proofe even in the middest of a sentence verie vntowardlie I will not say negligentlie And yet you omit one word Sicut which though it be small in shew yet it is in this place of great consequence For as you alleadge Augustine it is nothing material to confute the adversarie of Gods grace Thus Augustine speaketh and so you should haue said Sicut mediatorem Dei hominum as the mediator betwixt God and man c. And thus after your wonted manner you leaue out the point materiall begin in the middle of a sentence leaving out beginning and ending neither respecting what went before whereof wherefore he spake the thing nor what followeth after to prooue disprooue the thing so spoken of And this your neglecting the coherence makes you faile in the sence and inâ—erence For this word Sicut which you leaue out sheweth plainlie that it is a similitude and I hope you know that similitue be no Sillogismes And as there was no oâ—â—â—eritie or absurditie in the similitude of mâ—â—â—â—â—â— they tâ—â—â—â— shall be one flesh so in liâ—â— case heâ—â— iâ— no absurditie or inhumaine Caniballisme in this similitude of the Sacrament vsed to expresse our vnion with Christ for though it seem more horrible to eate the flesh of man then to kill man and to drinke his bloud then to shed it yet we without horror or absurditie eat the flesh and drinke the bloud of the Mediator betwixt God man Iesus Christ And if the adversarie in Augustines time or you Romanists now would know how this may bee so done without slaughter of Christ sinne to our soules or offence to the world Augustine tells you in that place fideli cordi ore with a faithfull heart and mouth So that now you see Agustines scope and your drift cleane contrarie the one to the other for Augustine brings it as a similitude to expresse our spirituall vnion with Christ by faith you wrest it as spoken of the corporall and gutturall eating and drinking of Christs bodie and bloud in the Sacrament vnder the formes of bread and wine with our mouths and stomackes Manie places you haue vnfitlie in deed vntrulie alleadged yet shewed in none of them lesse learning and true meaning then in this For this is your great fault that wheresoever you see or heare in Scripture Father Councell or historie Corpus sanguinem Domini or such like words or phrases presentlie you inferre and so perswade the Catholicks that there is Christs carnal presence in the Sacrament never examining the circumstance of the place or the end wherefore they bee alleadged And thus you erre not knowing or wilfullie contemning the state of the question the sence of the holie writ and iudgement of the auncient Fathers I am sure you never read this place of Augustine your selfe but snatcht it out of some late ignorant and foolish ydle Munkish or Franciscan Euchiridien And my reason why I thinke so of you is drawen out of Augustine himselfe For a few lines before this your proofe he calleth the Sacraments Sacra signa holie signes not the things themselues as you doe and so distinguisheth that which you confound And within three lines after your proofe if you would haue read him you should haue heard him record to your great discredit in this case that this your proofe is as other former examples are figurare dictum secundum sacrae fides regulam that it is spoken figuratiuelie according to the rule of sound faith and religion August in his place as in the places formerly alledged is against you still Now let the Reader iudge betwixt you and mee whether of vs is in the right Augustine saith the Sacraments be sacra signa holie signes and so say wee But you Iesuiets and Priests say no they be the things themselues Augustine saith it is spoken figuratiuelie and so say we you say no but properlie Augustine saith that this opinion is squâ—red out for patterne to Christs Church by the straight rule of sound faith and so say we and as you alleadge your prrofe you say no make a flat opposition betwixt Augustines saith and your faith And yet you will brag of Fathers and that they all speake on your side and you all follow their sayings when they neither speake for you nor you imitate them And so though we follow scripture fathers primitiue Church yet you call vs hereticks And you that
Protestants be of your opinion touching your reall presence or else that there is aâ—iarie amongst our selues touching the same And because few of you haue read Luther as appeareth by your omissions transpositions and your imperfect translation and therefore in this point know not exactlie the difference betwixts your selues Luther and vs I will plainlie and trulie set downe the three severall opinions touching this question that the Reader may see wherin the differnce one from another on agreement one with another consisteth The manner Christ willing shall bee by question and aunswere as followeth Questi 1 1. Question WHat is given in the Lords Supper beside bread and wine Aunsw 1 1 Aunsvvere First you say the bodie and bloud of Christ Secondlie Luther saith the bodie and bloud of Christ Thirdlie we say the bodie and bloud of Christ Questi 2 2 Quest How is Christs bodie and bloud given in the sacrament Aunsw 2 2 Auns You say corporallie Luther saith corporallie We say with scriptures and fathers spirituallie Questi 3 3 Quest In what thing is Christs bodie and bloud given Aunsw 3 3 Auns You say vnder the formes or accidents oâ— bread the substance being quite chaunged the accidents onelie remaining Luther saith in with or vnder the bread neither substance nor accidents changed but both remaining We with scriptures and fathers say Christs bodie and bloud are given in his mercifull promise which tendereth whole Christ with all his benefites vnto the soule of man sealed and assured vnto vs in the worthie receiving of the sacraments Questi 4 4. Quest Hâ—w must Christs bodie and bloud bee received Aunsw 4 4 Aun You say with the mouth Luther saith with the mouth and faith Wee say according to the holie scriptures that Christ must be received by faith and there loâ—ge dâ—ell in our hearts for whatsoever Christ giues by promise must of man be received by faith Questi 5 5 Quest To what part of man is Christes bodie and bloud given Aunsw 5 5 Auns You say to your bodies which is absurd Luther saith both to bodie soule which is impossible We say to our souleâ— for the promise is spirituall the things promised spirituall the meanes to receiue them spirituall so the place into which it must bee received must needs be spirituall not corporall not that the substance of Christs bodie is vnited to our spirits but that those precious benefits purchased for vs in the crucified bodie of Christ must be vnited to our spirits by faith This doctrine is Apostolicall sound and Catholicke vppon which wee boldlie may venture our soules and salvations â— Quest To whom is Christs bodie and bloud given Questi 6 â— Auns You say to the godlie or godlesse beleevers Aunsvv 6 and infidels as hath been aboue said Luther saith both to the godlie and godlesse 〈◊〉 say onelie to the godlie beleevers as heeretofore hath been prooved â— Quest What doe the wicked eate in the Lords supper Questi 7 â— Auns You say accidents of bread and Christs bodie Aunsw 7 Luther saith the wicked eat bread both substance and accidents and the bodie of Christ also We say the wicked eaâ—e nothing in the Lords supper but bare bread and drinke nothing but meere wine being the outward elements of the sacrament As for the inward grace of the Sacrament which is Christ crucified with all his merits they eate not they receiue not because they haue neither a liuelie faith to receiue him nor a purified heart by faith to intertaine him And therefore they onelie eate as â—udas did and as Augustine said Tract 59. super Iohn page 205. Illi manducaâ—ant paâ—em Dominum illi paâ—em Domini contra Dominum The godlie eate bread the Lord the wicked onelie the bread of the Lord against the Lord. â— Quest What is it to eate Christs bodie Questi 8 â— Auns You say carnallie to eate Christs flesh with Aunsw 8 your bodilie mouth c. Luther saith carnallie to eate Christs flesh and spirituallie to beleeue in him Wee say with the Scriptures that to beleeue that all Christs merits are ours and purchased for vs in his passion This is to eat Christs bodie as hath been alreadie prooved Questi 9 9 Quest What is it to drinke Christs bloud Aunsw 9 9 Auns You say carnallie to drinke his bloud Luther saith carnallie and spirituallie We say with the scriptures it is to beleeue that Christs bloud was shed on the crosse for our sinnes Questi 10 10 Quest How is bread made Christs bodie Aunsw 10 10 You say by Transubstansiation Luther saith by Consubstansiation We say by appellation signification or representation as aforesaid Questi 11 11 Quest. Where is Christs bodie Aunsw 11 11 Auns You say everie where Both of you erre for then Christ should not haue a true bodie Luther saith every where We say according to Scripture and Creed onelie in heaven Quest 12 12. Quest How is Christ every where Aunsw 12 12. Auns You say according to both natures But both of you speak Monkerie P perie Luther saith according to both natures But both of you speak Monkerie P perie We say with Scriptures and Fathers as hath been proved onely according to his Godhead Now gentle Reader you see the agreement difference that is betwixt the Papists Lutherans and Protestants And how impertinentlie I will not say vnscholler like this is brought against vs which neither helpeth their carnall presence nor hurteth our faith touching Christs spirituall presence And now to the â—â—st that followeth Amongst factions of opinions Catho Priests Magdeburg in Epist ad Eliz. Anglia Reg. Rider some latelie take avvay the bodie and bloud of Christ touching his reall presence contrarie to the most plaine most evident and puissant vvords of Christ GEntlemen this concerneth not vs it may fitter be inverted vpon your selues for we denie not Christs spirituall presence taught in the Scriptures and received in Christs Primitiue Church but we denie your imagined carnall presence never recorded in Gods booke nor beleeved of auncient father nor ever knowne to Christs spouse the Primitiue Church as you haue heard trulie prooved But this is your great fault vsuallie practised that whether in Scriptures or Fathers you heare of Christs bodie and bloud and his presence or reall presence you imagine presently without further examination that it is your carnall presence which thing is growne vp with you from a private errour to a publike heresie Tyndall Frith Barnes Cranmer left it as a thing indifferent to beleeue the reall presence Catho Priests So that the adoration saith Frith be taken avvay because there then remaineth no poison Fox in Marâ—yrel Kemnitius in Exam. Conc. â—rid contra â—â—n de Fâ— châ—ristia vvhereof anie ought to be afraid of Yet Kemnitius vpon the assurance of the reall presence approoveth the custome of the Church in adoring Christ in the Sacrament by the authoritie of Saint Augustine and S. Ambrose in Psal 98.
Christs owne words to prooue that your round Wafer-cakes vpon your supposed hallâ— wed Altars are not that true bread Christs flesh which Christ heere speakes of 1. OccasioÌ„ The question vvas mooued by some Bellie-gods that tasted of Christs banquet bountie in feeding fiue thousand men vvith fiue loaues and tvvo fishes vvhether Moses or Christ vvere the more excellent and liberall in feeding men 1 FIrst they commend Moses from the greatnesse of hâ— place and person being Gods Lieutenant to conduct Israel out of Egypt 2 Secondly they commend their Manna from the place whence it came which was the heavens as they supposed 3 Thirdly they commend the bread from the vertue of it which was it fed their Fathers in the drie sandie and barren wildernesse and saved them from famine therfore they thoght that no man was greater theÌ„ Moses no bread to be compared with Manna Now Christ by way of opposition and comparison confutes them opposing God to Moses and himselfe to Manna 1 First denieth that Moses was the given of that Manna but that God was the authour Moses onely the Minister 2 Secondlie that it came not from the eternall kiâ—gdome of God which is properlie called heaven but from the visible clouds improperly called heaven 3 Thirdlie Christ denieth Manna to bee the true bread because it onelie preserved life temporall but could not giue it but this bread Christ doeth not onelie giue life corporall but also l fe spiritual in the kingdome of grace life eternall in the kingdome of glorie 4 Fourthlie this bread Manna ceased when they came into Canaan and 〈◊〉 no more bee found but this bread Christ doth feed vs â—eere in this earthlie wildernesse Iosua 5.12 and raignes for ever with his triumphant Church in our everlasting glorious Canaan the kingdome of heaven 5 This bread Manna so all corporall meates when they haue fed the bodie they haue performed their office they perish without yeelding profit to the sâ—â—e but this bread of life Christ is the true bread Ioh. 6.54 which once beeing received into the soule doth not onelie assure and giue vnto it eternall life but also 〈◊〉 the bodie like assurance of resurection salvation so that the soule must first feed on Christ before the body can haue any benefit by Christ contrarie to your doctrine which is that the bodie must first feed on Christ carnally then the soule shal be thereby fed spiritual ie And because they were so addicted in Moses time to Manna in Christs time to his miraculous loaues respecting the feeding of their bodies not the feeding of their soules Th refore Christ deborted them from food corporall to food spirituall Ioh. 6.27 Labor not saith he for the meat that perisheth but for the meat that endureth to euerlasting life which the sonne of man shall giue vnto you c. And thus much touching the occasion why Christ is saide to bee the true bread of life which as farre excelled Manna as the soule the bodie life death eternitie time and heaven earth 3 Point NOw let vs see according to which of Christ natures hâ— is called out living Bread whether according to his manhood or godhead or bâ—th Christ calls this b ead his flesh and Christ his flâ—sh are al one therefore Christ his flesh are all onâ— the same breâ—â— as our bodies are fed with material brâ—â—d so are our soules fed with the flesh of Christ this flesh hee will giâ—e for the life of the world wâ—â—ch flesh is not Christ bodie separated from his sonâ—e as some of you imagine and vntruelie teach not Christs bodie and soule separated from his divinitie but even his quickning flesh which being personally vnited to his eternall sâ—irit was by the same given for the life of the world not corporaâ—lie and really in the Sacrament as you vntruly teach But in the sacrifice of his bodie and bloud once oâ— the crosse as the Scriptures â—ccord for the flesh of Christ profiteth not but as it is made quickning by the spirit Neither do we participate the life of his spirit but as it is communicated vnto vs by his flesh by which we are made flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as hath bâ—n shewed before Which holie misterie is represented vnto vs in the Sacrament of the Lords Supper and the trueth thereof assured and sealed in the due administration and receiving of the same So this true bread spoken of in the sixt of Iohn which hath this spirituall quickning and nourishing power iâ— compleate Christ God man with all his soule â—â—ving merits And neither Manna in the wildernesse nor your â—oâ—â—d Wafer-cakes vppon your supposed hallowed Altars Manna it could not be for it ceaâ—â—d manie hundred years before Your imagined and transnatured bread it could not bee because the Sacrament was not then instituted And 〈◊〉 to the third point The manner how this true bread Christ must be eaten THe meat is spirituall 3 Point and therefore the manner of eating must not bee corporall for such as is the meat such most be the mouth but the meat is spirituall therefore the mouth must be spirituall as before you haue heard Fide non dâ—nte In the epâ—stle to tâ— Reader c. which thing being there handled before out of holy Scr p ureâ— Fathers and your Popes Canons I will onelie referre you thither where you may vnlesse you bee maleconteâ—ts tâ— be fully satisfied touching the true manner of eating Christ where you may find proued out of Gods booke that comming to Christ beleeving in Christ abiding in Christ dwelling in Christ and to be clad with Christ and to eate Christ are all one so that out of everie one you might frame this or the like vnaunswerable argument Whosoever dwels in Christ and Christ in them Ioh. 6.5 35. onelie eates Christs flesh and drinkes Christs bloud B t the true bel evers onelie dwell in Christ and Christ in them therefore the true beleevers oneliâ— we Christs flesh and drinke Christs bloud The proposit on is Christs owne words Ioh. 6 56. Ephâ— 3.17 of which it were damnable to doubt The assumption is Pauls Let Christ dvvell in your hearts by faith therefore the conclusion cannot be denied And so to the fourth The fruit and profit that redoundes to the true eaters of this bread of life vvhich is Christ MAnie rich benefits we haue by eating Christ in the manner aforesaid that is 4 Point by apprehending applying and appropriating vnto vs whole Christ with his benefits I will onelie name one or two and referre you for the rest to the sixth of Iohn Ioh. 6 41.54.50.51 He that eateth this bread I will raise him vp at the last day to life concerning hiâ— bodiâ— and hee shall neuer die but liue for euer concerning his soule But an opposition being made betwixt this true bread Christ and this Sacramentall bread
Readers good I wil repeat they be these If the scripture seem to coÌ„mand any vile or ill fact the speech is figuratiue as Except yee eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his bloud you shall haue no life in you Facinus vel flagitium videtur tubere â—â—ther can use S. â—â—â—â—d or confess your erroâ— the â—â—â—st â—â—possâ—le the second were commendable Christ seemeth to commaund a wicked act that is carnallie and grosly to eate Christs flesh c. it is therefore a figuratiue speech So that Augustine thus reasons against you To eate Christs flesh and drinke Christs bloud corporallie is a hainous thing therefore Christs wordes be figuratiue so that if to eate Christes flesh with our mouths and teare his flesh with our teeth as also actually drinking of his bloud bee hainous and wicked why doe you so eagerly presse the litterall sence of theâ—e your two propositions against trueth against faith and the auncient Father â—ead it it coâ—taines but 6. or 7 lineâ— The marginall note there coâ—demes your litterall sence Agustine in that short 19. chap. of the same booke immediatly going before wisheth alwaies the interpretation of these and all other figuratiue speeches to be brought ad regnum charitatie to the kingdome of charitie to haue their true exposition Now if you expounde this litterallie and properlie you forsake Agustines rule charities kingdome and the Apostolicall and Catholike exposition It is but small charitie to devoure the food of a friend but to eate and devoure corporallie and gutâ—urallie the precious bodie and bloud of our Christ and Saviour Augustine would haue you catholicks but you wil bee Capernatis and Canibals it is no charitie Nay saith Augustine it is plaine impietie and a wicked and a most damnable fact And so to prooue the action lawfull the kingdome of charitie hath ever taken these and the like propositions to bee figuratiue and the sence to be spirituall Therefore if you will bee loyall subiects of charities kingdome shewe your subiection to her charitable and Catholicke exposition otherwise you will stand indited of spirituall and vncharitable rebellion Ambr. lib. 4 de Sacramentis cap. 5. Ambrose is of the same opinion with vs against you saying Fac nobit inquit oblationem ascriptam nationabilem acceptabilem quod est figura corporis sangaâ—â—is Domine nostri Iesu Christi make vnto vs saith the Priest this oblation that it may bee allowable reasonable and acceptable which is a figure of the bodie bloud of our Lord Iesus Christ And Ambrose presentlie after saith the new Testament is confirmed by bloud in a figure of which bloud wee receiue the misticall bloud By these words the Reader may see that Ambrose and the Church in his daies tooke it not for the naturall bodie of Christ but for a figure of his bodie and therefore cease to bragge heereafter to the simple of Ambrose and Augustine set they are not of your opinion (a) â—â—noâ— Papae lib. tartius cap 12. Fol 148 there shal you see the foolish and phantasticall reasons the Pope giues for those said crosses Aug. in enarratione Psal â— pag. 7. col 1. Printed at Paris anno 1586 And in the Canon of the Masse you haue these â—â—â—ds of Ambrose in that part which begins Quam oblationem but you deale deceitfully with Gods people for you leaue out these words quod est figura corporis and there dash in fine red crosses and still teach the people it is Catholicke doctrine and the old religion but these iuglings with the Fathers must be left or else good men that follow those Fathers will doubt that Gods spirit hath left you And Augustine elsewhere saith Christ commended â—â—d delivered to his disciples the figure of his body â—â—d bloud And Origin saith not the matter of bread but the words recited over it doth profit the worthy receiver this I speake saith he of the typicall figuratiue bodie which is in deede the Sacramentall bread Vpon the 15. of mathew Augustine confuting Adimautus the Hereticke that hold that the bloud in man was the onelie soule of man aunswered it was so figuratiuely August tom 6 contra Adâ—â— cap. 12. not otherwise and to prooue it he vseth this proposition of Christ Hoc est corpus meum this is my bodie saying Possum etiam interpretari illud praeceptum in signo posiâ—â—â— esse non enim dubitauit Dominus dicere hoc est corpuâ— meum cum singnum daret corporis sui I maye 〈◊〉 Augustine expound the precept of Christ figuratiuelie â—or the Lord doubted not to say this is my â—oâ—â—e when he gaâ—e the figure of his bodie Augustine saith Hoâ—â—â—st corpus meum is a phrase figuratiue you say no but it is litterall Now let the Catholicks take this Friendlie Caueat to heâ—â—â— for they haue no reason to follow you that forsake the Fathers and heâ—re may you see that our expositiâ—n is auncient Catholicke and Apostolicall yours new private and 〈◊〉 all Tertaâ—â— lib 4. contraâ— Mâ—recon pag. â—23 line 26. Tertullâ—â— an ancient Father saith Acceptum panem dâ—stributum discipâ—lis c. The bread which was taken and given to his disciples Christ made his bodie by saying this is my bodie that is the figure of my bodie what could be more spoken of them for vs against you And Hierome calls it a representation of the truth of Christs bodie bloud Hierome super 26. math Ambrose on Cor. 11. not the body and bloud And Ambrose seconds his former sayings in these words In edâ—â—do c. in eating drinking the bread wine we doe signifie the flesh bloud which was offered for vs so that they doe but signifie the flesh and bloud they are not the flesh and bloud And Chrisostome saith Chrisâ— in hâ—â—a vpâ—n Hebr. sâ—per Cor. 11. Offermus quidâ—â— sed ad recerdaâ—â—â—nem and afterwards Hoc autem sacrificium exemplâ—â— est ellius c. We offer in deed but in rememberance of his death this sacrifice is a token or figure of that sacrifice the thing that we do is done in ten emberance of the thing that was done by Christ before c. Here is a manifest â—â—ace against you which you shall never aunswere Chris in hâ—n 11 â—â—rk â—â—â—ent Alâ—â— on paâ—â—go lib. 1. cap. 6 pag 18. line vlt. pag 19. lâ—ne 1. And elsewhere be saith in the soâ—e sanctified vessels there is not the bodie of Christ in deed bâ—â— a masterie of the bodie is contained And Clemens Alexandrinus who lived 1300. yeares agoe saith Comedite cornes meas bibite sanguinem â—eum c. Eâ—t ye my flesh and drinke my bloud meaning hereby vnder an allegorie or figure the meat drinke that is of faith and promise And the same reverend Father in his second booke and second chapter of his Pedagogs and 51. pag and line 21 22 23. hath these words Ipse quoque vine vsus