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A35120	The counterfeit convert discovered, or, William Haworth's book, entituled (The Quaker converted to Christianity re-established) refuted wherein his absurd assertion, viz. that our (own) righteousness consists in the gifts and vertues which the spirit of God works in our minds &c. is manifested ... / by John Crook and William Bayley ; also an answer to the postscript at the end of William Haworth's wicked pamphlet called An Antidote &c. by C.T.	Crook, John, 1617-1699.; Bayly, William, d. 1675.; Taylor, Christopher, ca. 1615-1686.	1676 (1676)	Wing C7199; ESTC R24285	95,721	143

Q. 22. Haworth Whether the Light within or the Person of Christ without be the Object of Justifying Faith or whether Faith be any thing but Obedience to the Light that every one hath Answ Crook 1st The Light within gives the true Knowledge of God in the Face of Jesus Christ 2 Cor. 4.6 2dly It is not the Light within disjunctive from Christ without but conjunctive as the Eye in its Object that is the Object of justifying Faith 3dly Faith is more then Obedience to the Light in that degree that every man hath it for it hath the whole Christ for its Object Q. 23. Haworth Whether have not all the Sons of Men Christ excepted the Guilt of Adam's first Transgression upon them before they are justified and called and so are by nature children of Wrath c Answ Crook Before Justification is Condemnation and Wrath upon every Soul of Man that doth Evil Rom. 2.9 and in the fallen Nature all are Children of Wrath but that this Proverb must alwayes be used viz. The Fathers have eaten sour Grapes and the Childrens Teeth are s●t on edge is contrary to Scripture but to this I have spoken largly in my Rejoynder to which I refer the Querist Q. 24. Haworth Are any so perfect in this Life as to be above the Confession of Sin to God Answ Crook If we confess our Sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our Sins and to cleanse us from All Unrighteousness 1 John 1.9 He that 's Thus Forgiven and Cleansed is in a State above that wherein he confessed and glorified God for his Mercy Q. 25. Haworth Of what use is that Interecssion of Christs as a High Priest in Heaven Answ Crook Of great use to all that truly know and believe it Q. 26. Haworth Whether there be a higher Prophecy then the Writings of the Prophets and Apostles and if so where is it and what is it Answ Crook The Spirit of the Son in the Hearts of God's People is greater then the Writings of the Prophets and Apostles as the Builder of the House is greater or more honourable then the House Q. 27. Haworth Are not the holy Scriptures of the Prophets and Apostles the Rule of Faith and Life Answ Crook That which first opens man's Understanding to understand the Scriptures aright is his first Rule or Guide and this is the promised Spirit of Jesus who said It shall take of mine and shew them unto you so that it is properly the Rule for as many as are the Sons of God are led by the Spirit of God yet the holy Scriptures are A Rule through the Direction of the Spirit Q. 28. Haworth Whether dost thou believe that the same Body of Man after the Departure of the Soul from it doth rise to Life again Answ Crook This Query is contrary to Scripture which saith A Natural Body is sown a Spiritual Body is raised there is a Natural Body there is a Spiritual Body 1 Cor. 15.44 which I believe Q. 29. Haworth Whether are our distinct Personal Beings preserved in the Future State whether we lose them being swollowed up into God at Death Answ Crook I believe that in the Future State we shall not lose our Distinct Beings by being swollowed up into God but shall be preserved in our Distinct Beings forever Q. 30. Haworth Whether the Light that every man hath believed in obeyed trusted to is not the Jesus the Righteousness the Iustification the Blood the Remission the Mysiery the Experience the Faith the Cleansing the Sanctification the Shedding Drinking Sprinkling of the Blood c. which words and phrases are all in this thy Testimony answer plainly Is there any more in thy whole Treatise and thy Post script then this viz. To the Light obey the Light and whoever doth not is but in the History is but a Prodigal in a far Country feeding amongst the Swine a poor naked starved Sinner Answ Crook My Answer plainly to the first part of this Query is That although the Jesus the Righteousness the Justification the Blood that I bear Testimony unto cannot be known but by and in the true Light yet I never said neither do I believe that the Light that every man hath believed in c. is the Jesus the Righteousness the Justification the Blood the Remission c. yet do affirm that God who is Light is All in All and Jesus Christ who is the Light is made of God unto true Believers Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption according to 1 Cor. 1.30 To the second part I say There is more in my Treatise and Postscript then to the Light obey the Light c. but do also testifie that whosoever doth not obey the Light that shines in the Heart and manifesteth Sin and Evil in the Conscience is yet in his Sins and feeding among the Swine Now I appeal from W. H's Rashness and Folly not only to those that have known my manner of Life for nigh Forty Years past how that from my tender years I have been seeking after God and his Truth but to that great Judge of Quick and Dead that will pass Sentence upon every man according to his Works unto whom none dare say at that Tribunal God made him to sin or made IT unavoidable I hope what I have said will satisfie the Honest hearted who will not easily believe that after them any weary Steps and toylsome years of hearing reading watching fasting believing praying c. I should sacrifice all this and much more unto a wilful Error and to such an one as is not only destitute of all worldly Preferments but exposed to all the Sufferings and Hardships in it which I must needs do if I am such a Person as W. H. represents me to be But were I guilty such confused Arguments Contradictions and hard Languages will never convince me that W.H. is in the Truth for he is but a weak Adversary that cannot distinguish between loud Clamours and Gospel Demonstrations John Crook VVilliam Haworth's Contradictions and Confusions Haworth I Do still speak respectfully of the Light God forbid I should be an Opposer of it or an Enemy to it let my Tongue first cleave to the Roof of my Mouth let me first be Dumb and never speak any more pag. 5. c. it is but Flesh all is called Flesh all the new Birth c. Light is from Christ and he is the Author of it pag. 6. c. it lusteth against the Spirit and is contrary to the Spirit pag. 109. c. they that live not up to it shall be inexcusably condemned page 113. c. it is but Nature fallen blind Nature page 135. it is a Spark of that Light Adam had in Innocency in a full Flame pag. 109. c. I scarce know one Gospel Truth but this Light contradicteth pag 161. c. I do now say it is a rotten corrupt and unsound Thing or Principle as to the leading or guiding into the Knowledge of the Gospel

heavenly things themselves is this thy Fixedness and Consistency that they must be something but what thou dost not know and yet sayest I must understand what they are but surely it must not be by thy doubtful Teaching But tell me what purisying needed either Christ himself or Heaven it self and by what better Sacrifices Heb. 9.23 we read Ver. 9. 14. that the Conscience was to be purged by the Blood of Christ and this must needs be known in the Church and People of God whom thou confesseth are the heavenly Jerusalem which is the City of the living God where both God and Jesus the Mediator and the Blood of Sprinkling c. are come to by the Saints viz. Heb. 12.22,23,24 Haworth I ask now whether the Scriptures or our Imaginations and Thoughts be the Rule whereby we are to measure God and true Righteousness p. 21. c. Crook Is thy Memory so bad or thy Ignorance so great to ask such a Question which thy self resolvest in the same Page or art thou still in thy skiptical Mind as thou speakest of thy self seeing thou sayd'st but just before that it must be by the same Spirit that gave forth the Scripture that we can understand them and not without have thy Thoughts and Imaginations so great and the Spirit of God so little a Share in what thou dost which makes thee so soon forget its Usefulness to measure divine Things but I even tremble at thy ignorant Confidence to talk at this rate of measuring the unmeasurable God and that by the Scriptures or our own Thoughts without naming his Spirit Haworth The Scripture no where condemns Man's Conceivings of God by the Scripture and according to them p. 22. c. Crook Thou art condemned here out of thy own Mouth who sayest it must be Man enlightned by the same Spirit that gave them forth and not otherwise Haworth If John Crook consents to the Truth of this Principle viz. That such is the Purity of God that nothing is accepted by him but what is every Way or entirely compleat and perfect if so p. 23. c. Crook I grant this as also himself hath done in p. 26. Haworth Then he believes that the Righteousness within which consists in the Vertues and Gifts of the Spirit in every Quaker is every way perfect and compleat c. Crook Let the Reader judge if the latter be a necessary Consequence from the former but because some whole pages following in his Book are stuffed with Arguments and Consequents of the like nature about the same Subject to prevent his Boasting if possible I shall here once for all return a sober Answer viz. I believe that the Holiness and Righteousness in the Hearts of God's people which purely consists in the Virtues and Gifts of the Spirit which is one with the Father and the Son it is intirely compleat and perfect as to Nature and Kind which is sufficiently demonstrated by those worthy men Dr. Preston and Dr. Sibbs See Preston's Title Man's Vprightness pag. 214. Because the New Adam otherwise should not be so effectual as the old the new Adam should not be so powerful to communicate Grace and Life as the old Adam is to instill Corruption and Sin for this Sin that hath been conveyed to us by the first Adam hath an Integrity in it it hath gone over the whole Soul there is a whole Body of Death that hath possessed us now should there not be in those redeeming Actions by Christ a contrary Integrity and Perfection a throughout Holiness as I may call it the Plaister then should be narrower then the Sore the Remedy should be inferiour to the Disease Beloved you know a Leprosie is gone all over except the Holiness went all over too from top to toe I say there would not be an Answerableness in the second Adam he should not be able to do as much Good as the first was able to do Hurt 2 dly The Work of Redemption should be done but by halves if the Lord should dispense with imperfect Holiness The Works of Creation you know were perfect God looked upon all his Works and saw that they were very Good Beloved Do you think the Works of Redemption should come short of the Works of Creation Are not they likewise Perfect When the Lord shall look on that Work shall he not say likewise It is very good Pag. 216. If the Heart of Man be not intire if the Work of Grace be not throughout if there be a Defect in the Principle and Constitution of it there should be a defect in the Work of Redemption that cannot be c. Pag. 219. Blessed are the Pure in Heart Now what is it to be pure That is pure which is full of it self and hath no other heteregenial thing mingled with it so that heart is pure which hath no Sin in it which is holy which hath a renewed quality of Grace which hath an inward regenerate Man that will mingle with no Sin that is full of it self and admits not the mixture of any Sin c. Pag 221. When thou hadst the Prophet that would have separated the Precious from the Vile in thy heart as well as to do it in the Companies of men c. Pag. 222. So my Beloved it is not the having of Impurities in the Heart that makes the Heart imperfect but it is the suffering of them to be mingled even with the inward Frame of the Heart The Doctor also affirms That without this Holiness and Righteousness none can be saved c. See Dr. Preston ibid. p. 243. I say Let any Man's Heart be of this Constitution that he neglects the smallest Commandment that he hath not a special Eye to the Observance of them a special Care to keep them he is unsound and rotten at the Heart he shall never be saved continuing such Prov. 19.16 He that keeps the Commandments keeps his own Soul but he that despiseth his Way shall dye for it Thus far Dr. Preston Now Dr. Sibbs's Soul-Conflicts pag. 224. The Happiness of Man consists chiefly in a gracious Frame of Spirit and Actions sutable sweetly ssuing therefrom Ibid. pag. 156. Christ will never give over till by his Spirit he hath made our Nature Holy and Pure as his own till he hath taken away not only the Reign but the very Life and Being of Sin out of our Hearts that to this End he leaves his Spirit and Truth in the Church to the End of the World that the Seed of the Spirit may subdue the seed of the Serpent in us and that the Spirit may be a never failing Spring of all Holy Thoughts Desires and Endeavours in us and dry up the contrary Issue and Spring of Corrupt Nature Grace is nothing else but that blessed Power whereby as spiritual we gain upon our selves as carnal pag. ibid. It is a good Tryal of a Man's Condition to know what he esteems to be himself A godly Man counts the inward man the

sanctified part to be himself whereby he stands in relation to Christ and a better Life pag. 101. Thus far Sibbs But if I should have writ half so much I should have been censured for idolizing and setting up Man's Own Righteousness as W. Haworth calls the Righteousness within that consists in the Virtues and Gifts of the Spirit but these serious Men speak no such Language c. Haworth And for this Compleatness is accepted and that it will hold the Test before God's Tribunal and so will justifie us and it is beyond the Righteousness of the Elect Angels ibid. c. Crook Such as are Witnesses of this blessed Work within are accepted of God but not barely for that Holiness and Righteousness sake as it is a Work within but for his sake that is both the Author and Finisher of the whole Work of Man's Redemption For as the Builder is more honourable then the House so is Christ then his Work Heb. 3.3 He hath made us accepted in the Beloved Ephes 1.6 And chosen us through Sanctification of the Spirit and Belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2.13 And this will hold the Test and these by this Faith are and shall be justified before God's Tribunal And that it is beyond the Righteousness of the Elect Angels is both an ignorant and needless Question Haworth I fly by Faith which the Spirit works in me by the hearing of the Gospel to Jesus Christ to deliver me from the Wrath to come 1 Thess 10. p. 28. Crook This flying in thy own Will is like to thy applying of him which I spake to before Christ saith No man can come to me except my Father which sent me draweth him Joh. 6.44 But this viz. I fly sounds like a customary word only gotten by rote while the true Believer depends upon God and Christ to receive the immediate Ability to use and exercise Grace and Virtue aright for the further Growth and Increase for Grace dorment will not save us saith Dr. Sibbs Soul's Conflict pag. 105. and further saith The first Justice begins within when there is a due Subjection of the Soul to the Spirit c. Now hadst thou born the Indignation c. and waited with David in the Way of God's Judgments then with Paul thou wouldst have said I thank God through Jesus Christ that is come unto me and made himself known in and unto me by his Spirit that takes of his Blood and Virtue and shews them unto me applys them as proper Remedies to cure my Malady and inriching Jewels to make me glorious But thy Speech bewrayes thee thou wantest the Shibboleth of a true regenerate Man Haworth I perceive this by what thou sayest here that thou hast tasted but very scantily of the Wrath of God in thy Conscience otherwise thou wouldst not have such sleighting Thoughts of it as to apprehend it to be attoned any other way then by Christ's bearing it who sweat drops of Blood under it and thy unacquaintedness with the Nature of Faith in that thou callest it an Easie Way p. 28. c. Crook I shall not make thee my Confessor of what I have tasted but if thou hadst not fled the Judgment it had been better for thee then to escape it to get Ease in the Flesh I know him in whom I have believed and received the Attonement as the true Christians did by having the Witness of it in my self And thou dost but flatter thy self and falsly accuse me in saying I apprehend Sin and Wrath to be attoned any other way then by Christ bearing it for I never said nor thought so But this I say knowingly That it is not the bare believing of the Doctrine of Attonement from the Record of Scripture without though that be true that is the real Passification to the saving of the Soul in God's sight except the inward Testimony of it by the in dwelling Presence of Christ be witnessed in the Heart All Books were written to amend this One Book of our Hearts and Cons●ence saith Dr. Sibbs ibid. pag. 61. and though we have not a Book to look on yet we may look with Comfort into the Book of our own hearts and read what God hath written there by the Finger of his Spirit c. I have the rather inserted this here that thou mayest not forget to search this Book or Record and to be well acquainted with what is written there for such to be sure can never undervalue the Drops of Blood that he sweat for them nor be ignorant of the Nature of true and living Faith nor call the daily looking unto and depending upon God as the Eye of the Maiden unto her Mistriss an easie Way Haworth Ah John what meanest thou to turn the Scoffer like Julian Do the Saints find it an Easie Way who cry out daily Lord help our Vnbelief p. 29 c. Crook My words are these viz. An Easie Way if thou couldst escape God's Vengeance by casting it all upon Christ by imagining his doing and suffering God's Pleasure to be reckoned thine by a bare Belief of it wholely without thee Thou wouldst tempt the Reader by leaving out these last words to believe me to be a Julian as the Devil tempted Christ to cast himself down abusing the Scripture But let the Reader judge by my words together what a scoffing Julian I am if we compare Mark 9.24 14 15 16 17. vers it will not appear that that Saint as thou callest him there spoken of knew much of thy Faith if he was like thee in any thing it was in that he joyned with the disputing Scribes against the Disciples of Christ But those that are Saints indeed find that no less Power then that which raised up Christ from the dead is able to make them believe is that Christ to the saving of the Soul and they had need of daily help against the springings of the bitter Root of Vnbelief in themselves But to be wise to dispute of Salvation is one thing and to be wise unto Salvation through Faith in Christ Jesus is another But I say still It s an Easie Way to Salvation if thou canst escape by casting all God's Vengeance on Christ by imagining his doing and suffering God's Pleasure to be reckened thine by a bare believing of it wholely without thee for do not all the Ungodly in England generally believe it But saith Dr. Sibbs Soul's Conflict It were an Easie Thing to be a Christian if Religion stood only in a few Outward Works and Duties but to take the Soul to ta●k and to deal roundly with our own Hearts and to let Conscience have its full Work and to bring the Soul into Spiritual Subjection unto God this is not so easie a Matter p. 228. Haworth Ah John Crook here thou stumblest at the Cross of Christ and art leavened in thy Mind with hellish Socinianism the Dirt will out at last John here thou art plainly ashamed of the Cross of Christ dares

not own that the Wrath of God was upon Christ O repent John p. 29. c. Crook I know not what a great Cross it is for a Debtor that knows his Creditor to be fully satisfied and paid his Debt by another in his stead to believe it to be so But indeed it is a Cross to be stumbled at and a strange thing for a poor Debtor to be told he must believe his Debts are paid and his Creditor is satisfied while his Creditor keeps him still in Prison and calls to him every Day for full Payment this is cross to sound Judgment and good Understanding But if this be all the Acquaintance thou hast with the Cross of Christ I will assure thee thou art far enough from being his Disciple c. But why dost thou dare me William am I all of a suddain changed in thy Opinion from a Knave and a jugling Mountebank as thou callest me unto such a tender-conscienced Man that I dare not speak otherwise then I believe who playes Tricks now William making me believe that if I will own what thou would'st have me then thou wilt believe me yet when I have given Testimony to the Blood of Christ and many other Things even as thy self in Words professest to believe yet for so doing thou callest my Person a Knave and a Mountebank and my Belief a Juggle But thy Speech bewrayes thee for these Words viz. If thou darest c. is their Hectoring Language thou comparest me to But if the Reader please to examine his daring Challenge he will find it to be this viz. to own that the Wrath of God was upon Christ and that God poured out all his Wrath upon his Son and that these Words prove it Gal. 3. He was made a Curse for us for it 's written cursed is every one that hangeth on a Tree this is that he so dares me to and if I will not be convinced by this Proof I must repent of the Thoughts of my Heart though never so right in this Matter viz. I believe that Christ bore our Sins in his Body on the Tree that we being dead to Sin should live in Righteousness by whose Stripes we are healed 1 Pet. 2.24 I dare and do own that what Christ suffered it was for us and that the weighty Sense of the Misery due to Mankind for Sin fell upon him as the squeezing of Grapes in a Wine-press which caused him to sweat like Drops of Blood in his Agony Luke 22.44 all this we believe according to holy Scripture But let us now consider William Haworth's Belief and we shall find this to be one Article of his Faith viz. That Christ when he suffered was not innocent and as guilty God poured out all his Wrath upon him c. Christ had the Guilt of Sin really charged upon him what else is to be understood by these Words viz. he was made Sin for us Epist c. which is more then I dare affirm for what Job said of his own Integrity may much more be testified of Christ's Innocency to wit That he did not let that go till he dyed neither was Guile found in his Mouth And whatever thine and others Conceivings are of the Sufferings of Christ I dare say that no Man can conceive much less express what they were in the deep Travail of his Soul when he poured it out an Offering for Sin and the heavy Sense of Mans Misery fell upon him c. only those that have had Fellowship with him in his Sufferings and been made conformable to his Death in their Mealure are his Witnesses of what he suffer'd by the good Experience he hath given them through the Revelation of his holy Spirit in their Hearts such know something of the Sufferings of Christ and the Benefit of them to their own Souls c. Yet is not the Freeness of Forgiveness nor the free Grace and Mercy of God to Sinners destroyed thereby that truly believe in the Light of Christ Jesus and repent of the Evils that are made manifest to them by the same neither is the Work of Sanctification and Regeneration by all that Christ hath done or suffered made less necessary to the inheriting the Kingdom of God and everlasting Salvation nor are the Exhortations to Men and Women to follow Holiness and to work out their own Salvation with Fear and Trembling either weakened in themselves or made indifferent to Believers nor is the inward Work of redeeming the Heart and Mind out of the World to be fully set upon things above by the Spirit and Power of Christ within to be neglected or disesteemed by laying all the Stress upon what Christ hath done and suffered without us c. For though Christ be both a general and particular Saviour yet the Benefit accruing to Men by him as the general Saviour is known and received only where he is witnessed a particular Saviour for Christ in man becoming the Hope of Glory and Man being changed into the same Image from Glory to Glory even as by the Spirit of the Lord is the Salvation and the Perfection of every true Christian I have been the larger now upon this Subject that I may be excused from writing any more about it in this Reply Haworth What wouldst thou John have more then Faith page 29. c. Crook My Words are these viz. I find thee like the Pharisees of old flying from the Wrath to come by casting all God's Vengeance upon Christ an easie Way if thou couldst so escape it by imagining his doing God's Pleasure and suffering God's Displeasure to be reckoned thine by a bare Belief of it wholely without thee To all which he returns this Answer viz. What wouldst thou John have more then Faith Of which let the Reader judge if this be not his Hope and Belief viz. that he shall escape God's Wrath and Vengeance and consequently be saved by a bare Belief that Christ hath done God's Will and suffered his Displeasure wholely without him in his stead as if we were to understand no more by all Exhortations to Holiness and perfect Obedience to God's Holy Will and Commandments then that Christ and not we is to be only the Subject of all those Exhortations and Commands If it be asked whether a man may escape God's Wrath and Vengeance by a bare Believing that Christ hath done and suffered God's Pleasure wholely without him William Haworth answers What wouldst thou man have more then Faith But the Apostle James answers Wilt thou know O vain man that Faith without Works is dead Haworth He that works not but believes Rom. 4. There it Faith only a bare Belief John what sayest thou to that though that Faith that is justifying will work by Love yet it receives no Efficacy from its being accompanied with Works as to our Justification but from the Object without p. 29. c. Crook I say thou hast answered thy self that it is not a bare Belief without Works for thou