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A85545 A defence of Christian liberty to the Lords table; except in case of excommunication and suspension. Wherein many arguments, queres, suppositions, and objections are answered by plain texts, and consent of scriptures. As also some positions answered by way of a short conference which the author hath had with divers, both in citie and countrey. All which are profitable to inform to truth, and lawfull obedience to authoritie. / By John Graunt, who beareth witnesse to the faith. Published according to order. Graunt, John, of Bucklersbury. 1646 (1646) Wing G1591; Thomason E330_22; ESTC R200727 25,078 32

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anothers being not comitted into his hands presumes of himself and is an intruder but this is not proved to be the case of a beleever that is baptized to communicate in the Sacrament of the Lords Supper therefore the instance fails for your purpose Now to put an end to all further disputes upon these two points that Judas did communicate or pa●ticipate in the Lords Supper with the rest of the Apostles and that the Sacrament is of a teaching use and operation as strengthening and confirming I state both the questions affirmatively and negatively the affirmative of both questions that Judas was present at the institution and distribution of the Lords Supper and that the externall elements are of teaching use is proved plainly by these two Scriptures Luke 22. 4. 21. 1 Cor. 11. 26. But I challenge the whole world to prove the negative that the elements of the Lords Supper do not teach and that Judas was not present at the institution And by the way take notice that no absurdity can possibly be a consequence of truth but erring and mistaking admits of little else For if the ordinance of the Lords Supper have not a teaching and informing quality then it is uselesse to all the unregenerate yea to all the elect before reg●neration which is such an absurdity to affirme that Gods outward and common ordinances are of no use but unprofitable And that God ordained any thing in vain this is so grosse that it crosses all Scriptures for they generally affirm that all that God hath made or ordained shew forth teach his glory Psa. 75. 1. Again if none but the regenerate should communicate of the Supper of the Lord the paucity is such as the Scriptures witnesse that there is but one of a Citie and two of a Tribe yea it will also follow that he that blesseth and distributeth the bread and wine must know the receivers conversion or else he sinnes in communicating it these and an hundred more absurdities will follow that a wise man will blush to think of For if this be so then the same things that shew forth Christ under the Gospel shall not be so usefull to beleevers as the shadowes under the Law And this were to turn the day into night the light into darknesse The last thing I intended now to publish are some few short conferences I have met with in Citie and Countrey and all may be reduced into these two positions The first Position That selected congregations are Churches rightly ordained and truly constituted And that each congregation are free and independent either from other My defence to the first Position In this first Position we must consider foure things First that the gatherers and avouchers of selected congregations are Christians in profession not in authority but under Christian authority and members of Christian congregations in communion in all Gods externall ordinances and in all these respects are those also that they gather to themselves Secondly what is meant by congregations for asmuch as there are three sorts of them that is first authorized congregations secondly selected or covenanted congregations in opposition to authority and thirdly spirituall or voluntary congregation the communion of Saints And the last part of the posi●ion is what is meant by congregationall Independency In the first place therefore we must consider that all select●d congregations in England teachers and people are Christians in profession and already in communion and fellowship in the ordinances of the Gospel being all under Christian Authority And notwithstanding all this they doe take up and assume authority to themselves so to select and congregate as they doe in opposition to anthority to which they are subjected of God And for proofe of this their practise they alledge the example of John the Baptist Mat. 3. 1 2 5. our Saviour Christ Mark 1. 14 15 16. and the Apostles Acts 2. 37 38 41 42. Acts 11. 20 21 22. Now I deny that any of these Scriptures come home to prove the state of your question or warrant your practice For John our Lord and the Apostles taught the doctrine of the Gospel that Jesus was the Christ the Messiah prophesied of to such Jewes as were not beleevers but opposers of it and them And such by their Ministery converted to the faith which faith is beleeved and confessed by such Christians as you select to your selves And secondly the Greeks that were converted Acts 11. 20. were so converted from heathenisme to Christianisme but this is not your case nor practice for you pervert Christians from sound and wholsome doctrines to vain janglings about words that edifie not And from those Assembles assigned by Christian authority to such as are of your own ordaining devising and constituting the matter and form thereof is not to be found in Gods word Now if any of you all could shew me a people that you have gained from among the Jewes and from among the Heathens to the acknowledgement and confession of the doctrine of our Lord Jesus Christ and that by your Ministery that they have not onely beleeved the truth but obeyed it in the power of it to the effecting in them repentance and remission of sinnes then I would speak and change my discourse to another sense but in regard you assume that which you are not I will onely testifie unto you that that which you doe is not warrantable by Scripture but it is your own carnall fancy and imagination Now the second thing in the Position is what is meant by Congregation and in the threefold distinction the first is Authorized congregations which are usually called Parishes and that is to say so many Families assigned by authority to make a congregation to communicate in Gods ordinances for the salvation of the people And to that end authority hath ordained a way that their teachers or teacher sh●uld be a man approved of for able gifts that a time or times in the week is appointed that men should dispense with neglect and lay aside their worldly imployments and affairs and meet together in the communion and participution of Gods ordinances to that end have appointed a place for prayer reading and expounding the Scriptures for doctrine exhortation and preaching as also for communion in baptisme and the Lords Supper And are not all these things in themselves good and lawfull And if they be so what ground have you then for dislike and separation Nay have we not ground by the word of God to give thanks for such governors that are in authority over us And are not their Ordinances and Rules such without which wee cannot communicate in the outward ordinances of God Wherefore let us acknowledge their authority and obey their rules But in the next place the selected congregations alledge 2 Cor. 6. 17. and Rev. 18. 4. for their separation and selection for as much as the holy Ghost saith Come out from amongst them meaning corrupt Christian congregations and be yee