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A reformed catechism. The first dialogue in two dialogues concerning the English Reformation / collected for the most part, word for word out of Dr. Burnet, John Fox, and other Protestant historians ; published for the information of the people in reply to Mas William Kings answer to D. Manby's considerations &c. ; by Peter Manby.
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inflicted on those that denied the Queens Supremacy ann 1559. but the loss of their Goods and such as refused to take the Oath did only lose their Imployments Whereas to refuse the Oath in King Henrys time brought them into a Premunire and to deny the Supremacy was Treason But against this Bill of Queen Elizabeths first Parliament the Bishops made Speeches in the House of Lords the rest of the Bishops opposed it the rather because they had lately declared so high for the Pope that it had been very indecent for them to have revoked so soon pag. 386 387. 2. vol. The Bishop of Chester said in Parliament that the Bill was against both Faith and Charity meaning the Bill for the new Service that Acts of Parliament were no Foundations for a Churches Belief that it was an insolent thing to pretend that all our Fathers lived in Ignorance That the Prophets oftentimes directed the Israelites to enquire of their Fathers Matters of Religion could not be understood by the Laiety Jeroboam made Israel to sin when he set up a new way of Worship Gallie by the Light of Nature knew that a Civil Judge ought not to meddle with matters of Religion In the Service-Book that was then before them there was no Sacrifice for Sin c. and for these reasons says Burnet he could not agree to it But if any thought he spoke this because of his own concern or pitied him for what he might suffer by it he would answer in the words of our Saviour Weep not for me weep for your selves p. 393. After him spake Fecknam Abbot of Westminster he said There had been great Order and Obedience in Queen Marys Reign but now every where great Insolencies were committed by the people with some very indecent Prophanations of the most holy things He recommended to them in St. Austins words the adhering to the Catholique Church the very name Catholique which Heretiques had not the confidence to assume shewed their Authority The Consent of the whole Church in all Ages with the perpetual Succession of Pastors in St. Peters Chair ought to weigh more with them than a few new Preachers who had of late distracted both Gemany and England Burnet pag. 393. 2. vol. Then see his Appendix to 2. vol. p. 408. where setting down these words of Nicholas Sanders That the Laws concerning Queen Elisabeths Supremacy passed the House of Lords with great difficulty all the Bishops opposing them Burnet answers It is true all the Bishops did oppose them c. But to all the Changes that were made in King Edwards time they submitted c. Why then were they turned out by King Edward and Protestants substituted in their places Thus Reader it appears by Burnets own Confession that the Reformation was not the Act and Deed of the old Clergy or Convocation of England or the major part thereof but impos'd on the Nation by the Power and Interest of a few persons And so I leave you to think what you please of Mas William Kings Confidence the Preacher of St. Warbroughs affirming as you have heard that Cranmer in all he did had the unanimous Consent and Vote of the major part of the Convocation the universal Submission of the Clergy c. Answ p. 25. A. But supposing he had the major Vote of his side as he had not could that have justified his Reformation B. Not at all for being all made Priests after that Form Accipe Potestatem offerre Sacrificium Deo missasque celebrare tam pro vivis quam pro defunctis c. they had no more Authority to abrogate the Mass than the present Archbishop of Canterbury with the major Vote of the Protestant Bishops to abolish the Common Prayer By their Protestant Orders they cannot do it A So much for his Priesthood You said he was consecrated Bishop in the year 1533. what were the Words of his Consecration B. You may find them in the Roman Pontifical First he was interrogated Vis Traditiones orthodoxorum Patrum Decretales sanctae Apostolicae sedis constitutiones veneranter suscipere docere ac servare R. Volo Vis beato Petro Apostolo cui à Deo data est Potestas ligandi ac solvendi ejúsque Vicario Domino nostro N. Papae suisque Successoribus Romanis Pontificibus fidem subjectionem obedientiam secundum Canonicam Auctoritatem per omnia exhibere R. Volo Credis sanctam catholicam Apostolicam unam esse veram Ecclesiam in qua unum datur verum Baptisam vera peccatorum omnium Remissio R. Credo That is Will you reverently receive teach and keep the Traditions of the orthodox Fathers the Decrees and Constitutions of the holy and Apostolique See He answered I will. Will you shew Fidelity Subjection and Obedience to St. Peter the Apostle and his Successors the Bishops of Rome in all things according to the Canons He answered I will. Do you believe one holy Catholique and Apostolique Church in which there is true Baptism and true Remission of Sins He answered I believe After which the Bishop consecrating authorizes him in these Words viz. Accipe Evangelium vade praedica populo tibi commisso Receive thou the Gospel go and preach to the people committed to thy charge R. Amen A. Why by this Consecration he had no more Authority to preach the Doctrine of 39 Articles than the present Archbishop of Canterbury to preach the Doctrine of the Council of Trent B. No more You see how he obliged himself to pay Fidelity Subjection and Obedience to the Bishops of Rome in all things according to the Canons then in force And reverently to receive teach and keep the Constitutions of the holy and Apostolique See. And upon these terms he receiv'd his Commission to go and preach the Gospel A. The matter is plain All his Changes were unwarrantable and his Reformation but a Castle in the air without a Foundation if you set aside Acts of Parliament B. And besides all this he swore that Oath to the Pope which you have heard page 28. of this Catechism Then what if all the Bishops had consented with him they had but violated their Engagements and Vows as he did being all sent and ordained after that Form. Reader I pray look into the Form and Manner appointed by the Church of England for consecrating of Bishops and Archbishops and there observe how Protestant Bishops do oblige themselves to preach Gods Word according to the Authority committed unto them by the Ordinance of this Realm and no otherwise that is to say according to the Doctrine of Thirty nine Articles Then enquire a little further what Commission had Cranmer or Matthew Parker to impose or preach the said Articles A. Enough of Cranmer What is Burnets Character of those few Bishops that were of his Party B. Those were Latimer Shaxton Barlow who were rather Cloggs than Helps to Cranmer says Burnet Latimers Simplicity and Weakness made him be despised Shaxtons proud and litigious
needeth no Consecration by the Scripture for Election or Appointing thereunto is sufficient This all the Bishops contradicted except Saint Davids saying that the Apostles made Priests by imposition of Hands with Fasting and Prayer and Dr. Redmayn said the Office of Priesthood is too dangerous a thing to be undertaken to be set upon are his words when one is but appointed only therefore for the Confirmation of their Faith who take in hand such a Charge and for the obtaining of further Grace requisite to the same Consecration was ordained by the holy Ghost and hath been always used from the beginning page 230. 4. To this Question whether a Christian Prince having conquered certain Dominions of Infidels and having none about him but Lay-men He and They may not by the Law of God Preach and Teach God's Word and also make and constitute Priests Cranmer Answers positively It is not against God's Law but contrary they ought indeed so to do and there be Histories that witness that some Christian Princes and other Lay men unconsecrate have done the same Reader The English Bishops perhaps were not aware of his design in proposing this and such like Questions which was to nooze them into a Concession under their Hands that the Prince might Preach himself and Authorize others to preach Reformation in case of necessity that is If his Clergy and Bishops would not comply as Cranmer knew they would not 5. To this Question Whether a Man is bound by the Authority of this Scripture Quorum remiseritis peccata remissa sunt c. to Confess his secret deadly Sins to a Priest He answers point blank that no Man is bound All the Bishops and Clergy three or four excepted honestly affirming that by Authority of those words Christians are bound to Confess their secret as well as open Sins That Priests are bound to give Absolution but no Priest can Absolve from that Sin which he knows not Doctor Tresham answered Such Confession is a thing most Consonant to the Law of God and that it is a wise point and a wholsome thing so to do And God said he provoketh and allureth us thereunto by giving active Power to Priests to Absolve in these words Whosoever Sins ye remit they are remitted c. It is also a safer way for Salvation to Confess if we may have a Priest page 238. Collections Doctor Edgeworth answered worthily that to obtain Remission of Sin and Recover the Grace of God a Man is bound by the Law of Nature to take the surer way And because said he we are bound to Love God above all things we ought by the same Bond to seek the best and surest Remedy for the Recovery of his Grace Contrition is one way but because a Man cannot be well assured whether his Contrition Attrition or Displeasure for his Sins be sufficient to satisfie Almighty God or worthy to obtain his Grace therefore it is necessary to take that way that will not fail and by which thou mayest be sure and that is Absolution by the Priest which by Christ's promise will not deceive thee so that thou put no obstacle or bar in the way that is if thou do not then actually Sin inwardly or outwardly but intend to receive what the Church intends to give Thee by that Absolution Now the Priest can give thee no Absolution from that Sin which he knows not therefore thou art bound to confess thy Sin. Thus Doctor Edgeworth page 237. Burnet's Collections I wish Cranmer had half the honesty or piety of this Man. Doctor Leighton answered I think such only as have not the knowledge of the Scripture be bound to confess their secret deadly Sins unto a Priest Howbeit no Man ought to despise such Auricular Confession for I suppose it to be a Tradition Apostolical necessary for the unlearned Multitude Thus he page 238. Collections 6. To this Question Whether only Bishops and Priests may Excommunicate by God's Law he answers a Bishop or a Priest by the Scripture is neither commanded nor forbidden to Excommunicate but where the Laws of any Country giveth him Authority to Excommunicate there they ought to use the same in such Crimes as the Laws have such Authority in and where the Laws of the Region forbiddeth them there they have no Authority at all And they that be no Priests may also Excommunicate if the Law allow thereunto NOTE That in Queen Mary 's days Catholick Religion being restored by Law Cranmer had by his own Confession no Power of the Keys Nay every Constable might Excommunicate as well as he if the Law gave power These were strange Opinions for an Archbishop and Reformer of the Faith he subscribed thus ' Thom. Cantuariens this is my Opinion and Sentence at this present which I do not temerariously define but do remit the Judgment thereof wholly unto your Majesty that was Henry VIII A. How does Burnet excuse him for these Opinions B. Very oddly as a Man would think viz. it seems that afterwards he changed his Opinion for he subscribed the Book that was soon after set out which is directly contrary to these Opinions that is to say in the year 1540. he subscribed to a Book for seven Sacraments for Transubstantiation for the profitable use of Images to put us in mind of the great Blessings we have received by our Saviour for desiring the Prayers of Saints as Intercessors being the Doctrine of the Catholick Church For the use of the Hymn called Ave Maria in Commemoration of Christs Incarnation and to set forth the Praises of the blessed Virgin. Of all which particulars he believed not a syllable though he subscribed with the rest of the Bishops Nay Burnet tells you plainly page 289. that he was then for reducing the seven Sacraments to two but the Popish Party was prevalent at that time So the old number of seven was agreed to anno 1540. that is the major vote of Bishops carried it against him and he durst not but subscribe for fear of King Henry In the year 1536 which was but four years before he gave his subscription to a Book for three Sacraments onely wherein was declared the necessity of Auricular Confession and that it was good to pray unto the Saints to pray for and with us Of which he believed not a tittle See Burnet page 217. so that by what he subscribed it can never be gathered that he quitted those strange Opinions A. But after all this did he not renounce the Protestant Religion in Queen Mary's days B. Yes the Popish Party have but too great advantages against him says Burnet in the last part of his Life The Fears of Death wrought that effect on him that he did recant which he signed thrice Appendix to 2. vol. pag. 400. So for all his Recantation he was led out to be burnt and then he returned back to his former Doctrines mark this and expressed his Repentance for his Apostacy with all the seriousness that was possible