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A18003	A discourse, concerning two diuine positions The first [ef]fectually concluding, that the soules of the faithfull fathers, deceased before Christ, went immediately to heauen. The second sufficientlye setting foorth vnto vs Christians, what we are to conceiue, touching the descension of our Sauiour Christ into hell: publiquely disputed at a commencement in Cambridge, anno Domini 1552. Purposely written at the first by way of a confutation, against a booke of Richard Smith of Oxford, D. of Diuinity, entitled a Refutation, imprinted 1562, & published against Iohn Caluin, & C. Carlile: the title wherof appeareth in ye 17. page. And now first published by the said Christopher Carlile, 1582.	Carlile, Christopher, d. 1588?	1582 (1582)	STC 4654; ESTC S107537	141,619	356

onely guided by the Spirite whiche ledde them into all truthe If it ledde them into all truthe what neded they of any other rule was not he suffitient had they not receyued the Spirite abundantly coulde they erre It is an absurdyty to prescribe an order to them that were the authors of order or to assigne them a rule that ruled all or that laide the foundation of Doctrine to wauer in Doctrine or that were the teachers of faithe to be ignorant of the will of God Coulde the Spirite of God erre whiche taughte them all and ledde them into all truthe Wherefore you sée what holde you haue and what your authority is Smith Iohn herolte a frier Dominique in the yeare of Christ. 1494. writeth in his 146. sermone that the apostels made this erede in the councell at Hierusalem Act. 15. Carlil H●…w do these two doctors agrée the one olde the other new the one saith that it was made immediatly after Christes ascension the other 17. or 18. yeares after or aboue This is a good argument How could the twelue Apostels make it so many yeares after the assension of Christ when as there were some of them that had suffered death for Iames brother to Iohn the sonne of Zebede was beheaded by Herode Agrippa And this was done 7. or 8. yeares or more before the councell holden in the Art 15. Moreouer the other apostels were dispersed some into one place some into others as Phillipp in Scythia Bartholomewe in Lycaonia India and Armenia Mathew in Aethyopia Thomas in Parthya Media Persia Germanya Hyrcania and Bactria Now if there were none of the Apostels at the councell holden at Hierusalē act 15. saue Iames Iohn ●… Peter then were not all the Apostels there to put to euery man his sentence if it had bene made there then woulde either Peter Iohn Iames or Luke who wrote the rest ●…o exactly haue made mention of ●…t Smith They made the twelue articles as a Som of our faith and cal●…ed it Symbolum for that euery apostell added one peice Peter I beleue ●…n God the father almighty Carlil Iohn Herolte sai●…h that Peter ●…ade I beleue in God the father al●…ighty the maker of heauen and ●…arth Pseudo Augustine deniethe that ●…nd saith that Peter made but the ●…ne halfe of that sentence For the ●…tter parte sayth he made Iohn Augustine make th two articles of it Herolte but one Augustine saithe that Peter Iohn made these two Herolte that Peter made both Herolte saithe that Iohn made this And in Iesus Christe his only sonne our Lord. Pseudo Augustine sait●… that Iames the greater made that This Herolte deniethe and sayth●… that Iohn the Euangeliste made it Augustine maketh this the third●… Article Herolte the seconde Andrewe Who was couceaued by he holye Ghost borne of the Vi●…gine Mary Pseudo Augustine makethe thi●… the fourth article Herolt the third Pseudo Augustine saith that Andrewe made it Herolte that Iam●… the greater brother to Iohn the Euangeliste made it who was the●… dead as it is manyfest in the Act●… 12. Iohn Herolte here forgetteth●… himselfe for he said in the begi●…ning of his Sermon y ● this Cr●… was made in the councell at Hierusalem And this Iames was behea●… ded by Herode longe before as is mauifest in Act. 12. Mendacem me●…orem esse oportet Phillip Suffered vnder Pontius Pilate Crucified dead and Buryed Herolte saythe that Andrewe made this Pseudo Augustine maketh this the fist Article Herolte the fourth Thomas say●…he Hee descended into Hell the thirde daye hee rose from ●…he deade Herolte saythe that Phi●…ip made this former parte Pseudo Augustine saith that Thomas made it all Herolte maketh He descended into Hell a whole Article Pseudo Augustine makethe it but ●…alfe and addeth The thirde daye ●…e rose from the dead I maruell that they wyll father ●…his vpon Phillip whose Creede ●…s it is writen in Pirianius leaueth out this patche Herolte sayth that Thomas made The third daye he rose agayne frō the deade Pseudo Augustine ioyneth this w t Christes going to Hel and ascribethe it to Thomas on●… Bartholmewe He ascended into he●… uen sittethe on the righte hande God the father Almightye in 〈◊〉 they bothe agree Mathewe Fr●… thence hee shall come to Iudge 〈◊〉 quicke and the dead Iames the le●… I beleue in the holy Ghost the h●… Catholique Churche Pseudo A●… gustine makethe this one Articl●… Herolte maketh it twayne P●… Augustine maketh it the 9. Arti●… Herolte makethe y ● latter parte●… 10. Simon Zelotes The Commun●… of Sayntes Remission of sinnes 〈◊〉 rolte maketh the 10. Article o●… The holy Catholique Church 〈◊〉 Augustine makethe this Articl●… parte of the 9. Herolte maketh●… the 10. Indas Thaddeus The Re●… rection of the flesh Herolt He●… Vrinaria make the 11. Article T●… Communion of Sayntes remis●… on of sinnes Pseudo Augustine 〈◊〉 keth it the 10. Herolte the 11. P●… August ascribeth it to Simon 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Herolte to Iudas Thaddeus Mathias added Euerlasting lyfe Herolt saythe that he made The Resurrection of the flesh euerlasting lyfe Here you see y ● disagremēt betwene 〈◊〉 whom they say was S. August Herolte Henry Vrinaria There is no lesse variety and inconstauncy in the rest of the schoolmen In S. Augustines time they were not digested in that order as they ●…ée nowe For hee leauethe out the goinge of Christ into Hell lyfe euerlastinge Chrisostome leauethe ●…ut The Comunion of Sayntes and in his former exposition he omit●…eth Descendit ad Inferos and in the ●…atter he sayth Descendit ad Inferos was y ● Christ was dead buryed and w t him raysed a great nomber of bodyes for he was y ● first fruites of them that sleeped and the firste borne frō y ● dead wherby you may easely vnderstand that the Gréeke Doctors vnderstande by Hades the graue w e hath bene translated he Hiero. August and Ambr. say th●… this Crede came from the Apostle whiche can not be perswaded to●… Valla a Gentl. of Italye and a singuler Iudgment 1. Marcellus in Epiph. sayth that 〈◊〉 receyued this sayth of y ● Scriptu●… Elders not w tstanding he leaue●… out this article of his going to h●… 2. Ignatius hathe a perfect Crede many of the Articles of oure co●… Creede but neuer one woorde Christes going to Hell 3. Neither in his epistle to y ● Ephe●… where hee confesseth his Béelye●… twyse 4. Neither in his epistle to y ● Ro●… Theoderet Dial. 1. immut 5. Neither in his Epist. to y ● Tra●… lians Theod. Dial. 1. Immut 6. Polycarpus in an epistle to th●… Phillipians vtterethe the mistery of Christes Natiuity Deathe an●… Resurrection but this addition h●… leaueth out 7. Iustinus Martyr doth most manifestly and exactly declare Christes Passion Deathe and Resurrectiō of this neuer a worde 8.

in beastes in animantibus and in men and not in hearbes and trées this consisteth in féeling descerning desiring mouing willing séeing hearing breathing fearing sorrowing About the sixt moneth the immortal soul is infused And Paul 1. The●… 5. 13. maketh this diuision where he saith The God of peace keepe you sound and whole that your spirite life and body maye be kepte safe and without blame vntill the comming of our Lord Iesus Christ. The spirit he calleth the immortall soule as Salomon doth the life the senses and vitall spirite with affections the bodye the receptacle of both and encreaseth and groweth as thinges vegetatiue do Gregory Nissene is of mine opinion as concerning the exposition of this place Neyther Lyra nor the Ordinary glose differ greatly from me I expound it of the soul as doth Didimus who is reproued of Augustine Chrysostome and Theodoret who reproue Apollinarius for expoū ding it as I do Ambrose Theodoret and Augustine call this spirite the grace of the holy ghost I call it the soule The Gréekes and Latines folowing the 72. Interpretours as Augustine and Theodoret proue by the 21. of Exod. that the soule must needes come into the body when y e body is perfect with all his partes ●…ineamentes and proportion wher Moses giueth this lawe That if a man beate a woman and if the child shal not be borne with his ful shape thē he that caused her to deliuer her ●…hild shall yeeld life for life but if ●…t be without shape hee shall by ar●… bitrament paye according to the request of her husbande Which place saith Augustine Iob in like manner discribeth First the whole frame and proportion of the body and then the immortall soule in the 10. ver he saithe that God poured him out like milke and like cruddes of cheese hath put him together And in the 11. verse he addeth the frame of the whole bodye as skyn fleshe bones and sinewes and in the 12. verse The immortall soule which God gaue him of his aboundant mercy and the same soule he calleth his spirite as Christ doth Iob putteth the Hebrue word Caiim in the duall nomber to declare that God gaue him two liues one here in this world and an other in the next immortality Let vs now ioyne vnto these the creation of Adam the first man that we may consider howe all these do agrée Who gaue this soule God did inspire it What did he inspire the i●… mortall soule What calleth he that Nishmath caiim What is Neshma and what is Caiim Neshama is the immortall soule which God dothe giue and Caiim is ioyned with it in the duall nomber to declare the immortality of it both in this life and in the next In the 57. of Esay God is saide to make the soules Nishmath Of the which there I haue noted and very largely vpon Iob. 26. Esra writing vpon the 7. of Gen. saith that Neshama is proper to man onely Rabby Abraham y ● it is not founde without man Reade my note vpon the 150. Ps. Iosephus to answere both to Nishmath Caiim and to Nephes caia translateth them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 meaning as Moses doth by Neshama and Caiim the immortall soule 〈◊〉 by Nephes caia the life which is ●…egetatiue and sensitiue This place is expounded by the 15. chapter of Wisdome where it saith that God giueth to man a working life 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 expressing y e sensitiue life vttered by Moses in N●…hes Caia and Neshmath Caiim it calleth the vitall spirite 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the immortal soul. Read my note vpon Wisdome 15. The immortall soul is called Ruac which returneth to God that gaue it If it returne to God Ergo from God it commeth and from heauen For they say y ● Neshama hath his name of Shamaiim heauen because that from thence the soul commeth and thither returneth Thither returned the soul of Adā immediatly after his departure out of y e body thither Enoch his body soul●… as some say thither Abrahams soul thither all the faithfull fathers soules thither Elias with his bodye in the sighte of Elisaeus thither the poore Lazarus soule in Luke thither Christ himself in the presence of his Apostles thither the soul of Stephā thither Elias and Christe ascended euen vnto the seate and maiestie of Iehoua as in a figure at the next impression Godwilling shall be manifestly more at large expressed together with other matter figures to this booke appertaining FINIS THE BELIEFE OF A CHRISTIAN CALLED THE COMON CRED●… as it is repeated in Augustine ad Pe trum Diaconū tom 3. page 231. likewise in his book de fide sym●… bolo pa. 144. also de sy●…bolo ad Cathe lib. 1. cap. 3. 5. lib. 3 c. 6. lib. 4. c. 6. Tom. 9. Chrysostome tom 5. August de temp s●…r 123. 125. In God the father I beleue the Lord omnipotent Who by his word did creat all earth sea and firmament I bo beleue in Iesu Christ with all myne hart mynde Who is onely the sonne of God and sauiour of mankinde Who was conceiued by the spirite the holy Ghost I meane Borne of Mary without all sinne a virgine chast and cleane Him Pontius Pilate iudged to death and cruell sentence gaue Whē he was dead they toke him downe laide him in his graue From thence the third day he did ryse for our sakes comfort And many one with him that houre as Mathewe doth reporte Through aer clouds he did ascēd vnto the seat of grace And there raigneth triumphantly and hath done all this space From thence he shall come downe againe to iudge the quick dead So do the scriptures teach vs plaine as we in them do reade In th'holy ghost I do beleue who doth our hartes inflame And causeth vs to worship God and call on Christes name I do beleue there is a church a spouse most chaste pure A faithfull elected flocke which euer shall endure I do beleue God will forgiue my sinnes life mispent And of as many as their faultes vnfainedly repente I do beleue God will restore and raise out of the grounde All mē that are consumde with death with a loude voice and sounde I do beleue after this life to fi●…e an other out Better then this ten thousand folde of this I haue no doute Exod. 22 22. Deut 13. 15. Leui●… 24. 16. Deut. 22. 22. Exo. 22. 18. Errors in doctrine Tus. 1. 9. ene 3. 9. Deut. 17. 19. Roma 13. 2. Ioseph 1. Gen. 7. ●… Peter 2. 12. Peter 2. 5. Nombers 11. 〈◊〉 18. 5. Sama. 2. 6. 17. Pr●…a 1●… 10 ●… King ●…8 14. 1 Kings 8. 14. 1 Chron. 1●… 1●… 1 Reg. 10. 11. 2 Chron. 17. 7. Esay 30. 31. Queston doutfull Ps. 16 10. It was God that losed the sorowes of death and not Christ Rom. 8. 19.

the faithfull is the high way to felicitye and faith is the saluation of our soules 1. Pet. 1. 9. The assumptiō is prooued by Iosephus who faith that Adam confessed his fault and craued pardon for his offence Moreouer Adam did not only confesse his fault but also repented and beleeued in the seede promised And as he and Caua were the first that offended so were they the first that receiued grace and ascended into heauen excepte Abell and Enoch Which is prooued by Salomon or rather by Philo in these wordes Wisdome saythe hée whiche is the sonne of god preserued the first father of all mankind from his offense Is not be saued that is deliuered from his offence from sin from errour but in hell there is no saluation then was h●… in heauen by the same faythe tha●… we haue His faith made Christes death as present to him as though it had béen done in déede for faithe apprehendeth thinges absent and thinges whiche are not subiect to our senses consider Heb. 11. 1. And therfore Christ is killed to the faith of the elect euen from the beginninge of the world And although Castalio and Beza resolueth the latter parte of this 8. vers on this sort whose names are not written from the creation of the world in the booke of life of y e lambe which is killed Nonwithstanding they must nedes conclude that the names of the faithfull are and were written in the booke of life in the ●…iuely booke of the lambe which is heauen for so Christ define the it ●…aynge vnto his disciples Do not glory because that yow haue subdu●…d spirits but because that your ●…ames are written in heauen Is it ●…ny absurdity to place the soules where their names are written Are their names holier then their soules wher good mens names are writtē thither ascend their soules but in heauen are good mens names written then there must nedes be their soules To what vse were it to haue my name written in heauen if my soule shall haue no fruition of heauenly ioyes no contemplation no solace no felicity The disciples were predestinated to this felicity and therfore receiued presently when their tabernacle was dissolued when their soules departed out of the body For they must nedes reape one fruite enioye one felicity whose fayth is all one whose sacraments in effect are all one for bothe haue eaten one spiritual bread dronke one spiritual drink for they dronk of the spirituall rocke whiche is Christ. The red sea expresseth our baptisme The cloude the grace of the holy ghost Moses the highe priest Christ the Israelites the Christians the rocke Christ. Can he come in hel who is forknowne of god predestinated from euerlastinge called of purpose iustified by faithe and consequently glorifyed Ys the forknowledge of god doubtfull Is his predestination mutable Is his calling of purpose vncertain Or our iustificatiō variable Or our glorificatiō ī doubt Adam was gloryfied in y ● presence of god alwayes alwayes elected alwayes in sure hope and in an infallible expectatiō of heauenly felicity To glorify is as y ● papistes terme it to canonise to make saintes to geue felicity to introduce a man into y e incōprehensible ioyes of heauen And to signify a certaintye an infallible truth in electīng calling iustifying glorifyinge he vseth the preterperfect tense as though it were done already and so it is in déed with god shal we measure y e author of time with time or the geeuer of felicity by mans phātasie or the certentie of saluation by the doubtfull iustisiynge of the Papist If Adam were foreknowen fore elected fore appoynted and consequently called glorified how could he come in hel Is there any iustification in Hell any fayth any hope of better lyfe any saluation any remission of sinnes any inuocation of the name of God anye glorificacion anye felicitie Hell is withoute Hope Geenna withoute grace Satan withoute Saluation Tophet without ioye the worme of conscience without solace gnashing of teeth without gladnes Let vs speake of Habel It is saide that Habel beinge dead did speake So is it saide of the Soules of the faithefull in the Reuelacion he is saide to speake whiche lyueth then Habel and all the faithfull do liue because they speake also because that God is the God of the lyuinge and not of the dead Moreouer by this worde speakinge is painted forth his felicitie which hee hath en ioyed from his martirdome hitherto for Christe saith that who so euer shall lose his lyfe in this world for Gods cause and religion as hee did shal fynde it agayn in the next but if he should goe to Hel after his death as our romishe Catholickes doo teache and affirme it were an euill exchaunge and the death wil lingly receiued for his cause or religion very slenderly recompensed but Habel was found iuste and is so called both of Christe and of S. Paul There is none iuste but hee that beleeueth for as S. Paul saith whatsoeuer is not done of faith is synne the iust man lyueth by faith Habel was iust therfore he lyued by his fayth There is in this sentence of Habel thrée thinges to be noted faithe ●…ustice and immortall life Iustice is the frée gift mercy and goodnes of god geuen vnto man by fayth fayth bringeth immortality or euer lasting felicity for the perfection of faythe is felicity faythe endeth where immortality beginneth then hath faith done his part when yt hathe obtayned y e whiche it trusted vpon and then ceaseth hope when yt enioyeth that which yt hoped for then remayneth charity w e S. Paul sayth is the gretest of the thre because it contineweth florisheth for euer among y e saītes Herin doth Ireneus erre affirmīg that faythe and hope remaine after this lyfe For he supposeth that all mens soules from the beginning of the world are kept in a secret place abiding or wayting for y e last day and therefore to beleue and hope stil. But Salomō or rather Philo saythe in the 4. chapter of the booke of wisdome The iuste thoughe they dye before their tyme or beinge younge yet they are in reste Augustine calleth Habel a virgin a priest a iust man and a marti●… hee hath deserued sayeth hee the crown of martyrdome this crown is felicitie vnto the whiche wee are bounde to haste vnto If there bee a churche in heauen as wee must needes confesse there is where Christe is being the head then is it an iniquity to denye Habel to be there being the first martyr Bernarde placeth him in heauen because hee receyued deathe pacientlye by his brother Cayne who persecuted hym for hys vertues sake for Abraham Esra an auncient Hebrue Doctor affirmeth that Cayne kylled Habell because hea sayde that vyce shoulde bee punished and Uertue rewarded

to 〈◊〉 briefe to be spoyled of the rewa●… of faythe to bee destitute of hope and to be depriued of their expecta●… tion and defrauded of the conte●… plation of the trinitye If a manne shoulde goe to Hell what dothe Faythe profite at all or what auaylethe Hope wher●… is the rewarde of Uertue It i●… against reason to depriue the fayth●… full of felicitye against the word to thrust them into hell against cōscience to punishe vertue hell i●… appoynted for vice and heauen for vertue hell for the desperate and heauen for the faythfull wher wer these prisoners and who were they and what was this pitte The text sayth that the prisoners were Iuda Ephraim Hierusalem and Sion and all the Iewes This pitte was their vicious lyfe their Idolatry their superstition and myserye out of the whiche hee deliuered them as out of a daungerous dongeon and pitifull pitte of misery wherin there was no water no consolation no grace noe remedy no deliuerance no recreation but profounde miserye withoute hope extreame desperation without faythe and vtter confusion and desolation Thou also throughe the bloude of thy couenaunt That is Thou O faythful generation saythe God the father vertuous family shalt bee saued by y e bloud of Christ which is thy couenaunt he was promised to shed his bloud for the Thus expoi●… dethe Vatablus Munster and Pe●… licane The 70. Interpretours 〈◊〉 Castalio applye this Sentence 〈◊〉 Christ And translate it thus a●… thoughe his father shoulde saye 〈◊〉 wyll deliuer thy prisoners oute 〈◊〉 the pitte wherein is no water b●… the bloude of thy couenaunt whic●… is the paschall Lambe euen Iesu●… Christ that was promised After Pagnine Reioyce saythe God ●… Hierusalem you Machabees i●… the bloud of Antiochus which y●… shedde for the defence of your co●… uenant the law After y ● ordinar●… Glose O Christ saye the Iew●… thou hast deliuered vs by the blou●… figured in the olde sacirfices out 〈◊〉 y ● lake dongeon of captiuity out●… of y e seruitu●…e of Babilon Wherefore ye Israelites sayth Go●… returne to the strong holde to the Faythe of CHRIST the sun Rocke forsake Idolatrye obserue religion dispyse superstition em●… brace Christianity leaue your inuencions clea●…e to Gods worde ye shall obtaine a double reward remission of your synnes which remission bringeth felicity and a deliuery from the lawe whereby the consience was troubled wherefore the opiniōs coniectures of Sophisters are to be condempned which peruerting this place dreame here vpon the Fathers whome they say should haue bene tormēted in y e prison of Limbus or hel vnto Christes cōmyng Heare you see that none aucthor vnlesse it be the barbarous schole men and ignorant aduersaries both in the tongues and in all other good learning did at anye time fansye any other exposition vnlesse BEDAE then the Texte requirethe Whiche is that the Prophete foreshewethe that when Christe shoulde come the Gentyles shoulde be cōuerred to y ● faith y e Iewes cōforted y ● true Israelites deliuered out of the pitt of disperation and out of all misery and so is the pitt vsed in the 40. psalme 2 verse wherefore the church which is meaned by Sion and Hierusalē should reioyce at the comming of Christ so is this place expounde●… in Mathew And Augustine sayth y ● this pit is the barre and diepe misery of mākind deliuered by Christ out of captiuitye into libertye oute of sorow into ioy out of calamitye into felicity out of disperation int●… security of conscience and out of 〈◊〉 doubte of d●…mnation in to the assured hope and comfortable exp●…ctation of all heauenly ioyes Smith Did not Christ louse the sorowes of hell was not he in great gryefe when he was in hell and sawe the Fathers there detayned againste theire willes What sorowes did he there susteyne 〈◊〉 there anye greater sorowes the●… to be in hell ys not sorowe som●… extreame punishement that vexethe ether the soule or the body if Christ had not suffered in his soule when he was in hell as great paynes as his body did vpon the crosse he had not satisfied for the soules but onely for the bodyes which he did vpon the crosse For the soules he suffered in hell or els our soules since Christ shoulde haue gone to hell as wel as they before Christ and haue beene there afflicted For there they suffered punishment or else he did louse no sorowes of Hell but sorowes of hel he did louse saith saynt Peter ergo the fathers were in sorowes Carlil A false principle bryngeth forth many absurdityes an vntrue translation deceueth the reader Not to searche the fountaine and Greeke text causeth erroure The blinde eateth many a flye Yt is not in Greke that Christ loused the sorowes of hell but that the father euen God himselfe loused the sorrowes of deathe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 You allege Policarpus because that he alleageth the olde Latine Text which hathe Solutis doloribus inferni when as hee meaneth the same that I doe I marueyll that ye do no better cōsider and expon̄d●… the Text for you saye that Chryste losed the sorowes of hell as Si●… Iohn Cheke reasoned once with me in open disputatiō in Cābridge till he called for a Greke Testamente The texte the sorowes o●… deathe you say that it was Christes soule that losed the sorwes of hell Peter saith y e it was God y e raysed him losed y e sorowes of death because that it was not possible y e he●… should be holden of it Peter sayth y e God did raise Christe oute of his graue as Paul sayth deathe hal●… no more power ouer him Who did louse y e sorowes of death do you no●… say that it was Christe but Peter sayth y e it was God his father What were these sorowes if deathe be a seperation of the soule from the bodie a dissolucion of y e whole mā thē are these sorowes such kind of maladies agonies as are either annexed to death or such griefes as folowe death or rather both Was not Christ extreamely afflicted whē for feare of death he swett drops in quantitie as big as drops of bloud what a pain was it to haue his side thruste throughe withe a Speare his heade crowned wyth Thornes ●…ys Armes and Legges nayled to the Tree his Bodie scourged hys Thryste quenched wyth Uyneger his Freendes to forsake hym hys Familiar to betraye hym hys Enemies to deryde hym What sorowe were hys Disciples in when they sawe him in suche extreame Paynes whiche CHRISTE tooke away by hys reiurrection If it be pleasure to mā to haue soule body togethere what a greyfe is it to haue them dissolued Did not Christ speake to this effecte when he sayde that he was assured th●… God his father would not leaue 〈◊〉 body in the graue so longe as vnt●… it

our purpose To louse the sorowes of deathe saythe Theodoret ys to be the first borne from the deade and by his Resurrection to bée an assured hope to all men that they shall ryse If Deathe bée a dissolution of the Bodye and Soule ERGO the ioyning of them is lyfe and so by CHRISTES resurrection the Sorowes of Deathe were dissolued Maister Smith you and all suche as you are and as you alledge are deceued because that you do not examine the text expend euery worde consider y e phrase reade the greke All you say y ● Peter speaketh here of Christes going to hell where he●… onely proueth that he is rysen againe Peter proueth that he is rysen by the wordes of Dauid you peruert Dauid and would falsely Peters interpretation allegation and vnderstand it of Christes going to hell Peter of his body you of his soule Peter saith y ● it was god y ● losed these sorowes of deathe and restored Christe to lyfe you saye not pondering the Greke that it was Christe that loused the sorowes of the faithfull fathers that were in Limbus and purgatory folowing a great clark Iohn Herolt●… a Fryer Dominique who sayth●… that Christ delyuered the Father●… out of Limbus and them oute 〈◊〉 purgatory when they were sufficientlye purged But Peter saith that it was God that losed these sorowes that abolished death and restored Christ 〈◊〉 life For thus it is in Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Whom god hath raised which God loused the sorowes of death 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is referred to 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and to none other thinge by your owne iudgmēt Now that I haue opened the texte vnto you whether shall I accuse you of ignorance that vnderstandeth not the text or of negligence that woulde not consider it of ignorance I will not for that you knowe that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 can haue none other substantiue but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 it foloweth then that ye are negligent in reading the text and so you are in all your authors For Augustine saith that Christ coulde not go to hell and louse sorowes but that he must nedes louse the sorowes of them that were there you saye that they were not in sorowe And where you saye that thys sorowe was not in Limbo where the fathers rested but in purgatory the saide Augustine denyethe bothe for hee makethe not foure Helles as you doe but one as th●… Scripture doth Two sayth hee Habitacions are out of this life the one in euerlasting fyre the other i●… an eternall kingdome Likewise two places hee assigneth in his fyfthe Booke Hypognostichon the one Heauen the other Hell And he sayth in Enchiri●…ion cap. 67. that they are deceiued that assigne a purging fire after this life In the nexte Worlde sayeth Saynt Augustine Tom. 4. pag 784. in quest ex vtroque mixto the●… remaineth nothing but ether rem●…neratiō or condēnation if August doth appoint but one hell then i●… your opinion odious your assertio●… vncertaine your phantasy pha●…tasticall y ● fathereth purgatory vpon saint Augustine so that you are burdened w t negligence ignorā●… y ● doth not discern chalke frō chese Smith I saye that S. Aug. affirmeth that the soules of the dead are rele●…ued by the deuotiō of thē that liue Carlil The other places of Augustine denye it and these in the margent and in the same Booke cap. 67. pa. 175. eodem Tomo Ye must either make Augustine M. Smithe Inconstaunt that affirmeth two contrary Sentences in one Booke within foure leaues or else that he had forgotten what hée had written before If you consider the place ye shall see that it was put in by some Purgatory patrone at what tyme the Romishe Catholiques did alter chaunge peruert Glose detorte Postill comment dispense deuise depraue and corrupt all good workes Let vs departe from Augustine and come to the other whiche you alleadge and you shall not finde ●…ne worde in all their workes that make for Purgatory but many that ●…eny it Although Damascene out of a place of Esaye 61. w t other Grecians doe affirme that Christ went to Hell notwithstandig he doth not as y●… do make foure hells neither do●… Damascene vnderstand Esaye trul●… Whether shall one giue more cr●… dit to Damascene or to Christ Christe interpreteth it of himselfe in the 4. of Luke verses 17. 18. 1●… Confer the place Esaye speaketh of them that we●… in earth Damascene of them in h●… Esaye to the liuing●… and notwithstanding captiued in sinne Dam●… cene to the dead Esay to them th●… might receiue grace Damascene the graceles Is there any grace 〈◊〉 hell any saluation any peace a●… remission any pardon any fayt●… hope or repentaunce Why do y●… falsefy Damascene saynge that h●… meaned Purgatory when as n●… ther he neither anye Grecians 〈◊〉 beleue it fourtene hundreth thi●… and nyne yeares after Christ 〈◊〉 the Councell holden at Ferrar N●… withstanding the Grecians y ● w●… at Ferrar in this generall Counce●… reuoked their opinion by the per●…wasion of Marcus Bishop of Ephe●…us when they returned home Do not M. Smithe defend Damascene for hee was condemned for an ●…dolater in the 7. Synode at Constantinople Lib. de Orthodoxa fide 4. cap 14. Moreouer hee first made 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Transmutation ●…ransfaction or transubstantiation of the bread into Christes naturall ●…ody and the wyne into his blood Neither saythe he maye any question be asked howe it commeth to ●…asse but aunswere Hoc est Corpus ●…eum This is my body This Damescene was a Iewe and conuerted became a Monke The most of the Gréekes neuer beleued any Purgatorye for they ●…enye it in all their generall Coū●…ells till the councell of Ferrar. Wherefore ye cannot alleadge thē to proue that CHRIST wente to Purgatorye neyther make they ●…ētiō of Limbus in all their works neyther of any such place For th●… make all but one Hell Where is nowe your Purgatorye or Limbus I haue proued sufficiently that y e Gréekes do not mean●… as you doe nor you as they If Ignatius had meaned th●… CHRISTE had gone to Hell surely hee had not meaned that h●… had gone to Limbus or Purgatory whither you meane he went F●… he maketh out of this lyfe but t●… places Heauen and Hell Ignatius saythe that thither di●… cēded CHRIST from whe●… a multitude rose withe him A●… this he proueth by Mathewe whe●… a great nomber of bodyes of the●… that sleeped did ryse oute of the●… Graues Are there anye Graues in Hell Were there any Bodyes in Hell for of Bodies speake both S. Math also Ignatius who saith y t they ro●… w t Christ ergo it was their bodyes for there is no resurrectiō of y ● soule Ignatius vnderstandethe the

not made in Hell but in Syrya about Libanus Wherefore this Spirite of Christ preached not in hell You say that CHRIST delyuered them that were in the state of Saluation either such faithefull Fathers as were in Limbus Patrum or suche as were neither so good as to bée in Limbus nor so despreate as to be in hell but to be as Newters and in a meane and therefore in purgatory But Peter saythe that this Spirite of CHRIST perached to the Obstynate and Desperate Gyantes and that in the dayes of NOAC If hée had preached in Hell should not hee as well haue Preached to CAIN and suche other as were before the floude as to ESAV and IVDAS and suche like whiche were after the floude If hée Preached to the Faithfull as you saye why dothe hée name the vnfaithfull Wherefore PETERS meanynge ys easelye to bée perceiued of the wise well knowen of the learned and fully awnswered to them that will not cal white black and blacke white If we should say saith Augustine that they that are in hell can beleue in Christ what absurdities should folowe contrary to our faith And howe coulde they haue bene deliuered out of hell if they had not beleued in him is there any deliuery any saluation any redemtion without him This place of Peter saith Augustine doth not pertaine to hell but to those dayes rather of Noac the forme whereof he applieth to these dayes Thus much Augustine with a manifest explanatiō of this place after the same order and maners that I do The Spirite of Christe preached where there was amendemente of Lyfe and there where the floud ouerflowed where the arke was made were 120. Yeares of repentance was giuen where eight persones were saued where Noe preached but none of these were in hell ergo this place is not vnderstand of Christ beinge in hell Smith I haue a place out of Peter that shall proue mine intent substan cially fortifie it strongly conclude with me effectually to the abolishment of all your argumentes and ex positions Doth not Peter say that the Gospell was preached to the dead and who are they that were dead were they not they that were in hell or rathere in purgatorye and in Limbus Carlil If you say that the Gospell was preached vnto the dead you either meane them that were a liue then when Peter liued and dead in synne which are all they that will not beleue as Lira expoūdeth this place or els ye meane thē that are dead and departed out of this life Smyth I meane that the Gospell was preached to the dead Carlil The dead are not called the Soules that liue but the bodyes which are dead You holde that the Fathers that were in Hell did liue Smyth So I holde Carlil Ergo they were not deade but you saye in this obiection that the Gospell was preached too th●… dead Are not the dead bodyes without Senses can they sée can the●… heare whose eares are in the earth●… consumed by tyme a●…d eaten with wormes Neither is this worde dead take●… at any tyme for them that liue 〈◊〉 the other life but is onelye appro●… pried to the body euen by the exposition of Tertullian A dead body is without lyfe soule and Senses Ergo it was the bodie●… that were dead and y e gospell therefore was not preached to them Wherefore we must saye that when Christ shall come to iudg●… the quicke and the Deade tha●… 〈◊〉 the quicke we meane them y ● ●…all bee alyue when Christe shall ●…me to Iudgement 1. Cor 15. by he deade suche Bodyes as sleepe 〈◊〉 their Graues till the last daye ●…d their foules either in payne or ●…easure in sorrowe or ●…olace 〈◊〉 felicity or misery in Torments 〈◊〉 in Ioye in Hell or Heauen ●…hyche beinge ioyned to their bo●…yes shall Receyue Sentence ei●…her to their Saluation or Con●…mnation The Gospell was preached to Adam nowe deade but then aliue ●…hen Christe Iehoua preached to ●…im the Seede of the woman to Noac nowe deade but then alyue ●…hen God tolde him that his Spi●…ite shoulde no longe●…●…tryue with ●…an To all other both that were either ●…aithful as the Prophets and Pa●…riarches were and the other faithfull or to y e vnfaythfull as to Caine ●…owe dead and then aliue to the Gyauntes before the floude no●… deade and then aliue Wheref●… did hee preache to them that th●… shoulde be iudged like other men●… fleshe that is that they might 〈◊〉 to synne and be mortifyed a●… shoulde lyue to God warde in 〈◊〉 Spirit Nowe the Gospell mortifieth s●… as beleue and raysethe them 〈◊〉 that they mighte lyue godlye a●… Spiritually The Gospell was preached to 〈◊〉 deade that is to men that are d●… in synne so is dead vsed Smith Howe aunswere you Mi●… cheas who sayethe that CHRIS●… ascended before them openinge t●… waye Carlil It wa●… not Christ but t●… Enemye some vnderstande it 〈◊〉 Nabucodonosor his Armye w●… assaulted and inuaded Hierusalem Nowe I wyll alleadge other mi●… myndes of the whiche not one 〈◊〉 them dothe alleadge yt as you 〈◊〉 you falsify the Texte and sorge ●…ther sense then euer Micheas ●…aned ●…is breaker was Sedechias who 〈◊〉 through the ruynous walles w t ●…ny others for hast to escape Af●… our English translation all this ●…ap is applied to y ● vtter destruc●…n of Hierusalem After Pagnine ●…s breaker of the wall was the ●…ngell whiche kylled the Assiri●…s and the King that went before 〈◊〉 Ezechias Others as Pellicane ●…unster and Castalio apply from ●…is place But I will gather the in ●…ede O Iacob vnto the ende all 〈◊〉 Christ who shall gather a great ●…ultitude at Hierusalem lyke ●…ckes of sheepe of suche a nomber ●…at they shal one opppesse another ●…e breaker of the gappe shall bee ●…essias who shall subdue your e●…emyes releue your miseryes and ●…ing you to felicity This Kynge ●…all goe before you Iehoua shall ●…e his name he shalbe your head guide But according to the let●… by this breaker vp is meaned 〈◊〉 Kinge of the Assirians and Bab●…nians withe their soldyours Smith I go saith Christ to prep●… you a place Ergo there were n●… in heauen before that Christ a●… ded to prepare a place Carlil Is this a good Argument●… you and I and halfe a score 〈◊〉 shoulde goe to London and 〈◊〉 should saye I am afearde that 〈◊〉 Innes should be taken vp t●… are so many that goe I wyll●… and prepare a place for vs. Doth yt nowe folowe that 〈◊〉 went to London before vs 〈◊〉 London emptye before Is th●… Citty where no Body dwellet●… Is that a Realme where there●… no Cytizens or Subiectes or t●… Heauē wher ther is no Saynct●… none inhabitauntes Let vs expounde the Text 〈◊〉 dinge to the Englishe Bible re●… in the Churches Christ seing his Disciples much ●…ered and troubled withe his sa●…ges as where he sayd that