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A80511 The Anabaptist washt and washt, and shrunk in the washing: or, A scholasticall discussion of the much-agitated controversie concerning infant-baptism; occasiond by a publike disputation, before a great assembly of ministers, and other persons of worth, in the Church of Newport-Pagnall, betwixt Mr Gibs minister there, and the author, Rich. Carpenter, Independent. Wherin also, the author occasionally, declares his judgement concerning the Papists; and afterwards, concerning Episcopacy. Carpenter, Richard, d. 1670? 1653 (1653) Wing C618; Thomason E1484_1; ESTC R208758 176,188 502

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he sacrificed his Prayer to God in this humble manner Averte Domine facie ●uam à peccatis meis c. Lord turne away the Face of thy Justice from my sins and from the sins of the People with me And though we have all deserved thine Anger yet in thy Child Jesus spare us by sparing this innocent Babe with us that never sinned against thee and is now received by thine Ordinance into thy Favour Which Prayer being ended the Tempest ended and the Sea became as harmelesse as the Child and as calme as the water wherein the pretty Babe was baptized We grown Persons are like Lampreys we have all some strong string or other of poysonous actuall … ination in us but Babes have not 〈◊〉 therefore Men are exhorted 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 wax ye or be ye 1 Cor. 14. 20. children in evill or malice especially baptized Babes translated to a new and heavenly condition and in whom is presented a most pleasant part of Musicke even that wherein the falling from a short Discord to a sweet Concord causeth more than ordinary sweetnesse CHAP. VI. THe holy Doctrine of Infant-Baptisme hath been soyl'd much and polluted How may it be reduced and recall'd to its Native Purity The Naturalists have found Albertus lib. de Gemmis by curious Inquisition That if a Pearle which is foule be swallowed into the wombe of a Dove and remaine there some while the Dove will give it againe most pure and Or●●ut So every Doctrine must be tryed and examined in the wombe of the Scripture-Dove the Holy Ghost which wombe is the Word of God proposed and interpreted by the Church of God And if the Doctrine be Pearle-proofe the Holy Ghost will quickly return it as such and free it from spots clouds deformity For the Church may well be subservient to the Scripture and the Scripture auxiliary to the Church in diverso Genere Causae puta Exemplaris instrumentalitèr effectivae Neither do the Logicians eliminate such Circles or Circulations of Arguments nor do such make us giddy Prophetae saith St Hierom appellabantur St Hieron ep ad Paulinum de sacra Scriptura videntes quia videbant cum quem caeteri non videbant The Prophets were called Se●rs because they saw Dono Prophetiae by the gift of Prophecy which gave them to foresee and understandingly to declare their foresight their Prediction including Prevision quia praedicebant ex Praevisione in the which they differed from the Sibyls who neither foresaw the things they Prophesied nor perfectly understood their own Declarations Christ whom the common Herd saw not The Prophets and Apostles in their Holy Writings and the Church interpreting them discover Supernaturall Truths to us which we know not by other meanes and their Testimonies are irresistible The Chymists and Alchumists Chymistae Alchymistae are agreed that the most tried way of effecting the strange Transmutations of bodies in Oyles Plants Minerals is to endeavour and urge pressingly by all means the reducing of them to their old Nothing The Scripture-Texts for Infant-Baptism are so substantiall and solid that rather than they shall prove nothing for it they take strange and many shapes every shape shaping a proofe It is a secret of secrets in Sounds That the whole Sound is not in the whole Aire only but also in every minute Part of the Aire otherwise one and the same Sound could not beat upon many eares and come with all the differences of it in such diversities of convenient Distance and Place True it is of the Apostles Their line is gone out thorough all the Earth and their words to the end of Psal 19. 4. the World as the Hebrew or as the Text. Hebr. Sept. Lectio Vulgat Septuagint 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sensed by the Vulgar In omnem terram exivit sonus corum their sound is gone forth into all the earth and strictly followed by St Paul and the Arabicks Rom. 10. 18. Arab. Alex. Arab. Antioch Interpretes Syr. or as both the Syriack Interpreters Evangelium vel Annuciatio corum Their Gospell or Annunciation is gone forth All these running after the Septuagint in the neere Path of the Sense not with the Hebrew in the Road of the Letter May the Evangelicall sound of the Apostles in this matter reach even to the end of the World and come wholly to every mans and womans eares thorough all the earth The Great Wheele in the Worke after which and impelled by which all others move and the turning of which as the first movable shall be my care is to prove that the words of Christ Except a man be Joh. 3. 5. borne of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdome of God preach Baptism CHAP. VII SOme of the blockish and more earthy kind seeme to be scrupled and scandalized that I have sometimes reformed a Text in the English Translation of the Bible by retriving it in the Original Which notwithstanding ought to be faithfully done by a faithfull Teacher for many Reasons one whereof I shall here indigitate Because the English Translation is now and then so large profuse redundant and running over and so spreading it selfe beyond the modest limits of the Original that it opens a way and window for an Adversary of Truth which the Originall shutteth up and blocketh against him As here The English Translation gives Except a man be borne c. And the Adversary swallows presently and concludes in haste Therefore if the Text hands forth Baptisme the baptized Person must be a grown man as the word man commonly imports Now can I be a faithfull and equall examiner and Preacher of Gods Word and conceale the discrasie of the Translation and the present Obstruction of Truth knowing that the Originall saith only 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the Vulgar Text. Graec. Edit vulgat answerably Nisi quis renatus fuerit Except one be borne And that except a Child be not one he is not excluded from Baptisme by the warrant of this Text but affixed to it Here the senselesse Censurer ignorantly retorts upon me that I speake my selfe wiser than all the English Interpreters of the Bible and set them before my Tribunall and above all this that I correct the Word of God when I am indeed Gods Advocate and set my selfe before the Tribunall of all the learned Knowers of the Originall to whom I humbly appeale as Judges and when I only vindicate Gods known Word from grosse errour and misinterpretation and protest against it lest I should partake of it according to the Rule in the Canon Law Error Gratian. D 80. C. error cui non cui non resistitur approbatur We approve the Errour which we do not resist The Black within the White is These blockish and dull-soul'd Censurers know no other Language than Mam-English or their mother Tongue and they would faine have the whole worke of sounding Scripture by the Line and
utterly deny and heartily renounce that I am a Papist in the Sense of the common Sectaries and others of the speckled Rout and miscellaneous Rabble who call me so I never was an Anabaptist or had a Congregation heaving that way God Almighty knows and the world can testifie though now after our Disputation and the success of it the adverse Party hath most unworthily started this insipid Scandall of me and as impudently defends it These are they who leave altogether Viam Regiam the Princely way of Truth and turne aside to lies Or according Psal 40. 4. li dit vulgat to the Vulgar insanias falsas false madnesses Or in the words of the Septuagint 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 lying Sept. madnesses Or acceptably to the Hebrew stamp impressed by St Hierom Pompam mendacii the S. Hier. in Psal 40. worldly Pomp of a lye These although they should be in Ecclesia in the Church yet could not be de Ecclesia of the Church neither could they pertinere ad Regnum pertaine to the Kingdom For without are dogs persons Apoc. 22. 15 barking and biting and tearing as they go and sorcerers and whoremongers and murderers and idolaters and whosoever loveth and maketh a lye The Doctrine of Aquinas D. Tho. 1. 2. q. 18. art 2. Interpretes ibi and of the Schooles is true Humane Acts do take their Species or kinds from their Objects and if the Object be good the Act is good If the Object evill the Act evill in such a kind of Vertue or Vice wherein the Object is placed or to which it is drawn or perverted Because the Object being loved and efficaciously desired by the will is alwaies in the matter pulled home to it and so refunds its goodnesse or badnesse upon it Therefore the will which loveth and maketh a lye and by loving it is habituated to it is habitually evill in that kind Standing upon this firme Ground St Austine preacheth S. Aug. ep 52. ad Macidonium Non faciunt bonos vel malos mores nisi boni vel mali amores Good or evill Love makes good or evill Manners And againe Talis est Idem Tract 2. in ep 3. Joann● quisque qualis est ejus dilectio Every one is such as his Love is Love being the first and the Queen of Passions in the Soule and the rest all servants and of the Traine In truth and sans lying It appeares to me that if Archimides were alive he would sooner undertake to number the sands of the Sea than to sum up the Lies of such lovers and makers of Lies I have been rather a constant and sedulous Opposer of Anabaptists being actuated thereunto S. Bern. lib. 4. de Confid ad Eugen. Pontis Similia habet Serm. 34 in Cantica by the grievous complaint of St Bernard Cadit Asina est qui sublevet eam perit Anima nemo est qui reputet A she-Asse falls and the Owner presently runs and lifts her up A Soule perishes and there is no man who considers as he ought to consider how pretious a Iewell a Soule is or what is lost when a soule is lost As first in their first holding up their head I opposed them and all their Tub-men by publike Disputation at Wapping Where I extorted from the Minister of the place by the rack of Argument that his Congregation was the Synagogue of Satan who thereupon was defeated and fairely driven to the quick use of his Heeles by his own Congregation and ran as if Satan himselfe had been at his heels And afterwards at Doctor Chamberlain's house and in the faire and amiable presence of his Fairy-Congregation where I devoutly heard from him a long Discourse comparing while his young she-Disciples encircled him in clusters natuturall generation with Regeneration and being in proper Language a learned Lecture of Man-Midwifry And where afterwards going up to the mouth of him I tore from his lips that we might baptize Children did they not shew resistance and the resistance wherewith he defended himselfe in the push of Argument is Children usually cry in the sprinkling of the water on their Faces Whereupon I replied that by the same Reason Children newly-borne and feeling the cold Aire and crying should not after such resistance be continued and entertained amongst us but speedily returned into their mothers wombs And there I left him ready to do his Office but not able to say a word for himselfe or make any resistance So that the pious Observation which holy St Austin used S. Aug. lib. 1. de Peccator meriti● remissione cap. 23. for the magnifying of the Mercy of God in his Ordinance and for the commendation of the charity of Christians in administring it Flendo vagiendo cùm in eis Mysterium celebratur ipsis mysticis vocibus obstrepunt Infants by crying when the Mystery is rightly celebrated upon them noise it against the mysticall words Our womans-Doctor seriously abused and turned against God's blessed Ordinance and the charitable and righteous administration of it What Christian emolument came of the good which I wrought at the Spittle by tormenting the Anabaptists there those petty Chapmen and Pedlers of Divinity and by stopping their Pestiducts let the judicious Hearers for such there were of my Companions in every meeting judge And now with what strange and powerfull water these men have washed their Foreheads or how they have hardened them I know not as being altogether ignorant of this their mysterious Trade Yet I beleeve Hieronymus Hier. Cardan lib. 6. de Subtilit Cardanus in his report that he saw a man at Millan being an Italian City who washed his face and hands with scalding lead as carelesly and as confidently as a man washeth his hands and face with ordinary water but he had first washed them with an extraordinary new-sound and hardening water of his own I forget As the Physitian describes the Disease so he prescribes the Cure These must be cured in their Hearts and Roots In their Actions and Lives Men have learned the way of changing bitter Almond Trees into sweet-ones which is they pierce them neere to the Root and let forth the bitter juyce So these bitter-hearted men and women should let their perverse and sower Inclinations forth at the Root of their Hearts and become of bitter better And the Physitians that they may draw the vapours from the Head of the Patient apply Pigeons to the soles of his Feet If these black Saints would walke innocently and with Pigeons at their feet they should not be troubled with such grosse and idle fumes in their Braines If they will not The Palm-Tree being in some sense the Phenix of Plants will grow strait and tall and shew fresh and have sweet branches howsoever at the Foot thereof outwardly there may be Troups of unpleasant Frogs of poysonous Toads and of ugly Serpents crying and croaking and hissing and making a mixt noise that