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A59095 Table-talk, being discourses of John Seldon, Esq or his sense of various matters of weight and high consequence, relating especially to religion and state. Selden, John, 1584-1654. 1696 (1696) Wing S2438; ESTC R3639 74,052 204

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Baptism 2. The Baptising of Children with us does only prepare a Child against he comes to be a Man to understand what Christianity means In the Church of Rome it has this Effect it frees Children from Hell They say they go into Limbus Infantum It succeeds Circumcision and we are sure the Child understood nothing of that at eight Days old why then may not we as reasonably baptise a Child at that Age in England of late years I ever thought the Parson baptiz'd his own Fingers rather than the Child 3. In the Primitive Times they had God-fathers to see the Children brought up in the Christian Religion because many times when the Father was a Christia● the Mother was not and sometimes when the Mother was a Christian the Father was not and therefore they made choice of two or more that were Christians to see their Children brought up in that Faith Bastard 1. 'T IS said the 23d of Deuteron 2. A Bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord even to the tenth Generation Non ingredietur in Ecclesiam Domini he shall not enter into the Church The meaning of the Phraise is he shall not marry a Jewish Woman But upon this grosly mistaken a Bastard at this Day in the Church of Rome without a Dispensation cannot take Orders the thing haply well enough where 't is so settled but 't is upon a Mistake the Place having no reference to the Church appears plainly by what follows at the third Verse An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the Congregation of the Lord even to the tenth Generation Now you know with the Jews an Ammonite or a Moabite could never be a Priest because their Priests were born so not made Bible Scripture 1. 'T IS a great Question how we know Scripture to be Scripture whether by the Church or by Man's private Spirit Let me ask you how I know any thing how I know this Carpet to be green First because some body told me it was green that you call the Church in your Way Then after I have been told it is green when I see that Colour again I know it to be green my own Eyes tell me it is green that you call the private Spirit 2. The English Translation of the Bible is the best Translation in the World and renders the Sense of the Original best taking in for the English Translation the Bishop's Bible as well as King James's The Translation in King James's time took an excellent way That Part of the Bible was given to him who was most excellent in such a Tongue as the Apocrypha to Andrew Downs and then they met together and one read the Translation the rest holding in their Hands some Bible either of the learned Tongues or French Spanish Italian c. if they found any Fault they spoke if not he read on 3. There is no Book so translated as the Bible for the purpose If I translate a French Book into English I turn it into English Phrase not into French English Il fait froid I say 't is cold not it makes cold but the Bible is rather translated into English Words than into English Phrase The Hebraisms are kept and the Phrase of that Language is kept As for Example He uncover'd her Shame which is well enough so long as Scholars have to do with it but when it comes among the Common People Lord what Jeer do they make of it 4. Scrutamini Scripturas These two Words have undone the World because Christ spake it to his Disciples therefore we must all Men Women and Children read and interpret the Scripture 5. Henry the Eighth made a Law that all Men might read the Scripture except Servants but no Woman except Ladies and Gentlewomen who had Leisure and might ask somebody the Meanning The Law was repeal'd in Edward the Sixth's Days 6. Lay-men have best interpreted the hard Places in the Bible such as Johannes Picus Scaliger Grotius Salmansius Heinsius c. 7. If you ask which of Erasmus Beza or Grotius did best upon the New Testament 't is an idle Question For they all did well in their Way Erasmus broke down the first Brick Beza added many things and Grotius added much to him in whom we have either something new or something heighten'd that was said before and so 't was necessary to have them all three 8. The Text serves only to guess by we must satisfie our selves fully out of the Authors that liv'd about those times 9. In interpreting the Scripture many do as if a Man should see one have ten Pounds which he reckon'd by 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. meaning four was but four Unites and five sive Unites c. and that he had in all but ten Pounds the other that sees him takes not the Figures together as he doth but picks here and there and thereupon reports that he hath five Pounds in one Bag and six Pounds in another Bag and nine Pounds in another Bag c. when as in truth he hath but ten Pounds in all So we pick out a Text here and there to make it serve our turn whereas if we take it altogether and consider'd what went before and what followed after we should find it meant no such thing 10. Make no more Alegories in Scripture than needs must the Fathers were too frequent in them they indeed before they fully understood the literal Sense look'd out for an Alegory The Folly whereof you may conceive thus Here at the first sight appears to me in my Window a Glass and a Book I take it for granted 't is a Glass and a Book thereupon I go about to tell you what they signifie afterwards upon nearer view they prove no such thing one is a Box made like a Book the other is a Picture made like a Glass where 's now my Alegory 11. When Men meddle with the literal Text the Question is where they should stop In this Case a Man must venture his Discretion and do his best to satisfie himself and others in those Places where he doubts for although we call the Scripture the Word of God as it is yet it was writ by a Man a mercenary Man whose Copy either might be false or he might make it false For Example here were a thousand Bibles printed in England with the Text thus Thou shalt commit Adultery the Word not left out might not this Text be mended 12. The Scripture may have more Senses besides the Literal because God understands all things at once but a Man's Writing has but one true Sense which is that which the Author meant when he writ it 13. When you meet with several Readings of the Text take heed you admit nothing against the Tenets of your Church but do as if you were going over a Bridge be sure you hold fast by the Rail and then you may dance here and there as you please be sure you keep to what is