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212._o authority_n of_o the_o church_n and_o scripture_n chap._n 30._o nu_fw-la 4._o b_o baptism_n of_o infant_n by_o scripture_n pag._n 151._o nu_fw-la 3._o the_o bull_n against_o mich._n baius_n pag._n 48._o nu_fw-la 5._o c_o catholic_a discipline_n what_o pag._n 5._o church_n define_v and_o distinguish_v pag._n 365._o nu_fw-la 2._o the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n at_o large_a chap._n 37.38.39_o in_o what_o sense_n the_o church_n militant_a be_v sometime_o invisible_a pag._n 355._o 360._o 373._o hypocrite_n not_o true_a member_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 369._o where_o the_o church_n be_v before_o luther_n 386._o 390._o 394._o how_o the_o church_n be_v subject_a to_o error_n pag._n 421._o nu_fw-la 2._o counsel_n subject_a to_o error_n chap._n 47._o charles_n the_o emperor_n his_o book_n against_o image_n pag._n 458._o nu_fw-la 5._o conception_n of_o the_o b._n virgin_n in_o sin_n chap._n 49._o communion_n in_o one_o kind_n chap._n 55._o e_o celebration_n of_o easter_n pag._n 150._o nu_fw-la 2._o err_v the_o church_n may_v err_v pag._n 421._o nu_fw-la 2._o and_o how_o counsel_n chap._n 47._o error_n come_v in_o by_o degree_n into_o the_o church_n pag._n 519._o nu_fw-la 1._o f_o father_n their_o consent_n with_o protestant_n pag._n 410._o and_o chap._n 45._o they_o profess_v not_o papistry_n chap._n 43._o the_o papist_n manner_n of_o reject_v they_o pag._n 177._o fundamental_a and_o not_o fundamental_a point_n of_o faith_n chap._n 17._o frankford_n council_n against_o image_n chap._n 48._o g_o grace_n assurance_n of_o grace_n chap._n 16._o gregory_n what_o faith_n he_o teach_v pag._n 433._o h_o hypocrite_n no_o true_a member_n of_o the_o church_n pag._n 369._o hildebrands_n doctrine_n touch_v the_o pope_n power_n over_o prince_n pag._n 27._o nu_fw-la 2._o &_o inde_fw-la i_o jesuite_n when_o and_o to_o what_o purpose_n ordain_v pag._n 13._o the_o maintainer_n of_o turbulencie_n and_o treason_n pag._n 25._o and_o 81._o charge_v with_o purge_v book_n pag._n 56._o and_o 72._o with_o inhumanity_n pag._n 87._o with_o train_v up_o their_o people_n in_o ignorance_n pag._n 54._o and_o 92._o invocation_n of_o saint_n by_o prayer_n chap._n 13._o and_o 14_o implicit_a faith_n and_o all_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o papist_n touch_v the_o same_o chap._n 23._o image_n worship_n and_o the_o doctrine_n of_o rome_n touch_v the_o same_o pag._n 453._o and_o 528._o and_o chap._n 53._o justification_n of_o the_o gentile_n chap._n 22._o nu_fw-la 1._o l_o the_o laity_n forbid_v the_o scripture_n pag._n 479._o permit_v in_o ancient_a time_n to_o read_v they_o chap._n 51._o luther_n whence_o he_o have_v his_o assurance_n and_o who_o teach_v he_o pag._n 320._o nu_fw-la 8._o his_o reject_v the_o father_n pag._n 310._o nu_fw-la 2._o he_o seek_v reformation_n with_o all_o humility_n pag._n 317._o where_o the_o church_n be_v afore_o his_o time_n pag._n 386._o and_o 390._o and_o 394._o m_o marriage_n of_o priest_n chap._n 52._o and_o chap._n 58._o nu_fw-la 2._o mass_n priest_n see_v jesuite_n mass_n pag._n 74._o and_o chap._n 58._o nu_fw-la 5._o merit_n chap._n 7._o and_o chap._n 58._o nu_fw-la 4._o n_o the_o second_o nicen_n council_n chap._n 48._o o_o original_a sin_n pag._n 530._o nu_fw-la 6._o p_o peter_n be_v at_o rome_n and_o be_v bishop_n of_o rome_n pag._n 534._o nu_fw-la 2._o pope_n how_o many_o prince_n he_o have_v be_v traitor_n to_o pag._n 34._o nu_fw-la 3._o the_o papist_n make_v he_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o judge_v of_o all_o pag._n 67._o and_o 79._o and_o 299._o and_o chap._n 34._o and_o 35._o his_o supremacy_n chap._n 54._o and_o pag._n 525._o his_o succeed_a of_o peter_n pag._n 537._o nu_fw-la 2._o and_o 3._o he_o have_v err_v and_o be_v a_o heretic_n even_o in_o cathedra_fw-la pag._n 543._o nu_fw-la 7._o purge_v of_o book_n pag._n 56._o and_o 72._o prayer_n to_o saint_n chap._n 13._o and_o 14._o for_o the_o dead_a chap._n 57_o nu_fw-la 3._o protestant_n religion_n whether_o it_o bring_v man_n to_o desperation_n p._n 401._o nu_fw-la 8._o pardon_n chap._n 57_o nu_fw-la 2._o purgatory_n chap._n 57_o nu_fw-la 2._o priest_n marriage_n chap._n 52._o and_o chap._n 58._o nu_fw-la 2._o predestination_n whether_o for_o grace_v foresee_v pag._n 220._o nu_fw-la 10._o &_o inde_fw-la predetermination_n of_o man_n will_n by_o god_n will_n pag._n 236._o nu_fw-la 21._o papist_n cast_v off_o the_o father_n pag._n 177._o maintain_v salvation_n without_o the_o knowledge_n of_o christ_n pag._n 162._o have_v change_v the_o ancient_a faith_n pag._n 339._o purge_v the_o ancient_a writing_n pag._n 56._o and_o 72._o r_o rome_n a_o whore_n pag._n 11._o n._n 2._o roman_a clergy_n their_o covetousness_n ch._n 4._o nu_fw-la 1._o and_o ch._n 5._o their_o charity_n pag._n 23._o nu_fw-la 3._o real_a presence_n pag._n 76._o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o the_o property_n thereof_o ch._n 26._o and_o ch._n 35_o nu_fw-la 6._o s_o scripture_n put_v down_o pag._n 9_o and_o 65._o and_o 79._o and_o 250._o translation_n thereof_o into_o the_o vulgar_a tongue_n pag._n 63._o and_o ch._n 51._o such_o translation_n forbid_v the_o laity_n pag._n 479._o nu_fw-la 2._o scripture_n prove_v and_o expound_v itself_o ch._n 19_o and_o 20._o and_o 32._o the_o sufficiency_n thereof_o against_o tradition_n ch._n 27._o and_o 30._o and_o 31._o and_o pag._n 274._o obscurity_n and_o perspicuity_n of_o it_o ch._n 29._o the_o light_n of_o it_o pag._n 280._o what_o certainty_n or_o infallibility_n there_o be_v in_o translation_n ch._n 28._o how_o particular_a man_n be_v assure_v of_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n pag._n 314._o spirit_n private_a ch._n 32._o and_o pag._n 315._o saint_n their_o invocation_n ch._n 13._o and_o 14._o how_o they_o be_v suppose_v to_o hear_v us._n pag._n 105._o sufficient_a grace_n whether_o give_v to_o all_o pag._n 231._o nu_fw-la 15._o succession_n of_o the_o true_a faith_n in_o the_o church_n how_o it_o be_v ch._n 44._o succession_n of_o the_o romish_a faith_n set_v forth_o in_o catalogue_n how_o 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the_o unlearned_a know_v they_o to_o be_v sincere_a the_o new_a translation_n late_o set_v forth_o by_o the_o king_n authority_n defend_v momus_n in_o his_o humour_n the_o subordination_n of_o mean_n chap._n 29._o touch_v the_o obscurity_n of_o the_o scripture_n the_o necessity_n of_o mean_n to_o be_v use_v for_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o scripture_n prove_v not_o the_o obscurity_n tradition_n debar_v a_o council_n be_v above_o the_o pope_n the_o scripture_n of_o itself_o easy_a to_o all_o that_o use_v it_o as_o they_o shall_v the_o certain_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o the_o assurance_n thereof_o be_v not_o by_o tradition_n chap._n 30._o touch_v the_o all-sufficiencie_n of_o scripture_n to_o the_o matter_n of_o faith_n it_o show_v itself_o to_o be_v god_n word_n luther_n deny_v s._n james_n epistle_n how_o the_o papist_n expound_v the_o light_n of_o the_o scripture_n what_o they_o and_o what_o we_o hold_v about_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n how_o express_a 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56._o heretical_a and_o temerarious_a or_o further_a then_o as_o he_o hold_v it_o with_o violence_n and_o passion_n let_v he_o read_v the_o bull_n and_o he_o shall_v find_v therein_o many_o proposition_n that_o himself_o will_v not_o condemn_v the_o second_o be_v that_o as_o a_o evil_a work_n of_o his_o nature_n merit_v eternal_a death_n so_o a_o good_a work_n of_o it_o own_o nature_n merit_v eternal_a life_n yet_o 6._o yet_o sicut_fw-la se_fw-la habet_fw-la culpa_fw-la ad_fw-la poenam_fw-la ita_fw-la opus_fw-la virtutis_fw-la ad_fw-la gloriam_fw-la sed_fw-la culpa_fw-la ex_fw-la condigno_fw-la meretur_fw-la poenam_fw-la ergo_fw-la &_o actus_fw-la virtutis_fw-la ex_fw-la condigno_fw-la meretur_fw-la vitaem_fw-la aeternam_fw-la tho._n 2._o d._n 27._o art_n 3._o quae_fw-la quidem_fw-la satis_fw-la indicant_fw-la non_fw-la minus_fw-la sempiternam_fw-la foelicitatem_fw-la iustorum_fw-la esse_fw-la praeclaris_fw-la operibus_fw-la debitam_fw-la quà m_fw-la aeternos_fw-la cruciatus_fw-la 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thereof_o to_o serve_v the_o present_a turn_n when_o he_o have_v no_o true_a understanding_n of_o the_o drift_n and_o purpose_n of_o it_o chap._n viii_o 1._o the_o papacy_n bring_v in_o by_o satan_n 2._o the_o jesuite_n spirit_n of_o contradiction_n 3._o the_o church_n of_o rome_n revolt_v the_o five_o patriarch_n be_v equal_a at_o the_o first_o 4._o plain_a scripture_n against_o the_o papacy_n 5._o the_o ignorance_n of_o popish_a laity_n 6._o corruption_n of_o writing_n by_o the_o papist_n 7._o reformation_n desire_v long_o afore_o it_o come_v 8_o 9_o advice_n give_v to_o a.d._n a._n d._n in_o the_o same_o preface_n i_o find_v many_o other_o notable_a untruth_n 27._o pag._n 27._o as_o §_o 3._o where_o he_o affirm_v that_o the_o papacy_n be_v bring_v in_o by_o satan_n at_o the_o first_o and_o be_v still_o continue_a only_o to_o seduce_v the_o world_n 1_o by_o the_o papacy_n i_o mean_v all_o that_o mass_n of_o innumerable_a error_n in_o doctrine_n and_o church-governement_n wherein_o 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between_o the_o devil_n and_o a_o apostata_fw-la or_o a_o heretic_n therefore_o i_o add_v that_o to_o communicate_v with_o the_o papacy_n be_v to_o follow_v 4.1_o follow_v 1._o tim._n 4.1_o the_o doctrine_n of_o devil_n a._n d._n and_o again_o 28._o pag_n 28._o that_o catholic_n seek_v nothing_o but_o to_o be_v contrary_a to_o protestant_n and_o even_o hate_v the_o name_n of_o peace_n 2_o i_o do_v not_o only_o say_v this_o but_o i_o show_v it_o also_o first_o by_o relate_v the_o pain_n that_o in_o vain_a and_o to_o no_o purpose_n have_v be_v take_v with_o they_o to_o bring_v they_o to_o reconciliation_n and_o namely_o at_o the_o conference_n at_o regenspurge_n where_o diverse_a point_n be_v agree_v it_o be_v well_o know_v how_o ecchius_n a_o man_n of_o a_o unquiet_a spirit_n ratispon_n spirit_n see_v his_o apol._n adu_fw-la bucer_n sup_v act_n colloq_fw-la ratispon_n labour_v to_o dissolve_v the_o agreement_n and_o discredit_v all_o that_o be_v do_v with_o the_o emperor_n and_o state_n 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his_o law_n equal_a to_o the_o king_n be_v as_o much_o as_o if_o they_o thrust_v the_o king_n out_o of_o the_o throne_n for_o a_o wife_n to_o yield_v those_o duty_n to_o a_o neighbour_n that_o be_v proper_a to_o her_o husband_n make_v she_o a_o adulteress_n though_o otherwise_o she_o deny_v he_o nothing_o and_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o the_o jesuite_n say_v the_o apocrypha_fw-la be_v esteem_v canonical_a scripture_n in_o the_o ancient_a church_n for_o 348._o for_o legit_fw-la quidem_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la sed_fw-la eos_fw-la inter_fw-la canonicas_fw-la scripturas_fw-la non_fw-la recipit_fw-la etc._n etc._n jero_n praef_n in_o prou._n non_fw-la sunt_fw-la in_o canone_o praef._n in_o 1._o reg._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n conc._n laodic_n e_o ult._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d athan._n synop_v p._n 63._o athanasius_n reckon_v the_o book_n of_o scripture_n according_a to_o the_o mind_n of_o the_o nicen_n council_n say_v bâ—ron_n a_o 63._o n._n 10._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d melito_n apud_fw-la euseb_n hist_o pag._n 43._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d origen_n apud_fw-la euseb_n pag_n 65._o haec_fw-la sunt_fw-la quae_fw-la patres_fw-la intra_fw-la canonem_fw-la concluserunt_fw-la ex_fw-la quibus_fw-la fidei_fw-la nostrae_fw-la assertiones_fw-la constare_fw-la voluerunt_fw-la sciendum_fw-la tamen_fw-la est_fw-la quod_fw-la &_o alij_fw-la libri_fw-la sunt_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la canonici_fw-la sed_fw-la ecclesiastici_fw-la à _fw-la majoribus_fw-la appellati_fw-la sunt_fw-la quae_fw-la omne_fw-la legi_fw-la quidem_fw-la in_o ecclesiis_fw-la voluerunt_fw-la non_fw-la tamen_fw-la proferri_fw-la ad_fw-la authoritatem_fw-la ex_fw-la his_fw-la fiâ—ei_fw-la confirmandam_fw-la cypr._n exp_v symb_n n._n 36._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n epiph._n pag._n 534._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d cyril_n jerosol_n pag._n 30._o catech._n hic_fw-la verissimus_fw-la divinitus_fw-la datarum_fw-la est_fw-la scripturarum_fw-la canon_n amphiloch_n 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and_o so_o unable_a to_o support_v the_o cause_n since_o that_o the_o clear_a definition_n thereof_o be_v still_o call_v in_o question_n by_o themselves_o as_o 36._o as_o digr_n 36._o i_o make_v demonstration_n the_o which_o be_v the_o true_a reason_n of_o his_o mislike_n he_o dissemble_v and_o only_a reply_n that_o these_o condition_n be_v either_o not_o necessary_a or_o else_o include_v in_o the_o other_o 3._o the_o former_a of_o which_o be_v not_o true_a the_o latter_a that_o they_o be_v include_v in_o the_o condition_n of_o infalliblenesse_n i_o will_v not_o contend_v about_o only_o i_o note_v they_o for_o the_o more_o distinct_a and_o particular_a explication_n of_o that_o which_o must_v belong_v to_o the_o rule_n and_o so_o in_o this_o point_n there_o shall_v be_v no_o variance_n chap._n xxvii_o 1._o the_o replier_n terginersation_n 2._o 3._o the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n touch_v the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o scripture_n alone_o and_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o church_n ministry_n 3._o the_o speech_n of_o diverse_a papist_n against_o the_o perfection_n of_o the_o scripture_n 4._o in_o what_o sense_n scripture_n alone_o be_v not_o sufficient_a 177._o pag._n 177._o a._n d._n concern_v the_o seven_o chapter_n if_o my_o adversary_n do_v not_o ignorant_o or_o wilful_o pervert_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n they_o can_v not_o have_v have_v colour_n to_o make_v so_o long_a discourse_n about_o this_o chapter_n as_o they_o do_v both_o make_v my_o question_n be_v not_o whether_o scripture_n be_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n but_o whether_o it_o alone_o be_v the_o rule_n and_o mean_v ordain_v by_o god_n to_o breed_v in_o man_n that_o one_o infallible_a entire_a faith_n which_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n this_o my_o question_n my_o adversary_n pervert_v first_o in_o that_o they_o will_v glad_o as_o it_o seem_v make_v man_n believe_v that_o we_o exclude_v scripture_n from_o be_v in_o any_o sort_n the_o rule_n of_o faith_n and_o thereupon_o 11._o 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pastor_n of_o the_o church_n this_o my_o adversary_n may_v have_v understand_v even_o by_o the_o very_a title_n of_o this_o chapter_n in_o regard_n i_o say_v not_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n but_o scripture_n alone_o be_v not_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n second_o they_o pervert_v the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n in_o that_o they_o take_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n otherwise_o than_o i_o do_v and_o otherwise_o then_o according_a to_o the_o drift_n of_o the_o precedent_a chapter_n whereupon_o this_o present_a chapter_n do_v depend_v they_o ought_v to_o do_v for_o whereas_o there_o may_v be_v distinguish_v in_o this_o matter_n first_o that_o which_o be_v a_o rule_n of_o faith_n but_o not_o the_o ordinary_a sufficient_a mean_n ordain_v by_o god_n to_o breed_v faith_n in_o man_n viz_o the_o divine_a reveal_v verity_n as_o they_o be_v in_o themselves_o second_o that_o which_o be_v so_o a_o
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christ_n mean_v in_o the_o creed_n the_o mother_n of_o believer_n who_o faith_n can_v fail_v not_o any_o special_a church_n not_o the_o african_a as_o donatus_n say_v not_o the_o particular_a roman_a church_n but_o the_o universal_a church_n not_o assemble_v in_o a_o general_a council_n which_o we_o know_v have_v sometime_o err_v but_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o christ_n disperse_v through_o the_o whole_a world_n since_o the_o baptism_n of_o christ_n by_o the_o apostle_n and_o their_o successor_n to_o these_o time_n be_v it_o which_o contain_v the_o true_a faith_n and_o hold_v the_o certain_a truth_n in_o the_o midst_n of_o all_o error_n second_o for_o any_o part_n of_o this_o catholic_a church_n in_o this_o or_o that_o time_n or_o country_n as_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o greece_n rome_n corinth_n or_o any_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n congregat_v in_o a_o council_n either_o general_a or_o particular_a three_o for_o the_o papacy_n or_o romish_a church_n peculiarly_a contain_v that_o faction_n which_o embrace_v the_o romish_a religion_n and_o life_n under_o the_o pope_n subjection_n in_o which_o sense_n my_o adversary_n and_o all_o papist_n always_o use_v the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n 1._o church_n est_fw-la coetus_fw-la hominum_fw-la eiusdem_fw-la christianae_n fidei_fw-la professione_n &_o corundem_fw-la sacramentorum_fw-la communione_fw-la colligatus_fw-la sub_fw-la reginunt_fw-la legitimorum_fw-la pastorum_fw-la ac_fw-la precipuè_fw-fr unius_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o terris_fw-la vicarij_fw-la romani_fw-la pontificis_fw-la excluduntur_fw-la schismatici_fw-la qui_fw-la habent_fw-la fidem_fw-la in_o sacramenta_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la subsunt_fw-la legitimo_fw-la pastori_fw-la bell._n the_o eccl_n milit_fw-la c._n 2._o est_fw-la visibilis_fw-la hominum_fw-la câ—etus_fw-la sub_fw-la christo_fw-la apite_fw-la &_o â—â—us_o in_o terris_fw-la vicario_n pastore_v ac_fw-la summo_fw-la pontifice_fw-la agens_fw-la simanch_n cath._n instit_fw-la tâ—t_fw-la 24._o n._n 1._o define_v it_o by_o this_o romish_a faith_n with_o subjection_n to_o the_o pope_n and_o exclude_v from_o it_o all_o that_o refuse_v the_o papacy_n the_o which_o distinction_n be_v thus_o lay_v i_o propound_v my_o answer_n and_o that_o we_o say_v touch_v the_o point_n in_o the_o four_o proposition_n first_o no_o man_n or_o company_n of_o man_n believe_v and_o expound_v the_o scripture_n contrary_a to_o that_o which_o the_o universal_a church_n in_o the_o first_o sense_n have_v always_o believe_v and_o expound_v can_v be_v assure_v they_o have_v the_o assistance_n of_o god_n spirit_n but_o the_o contrary_a they_o may_v assure_v themselves_o they_o be_v lead_v by_o the_o spirit_n of_o error_n the_o reason_n be_v for_o no_o truth_n can_v be_v reveal_v to_o any_o but_o that_o which_o be_v in_o this_o church_n for_o if_o it_o be_v not_o in_o it_o so_o that_o the_o church_n never_o know_v or_o believe_v it_o than_o it_o can_v be_v the_o truth_n for_o 3.15_o for_o 1._o tim._n 3.15_o the_o church_n be_v the_o pillar_n and_o ground_n of_o truth_n and_o so_o a_o private_a man_n hold_v it_o must_v needs_o hold_v a_o error_n second_o a_o private_a man_n and_o private_a company_n of_o man_n may_v be_v and_o many_o time_n be_v so_o assist_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n that_o they_o may_v believe_v and_o expound_v the_o scripture_n true_o against_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o council_n of_o bishop_n either_o general_a or_o particular_a the_o reason_n be_v for_o god_n have_v leave_v his_o truth_n with_o his_o church_n therein_o to_o remain_v for_o ever_o but_o not_o infallible_o every_o parcel_n of_o his_o truth_n with_o every_o part_n or_o assembly_n of_o the_o church_n but_o his_o providence_n and_o promise_n to_o his_o church_n be_v sufficient_o uphold_v if_o he_o so_o support_v the_o true_a faith_n that_o it_o always_o remain_v in_o some_o of_o the_o church_n therefore_o a_o particular_a church_n or_o council_n of_o bishop_n may_v at_o some_o time_n and_o in_o some_o 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the_o body_n itself_o and_o he_o that_o cut_v off_o the_o wen_n or_o purge_v away_o the_o leprosy_n can_v be_v say_v to_o resist_v or_o wrong_v the_o body_n 6_o these_o four_o proposition_n thus_o lay_v down_o it_o be_v manifest_v my_o adversary_n do_v but_o cavil_n in_o this_o place_n for_o if_o his_o conclusion_n intend_v no_o more_o but_o that_o private_a man_n must_v not_o be_v think_v to_o know_v the_o truth_n and_o the_o true_a catholic_n church_n to_o be_v in_o error_n no_o man_n will_v speak_v against_o he_o but_o the_o sense_n of_o his_o conclusion_n be_v against_o the_o three_o last_o of_o my_o proposition_n that_o no_o man_n can_v be_v think_v inspire_v of_o god_n or_o to_o have_v the_o truth_n when_o he_o expound_v scripture_n as_o luther_n and_o his_o do_v contrary_a to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o which_o sense_n only_o i_o dispute_v against_o he_o and_o in_o no_o other_o not_o affirm_v that_o private_a man_n may_v see_v the_o truth_n and_o the_o catholic_a 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antichrist_n r._n jaco._n praef_n monit_fw-la pag._n 56._o &_o inde_fw-la d._n whit_n â—k_n add_v demonst_a saunder_n &_o controu_fw-fr de_fw-fr pont._n rom._n q._n 5._o c._n 3._o sohn_n tract_n de_fw-fr antichrist_n d._n abb._n demonstrat_fw-la d._n down_o of_o antichr_n d._n fulk_n in_o 2._o th._n 2._o &_o apoc._n 13._o etc._n etc._n our_o writing_n have_v sufficien_o demonstrate_v and_o all_o story_n make_v it_o plain_a that_o the_o most_o violent_a persecution_n and_o the_o great_a heresy_n schism_n and_o scandal_n that_o ever_o be_v have_v be_v under_o the_o pope_n and_o by_o his_o work_n since_o he_o come_v to_o his_o greatness_n which_o make_v he_o relish_v so_o strong_a of_o antichrist_n that_o the_o jesuite_n with_o all_o his_o fellow_n to_o help_v he_o can_v sweeten_v he_o and_o i_o can_v tell_v he_o a_o thing_n in_o his_o ear_n that_o will_v discourage_v he_o for_o ever_o undertake_v that_o matter_n for_o as_o learned_a man_n as_o ever_o be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v tale_n have_v de_fw-fr antichristo_fw-la dicit_fw-la idem_fw-la joachim_n quod_fw-la tam_fw-la natus_fw-la est_fw-la in_o civitate_fw-la romana_fw-la &_o in_o sede_fw-la apostolica_fw-la sublimabitur_fw-la rog._n hove_v annal_a pag._n 681._o sedes_fw-la bestiae_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la perversae_fw-la est_fw-la in_o curia_fw-la romana_fw-la onus_fw-la eccl._n c_o 19_o n._n 6._o see_v the_o oration_n of_o euerardus_fw-la abusin_n in_o auent_a pag._n 546._o and_o chaucer_n plough_n man_v tale_n mistrust_v it_o and_o opinion_n and_o the_o turk_n hold_v to_o be_v the_o great_a antichrist_n by_o clicton_n come_v in_o damasc_n de_fw-fr sid_n orth_n l._n 4._o pag._n 391._o prateol_n elench_v v._o mahom._n pag_n 302._o henten_n indic_fw-la de_fw-fr apoc._n pag._n 182._o genebr_n chronol_n a_o 590._o pag._n 477._o fevardent_a in_o irenae_n l._n 5._o c._n 30._o n._n 10._o who_o say_v other_o most_o learned_a man_n be_v of_o the_o same_o opinion_n they_o that_o will_v not_o confess_v it_o have_v yet_o to_o turn_v it_o off_o he_o make_v he_o antichrist_n that_o can_v so_o be_v by_o 23._o by_o the_o common_a opinion_n hold_v by_o the_o jesuite_n be_v that_o antichrist_n shall_v be_v one_o singular_a person_n a_o jew_n of_o the_o tribe_n of_o dan_n etc._n etc._n see_v accost_n de_fw-fr temp_n noviss_n l._n 2._o c._n 5._o bellar._n de_fw-fr pont._n rom._n l._n 3._o c._n 2.10_o &_o inde_fw-la suar._n tom_n 2._o disp_n 54._o henriq_fw-la de_fw-fr fin_fw-fr hom_n c._n 23._o the_o doctrine_n now_o maintain_v among_o the_o jesuite_n chap._n xxxviii_o 1._o the_o papist_n can_v prove_v the_o church_n to_o be_v always_o visible_a in_o that_o sense_n wherein_o we_o deny_v it_o 2._o the_o diverse_a consideration_n of_o the_o church_n distinguish_v 3._o his_o quarrel_n make_v to_o our_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o church_n several_a state_n answer_v 6._o the_o faithful_a only_o be_v the_o true_a member_n of_o the_o church_n 7._o upon_o what_o occasion_n the_o question_n touch_v the_o visiblenesse_n of_o the_o church_n first_o begin_v a.d._n this_o my_o conclusion_n thus_o declare_v and_o prove_v 237._o pag._n 237._o do_v fore_o pinch_v my_o adversary_n and_o put_v they_o to_o pitiful_a strait_n as_o after_o we_o shall_v see_v for_o on_o the_o one_o side_n to_o deny_v the_o church_n in_o such_o sense_n as_o here_o i_o have_v declare_v to_o be_v at_o all_o time_n visible_a without_o impudency_n they_o can_v my_o proof_n at_o least_o some_o of_o they_o be_v so_o apparent_a and_o plain_a on_o the_o other_o side_n to_o grant_v it_o to_o be_v in_o this_o sense_n always_o visible_a they_o will_v not_o for_o fear_v that_o people_n do_v thereby_o plain_o see_v that_o protestant_n who_o can_v assign_v a_o continual_a visible_a church_n or_o a_o company_n of_o professor_n of_o their_o faith_n nor_o so_o much_o as_o one_o profess_v protestant_a in_o every_o several_a age_n since_o christ_n can_v be_v the_o true_a church_n of_o which_o only_o as_o of_o the_o 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truth_n not_o be_v of_o the_o church_n at_o all_o for_o bellarmine_n d_o bellarmine_n de_fw-fr eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 10._o pag._n 13â—_n d_o say_v the_o church_n chief_o and_o in_o her_o intention_n gather_v together_o only_a the_o faithful_a but_o when_o dissembler_n and_o such_o as_o believe_v not_o true_o be_v mingle_v that_o fall_v out_o beside_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o church_n for_o if_o she_o can_v know_v they_o she_o will_v never_o admit_v they_o or_o be_v admit_v she_o will_v present_o exclude_v they_o again_o a_o again_o ibi._n pag_n 141._o a_o heretic_n feign_v themselves_o to_o be_v catholic_n be_v not_o of_o the_o church_n indeed_o but_o only_o in_o reputation_n and_o outward_a appearance_n 3_o this_o be_v the_o manner_n how_o we_o distinguish_v and_o hold_v touch_v the_o church_n and_o the_o manner_n thereof_o now_o i_o answer_v that_o which_o the_o rply_o have_v report_v 1._o report_v ad._n 1._o to_o the_o first_o it_o be_v false_a and_o malicious_a that_o we_o 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for_o a_o parasite_n that_o set_v himself_o only_o to_o boast_v and_o reproach_n then_o for_o a_o divine_a for_o our_o answer_n be_v plain_a and_o direct_v that_o the_o church_n consider_v in_o such_o state_n as_o it_o be_v ordain_v and_o fit_a to_o teach_v man_n the_o true_a faith_n and_o as_o mortal_a man_n can_v have_v access_n to_o it_o which_o belong_v only_o to_o the_o militant_a state_n be_v sometime_o so_o overwhelm_v with_o persecution_n â—nd_v heresy_n that_o a_o true_a church_n entire_o teach_v the_o faith_n of_o christ_n without_o error_n and_o free_o use_v the_o word_n sacrament_n and_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n apart_o from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n can_v be_v see_v in_o all_o the_o world_n and_o our_o adversary_n argument_n be_v apply_v to_o this_o neither_o hunt_n nor_o pursue_v we_o so_o but_o we_o can_v answer_v they_o without_o fly_v into_o the_o church_n of_o the_o elect_a for_o we_o do_v not_o say_v that_o the_o elect_v alone_o be_v thus_o obscure_v 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