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A13642	Keepe your text. Or a short discourse, wherein is sett downe a method to instruct, how a Catholike (though but competently learned) may defend his fayth against the most learned protestant, that is, if so the protestant will tye himselfe to his owne principle and doctrine, in keeping himselfe to the text of the scripture. Composed by a Catholike priest	Véron, François, 1575-1649. Adrian Hucher ministre d'Amyens, mis à l'inquisition des passages de la Bible de Genève. aut	1619 (1619)	STC 23924; ESTC S107525	31,396	48

KEEPE YOVR TEXT OR A short Discourse wherein is sett downe a Method to instruct how a Catholike though but competently learned may defend his Fayth against the most learned Protestant that is if so the Protestant will tye himselfe to his owne Principle and Doctrine in keeping himselfe to the Text of the Scripture Composed by a Catholike Priest Vincent Lyrinens cont Haeres Si quis interroget quempiam Haereticorum vnde probas vnde doces hoc Statim ille Scriptum est enim Tollentem Extollit It crowneth the carrier 1619. AN ADVERTISEMENT to the Reader GOOD READER Thou mayst vnderstand that some yeeres past there was printed a little English translation out of French concerning a Conference in France betweene a Father of the Societie and a Minister of Amiens wherein the learned Iesuite by tying the Minister to his owne principle of prouing the Points controuerted from the written Word alone did in the presence of many mightily confound the Minister This short English translation as experience hath shewed hath wrought much good vpon diuers But being aduertized that the Copyes of it are almost spent partly by losse of many and partly otherwise Therefore I haue here taken some small paynes to set downe in a short Discourse the said Method in effect holden in dispute by the former Iesuite but in seuerall points enlarged altered and moulded anew For omitting the French Confession of Fayth as being different in many articles from the doctrine of our English Protestants whereunto the former English Translation by discussing seuerall points of Faith there maintayned had speciall reference I haue first premised certayne obseruations for the better conceiuing of the Method here prescribed Secondly the Method it selfe of answering is more enlarged Thirdly where the Minister in the foresaid Conference much relyed vpon conference of Scripture it is here shewed that conference of Scripture euen by the acknowledgment of diuers learned Protestants is altogether insufficient for proofe of any Article Fourthly the Argument is here fully answered which may seeme to be taken by retorting vpon vs the Method here practized when we vndertake the Opponents part and office against the Protestant Fiftly whereas in alleaging of only Scripture the sole drift of the Protestants is to appeale to their owne interpretation of it reiecting herein the interpretation of the Primitiue Church therefore I haue here alleaged the iudgements of diuers most eminent Protestants accordingly condemning the Primitiue Fathers of flat Papistrie and consequently of their supposed false constructions giuen with vs of the Scripture Sixtly and lastly here are presented to the Reader certayne forcible arguments of Credibilitie priuiledging the Fathers aboue the Protestants in interpreting Gods sacred written Word all which seuerall passages are wanting in the foresaid English Translation And thus Christian Reader farewell and vse this my small labour to the spirituall benefit of thy Soule KEEPE YOVR TEXT A Discourse wherein is set downe a Method to instruct how a Catholike though but competently learned may defend his Religion against any learned Protestant so that the Protestant will tye himselfe to his owne Principle in keeping himselfe to the Text of the Scripture IT is too well knowne that Luther whose fall the fall of the starre in the (a) c. 9. Apocalyps may seeme to a dumbrate had no sooner by his defection from the Catholike faith endeuoured to ouerthrow the Roman Church but that there instantly was erected a new Church no no Church which brookes Innouation and Noueltie yet so reputed and after graced with the title of the Protestants Church This Church indeed this broken troupe of some few scattered and branded souldiers forsaking the ensigne of our Lord Iesus sweet Iesus doe they thus remunerate thy corporal death suffered to expiate the guilt of their eternall death labouring to iustifie her iniustifiable doctrine by declining all other proofs (b) 50. Luther in comment c. 1. ad Galat. Brent Prolog c. de Tradit Caluin l. 4. Instit c. 8. §. 8. Kemnit Examen Concil Trid. s●ss 4. made sole recourse to the sacred Scriptures so Malefactors flye to holy places for Sanctuarie where diuorcing the letter from the sense shee did so paraphraze the same with her adulterate Scholies and Expositions as that no Heresie so crosse to the Vnitie of Christian faith which to a vulgar eye might not seeme to be proseminated and sprung from thence Nor content herewith but further shee proceeded for Man once finally leauing God precipitates himselfe into an Abysme or infinit depth of irrecouerable inconueniences vndertaking to write most virulent Treatises against Apostolicall Traditions and the authoritie of Christs Church as ignorantly presuming that the more due reuerence was exhibited to them the lesse was ascribed to the Scripture Hereupon her members vauntingly gaue out for Heresie is euer borne with the Twinne of Pride that the superstitious Papist so pleaseth it them in their charitable language to stile vs was deadly wounded in all points of his faith with euery little splinter or passage of the written Word Which Word as is said they haue erected for the sole rule of faith auerring (c) So write the former cited Protestants besides many other As for example Beza is alleaged by D. Bancroft in his Suruey p. 219. for sole proofe of any point to say Aduerbum prouoco Cartwright in his second Reply part 1. p. 509. thus writeth We haue good cause to hold for suspect whatsoeuer in gouernment or doctrine the Primitiue times left vnto vs not confirmed by substantiall proofes of the Word D. Rainolds thus reprehendeth S. Basil and S. Chrysostome for their not admitting only Scripture in his conclusion annexed to his Conference I take not vpon mee to controule them but let the Church iudge if they considered with aduice c. D. Whitakers thus saith of Chrysostome touching the said point l. de sacra Script pag 678. I answere it is an inconsiderate speech and vnworthy so great a Father Finally to omit many others D. Wallet in his Synopsis p. 38. saith The Scripture is not one of the meanes but the sole whole and only meanes to worke faith that nothing is to be beleeued as an Article of faith which hath not it proofe taken from thence and that themselues will confound the poore Papist in any point whatsoeuer of Religion from the Scripture it selfe scorning to borrow any other proofes then from the writings of the Prophets the Apostles and the Euangelists But this is a meane frothy oftentation of wordes and as the learned Catholike well knoweth inuented only to retaine that grace and fauour which they haue already gained from the weake iudgements of their abused followers And therefore to represse this their inconsiderate venditation of prooning what they pretend only from the Scripture they here telling vs that as a Diamond cuts a Diamond so one place of Scripture best explicates and vnfolds another I doe challenge the Protestant peremptorily to stand to this his

that Christ in the foresaid words speaketh or meaneth of his owne body but only of a (*) So is this Text expoūded by Cyprian Serm. de Coena Domini Origen l. 3. Ep. ad Rom. Chrysostome vpon this place carnall vnderstanding of spirituall things If the Minister will not yeeld to you herein then will him according to his vndertaken taske to proue out of some place of Scripture that the former words are spoken of Christs body if he say he can cause him presently to repeate it if hee confesse hee cannot as it is impossible for him to doe then let him openly acknowledge that it cannot be proued from Scripture that the former words to wit The flesh profiteth nothing doe concerne the flesh of Christ much lesse the absence of it in the Eucharist 3. Thirdly the Catholike is to demand touching the interpretation of this Text of Scripture or of any other who is to iudge whether the interpretation giuen by the Minister be good or no. If he reply that the Scripture is to iudge of it then vrge him as I admonished afore to shew any passage of Scripture teaching that his interpretation of the former Text is good and true if the Scripture affirmeth not so much then is it the bare assertion of the Minister himselfe which warranteth his former interpretations of the Texts alleaged by him for true and then the Minister forsaketh herein his mayne Principle of prouing from the Scripture alone erecting himselfe the last and supreme Iudge in all Controuersies of Faith and Religion and then consequently he performeth no more herein then all Heretikes heretofore haue beene accustomed to doe to wit strangely to alleage and detort (e) So witnesse Tertul. l. de Praescrip aduers haeres Ierom. Ep. ad Paulinum August cont Maximinū Arianum l. 1 Vincent Lyr. aduer haeres the Scripture for patronizing of their Heresies and finally to make themselues sole Iudges of interpreting the Scripture 4. Fourthly for the greater confronting of our poore Minister thus intangled you are to demand of him whether his grauitie forsooth stands subiect to errour or mistaking in his exposition of the former Texts of Scripture against the Reall Presence if he confesse that he may erre therein then followeth it that his beliefe as being founded vpon a doubtfull construction and such as may be erroneous is no longer any true beliefe since Faith in it owne nature according both to Catholike and Protestant is most certayne and infallible If the Minister say that he relyeth in the interpretation of the Texts mentioned or the like vpon other learned Ministers of his owne brotherhood then leaueth hee againe the Scripture and finally relyeth for proofe of his faith vpon the bare authorities of certayne particular men But if his vanitie rise to that height as to maintayne himselfe not to be subiect to any erroneous mistakings in interpreting the Texts of Scripture then first cause him according to his owne prescribed method of prouing to alleage some place of Scripture warranting this his supposed infallibilitie of expounding and if hee vrge any Text detorted to that end and purpose tell him that if it make for his not erring in expounding the Scripture then much more maketh it for the not erring of the whole Church of Christ therein which point notwithstanding I meane the (f) see Whitakers hereof hee Eccles cont Bellar. controu 2. q. 4. p. 223. Iewell in his Apologie of the Church of Eng and part 4. c. 4. Luther epist ad Argentinenses Perkins in his exposition vpon the Creede pag. 400. For these Protestants teach that the Church of Christ wholly erred from Austins time till Luthers dayes not erring of the whole Church in it interpreting of the Scripture himselfe denyeth But if the whole Church of Christ may and hath erred in Religion and consequently in interpreting Gods written Word as the Protestant confidently auerreth that it hath then aske the Minister with what face can he being but a member of his Church and perhaps but a bad and vnlearned member thereof assume to himselfe a freedome of not erring when hee interpreteth the Scripture 5. Fiftly and lastly it behoueth you to heare at large the Ministers interpretation of Scripture and his proofes and reasons warranting his said interpretation and then you are to desire him to make good those proofes and reasons out of the Scripture alone which he not doing then are you to denie his said Explications Proofes and Reasons not obliging your selfe as being the Defendant to shew the reason of your denyall And it is more aduantageous for you simply to denie his expositions and proofes of the same then to set downe the reasons of such your denyall For by alleaging your reasons whereunto the Defendant is neuer obliged besides the danger perhaps of your owne insufficiency discouered in labouring to make them good you giue fit occasion and oportunitie to the Minister to beginne new discourses against your Reasons and so by degrees and afore you bee aware hee leaueth his Scene and windeth himselfe out of his vndertaken taske to wit of prouing his interpretation of the Texts of Scripture by Scripture to which method if you punctually and precisely tye him without suffering him to vse any digressions or euasions by questioning of you or otherwise as by his owne Principle Doctrine and often vanting he obligeth himselfe then shall you find him presently stabled and plunged in the middest of his disputes it being impossible for him to iustifie and make good his first vndertaking or his expositions of Scripture by Scripture alone And thus farre concerning the first kind of the Ministers alleaging Texts of Scripture in proofe or disproofe of any point controuerted Which course here set downe the Catholike is to obserue in all other Texts of Scripture which any Protestant shall vrge out of their immediate and literall Construction to proue or disproue any point controuerted betweene him and vs. In this second place it commeth in to prescribe certaine directions how an vnlearned Catholike is to answere to the Protestant Minister when hee laboureth to proue or disproue any article of Faith from the Scripture but this not immediately from the expresse and euident sense thereof whereof I haue afore entreated but only by certayne inferences and sequels necessarily as hee saith deduced out of the said Scripture This forme shall be exemplified in the former example of the Reall Presence the falsehood of which doctrine our Protestant Minister will perhaps labour to proue by an inference or deduction drawne from the pure written Word of God in the Acts chap. 3. where we reade that Heauen must receaue Christ vntill the time of the restitution of all things meaning that Christ is to stay in Heauen till the end and consummation of the World Now out of this place the Protestant Minister thus argueth as aboue I haue touched in one of my former obseruations That body which is in Heauen is not at

this Discourse such aggrauating circumstances on both sides which so farre-forth as they concerne the interpreting of Scripture may iustly seeme to aduance the Fathers and depresse or vnderualiew our Sectaries they being such as in a cleere and dispassionate eye or in the libration of an eauen and stable hand shall be able I hope to weigh much and cause in this point an euidency of Credibilitie at least if not an euidency of Truth and to admonish vs to call to mind that counsell in Iob (b) Iob c. 8. Diligenter inuestiga patrum memoriam and againe (c) Ibidem Interroga generationem pristinam But to beginne 1. The Fathers liued in the times neere (d) Ignatius and Dionysius the Apostles Scholars Iust Martyr Irenaeus in the second Age. Tertull. Origen Cyprian in the third Athanas Ambr. Hilar Basil Nazianz. in the fourth Chrys Ierom. Augustin in the fift to Christ some conuersing with his Apostles others with their Scholars and therefore the more easie for them to know what expositions of Scripture were first deliuered and what Faith first preached Adde to this that the very practice of their Religion then vsed the Church then remayning by the acknowledgement of our Aduersaries in her integritie of faith serued as a Comment to them of the Scriptures Our Sectaries appeared so many ages after and indeed so late to wit in these our owne Canicular and vnlucky dayes as that their very writings wherein they first vented forth their doctrine may bee said to bee as yet scarce drie Men at this present liuing who can remember their first reuolt and insurrection so euident it is that their beliefe was neuer heard of before the deplorable apostasie of Luther Luther the Adam of his vnfortunate posteritie vpon whom is deriued by his fall an Originall Contumacy as I may terme it against the Church of Rome their perdition following ineuitably except they baptize themselues in the teares of an vnfeigned and contrite submission But to proceede 2. The Fathers for no small number of them euen from their Cradle Mothers breasts did suck those (e) Ignat. Epiphan Athanas Basil Nazianzen Chrysost Cyrill Theodoret. c. were Greeke Fathers in which tongue the new Testament was written tongues wherein a great part of the Scripture was first written and therefore they are much aduantaged the Letter being the shell of the sense for the picking out of the true meaning thereof Our Sectaries what insight they haue in the said tongues is only by Arte and industrie which euer subscribeth to Nature whereof if wee compare them with the Fathers herein they will appeare to be but yong and Alphabeticall Linguists which disparitie of theirs must needs be great since the Tongues in this respect may bee truely termed the Porters of Learning or the Mines wherein the riches of knowledge are found 3. The Fathers deliuered their sentence interpretations of Scripture many ages before the points of Faith and Doctrine for which they were vrged were euer questioned of and therefore what they writ was free from all partialitie and preiudice of iudgement the false glasse which euer reflecteth backe the sight of any thing in an vntrue forme Our Sectaries now after their Religion hath once got one wing doe after shape such constructions of Scripture as are most sutable to their Positions thus where in reason Faith is to bee framed according to the sense of Scripture here with them the sense of Scripture is to be measured by their faith 4. The Fathers though writing in different Ages different Countries different Tongues vpon different occasions like the earth which is most stably setled in an vnstable place euen with wonderfull agreement consent and constancie an infallible Character of Gods holy Spirit for non est Deus dissentionis 1 Cor. 14. sed pacis do interpret all the chiefe passages of Scripture vrged either by vs or our Aduersaries in one and the same sense in regard whereof it is lesse probable that God should permit so many so vertuous so learned men ioyntly to erre therein Our Sectaries indeed inter-league and jump together in wresting Gods Word from all Catholike sense but that done then beginne their irreconciliable warres and disagreements in seeking to appropriate the seuerall (f) Thus for example in that place of Matth. c. 16. Tues Petrus by the word Rocke Erasmus vnderstandeth euery one of the faithfull Caluin Christ Luther and the Centurie writers doe vnderstand thereby the confession of Faith Constructions to the vpholding of rich ones peculiar and different opinion thus they being instantly resolued in themselues from whom to flye but not whom to follow a Document to teach vs that Heresie is euer in labour with Discord and Vnion against the true Church presently ingenders Disvnion within the false Church for it is certaine that the seuerall Doctrines of our Aduersaries could yet neuer be wounded vp in one generall Confession 5. The Fathers did cut of all lets and impediments which might hinder eyther Deuotion or Study the two wings wherwith Mans vnderstāding mounts vp to the speculation of the highest Mysteries Hence it proceeded that they embraced perpetuall Chastitie contemned all Riches and Honours chastized their bodies with Fasting Prayer and other spirituall Disciplines thus according to the Alchymist making Mortification immediate to precede Vinification so as this course of abandoning the World besides Gods speciall assistance to all such truely Noble and Heroicall Designes cleereth and enlighteneth much the speculatiue power of the Soule the only faculty proper for knowledge otherwise ouer-clowded with the mists of wordly cares anxieties and distractions Our Sectaries though commonly at the first they euer haue the Gospell in their mouthes thus acting the Prologue with the Spirit but the Epilogue or Conclusion with the Flesh are in the end become so loth to be spotted with the least aspersion or touch of Superstition since (g) Osiander in Epitom Cent. 4. p. 99 p. 100. 103. no better they repute the Fathers liues as that they prostitute themselues as Drugges to the Word being become euen breathlesse through their earnest pursuite of Temporall pleasures dignities and sensualitie and raueling out their whole time in the gaining and enioying thereof but the lesse maruell since it is written (h) Rom. 8. that those who are after the flesh fauour the things of the flesh 6. The Fathers I meane diuers of them through Gods boundlesse Omnipotency vntwisting at his pleasure the thred of Nature for most easie it is to that powerfull hand which first created Nature to dis-nature all things created haue wrought many stupendious and astonishing Miracles some whereof were done in proofe and confirmation of their (i) Vide Cyprian Serm. de lapsis Ambr. de obitu Satyr c. 7. Optat. l. 2. contra Donatist Nazian in Cypr. Aug. de Ciuit Dei l. 22. c. 8. Chrysost l. contra Gētil Euseb l. 7. c. 14. Religion and though