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A47164	The Presbyterian and independent visible churches in New-England and else-where brought to the test, and examined according to the doctrin of Holy Scriptures ... : more particulary directed to those in New-England, and more generally to those in old England, Scotland, Ireland, &c. : with a call and warning from the Lord to the people of Boston and New-England, to repent, &c. : and two letters to the preachers in Boston, and an answer to the gross abuses, lies and slanders of Increase Mather and Nath. Morton, &c. / by George Keith.	Keith, George, 1639?-1716.	1691 (1691)	Wing K191; ESTC R21261	124,580	240

the Lord Jesus Christ 1 Thes 1.1 And it is built upon Christ that sure Foundation and Rock of Ages whom Peter confessed unto which Flesh and Blood hath not revealed unto him but the Father in Heaven And upon this Rock so confessed and so known and understood which Flesh and Blood hath not revealed but the Father in Heaven is the true Church built And this is more than a Profession of the true Religion For it is not every one that professeth the true Religion to whom the Father in Heaven hath revealed the Lord Jesus Christ as he did unto Peter and as he doth unto every true and faithful Believer and Confessor of Christ And the true Church that is built on this Rock and every Member thereof they are not only hearers and professors of the Words and Doctrin of Christ but they are doers of them But they who do not although they both hear and say they are foolish Builders and build upon the Sand and such are all these visible Churches who have no other thing to qualifie them but to profess the true Religion Now to profess the true Religion carrieth a two-fold sense one is that the Religion which People profess they call or profess it to be the true Religion and in this sense every one that professeth any Religion at all if he be in earnest professeth the true Religion that is he esteemeth or professeth his Religion to be such The other sense is that the Religion that is professed is indeed the true Religion and is not only so called or professed And according to this sense your visible Churches whether Presbyterian or Independent are no true Churches For the Religion ye profess is not the true Religion of Christ Jesus which he and the Prophets the Evangelists and Apostles did teach as I have already proved in many weighty particulars yea in Fundamentals and in the very Foundation it self which is Christ Jesus on which the true Church is built and every Member thereof But ye who say All inward divine Revelation of Christ is ceased ye build not on Christ but on a meer Hear-say and Historical report of him For how can ye build on him when ye have no belief that Christ is nearer unto you than in some remote place beyond the Skies Can the Walls of the House be built on a Foundation that is altogether remote from it Must not the House and the Foundation be immediately joyned together And must not this Foundation be seen and felt by every Member And is not this incomparably more than the best Profession of true Religion O ye blind Leaders of the Blind How doth my Soul pity you and the poor People more especially who are led by you and whom ye are still seeking to lead until both ye and they fall into the Ditch and ye ill deserve your Wages and the many Hundreds yea Thousands of Pounds that poor People pay Yearly unto you and work sore and hard to feed you and cloath you and your Wives and Children to Luxury and Wantonness many of you while in the mean time under colour and pretence of feeding the Souls of the People ye famish and starve yea poyson and kill them with your false Doctrin as I have through God's assistance sufficiently made appear and I hope yet more to make appear as I have occasion given unto me 6. And Christ Jesus the living elect precious Corner-stone the sure Foundation is laid in Zion and that Zion is not only the heavenly Zion above but the Church and People of God on Earth and Christ Jesus is one both in Heaven without us and also within us even the Man Christ Jesus the same that took hold of the Seed of Abraham and is the Son of Abraham and David according unto that Seed and he is exalted in heavenly Glory in that same Seed and Nature in the whole and intire and perfect Nature of Man in Soul and Body having put off nothing that he had upon Earth but these Weaknesses and Infirmities which he did take on him for our sake even Jesus of Nazareth he who was crucified for our Sins and rose again for our Justification who was dead and is alive and lives for evermore and he who by true Faith is joyned to the Spirit of Christ by the same he is joyned both to Christ in him and also to Christ in Heaven and also to all the Saints in Heaven and the innumerable company of Angels and Spirits of just men made perfect and also unto the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and both God and Christ are not only in remote places and Heavens without us but also in us and in all his Saints as he hath said Jer. 23.23 24. Am I a God at Hand saith the Lord and not a God afar off Do not I fill Heaven and Earth Saith the Lord. 7. And as to the Government and Governors or Rulers of your visible Churches both Presbyterian and Independent it is of the same Nature with your visible Churches the only qualification of them being an outward profession of Christian Religion and an outward Call which ye are all at a loss where to begin it as I have already proved Cap. 4. accompanied with some natural or acquired Gifts and Abilities of Letter-learning reaching no further than the Letter of the Scripture at best and oft or for most part not that for ye preach not the Letter in the form of sound words of Scripture but have so mingled it with your Glosses and wrested Senses and Meanings and Words of men's wisdom and intentions that it is but little of the very Letter ye preach But if ye did preach the Letter and have not that infallible and unerring Spirit of Christ which was in the true Ministers of Christ in former Ages and is now in his true Ministers in this Age ye are but at best Ministers of the Letter and not Ministers of the Spirit and therefore not Ministers of the New-Testament And what is the use and end of your Government but to keep poor People in Bondage under you and your false Doctrin And if they do not believe it but witness against it then ye cast them out of your Synagogues and yet then will force Maintenance from them as many of you have done And when ye had Power with the Magistrates to instigate and stir them up to persecute honest Dissenters to Whip Stock Imprison spoil Goods cut off Ears and also to put to Death for testifying against your false Doctrins from your false and fallible Spirit I say both false and fallible For seeing ye do not profess to be taught led and guided by the infallible Spirit of Christ which was in the Prophets and Apostles and in all true Christians if ye have not this Spirit your Spirit is not only fallible but false to wit the Spirit of this World For there are but two Spirits that do teach lead and guide all men on Earth the

Psalms and in the Song of Solomon and other places of holy Scripture for by the living Word of God as they come freshly and newly or immediately from the mouth or spirit of God the Souls of God's Children are quickned and kept alive as Christ said The words that he did speak unto his Disciples were Spirit and Life and man liveth not by Bread alone but by every Word that proceedeth out of the Mouth of God And David waited for the coming of the Word of God to quicken him to wit that God might speak unto him and he said I will hear what the Lord will speak for he will speak Peace to his Saints and to his People So here is God's Promise to all his Saints and People to speak Peace unto them and as he promised to his Israel in Hosea Chap. 14. I will allure or perswade her and bring her into the Wilderness or a solitary place and there I will speak comfortably unto her or as the Hebrew hath it I will speak to her Heart And this is an inward Speech And the Scripture Promises when God is pleased by his Spirit to apply them to the Souls of his Children is as real and proper an inward Voice and Speaking of God unto them as he spoke to the Prophets of old 5. And therefore the Scripture doth not contain either all the Word or Words of God as some say but many thousands of Words of God have been livingly spoke and utter'd by the Spirit of God to the inward Ears of his dear Children since the writing of the Scripture and daily are and will be to the end of the World And as it was said in the Apostles days the Word of the Lord grew and multiplied Acts 12.24 and 19 20. so ever since the Apostles and writing of the Scriptures the Word of God hath grown and multiplied and still shall and must to the end of the World and yet no new Doctrin or Gospel to be Preached but the same which the Prophets and Christ and the Apostles have already Preached 6. And as Christ and the Apostles expounded the Scriptures of the old Testament by divine Inspiration and Revelation of the same Spirit without propounding any new Doctrin or object of Faith unto People so why may it not be so now yea it is so that some at this day by the same Spirit do expound and open places of Scripture both of the old and new Testament and yet bring no new Doctrin And it is a far better way to have such Preachers and Expounders who open and expound the Scriptures by the Inspiration and Revelation of the Holy Spirit as the Apostles did than for men to presume to open and expound them without all new Revelation or Inspiration and who plainly confess They neither Preach nor Write by any Infallible Spirit And such mens Exposition who declare they have no infallible Spirit can neither be the word or words of God which are infallible but only the fallible word and words of man and human Imaginations 7. And as for the term Word the Greek of it being 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 I find it variously used and translated in the new Testament as first to signifie Christ Joh. 1.1 2dly to signifie Treatise Acts 1.1 3dly Communication Mat. 3.7 4thly Vtterance 1 Cor. 1.5 2 Cor. 8.7 Ephes 6.19 Col. 4.3 5thly Word of Talk or Discourse 1 Thes 1.5 6thly Reason 2 Pet. 3.15 Acts 18.14 7thly Preaching or Doctrin 1 Cor. 1.18 8thly Account or Business as to have to do Heb. 4.13 and 9thly the Hebrew word in the old Testament is translated Order Psal 110.4 10thly Matter Psal 45.1 11thly Speech Psal 19.2 and 12thly the same Greek word is used by Paul to signifie the empty and dead preaching of false Teachers 1 Cor. 4.19 And therefore whether the Scriptures may be called or are called the Word in Scripture rarely or improperly is not the proper state of the Question for it cannot be denyed and is not denyed but that rarely and improperly the word is used to signifie Scripture or Scripture Words either written or spoken and sometimes the words of evil men are rendred by the same Greek word in Scripture as Ephes 4.29 and 2 Tim. 2. ●7 But the true state of the Question is Wheth●r first the Scripture doth contain all the Word or Words of God And this I justly deny for the reasons already given and indeed as the Word and Words of God are compared in Scripture Deut. 32.2 to the Dew and Rain that falleth upon the dry ground to refresh it and make it fruitful and the drops of the Dew and Rain are so many that they cannot be numbred which God hath been pleased to speak to the Souls of his People and still doth so nor can the Words of God be numbred by Men and therefore they are of a greater extent than all these set down in Scripture which may be numbred and also they are compared in Scripture to Bread that is eaten as Jeremiah said cap. 15.16 Thy words were found and I did eat them and as none can number the small grains of flower that make up a Cake of Loaf of Bread so none can number the words of God Secondly Whether the Scriptures only as they are outwardly written or spoken by the mouths of natural Men or heard by the outward ears or conceived only by the bare natural thoughts and understanding be properly and without all figure the Word or Words of God I say nay for the words of God are spiritual and of an inward nature as God himself is for the words of God are first and properly spoke to the mind and spirit of man and the outward words whether spoke or writ are but the signs of them as all outward words are but the signs of the inward thoughts of the mind which are the words of the mind or heart of man within it self Thirdly VVhether he who only talketh Scripture words and hath not the true sense of them doth truly and properly speak the VVord of God And whether he that only heareth them from man and hath not received the true sense of them hath properly heard the VVord of God I say Nay for it is not the bare Letter without the sense that is the Word of God properly understood Nevertheless the Letter of the Scripture in a figurative sense may be called the VVord as the Map of England is called England Moses his Books are called Moses and Isaiah his Book is called his Vision and John his Book is called his Revelation CHAP. II. Concerning new divine Revelations and Inspirations 1. THe places of Scripture which they commonly bring against all new divine Revelations and Inspirations of the Spirit of God prove no such thing as will easily appear to any that are impartial and unbyassed in their understanding if they will but read and consider them which places are these following as they are alledged and quoted by them called

the Assembly of Divines at VVestminster in their Confession of Faith cap. 1. sect 1. Prov. 22.19 20 21. Isa 8.9 10. which places if they prove now that all new Revelation is ceased they do as much prove that it ceased in the days of Christ and the Apostles yea in the days of the Prophets that did succed them Is it not admirable blindness that these men did not see how impertinent these Citations are And as for all the places of the new Testament cited by them as Luke 3.4 Rom. 15.4 Mat. 4.4 7 10. 2 Tim. 3.15 Heb. 1.1 2. 2 Pet. 1.19 they do no more prove what these intend than the former for by their own confession divine Revelation and Inspiration continued after all these places of Scripture were writ for divers intire Books of Scripture were writ after them here alledged And if they say that all new Revelation did cease as soon as all these Books of Scripture were in being then they must also affirm that all new Revelation did cease to divers of the Apostles long before they deceased because divers of them and particularly John survived after he wrote his Book of the Revelation 2. It is most readily granted that God in his infinite Wisdom and Goodness was pleased that there should be Oracles and Testimonies of his Truth and Gospel committed to writing according to which the Doctrins and Words of Men however so holy that should come in after ages should be tryed and examined for the Spirits of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets but this doth not prove in any wise all ceasing of Prophecy or Divine Revelation or Inspiration by the same Spirit The Apostles Doctrin and Preaching was tried by the Noble Bereans whether it was according to the Scriptures of the old Testament but it doth not therefore follow that the Apostle Paul did not preach by divine Revelation and Inspiration And both Christ and the Apostles proved their Doctrin generally out of the Scriptures of the Prophets but that doth not argue that they did not Preach by new divine Revelation 3. But for the further clearing of the matter we are to distinguish betwixt new Revelation of new Doctrin and new Revelation of ancient Doctrin The Apostles had a new Revelation yet not of any new Doctrin but the very same that Christ and the Prophets preached before them and all agreed in the same Doctrin for Substance and yet had their own peculiar Visions and Revelations which were new to them to wit new though not in kind or specie yet in particular or individual unto them And so it is as to us we plead not for any new Revelation of any new Doctrin Faith or Gospel differing from what Christ and the Prophets and Apostles have taught before us and is largely and fully declared in the holy Scriptures but for a new Revelation of the same Doctrin Faith and Gospel which was revealed unto them For as the Faith of the Prophets and Apostles is not enough to us but we must also have the like precious Faith with them 1 John 1.2 and we must see with our spiritual Eyes and hear with our spiritual Ears and handle with our spiritual handling the Word of Life as they did so it must be newly revealed to us and in us 4. And if all new divine Revelation and Inspiration be ceased then all spiritual seeing and hearing is ceased and neither God nor Christ is or hath been heard or seen spiritually as the Saints did see and hear formerly nay not in the least degree and all inward spiritual Sensation and feeling is gone and all use or exercise of spiritual Series which is sad tidings to poor Souls But if any grant that there is any true and real spiritual hearing seeing tasting and other spiritual Sensations of God and divine things they must also grant true divine Revalation the same in kind and nature with what the Saints had of old for what is the proper object of the inward hearing and seeing and tasting and feeling Is it not God and Christ As David invited others saying O taste and see that God is good And as the Spouse said in the Song I sate down under his Shadow with great delight and his Fruit was sweet unto my taste his Left-hand is under my Head and his Right hand doth embrace me he hath brought me to his banqueting House c. and again The King hath brought me into his Wine-Cellar And can these sweet and heavenly Experiences be witnessed without divine Revelation or Inspiration And whereas some say It is Revelation by the Word and Spirit going along together but not by the Spirit alone without the Word I Answer granting it to be so in a true sense for the Prophets and Apostles had both the Word and the Spirit going along together in their divine Revelations according to Isa 50.21 and that did not hinder them to be real and proper in their kind But that God hath limited and confined himself so as never to give any inward enjoynment of himself to the Souls of his dear Children by any inward sense sight or hearing but what is conveyed unto them always by means of Scripture words is a most extravagant presumption to affirm without all Scripture proof for besides that the Soul may hear God speaking other words to it inwardly than express Scripture words though not contrary or disagreeing it oft falls out that the inward and spiritual seeing tasting and feeling may be enjoyed and witnessed without all words composed of Letters or Syllables even in a deep inward stillness and quietness according to these words Be still and know that I am God And as the outward seeing tasting smelling and feeling may be used without the present use of the outward hearing so may the inward and spiritual seeing tasting smelling and feeling be used at times and seasons without the inward and spiritual hearing of any Words formally composed of Letters and Syllables or Scripture words or so much as inwardly thought or conceived which Men of spiritual Experience who have their spiritual Senses cannot but readily grant We find by common experience that Words fall short to give us a sufficient and satisfactory knowledge of outward and natural things and therefore we desire rather to see taste and handle them than to hear the best or most true report of them We love rather to see a pleasant Country than to hear of it only and every good Child loveth to see his Parents rather than to hear a report or talk of them so every loving Wife loveth rather to see her Husband and hear himself and be imbraced by him than to hear others tell of him And the loving Subject is more glad to see his Prince or King of whom he hath received so many Favours and to hear himself than to hear others tell of him and thus it is with every Soul that truly loveth God they much rather desire to hear himself and see him than

what man knoweth the things of a man save the Spirit of a man which is in him Even so the things of God knoweth no man but the Spirit of God Now we have received not the Spirit of the VVorld but the Spirit which is of God whereby we know the things that are freely given us of God There cannot be brought out of the whole Scripture more suitable places to prove the necessity of divine Revelation than these are the one plainly implying it the other plainly expressing it For to be taught of God to hear and learn of the Father as the Prophets and Apostles did what is it but to be taught by divine inward Revelation Or if they will say Nay then the Prophets and Apostles were not taught of God by the same Argument And whereas they bring Paul's words saying God hath revealed them to us to wit these deep things of God to prove the inward Illumination of the Spirit of God to all Saints as well as to Paul the same proveth divine Revelation as it is expresly so called by Paul in this very place for they must needs grant that the divine Illumination which Paul had was Revelation properly so called and what he had he holdeth it forth as common in kind to all Saints and Believers And as for the word Revelation as signifying an inward operation of the holy Spirit in the Heart and Understanding we find it to be a phrase more frequently used in Scripture than the word Illumination or Illuminated or Enlightned or to Enlighten yea I find the word Illuminated out once used in all the English Translation of the whole Bible but Revelation frequently is used in our English Translation and reveal revealed see Isa 40.5 and 53.1 and 56.1 Jer. 33.6 Mat. 11.27 25. Luke 10.21 22. Rom. 8.18 1 Cor. 2 10. Gal. 1.16.3.23 Phil. 3.15 Ephes 1.17 Beside many other places So that it is very strange why these Faith-makers at Westminster should have such a grudge and prejudice at all new Revelation a Word so frequently used in Scripture and yet pretend so great kindness to new inward Illumination which is the same for it passeth their skill or any Man 's else to divide or separate the one from the other 6. But the great knack nicety or mystery of this distinction lieth in this that inward Illumination is only Revelation subjective or effective and in that sense some of that sort of Men say They own the necessity of inward Revelation and hold it to be all one with Illumination But they deny all inward objective Illumination or Revelation that is to say any inward Revelation of any inward object inwardly proposed to the Eye or Ear or other inward spiritual Sense and Faculty of the Soul the alone object of the Souls whole kowledge faith fruition enjoyment of God and communion with him being the Scriptures or God Christ and divine things not in themselves seen or enjoyed but as they are to be seen and known or revealed in the words of Scripture Hence they who use this distinction say the inward Light or Illumination of the Spirit being only effective or subjective but not objective i● medium incognitum assentiendi or principium incognitum cognoscendi that is to say an unknown Principle or mean of knowing and assenting which may be illustrated by this similitude that there is an inward vigour of Life and natural Spirits that are necessary to enable the outward Eye to see outward things and Objects but that inward vigor of natural Life and Spirits is not the object of the Eye nor seen by it or otherwise some may or do understand by subjective inward Revelation or Revelation on the part of the subject the Soul 's inward knowledge or perception as in the outward sight of things of this World there is the vision of the Eye or its sight and perception and the Object seen and perceived by the Eye Also in hearing there is the hearing or perception of the Ear and the thing heard be it Voice or sound of Man Beast or Bird or musical Instrument And thus according unto these Mens Doctrin the alone adequate formal Object of all faith knowledge fruition enjoyment sight and sense of the Souls of the most excellent Saints either now living or that have lived in all Ages past since the Apostles lived is the scripture-Scripture-words But this is all meerly begged and taken for granted without all proof and altogether contradictory to the experience of all the true Saints of God who have an inward sight knowledge and enjoyment of God far surpassing all Words or Writings And thus according to these Mens Doctrin all the knowledge or sight that the Saints have of God in this Life is but as one that seeth England in a Map but never saw the Land it self or as an hungry Man heareth and readeth good words of Meat but neither seeth nor tasteth it and as a Woman heareth of a Husband she is married unto or seeth his Picture on a Table or on Paper or readeth a Book that describeth his Beauty and Personage but is never admitted to see him or hear himself nor to touch handle or embrace him all which are sad tydings to Souls that love God and Christ but the best is they are utterly false and the experience of the Saints abundantly prove them to be false and such dark ignorant blind Doctrin proveth sufficiently what dark ignorant blind Men these have been or are who have published their own shame and folly to the face of the World and as blind and ignorant are these Teachers who have since received and published the same blind Doctrin But if the inward Light or Illumination be altogether an unknown Principle to him that hath it having no Evidence or Light or Demonstration of its own whereby to discover it how shall any Man be sure or know surely that he hath any inward divine Light or Illumination for no Scripture can tell him that he hath it or that he hath the Works of one that is divinely illuminated One would think the bear naming or mentioning such Doctrin is enough to refute it as to say God and Christ is and can only be known by words or report and hear-say whereas the Scripture saith Ear hath not heard nor Eye seen what these things are which God hath prepared for his Children And yet all Scripture words the Ear doth hear and the Eye doth see 7. But to come to the Conclusion of the matter it is to be noticed or considred that there is a Doctrinal and sensible knowledge of God or discursive and intuitive as for the doctrinal and discursive knowledge of God it is granted that it cannot be without words either of Scripture or some other words given by the same Spirit and also it is granted that Scripture words in God's ordinary way are necessary to give to Men the said doctrinal knowledge of God and Christ and many deep and mysterious things of the Christian Faith

shall finally perish not simply as men nor yet simply as sinners either for Adam's sin or other sins that they have formerly committed before that great sin of final Vnbelief and Impenitency but it doth regard and consider them as having a day of Visitation and a Call to Repent and a tender of Grace Love and Mercy from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ and as having resisted and rejected the same and hardning their hearts against it and that finally until the Day of their Visitation be over whereby they declare themselves unworthy of eternal Life and that they are none of Christ's Sheep but Goats to be put at the left Hand and if any say If these Men were not Elected before the Foundation of the World it will follow that they were Reprobated before it I answer it doth not follow for Elected and Reprobated are not contradictory terms being both positive and Election signifieth a Preference of some before others but that doth not argue a total Reprobation of others when God did elect some But at the End of the World and in the Conclusion it is granted that all who are not elected are but Reprobates to wit when all God's elect Seed every where are gathered out selected and separated from others as so many Grains of pure Gold from all the Dross Tin and Lead that they have been mingled with for a time here in this World that then nothing will remain but that which is Reprobate and which the Scripture calleth reprobate Silver the pure being wholly separated and selected from the impure the Gold and Silver from the Dross the Wheat from the Tares the Sheep from the Goats and the good Fish from the bad and the Children of the Kingdom from the Children of the wicked One he who hath Ears to hear let him hear and the wise in heart let them understand for unto them it is given but unto others as Christ said in Parables that seeing they may not see and hearing that they may not hear nor understand And also it is readily granted that there is a special and peculiar and singularly gracious Care and Providence of God towards all that shall be saved from the beginning of the world to the end and the number of them is most infallibly known unto God and every one of that number shall certainly be saved and none of them shall finally perish but in the proper season and time shall be graciously visited called converted justified sanctified and last of all glorified and this without any Violence done to their rational Faculties or Free-will for God doth well know how to gain and prevail upon the Understanding and Will and Inclinations of his People by such gentle and yet prevalent and overcoming Perswasions and Allurements and Motions of his holy Spirit of Grace of Light and Life as shall infallibly gather them unto himself And it is also granted that as God hath provided that Grace whereby some shall certainly be saved so by the same all are put under a capacity or possibility of Salvation And therefore that any are not saved in this World is not because of any want or defect in the sufficiency or efficacy in the Grace in its own Nature but because of them whom God in his infinite Justice and Counsel permits finally to resist it even as in the Parable of the Sower the Seed was one and the same in all the four Grounds but the Grounds differed one from another and that one Ground was good was of God but that others were bad was of themselves and the word Election doth properly enough signifie selection seperating and setting a part or refining as when Gold or Silver is separated in the Furnace from the Dross And this separation hath had its various degrees and progress from first to last as when Gold or Silver is purified or purged in the sire seven times and then in the seventh time it hath no mixture but is all pure or as when Liquor is poured from Vessel to Vessel several times or as Wheat is winnowed again and again until all the Chaff be separated And in this sense we find the word Election used in Scripture divers times Isa 14.1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob and will yet chuse Israel And Isa 49.7 And he shall chuse thee And Zach. 1.17 And the Lord shall yet comfort Zion and shall yet chuse Jerusalem And Zach. 2.12 He shall chuse Jerusalem again And Isa 48.10 I have chosen thee in the Furnace of Affliction And in this sense of the Word as it signifieth a selecting or separating the pure from the impure Election doth go before Reprobation and is not Co-evous with it But whether that Election in Christ before the Foundation of the world doth in some sort signifie a selection or setting apart in Christ the Head who was before the Foundation of the world and is said to be the Lamb slain from the Foundation of the World as some mystick Writers affirm it is not my present business to determine neither is it necessary at this present occasion 6. But the place of Scripture which they mainly abuse and wrest to prove this reprobate Doctrin of theirs of an absolute Reprobation of the greatest part of mankind even before they are born and that not only Babes and Sucklings on the Mothers Breasts but in the Womb are absolute Reprobates and cast-aways and that some yea many Infants die in a state of Reprobation and perish eternally only for Adams sin imputed unto them as they say without any knowledge or eonsent of theirs and corrupt Nature derived into them and that all such Reprobates never had or ever shall have any opportunity of saving Grace whereby it was possible to them at any time to be saved The place of Scripture I say they mainly abuse and wrest to favour this evil and pernicious Doctrin is that in Rom. 9.11 12 13. But for the opening and vindicating of this place of Scripture let it be considered that here is only a preference mentioned of Jacob before Esau how that the Elder shall serve the Younger but this saith nothing of Esau his being absolutely reprobated The great design of the Apostle Paul being to shew that God had chosen the Line of Jacob before the Line of Esau and given unto that Line and Posterity of Jacob a Preference and Dignity over the Line and Posterity of Esau and that the reason of this Preference was not any Works that they had done but for some other cause hid in the secret counsel of God and this Preference did appear first in chusing the Line and Posterity of Jacob to be his Church in that peculiar Dispensation of the Mosaical Law and giving them many Prophets and other excellent Men to be raised up among them and honouring them with many great and signal Appearances Signs and Wonders whereas the Posterity of Esau was not so highly favoured and yet they had a divine Dispensation among