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A88098	An after-reckoning with Mr Saltmarsh: or, An appeal to the impartiall and consciencious reader, and lover of truth and sincerity, against his last paper, called An end of one controversy, or an answer or letter to M. Leys large last book. Written by L.M. a student in divinity.	Ley, John, 1583-1662.	1646 (1646)	Wing L1870; Thomason E339_20; ESTC R200863	51,392	74

who takes upon him affirmatively and distinctly to answer that question and it is d Palacius 2. de Bapt. c. 33. Palacius a Papist who sayth he baptized him thus I baptize thee in thine owne name who wast to come Wherein being so punctuall in his resolution he was too presumptuous Yet on the other hand they are as far out who say as e Marsilius Paludanus apud Lorin in Act. c. 19. v. 4. p. 705. col 2. Bellarm l. 1. de Bapt. c. 20. Tom 3. p. 35● some doe that Iohn used no form of words at all in the Baptisme of Christ Fourthly f Magdeburg Centur. 1. l. 2. cap. 6. Chamier Tom. 4. l. 5. c. 13. p 277. Some learned Divines hold that Iohn did at least sometimes baptize in the Name of the Father Son and Holy ghost although some g Bellarm. l 1. de sacra Bapt. c. 23. Papists do with such confidence deny it h Lorin in Act Apost c. 10. v. a. p. 704. col 2. as to hold it impudence to affirm it And they hold so the rather to maintain their Tenet against the Protestants of the essentiall difference of the Baptisme of John from the Baptisme instituted by Christ according to his command and commission given to the Apostles Matth. 28.19 But it is probable enough that he did in his Baptisme make mention of the Trinity because 1. He had the same warrant of divine authority for what he did which the Apostles had Iob. 1.33 2. Because i Sic argument Chamterus loce citato he was an orthodox Divine and acquainted with the Doctrine of the Trinity 3. Because at the baptisme of our Saviour there was a most cleare manifestation of the Trinity the father acknowledging his Sonne from heaven and the holy ghost lighting on him in the likenes of a Dove And therefore it is like he made mention of the Trinity at least after Christs Baptisme at Iordan by way of supplication or of sacramentall application though ordinarily he baptized In the Name of Christ Iesus or of the Messias which was to come But whether he used the one or the other form before the act or instantly with the act of Baptizing as our manner is at this day is very uncertain The third Querie Of the severall Formes of Baptisme which is the chief The cheif forme for authority and perpetuity and community is that whereof Math. 28.19 is the ground I baptize thee in the Name of the Father Sonne and Holy ghost And though it be not necessary to conceive that ministers are bound formally expressaly and precisely to apply these words to the act of baptizing yet since no sence is assigned to them when they are so applied but what is very congruous to the act of the Minister it cannot but be a very safe way explicitly to mention them in the baptismal action For whether we meane by I baptize thee in the Name of the Father Sonne and Holy ghost I baptize thee by the power authority or commission from God as Acts. 3.6 and Acts. 4.7 who is owne in substance three in persons Father Sonn and Holy ghost or whether by those words we imply a prayer for the blessing of the Trinity upon the baptized person or engage him to the profession of the fayth and worship of the blessed Trinity or what other orthodox sence we assigne unto the words they may well be taken in that sence when sprinkling water upon the party baptized or dipping him in the water we say I baptize thee in the Name of the Father Sonne and Holy ghost For this forme of Baptisme there is very good warrant of scripture reason and practicall example 1. For scripture the Text forecited out of Math as it is expounded is plaine and pertinent to which may be added the forecited illustrious testification of the Father to the Sonne and the apparition of the Holy Ghost in the forme of a dove at our Saviours Baptisme in the river Jordan Mat. 3. 2. For reason we say that in baptisme there is a concurrent operation of grace towards the party baptized who is within the Covenant k Gerard. Loc. Com. Tom. 4. p. 488. ¶ 91. whereby the Father receiveth him for a Sonne the Sonne for a Brother the Holy Ghost for a Temple 3. For practicall example we have first the Apostles who received a Commission from our Saviour to Baptize In the name of the Father Sonne and Holy Ghost which appeareth to have been the Apostolicall practize by the passage betwixt Paul and the Disciples found at Ephesus for when Paul had put the question to them Whether they had received the Holy Ghost since they beleeved and they had answered that they had not so much as heard whether there were an Holy Ghost or no he replyed with a question Vnto what thou were yee baptized as it were wondring that they that were baptized should not have heard of the holy Ghost which he had no cause to do unlesse there had been practicall example to baptize with mention of the Holy Ghost And if the Holy Ghost were named at Baptisme it is not probable that either the Father or the Sonne were omitted But whether the Apostles constantly kept to that forme is uncertain Popish Authors confidently contradict each other in this point for lPetr Lombard in Sent. l. 4. Distinct 3 p. 699. Peter Lombard resolveth that the Apostles baptized in the Name of the Trinity mEstius in l. 4. Sent. dist 3. ¶ 4. p. 40. col 2. Estius avereth that the Apostles alwayes baptized In the Name of the Father Sonne and Holy Ghost and he renders this reason Because of one Sacrament there should be but one forme especially after a forme is prescribed as it was to the Apostles Mat. 28.19 Others n Aur●olus in 4. Sent. Dist 3. Francis Long. in Annot. in Can Apost 40. p. 136. Harding de Cor. sabutra quespec art 2. say that they had for a time a dispensation to baptize In the name of Christ Iesus for speciall honour to that person and Name which was most exposed to contempt But if that had been a sufficient reason why the Apostles should baptize In the Name of Christ and not of the Trinity it is like our Saviour would have given his order of Baptisme under that form For the times after the Apostles we finde many testimonies for Baptisme In the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost not only in the writings of suppositious or suspected Fathers as o Clem. Constit l 3 c. 16. l 7. c. 22. Clemens Romanus but in such as are acknowledged for legitimate as p Just Mart. Apot. 2. ad Anton. Pium an 150. Justin Martyr in his second Apology and in the book of confession or exposition of right faith which goeth under his name and if it be not his as there is q Bellar. de Eccles Scriptorib p. 64 Scultet medul patr part 1. c. 9. p. 34.

to be observed This opinion a Bell. de Bapt l. 1. c. 7. Tom. 3. p. 272. Bellarmin imputeth to Luther Zuinglius and Brentius as their errour 2. For the formes that are found in Scripture that Baptisme In the Name of Christ or of Christ Iesus was lawfull when John so baptized for it is recorded in the Scripture as before hath been shewed and no where reproved nor those so baptized by him rebaptized as hath been also shewed beofre 3. b Bell l. 1. de Sacr. Bapt. c. 3. p. 276. Francise Longus in Can. Apost 49. p. 136. Some teach that the Apostles baptized lawfully In the name of Christ though without the addition of these words which was to come as well as In the name of the Trinity 4. That it is lawfull for Ministers so to baptize at this day for the reason rendred by c Basil de spirit san●c 1● Basil because in one person all three are vertually included as in the name of Christ signisying anointed the person anointing the father is imploied and the person by whom he is anointed the holy Ghost So as d Fred. Span. hem dab Evang part 3. in Matth. 28. p. 79. Spanhemius saith John Baptized In the Name of the Trinity implicitly though not explicitely 5. For Baptisme In the Name of the Father Sonne and holy Ghost e Apul Suares loco sub citato 〈◊〉 some hold that termes of equivalence or equpollence bearing the same sence will serve for the forme of Baptisme as * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Clem. Constit l. c. 23. In the name of the sending Father or the Father that sendeth In the name of the Sonne that is come and In the name of the witnessing Comforter or g Suarez in 2. part Tham. Tom 3. qui est primas de sacram disp 2● q 66. sell 4. p. 21● In the name of him that begetteth of him that is begotten and of the spirit proceding from them both But the neerer the words come to those of the 28. of Matth. 19. the more assuredly lawfull as if one should baptize In the name of the Father the word and the holy Ghost 1 Iohn 5.7 Nor is that thought unlawfull to name each person with a word of explication added as h Egote haptizo in no nine atris in geniti filij genht S S. abu troque procedentis Lomb. 4. Sent. dist 3. I baptize thee In the name of the Father that begetteth and of the Sonne that is begotten and of the holy Ghost which proceedeth from them both These propositions may have a speculative truth in them and there may be warrant for them for it seemes reasonable to think that as though our Saviour said After this maner pray ye Matth. 6.9 and when ye pray say c. Luke 11.2 yet when we pray it may be lawfull to use another forme or that forme with some expository variation so it may be lawfull in respect of the thing it selfe to use the same words or others of the like sense and meaning and this the rather because we finde not that any other Sacrament in the old or new Testament had any set forme of words wherewith it was by a prescript order or any peremptory rule to be administred but to be practically lawfull at this time after so ancient and so generall a use and custome of most orthodox Churches is another thing For to depart from those words having so generall warrant not onely from Scripture but from universall observation cannot be done without scandall and so cannot be lawfully done though the thing it selfe in it self and in thesi be lawfull as though it be lawfull for a Preacher to keepe on his hat while he speaketh to the people and in the thing it selfe more congruous to his condition then to the peoples to be covered at Setmon yet since it hath been so long a received custome in our Church for the Preacher not to weare his hat though the people doe he that should preach with his hat on his head would occasion a scandall and give men occasion to conceive That he were either very proud or very vaine and fantasticall The fifth Querie If there be any variation from the forme in Matth. 28.19 what may be admitted without violation of the Sacrament what not In answere wherto we say First That some words in this forme are not so necessary and considerable as others as 1. It is not necessary to say I baptize thee in the first person for the k Non negamus quia per illa verba Baptizetur talis servm Christi in nomine patris filij spir saucti vet baptizetur manib●● meis talis verum perficiatur Baptisma Concil Florent decretum super unione Iacobinorum Armeniorum Franc. Long. Sum. Concil p. 888. col 1. Greeks baptizing in the third person Let this servant of Christ be baptized or baptized by my hands in the name of the Father Sonne and holy Gholst are acknowledged to have a true baptisme Secondly It is not necessary to say Baptize for a man may perform true and sufficient baptisme by the word wash or sprinkle as well as by the word baptize Thirdly It makes no great difference to say in the name or into the name for as in the name may note the authority of Baptisme and the holy influence of the Authour going along with it so to be baptized into Christ Rom. 6.1 or into the name of Christ may note the effect and benefit of Baptisme incorporating the baptized into the mysticall body of Jesus Christ and though we read the words Matth. 28.19 In the name of the Father the Greek 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may more exactly in the grammaticall sence of the words be rendred into the name and the like we may resolve of the same phrase 1 Cor. 1.13 but to be Baptized in the name is properly the true English of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 2.38 and of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 10.48 But l In nomine utique art non in nominibus ut unitas essen tiae ostendatur per tria verò que supposuit tres esse personas declaravit Ambros de si de ad Gratian cap. 1. Ambrose observes in the Name in the singular number as importing the unity of substance in the Trinity of persons of the Godhead Secondly But for the expresse mention of all the persons of the Trinity it is held by many to be m Aquin. in 3. part q. 66. art 5. ad 7. in 4 sent dist 3. art 2. questi uncula 2. ad ● Bonarent art q. 3. Scotus quest 2. art 3 num 16. Paludanus q. 1. art 3. necessary both n Suarez in 3. part Thom. Tom. 3. qui est primus de Sacramentis disp 21. q. 66. Sect. 4 p. 220 col 2. because of the words of Christ Matth. 28.19 the custom of the Church and the scandall which would be occasioned if any of them should