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A81501	The Discipline and order of particular churches, no novelty. Proved from Scripture, reason, autiquity, and the most eminent modern divines. Or, A discourse of the church, in a scripture notion, with her extent, power and practice, tending to moderate the minds of men, toward dissenters in matters ecclesiastical, and to acquit such from the charge of innovation, faction, separation, schism, and breach of union and peace in the church, who cannot conform in many things to the rules, canons, and practices of others. / By a Lover of truth, peace, unity, and order.	Lover of truth, peace, unity, and order.	1675 (1675)	Wing D1558A; ESTC R174652	61,995	98

THE DISCIPLINE AND ORDER Of Particular CHURCHES NO NOVELTY Proved from Scripture Reason Antiquity and the most Eminent Modern DIVINES OR A Discourse of the Church in a Scripture Notion with her Extent Power and Practice tending to Moderate the Minds of Men toward Dissenters in Matters Ecclesiastical and to acquit such from the Charge of Innovation Faction Separation Schism and Breach of Union and Peace in the Church who cannot conform in many things to the Rules Canons and Practices of others By a Lover of Truth Peace Unity and Order London Printed Anno Dom. M.DC.LXXV THE DISCIPLINE AND ORDER OF Particular CHURCHES no Novelty c. THE Church of God since the days of the Gospel was and is according to Scripture-expressions either first the whole Body of Christ consisting of all the Elect See the disputation against Campion at the Tower Sep. 18. 1581. in the Morn by Tulk. and Goad as Eph. 5.23 Christ the head of the Church the Saviour of the Body ver 27. That he might present to himself a Glorious Church ver 25. Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it So Heb. 12.22 23. To the General Assembly and Church of the First born written in Heaven c. Col. 1.18 He is the Head of the Body the Church c. Dr. Carleton sometime Bishop of Chichester in his little Piece Called A Direction to know the true Church p. 3. saith That the Saints before the Law under the Law and under Grace make up the Body of Christ or Members of the Church and that this is the Catholick Church Or Secondly the Universal Visible Church or whole Visible Body of Believers upon the whole Earth at the same time as Acts 2.42 The Lord added to the Church daily Mr. Baxter Cure of Church-Divisions p. 82. Ho●ke● Eccl. Polity third Book p. 88. c. So Eph. 3.21 Vnto him be Glory in the Church by Christ Jesus throughout all Ages Or Thirdly a particular Congregation Society or Company of Professors of the Faith of Jesus Christ usually meeting together in one place as one Body for the participation of the same Ordinances and Exercising the same Duty as a Church in Edifying one another Reynolds in his Conference with Hart Cap. 6. p. 218. saith That a Bishop in our sence is him to whom the Over-fight and charge of a particular Church is committed such as Ephesus Philippi and the seven Churches Prayer c. Such as was the Church in Jerusalem Acts 11.22 Tydings came to the Ears of the Church which was in Jerusalem and they sent forth Barnabas and others c. That this was but one Congregation is evident from Act. 15. where Paul and Barnabas and others coming from Antioch to this Church they were received by the Church first and then the Apostles and Elders The Apostles Elders and Brethren the whole Multitude were present at the Discourse of the Matter and the Epistle wrote in the name of the whole Apostles Elders and Brethren met together with one accord ver 25. Such was the Church of Antioch which was gathered together Acts 14.27 when Paul and Barnabas came and with whom they had Assembled before a whole year Acts 11.26 And were afterwards gathered together to receive and hear the Epistle Acts 15.30 Such were the Churches which the Apostles visited and ordained Elders in Acts 14.23 for they did it by suffrage Likewise the Church in Corinth 1 Cor. 1 2. Vnto the Church of God in Corinth These met in one place 1 Cor. 5. 1 Cor. 11.18.20.23 Cap. 14.23 So the Church at Cenchrea near Corinth See Smect p. 40 41. 47 58 59. Bishop Jewels Reply to Harding p. 230. And Mr. Stillingfleet quotes Pareus in Rom. 16. for this that the Church of Corinth did meet sometimes at Cenchrea because of the violence of their Enemies in Corinth Therefore also when the Apostles spake any where of the Assemblies or Societies of Believers in any one Country they call them not a Church in the singular Number or the Church of such a Country or Isle but Churches as of many in the same Country as in Judea Macedonia Galatia Asia 1 Thes 2.14 2 Cor. 8.1.18.23 24. Gal. 1.2.22 The Holy Ghost mentions seven Churches by name in Asia Rev. 1.4 Ch. 2. Ch. 3. And as to this the same Bishop Carleton in the same Book p. 2. saith That particular Churches are visible Assemblies c. and Governed by divers visible heads and proves it by Gregory Lib. 4. Epist 3. A fourth Church in Scripture Phrase cannot be found since the time that all in every Nation which fear God are accepted as the Apostle said Acts 10.34 35. Such as National Provincial Synodical c. We read not in Scripture nor in any Church History for many years after Christ of any Church distinct from these Descriptions before given Now it is to be presumed that there are none who will affirm that the first of these three Churches could possibly meet together or do any Act as a Church either in choosing Officers determining Controversies Ordering things indifferent to Edification giving Interpretations of Scriptures partaking of Ordinances and casting out of Offenders c. Or that ever any such Power was derived down from Christ upon them as a Church so to do or that he ever intended this Church when he directs any thing to be done by the Church as such because of the utter impossibility of their performance thereof as a Church part of which being already fallen asleep and part not yet born Also it may be concluded as to the second Church above described that it is utterly impossible they should at any time meet together as a Church in one Body to agree upon consent unto Act or Order any thing according to the power given to the Churches as above joyntly as such a Church or partake of Ordinances joyntly as such Nay it 's improbable if not impossible that in their Representative this Church should meet and put themselves into a capacity to Act as a Church in any of the things to be done by a Church as such Nay was there ever any such meeting of this Church None as can be found in Story Or if this were possible where have we Authority of Scripture or Primitive Practice to justifie such a Company of Representatives to call themselves a Church in this sence and to take to themselves the Power of the whole Church given to her by Jesus Christ and to call their Acts the Acts of the Church And it would be strange for any to affirm that Christ hath put the Power as to the Execution of it into the hands of a Body that can never possibly be able to Execute the Power derived upon If any number of Men would colourably make themselves the Churches Representative It is necessary they should be chosen by the whole and some one at least for every particular Church Body Society or Congregation throughout the World as the Messengers

whose Ministers ●re made after another manner and imposed upon ●hem Or how can any such convinced Ones have ●o do in Congregations and Ordinances otherwise Ordered and Acting then according to this rule in faith to expect Gods presence and blessing in it how can any knowing these things without renouncing Christ as Lord and Lawgiver in his church own and subscribe to the exercise of this power by others then these Churches much more how can any so convinced enforce others to give subjection to any Usurping this power without sin against Christ Whatsoever is not of Faith is sin so that if we are found in the practice of any thing in these matters not commanded at all or of any thing commanded in other manner then is prescribed by the Law of Christ we cannot groundedly believe for a blessing there Mr. Hooler Eccles Polity in the Preface having no promise for it Nay it is sin if we do but doubt it Rom. 14.22.23 Therefore every one ought to be at liberty till he be convinced and fully perswaded in his own mind er'e he meddle with these things Secondly Surely this then justifies and commends such who being fully perswaded of the truth of the premises do endeavour to regulate their practices in all Church affairs by these rules for the Scripture saith as we have received how ought to walk and to please God so should we abound c. 1 Thes 4.1 and as Tymothy was charged to continue in the things he had learned and had been assured of knowing of whom he had learned them and that from a Child he had known the Holy Scriptures 2 Tim. 3.14 15. So are Saints in general commanded to stand fast and hold the Traditions which they have been taught by word or Epistle 2 Thess 2.15 especially when they have by reading and searching the Scriptures like the Noble Beraeans Act. 17. proved these things to be so and find that the primitive Gospel Churches practised according to this and so trying all things hold fast that which is good and stand fast in the liberty Christ hath left them for in so doing they are lesse like to erre Mark 12.24 do ye not therefore erre not knowing the Scriptures c. And if these have their foundation for their practices here they may boldly say with Paul Act. 24. after the way they call Heresie so worthy I c. believing all things that are written c. Bishop Jewel in his reply to Harding p. 111. alleadgeth these words out of Cyprian lib. 2. Epist 3. speaking of Bishops If any of my Predecessors have not followed or kept that thing which the Lord by his Example and Commandement hath Taught us he for his simplicity may be pardoned but if we wilfully offend there is no pardon for us who are already warned and instructed of the Lord Again that after God hath once opened his truth to us if then we shall continue in error c. And again in p. 144. he quotes Cyprian ad Caecil lib. 2. Epist 3. for these words It behoveth the Religion we professe and our reverence towards God and ●he very place and Office of our Priesthood to keep ●he Truths of the Lords tradition and by the Lords ●dvertisements to correct that thing that by certain ●ath been amisse that when he comes in his Glory ●nd Majesty he may find us to hold what he warn●d to keep that he taught us to do that he did All which words of his presseth an exact keeping to ●he Rules left us when we know them But if it shall be objected that the people of the Churches are unlearned and cannot understand ●criptures and thence 't is they mistake and wrest ●criptures that it is for learned Men who understand Tongues c. to give the meaning of Scriptures and that others ought to submit to their judgments herein and to practise as the learned Fathers and Doctors of the Church have done before us See Helis Serm. of the abuse of Difficult places of of Scripture Matth. 1● 10.11 For Answer hereto briefly First The Apostle by the term unlearned intends not unskilful in Tongues nor in humane learning but unskilful in the Spiritual meaning of the Holy Ghost in the Scripture We know the Gospel is hid to some to them that are lost c. though otherwise never so learned wise or great and to others it is given to know Secondly That in this sence the Scripture is not understood by the help of the greatest Art Skil of Tongues nor the largest humane Wisdome of any this can only reach the letter but by the help of the Spirit of God 1 Cor. 2.14 The things of God are foolishness to the Natural man nor can he know them because they are spiritually understood o● discerned Now surely none will deny but that 〈◊〉 man may be very learned and wise in humane things See the Conference between Raynolds and Hart c. 2. p. 58. cap. 6. p. 2●7 and have great skill in Tongues and ye● be but a natural man still that is not having the Spirit of God by whom spiritual things are opene● to us where is the Wise where is the Scribe wher● is the Disputer of this world and God chose th● foolish things of this world to confound the wise c. that no flesh should Glory in his presence Matth. 12.7 c. 13.10 11.12 Luk. 19.41 42. Joh. 3.10 Act. 13.17 27. Act. 26.9 a● is abundantly clear in 1 Cor. 1.18 19 20.27 28 29. And this was apparent amongst the Jew● their most learned men Scribes and Pharisees chief Priest c. with all their learning and pretence to greater knowledge than the rest of th● Jews could not find out the meaning of the Prophets concerning Christ but Crucified Him and Christ said of them that they were the blind leading the blind and that they were therefore blind because they thought they did see above others although these were as confident that they were the only knowing men as the learned Doctors and Rulers of Churches of latter ages have been of themselves And the contrary on the other hand ●o 9.39 Bish Jewel's Reply to Harding p. 533. 526 Luk. 24.44 45. John 8.12 31. Joh. 6.14 Eph. 1.17 13. 1● Epist Joh. 2.27 we see men of no knowledge in Tongues c. nor much worldly Wisdom when Christ by his Spirit had opened their understanding they then understood the Scriptures And for this end amongst others was the Holy Ghost promised to the followers of Christ he himself said that such as believed should not sit in darkness but have the light of life that his Spirit should take of his and shew it to them And the Apostle saith the anointing which they should receive should teach them c. Thirdly That this Spirit of God is neither promised nor given to the learned Doctors able Schoolmen or Governours of Churches only but is promised to all believers in general and so bestowed upon all

Christs members in common though in different Measures as the Spirit pleaseth and many times more abundantly upon such who had least of outward greatness of skill in the tongues or humane Wisdom that God might be glorified the more and that no flesh might glory as in 1 Cor. 1. ch 2. before mentioned doth clear therefore such may come to the knowledge of Christs mind in the Scriptures hereby as well as learned men Each part of which answer Bishop Jewel in his reply to Harding Bishop Carleton in his little Book before quoted and others fully maintain We shall transcribe some few things first as to this It is not learning but the Spirit of God that makes men able to understand Scriptures Bishop Jewel p. 216. he saith out of Tertul. Contra Hermogenem that knowledge of Philosophy and affiance of learning hath caused Divisions and Heresies in the Church and therefore he called the Philosophers the Patriarchs of Hereticks Again in p. 526 527. out of Chrysostome he saith that to understand Gods Word we need no silogismes or knowledge of Logick Husbandmen old men c. do understand it that Julian charged the Christians that their women were so learned in the Scriptures and again p. 532. he saith out of Epiphanius lib. 2. that only to the children of the Holy Ghost all the Holy Scriptures are plain and clear and again p. 434 that it is true that flesh and blood is not able to understand the will of God without speciall revelation Christ opened the understanding of his Disciples that without this speciall help of Gods Spirit the word of God is unto the reader be he never so wise or learned saith he as the Vision of a Sealed Book c. Secondly as to this that the Spirit of God is not given to the Doctors rulers of the Churches or Learned men only but also to all the members of Christ in common in some measure and that they ought to search the Scriptures may understand them by the help of this Spirit as well as the learned who have skill in tongues and humane learning Cardinall Cajetan though a Papist at the Councel of Trent affirmed this That a sence of Scripture against the stream of the Doctors is not to be rejected if agreeing with other Scriptures For God saith he hath not tyed the sence to the old Doctors Concil Trident. lib. 2. p. 158. Bishop Jewel in the same Reply to Harding p. 205. saith That Chrysostome did perswade his people to read the Scripture That they are plain and easie that the Ignorant and Simple men by prayer unto God may attain unto the knowledge of them without any Master or Teacher by himself alone and he there quotes Chrisostome in Math. Hom. 2. in Ps 43. ad Colos Hom. 9. Contra Anomaeos Hom. 3. in Gen. Hom. 35. and for these words also If thou use to pray diligently See Raynolds his Conference with Hart c. 2. p. 62. there is no cause thou shouldest desire the teaching of thy fellow servant for God himself will abundantly enlighten thy mind without any interpreter and again it cannot be that any man with great study fervent desire reading the Scripture should be destitute though he want the teaching of man yet will God himself from above enter into our hearts and lighten our minds and our reason and open things that are hid and become our teacher of such things we know not Again in p. 519. 531. 532. 534. c. he alledgeth many Fathers to prove that the people ought to be diligent in searching Scriptures both men and women That that is the way to keep from Heresies That such who search cannot be deceived And in p. 526. 527. he saith again out of Gerson That the weighing and consideration of Faith pertaine as well to others as to the Prelates yea to the Lay People and that better many times saith he then to many Priests And that we ought rather to believe a Lay man if he bring the authority of Scripture then the Pope and a generall Councill And again p. 532. he speaking of the understanding of the Scriptures saith That in these things the Spirit of God is bound neither to sharpness of Wit nor to abundance of Learning oft-times the unlearned saith he seeth that thing that the learned cannot see And again after p. 534. having said before That without the speciall helps of Gods Spirit the word of God is as a sealed Book c He there adds these words That this revelation is not speciall to some but generall to all the members of Christ And he here blames Mr. Harding for having so low an esteem of the Vulgar people as the Scribes and Pharisees had of the followers of Christ These are accursed not knowing the law said they Though the Apostles saith he calls them Citizens with the Saints and of the houshold of God Again p 537. That the learned Fathers have evermore thought that in such perillous times of dissention in Judgment it is most behoofull for the people to have recourse unto the Scriptures Act. 17. And out of Chrysostome in opere imperfecto Hom. 49. upon these words ye shall see the Abominations c. That Christian men who will be assured of the true Faith must resort to nothing but Holy Scriptures else saith he they will be offended and perish and not knowing which is the true Church and by meanes thereof they shall fall into the abomination of the desolation And out of Chrysost Hom. 49. That we may in no wise believe the Churches themselves unlesse they say and do such things as be agreeable to Scriptures Again p. 544. See Ray●●●ds Co●ference with Hart. c. 2 6● he saith out of Theodoret de natura hominis lib. 5. That you may commonly see not only the teachers of the people and Rulers of the Churches but also Taylors Smiths c. do understand the Principles of our Religion women who live of their labour Servants Husbandmen Ditchers c. can reason of the Holy Trinity of ●e Creation of the world of the nature of man a ●eat deal more skillfully than either Plato or A●stotle was ever able to do and that Origen said to ●s Hearers thus when I speak what I think meet Origen in Joshua Hom. 21. Bishop Hooper in his Declaration of the ten Comman fol. 46. Jer. 44.17 18. Ezek. 20.18 ●amine and judge you whether it be well or other●ise Upon which words the Bishop concludes ●at in old times the Vulgar people were able not ●ly to understand the Scriptures but also to judge their Preachers And as to our Fathers exam●e he saith p. 542. that our Fathers examples are ●t alwayes sufficient Rules for saith he they ●e been led in Ignorance Many Hereticks saith 〈◊〉 plead nothing but that they were born in liv● in that they now practise and received from ●eir Fathers So much of this Bishop here A word out of Bishop Carleton and we shall con●de this

absolute or of their denying their profession of Jesus Christ or of withdrawing from the Congregation or Society to which they were regularly joyned without just cause refusing to walk in such a Church of Christ in the orderly participation of ordinances and to submit to the laws of Christ exercised therein Or they must find a fourth Church described in Scripture or in the Apostles dayes and shew such a one now from which a man may be said in a proper sence to separate also prove what act it is that makes a separation from that Church And that these persons are guilty of separation thence by such an Act or else they cannot rationally conclude any of these to be separatists or scismaticks in any sence at all If they can do neither of these they will see cause to be angry no longer But it is possible they may alledge against some of these that they have separated from the particular Congregations whereto sometimes they were joyned therefore are they seperatists For Answ first Then it must be proved that they were regularly joyned to that Congregation that is by a voluntary Act of theirs in understanding which is proved by some expresse desire in him that joynes and an actuall admission by the Society to which he is joyned For a man may ignorantly sit down at a Sacrament in these Churches where no order is observed to prevent that confusion as in Most Parish Churches yet this makes not a regular joyning nor him a fixed member of that Church or Society a heathen may do this besides this is not consisting with the nature of a regular Society of rationall men much less of Christians where must be a consideration or compact between all the parties obliged yea further if a man be made of such a parish by the law of the land and bound by the Law joyn with the same Parish as a Church and be one of the members thereof This cannot be a regular joyning him to this Church neither without his own voluntary Act For by the Law of Nature and the law of God men are left free to joyn themselves to what Congregation or Society they pleased Amos 3.3 How can two walk together except they be agreed And it is against both these yea against the very nature and well being of such Societies to force men to be of this or that Society against their own minds and without the free consent of the Society it self yet this was the case of most we presume who withdrew from parish Churches and Societies either they did never by any act desire a regular admittance or did the Society ever in truth make any Actuall admission only sate down at a Sacrament or they were made of the Society by a Law neither of which can be made out to be such a regular joyning to that Society as to d●nominate any such person to be a Schismatick or Seperatist for leaving them and joyning himself to any other Besides should we grant that they were regularly joyned and so actuall members of this or that Church yet if they remove to another Church if the Church of England be but true to their own Principles and own their common practices See Mr. Vines upon the Sacrament p. 266. he saith as we may remove for health c. so for more fruitful Ordinances as regular the guilt of separation cannot lye in this neither for they allow a man to leave one parish and go to another for conveniency of Habitation Ayre Trade c. Bodily advantages and then joyn with the other Parish Church as a member there and leave the first yea and that without acquainting the first Church whereof he was a Member with his intentions and for this he shall be no Separatist so that from this it 's clear that separation lyes not barely in this that men leave one Congregation or Society and joyn themselves to another And wee think it may easily be granted that if outward concernments be enough to acquit a man from the guilt of separation on such an account and warrant his remove from one Church to another much more may Soul concernment justifie a leaving of one Church and adjoyning to another Yet further we hope none will deny but that there may be just cause for withdrawing from some Societies and whether this might not fall in for a sufficient plea for many to clear themselves by from any crime upon the account of withdrawing from the Society where once they were and joyning to another Mr. Stillingfleet in his said Irenicum p. 117. 118. 120. agrees thus much That where any Churches retaining purity of doctrine do require the owning of and conforming to any unlawful or suspected practice men may lawfully deny conformity to and communion with that Church in such things Hales of Schisme p. 8. without incurring the guilt of Scisme and gives this reason for it If our separation from the Church of Rome was therefore lawfull because she required unlawfull things as Conditions of her Communion Then wherever such things are required by any Church Non-communion with that Church in those things will be lawfull too And where saith he Non-communion is lawfull there can be no Schisme in it If that justified our withdrawing from the Church of Rome Mr. Raynolds conference with Hart p. 666. 667. will it not saith he justifie mens Non-conformity in things supposed by them to be unlawfull And again our best Writers against the Papists lay the imputation of Schisme not upon these who withdraw Communion but upon those who require such things whereby they did rather eject men out of their Communion than the others separate from them And he quotes Mr. Hales of Schisme to prove fully The refusal of Communion in case any unnecessary things suspected by some and held unlawfull by others be made Conditions of Communion to be Lawfull and Duty c. Now it may be this might be the case of every one who hath withdrawn Communion from parishes that many things are required there whithout a Conformity to which no communion can be had with them That these required things are in the judgment of those who thus withdraw unnecessary useless unlawfull or suspected at least And then this will upon the same grounds acquit every such one who have withdrawn from the Charge of Scisme And though Mr. Stillingfleet seems a little in the 117. p. of the said Book to mince it in these words I say not that men may proceed to erecting of new Churches Yet he in his Book called a Rational Account c. p 332. seems to own such a thing when he pleads against Rome and justifies Protestants separations These are his words Suppose all the particular men I converse with were Leprous my associating my self with them doth not imply any separation from the Communion of all mankind but that I am loth to be infected as they are Therefore I withdraw till I can meet with

healthfull persons withwhom I can associate again And if several other persons saith he be of the same mindwith me and we therefore joyn together do we therefore divide our selves from the whole world Thus he in this place clearly intimated a withdrawing from one Society upon good grounds and then for as many as be so withdrawn and of the same mind to joyn themselves together and associate by agreement and that is no separation And no doubt but that there is matter enough to be found sufficiently to warrant such persons in this also as well as in withdrawing Communion But if yet they shall say the Church of England is that from which these separate How pray If the Church of England be granted to be a Church in either or both of the two first Descriptions herein before given though in Truth she be but a little part of both yet there is no other Union with her as one Church nor can there be but the Union in Fa●th under one Head Jesus Christ and participation of the same Spirit and the profession of this Faith So that none can be said to separate from her as a Church or be guilty of Schism or breach of Union here but such who renounce the Faith and their Union with Christ the Head in Word or Deed and forsake their profession of it And this Church of England cannot be pretended to be a particular Church under the third Description for they never yet associated as such nor is it possible for them as a Church to meet in one intire body in one place to partake of the same Ordinances or do any other Act as a Church or Society but always met in their several Bodies or Churches for performing of all Acts of a Church as such In like manner also do these who are so blamed Therefore in this sence neither can they be by any Rule of Reason said to be guilty of Schism If these Offended ones shall yet say thus That such Men refuse to joyn with our Congregations and Ministers in our way For Answer to this besides what hath been said before to justifie their continuing by themselves First it 's thought in Charity to be presumed That these Men are convinced of the Truth of the premises That in truth all things about Church-Affairs were managed in and by particular Churches Congregations or Societies by Divine Authority and so Ordered as before Their Ministers chosen the Matter of their Worship without any addition alteration or diminishing according to Divine Rules Scandalous Persons cast out c. That these cannot judge it Lawful for them to do any thing in these matters contrary or not according to this Rule but think if they should they must sin against God And then this must needs be a sufficient plea for these in this case especially since other things to them doubtful unnecessary and sinful are made necessary Conditions of Communion with those Congregations So that none can communicate with them but of necessity he must submit to own and joyn with there things and neglect the other way Secondly Is any man bound to joyn with or partake in every Congregation in England or in more than one or must he be guilty of the breach of Union Surely no may not a Man abide in his own Parish all his Life and refuse to have any Minister but his own or Communicate with any Congregation but that whereof he is a Member Yet he shall not for this be accounted a Schismatick or Separatist It is presumed no Man will say he shall Wherein then lyes the difference These men thus accused do joyn themselves to some one Congregation or Church of God according to the Rules as was in the beginning and there they abide in the Orderly participation of Ordinances and Subjection to Christs Laws therein executed and disagree in nothing of the true Faith from other Churches So that it follows That barely upon this pretence neither can they fasten the Crime of Separation upon those who do not joyn with their Congregations and Ministers May not members of Parish-Churches be as properly said to be Separatists for refusing to joyn themselves to those Congregations Societies or Churches and Ministers in their Worshipping of God as these for not joyning with them Nor can it be said That these dis-agree with the Church of England in any thing wherein the whole Church of God is agreed or the whole Church of England but only in some things wherein the Church of God yea in England dis-agree amongst themselves as Mr. Stillingfleet in his said Book called A Rational Account p. 357 358. affirms against the Papists in these words We saith he have not separated from the whole Christian World in any thing wherein the whole Christian World is agreed But to dis-agree from the particular Churches of the Christian World in those things wherein those Churches differ amongst themselves is not to separate from the Christian World but to dis-agree in some things from these particular Churches The case is here the same These do not separate from the whole Church of England but only dis-agree in those things wherein the particular Churches differ amongst themselves And then walk with such who can and will agree with them in these things If they say the Parish-Churches are most Lawful and right and so their Ministers Ministration and Order Let this be first decided by Gods Word and their Lawfulness better proved than the Churches Ministry and Order and Management of Church-Affairs amongst these and before set forth as the Primitive Practice and then they say something But if they justifie all by the Law of the Land only it may soon be answered by this That it was not so from the beginning That the other way is proved by the Law of God and Practice of the Primitive Churches and approbation of Learned and good Men in all Ages yea and of Men of contrary Practices themselves Therefore surely the best plea against this For if Magistrates or Governors appoint any thing in these matters not agreeable to these Rules so that Men cannot be satisfied in their own minds but doubt it's Lawfulness such doubting ones may not be in the practice of it till they be satisfied of it's Lawfulness without sin Nor will it be a sufficient Excuse in the great Day of the Lord if they thus sin To say that the Magistrate commanded me to do it If they shall yet further alledge That these Persons agree not to Walk not in those Practices and Rules in the Church of England which are prescribed by the same Church and to which the generality of the same Church agree and submit and therefore they may be said to be Separatists and Schismaticks Though a full Answer to this may be gathered from the Answer to the last Objection And what hath been said in this before to acquit them from this Charge upon such an Account That is that the Church of England as such

of the Churches were chosen by the Churches or else how in any tolerable sense can they be said to be the Church in either of the two first Descriptions And then surely it will follow That all the Power that by the Scripture is placed in the Church of God as such as to the Execution thereof is derived upon the particular Churches Societies or Congregations for the management of Church-matters within themselves as to Meeting the Ordering of Circumstances of Worship casting out of Offenders choosing Officers Ordering things indifferent c. according to the Laws of Christ given us in Precept or Example of Scripture and practice of purest times and the determination of these things is given to each Church the same Power by the same Rule The Magdeburg Divines Singulae Ecclesiae parem habebant c. Cent. 2. Cap. 7. Col. 134 135. Says That every Church hath a like Power of Teaching Gods Word Administring Sacraments Excommunicating and absolving Sinners of calling and choosing her Ministers and for just cause again to depose them to Exercise the Ceremonies received from the Apostles and also for the cause of Edification appoint New ones this they prove by many Authors And Bishop Jewel in his Epistle to the Council of Trent agrees to this in these words We know saith he there that the Spirit of God is not tyed to places nor to numbers of Men tell it to the Church saith Christ not to the whole Church spread over the whole Earth saith the Bishop but to a particular Church which may easily meet in one place Wheresoever saith Christ two or three are gathered together in my Name Mr. Vines upon the Sacrament p. 166. agrees this there I am in the midst of them When Paul saith the Bishop would Reform the Church of Corinth and the Galatians he did not command them to expect a general Council but only wrote to them That what error soever or Vice was amongst them themselves should presently cut it off Hist Concil Trident. p. 860. English Translation And in the same Council it was alledged against Episcopal Assemblies Naz. ad Procop. Epist 42. out of Gregory Nazianz. That Contention hath been always increased by Episcopal Assemblies The same Hist Lib. 7. p. 706. That these particular Churches or Societies were made up of Professing Believers Voluntarily joyning themselves together and that it was each Believers Liberty to joyn himself to what Society Church or Number of Christians he pleased or was most convenient for him And that it was the Churches power to admit such who desired so to joyn unto them And that this Liberty continued to particular Churches and Christians many hundred years See Justice Hubbard in the Case between Colt and the Bish of Coventry and Litchfield we think none can deny if they do let them shew a President Authoritative against it Thus it was in the beginning The Disciples were all together in Solomons Porch and of the rest durst no man to joyn himself to them but the People magnified them Acts 5.12 13. So Acts 9.26 Saul assayed to joyn himself with the Church in Jerusalem who being satisfied about him received him Nothing of any Law of God or the Church in those days nor in some Ages after to confine Men to joyn themselves to or continue with this or that particular Church or Society or to this or that Church so and so formed and Governed No nor can we find any such Law made by any of the first Christian Emperors but still left free It was thus alledged at the Council of Trent That the Division of Parishes was first made by the People when a certain number of Inhabitants having received the Faith built a Temple for the Exercise of their Religion hired a Priest and did constitute a Church which by the Neighbours was called a Parish and when the Numbers were increased if one Church and Priest were not sufficient those who were most remote did build a Church beside and fit themselves better Hist Conc. Trident. Lib. 6. p. 498. And Mr. Stillingfleet in his Irenicum affirms That Men are not bound by the Law of Nature to associate themselves with any but whom they shall think fit And that every one entring into a Society should consent and submit unto the Rules of it which saith he at mens first entring into the Society of a Church was requisite to be done by the express and explicite consent of the parties themselves being capable c. And for Children he saith That it is highly rational that when they come to Age they should explicitly declare their own voluntary consent to submit to the Laws of Christ and conform themselves to the Profession of Christianity which saith he might be a probable way and certainly most agreeable both to Reason and Scripture to advance the Credit of Christianity once more in the World c. That one great cause of the flourishing of Religion in the Primitive times was certainly the strictness used by them in their admission of Members into their Church-Societies These are Mr. Stillingfleets own words see them in p. 132. 134. And as to the Churches admittance of Members and of such as joyn themselves the same Stillingfleet saith in the same Book p. 134 135. That none were admitted but such into whose Lives and Carriages they had enquired to discern their seriousness in their professions of Christianity and find true Repentance and Reformation of Life a profession of Faith and answerable Life to the Gospel without which it was not Lawful to admit them and this he proves there by Origen Justin Martyr c. And as to an explicit Covenant by such he saith That if by an Explicit Covenant be meant a real consideration between those who joyn themselves together in Gospel-Ordinances in Order to their being a Church he koweth none will question it that knoweth what it is that maketh a Society to be so which is such a real consideration with one another Again That though every Christian be bound to joyn with some Society or Church yet not being determined by Scripture to what particular Church they should joyn therefore saith he for Christians better understanding what their mutual Duty is one to another who is their Pastor to whom they owe the Relation of Members That there should be some significant Declaration either by their Words or Actions of their willingness to joyn with such a particular Society in Gospel-Ordinances Mr. Vines upon the Sacrament p. 322 323 324. This he grants to be necessary too And further That when Churches are over-run with Looseness Ignorance and Prophaneness this is useful saith he if not necessary Yea that at all times it seems the most likely way to advance the Practice Power and Purity of Religion See it more at large p. 138. 140. If it be Objected That though the Law of God or Nature hath not yet that there are Laws of Men that do determine the

63 and he there quotes Ephiphanus l. 2. for these words only to the Children of the Holy Ghost all the Scriptures are plain and clear Bishop Nicholson of Gloucester in his aforesaid Book p. 32. from Rom. 12.7 8. saith that those gifts are given to other Christians as well as to Officers and that they ought to use these tallents as well as Officers and there he proves it by other places of Scripture also So that it is plain that the brethren may have the Spirit of God and such gifts of Prophesying as Officers have then surely it 's given to them for use Mr. Stillingfleet in his Book before mentioned p. 249. saith first that it was so in the Church-meetings of the Jews these are his words that any one amongst the Jews who enjoyed any repute for Religion or knowledge of the Law was allowed a free liberty of speaking for the instruction of the People as we see saith he in Christ and his Apostles Act. 13.15 though they were no Officers And secondly he confesseth at large that it was so in the Churches in the primitive times that such did Preach c. The Truth is there is not one president of any credit for some hundred of years of any complaint made against this practice or use as unlawful irregular or as an usurpation of or intrusion upon the Ministers office nor was there any decree in the Church of God in those dayes for the prohibiting of it And it 's very clear by all the places before that every particular Congregation did order every thing about this matter themselves and none else since the Apostles dayes did intermedle with the ordering thereof Now how the prohibiting of the brethrens improving their Tallents in this case robbing of the Churches of that profit Christ intended them by bestowing such gifts will be answered at the last day can hardly be resolved to the Comfort of such who shall be active in it That these Churches or Congregations usually met together for the performance of these and other things when and where they pleased Mr. Vines of the Sacrament p. 194. agrees that these Churches have power so to do and as often as they agreed so to do without any prescribed Rules in the Apostles times for either time or place except on the Lords day and that these Churches practised according to this liberty for some ages we think none can deny since the Scriptures every where clear it where the meeting of Christian Churches is spoken of sometimes in Schools sometimes in Houses c. as the Churches pleased and was most convenient for them and one Church was no rule in this to another nor were any places or times set down as Rules for more than one Congregation to walk by unlesse they did voluntarily approve of what another did and so do the same Thus it was after the Apostles dayes as the Magdeburgh Divines say Cent. 1. l. 2. Cap. 6. Raynolds Conference with Hart c 8. p. 491. Raynolds saith Christians may sing the song of the Lord in all places now no ground unholy every house Sion and every faithfull Company yea every faithfull body a temple to serve God in Col. 492 493. That no certain places or hours were prescribed or enjoyned in the Churches but each Church did herein as was most convenient It 's true we find that after some time They for conveniency of meeting built some places used others formerly built for the commemorations of some Persons or things as Ecclesiastical History testifies And when the Arian Bishops had prevailed with the Emperor to shut up those places from other Christians these met in private places and built them new ones and there met by themselves yet were not these blamed in those days for these meetings though not in their publick places nor any punishment awarded for them No not by these cruel Arian Emperors In those days nothing but the Churches meeting in any place did consecrate that place and Worship was equally accepted in a House as in a publick Temple in one place as in another at one time of the Day as another That in these Congregations Societies or particular Churches and not elsewhere for some ages together from the Apostles downward Offendors scandalous sinners wicked persons c. being members of the Congregations were admonished Publickly and in case of obstinacy or notorious fact Mr. Vines upon the Sacrment p. 166 ●95 say That it was the power of a Church of Christian as such to prevent scandals cast out of the Church by the consent of the whole Congregation whereof he was a member that is The whole Society Ministers and brethren met together for that work And by them again to be received in again upon repentance And that the judgement of all in this Case lay wholly and only in this Church as such and all this by Divine Right The Church of Corinth which was but one Congregation who met in one place toge●●er to partake of Ordinances as before is proved ●ad this power 1 Cor. 5. where the Apostle blames ●he whole Church for not casting out the wicked ●erson ver 2. charging them to meet and doe it 〈◊〉 the name or power of our Lord Jesus ver 4 5. ●nd gave them to know or put them in mind ●hat it was their power and duty to doe it ver ● 2. do not ye judge them that are within saith ●e is it not your duty and power to judge them ●hat are within your Church is it not your practice 〈◊〉 to doe That this authority of theirs in this ●atter carries the force of his argument is plain ●●om his conclusion ver 13. Therefore put away c. he would not have made their bare judgement ●hat such a power resided amongst them or that ●hey practised such a thing his premises for such a ●ositive conclusion had not the right of judging ●nd casting out been in them according to Christs ●hind in that of Matth. 18. Tell the Church c. Bishop Jewel was of the same mind from this Text ●ecause such a Church only who can easily meet 〈◊〉 one place as a Church not the general Church in ●ne sence or another is capable to hear what is told ●hem c. See his words before set down at large ●nd the same Apostle writes to this Church again ●s a Church to receive the same person in again he ●aving manifested great repentance And to this he ●erswades them by several arguments First That the former Censure of many was suf●icient unto him 2ly Lest he should be overwhelmed with sor●ow and Thirdly Because of Satans device and design which was to destroy by that which was appointed ●f God to heal Therefore the Apostle beseecheth them to receive him in again 2 Cor. 2.6 7 8 1● which argues strongly that their power lay in thi● also as in casting him out So he wrote to the Gal●thians to cut off such who troubled them with fals●

themselves the name of the Church as invested with authority to make Laws to impose upon others in these Church matters For if a fourth Church on Earth distinct from the three descriptions above be not found and proved to be vested with this power and capable to execute it according to Christs mind none of these three did ever execute any such Power the two first never made Laws since they grew to big to meet in one place the third never made any to be binding or observed further than in and by the same Congregation or Society where they were made and by whom they were agreed to It is true we find That other Churches liking the Rules of some one Church did imitate them and agree of the same in their Churches also as Socrat. ●n his Eccles Hist lib. 5. cap. 21. p. 351. c. affirms That in those dayes there were diversities of Observations and Rites in several Churches without any forcing of any but every Church as it seemed good to them and that such as liked those Rites did commend them to their Posterity for Laws And Mr. Thorndike in his Book called the true way of composing differences pag. 26 27. saith That if a part of a Church speaking there of a National Church as men tearm it shall give Law to the whole such part that so doth for so doing are Schismatick If therefore any particular Church being but a part of the whole in his sence should make Rules for the whole or if it be said that the Convocation or Synod is such a Church who have this Power to make Laws for the whole these also are but a part of the Church in Mr. Thorndikes sence and but a little part too If these therefore shall give Laws to the whole then hear what Thorndike saith If yet they say This is the whole Church in their Representative Answer first cannot justly call themselves the Representative of the whole for they were neither chosen nor sent by the whole nor did the whole ever intrust them with any such Power Nor were they chosen sent and intrusted by the particular Churches of the whole without which in any rational way they cannot be supposed to be the whole Church in her Representative no nor the Church of England in her Representative if not so sent chosen and intrusted by the particular Churches thereof as above nor will they we presume challenge any authority from Christ immediately derived upon their persons to be the Churches Representative and to make Laws for them But Secondly If it should be granted though against all reason that they do indeed represent the Church of England yet then it must be proved by the Word of God or very good authority that any such Representative was called the Church and so accounted and hath such power to make Laws for many Churches or Congregations by Divine-right and to whose Laws those Churches were bound to give obedience for Conscience sake If that in Acts 15. be urged it seems to be altogether impertinent unlesse they will make the Apostles and whether all or some only we cannot determine the Elders of the Church in Jerusalem and all the brethren of that Church a Convocation or Synod And such another we can hardly find now adayes that this was so and no other is apparent from the very Text for all these met together about the matter and it is said verse 22. It pleased the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men of their own Company c. cheif men amongst the brethren and in the next verses we find That the Apostles Elders and Brethren wrote about the matter and say It seems good to us being assembled together with one accord to send c. here the brethren were as much the Convocation as the Elders But then also consider the causes why the Church at Antioch sent to this Church at Jerusalem about this matter and why they in Jerusalem write their mind again to them they are two The first may be Supposed that is because there were some of the Apostles the second is Expressed that is because those men who came to Antioch and preached the Circumcision there pretended that they came from Jerusalem from the Apostles and whole Church there with this Doctrine therefore was there great reason why they should apply themselves to them to be resolved of the truth in that matter for about the same question Paul and Barnabas had before disputed at Antioch and also mark the matter they write about it hath a suitableness to that which they had desired to be resolved in The epistle tells them that they who wrote the Epistle had given no such commands to those men to teach such things ver 24. And further That it seemed good to the Holy Ghost to lay no greater burthen upon them than such necessary things therein mentioned which things were necessary to be abstained from because the use of them would then have offended and fornication was sin in it self and by the way note here are no new things required to be done of those but somewhat they should forbear to do because by doing it they may offend such who could not judge it to be lawfully done and sin Here now is not the least footsteps for such a Synod as the Convocation our Council of Bishops or Ministers as a Church to make lawes which shall be binding to any more than themselves who agree to them For the Church at Jerusalem had such a thing fallen out with them as did at Antioch That some had come from Paul and Barnabas and that Church with false Doctrine unto them might as well have written to them at Antioch to have been resolved And Paul and Barnabas and the Elders and Brethren of that Church of Antioch might have written an Answer to them with equall authority Nay but is there ground to give like credit or subjection to a Rule of any Convocation or Synod now as there was to the Apostles in those days Surely No But if it be said that they are the Churches Representative and their Lawes are the Lawes of the Church by humane authority only then it will be necessary to prove That such who take upon them to make Churches and Convey power to them by their Lawes have such a power delegated to them from Jesus Christ so to do Otherwise their Lawes will not creat such a Church with authority in these cases and to whose Laws obedience is to be expected for Conscience sake The old Rule must be remembered None can give to another that he hath not in himself But if it be said that the Governours of the Churches of a Nation or Kingdome with the Magistrates authority have power to determine of matters indifferent in their owne nature about the worship of God and in Church Government and by Law to impose them upon the particular Churches of that Nation For Answer to this first we think it a

Church and if not then it may be believed that they will say be it far from us to determine in such cases for others or to desire our determinations should be imposed upon others And then we are confident the Magistrate will be farther from Challenging any right to determine of those things nor will he undertake to impose by Law upon the Churches but it hath been common amongst Church men to deal subtilly in these things first themselves determine and set down Rules in these cases and tender them to the Magistrate to confirm by Laws as those things which are necessary to the ends aforesaid And then when they are established by Law and they themselves cannot justifie many or any of them to be necessary or any way answering the ends proposed They presently lay the charge upon the Magistrates and say it s commanded and we must obey being by virtue of his Law bound in Conscience so to do Certainly let us not deceive our selves God is not mocked Christ hath pronounced a wo against them by whom offences come The excuse of the Magistrates commanding it will not serve their turn when our Lord comes to judge in Righteousness Yet there are some who are highly offended against such who walk after the Rules herein before set down as near as they can and fear to erre from it as that way of worship and managing of Church affairs which they judge according to Gods word to be Christ's mind they should walk by and as that in which the Churches in the Primitive and best ages walked and which also hath been by many learned and Godly men in all ages since held to be the true way And these offended ones generally conclude against such that they are Separatists from the Church Schismaticks Factious c. for so doing the old Callumnies cast upon the Apostles and other Saints in former ages and by Papists upon Protestants in latter ages and their way called Heresie and evil spoken of as Act. 24 c. 25. c. 28. Though in Truth these offended ones understand not in this case what they say or whereof they affirm either it is pure ignorance in such not understanding what a Church is from which properly a Separation may be said to be made or in which a man may be said to be guilty of making a Schisme or what Act it is that may properly be called a separation from or constitute a man a Schismatick in such a Church or else ignorance that is wilful arising from interest that blinds them These do just as the Presbyterian Ministers once said in Smect p. 58. 59. take it in their own words These do as the Papists dazle the Eyes and astonish the senses of poor People with the Glorious name of the Church c. This is the Gorgons-Head as Doctor White said which inchanted them they call say they for obedience to the Church c. no mention of God and Scripture If we say these Divines there question what is meant by the Church of England they storm as he that holdeth by an unjust Tytle will not suffer the Tytle to be questioned they say these men sometimes make the Convocation the Church excluding both Presbiters and people as not worthy to be reckoned of the Church sometimes the bounds of the Kingdome is the Church If so say they why not England Scotland and Ireland one Church being under one Monarch Thus they contend and know not upon what foundation but having heard of the name of the Church and found Ordinances and Formes of worship amongst them and Discipline used according to humane Laws and Constitutions here they go and never so much as enquire or put it to the question whether they are agreeable to Scripture or Rules prescribed by God And then they take it for granted presently that such who do not in these matters as they do are Separatists and Schismaticks and deserve punishment as rashly as the two Disciples did in another case Luke 9. who would have fire from heaven upon the Samaritanes but they knew not what Spirit they were of as Christ told them they never considered upon what ground they desired such a thing whether it were Christ mind or not that it should be so And as Augustine quoted by Mr. Stillingfleet in his aforesaid Book p. 61.62 complained of men in his dayes about Ceremonies who contended highly yet had no ground for it but this as his words are because it had been the custom of their Country or because they have found them in another Church c. they think that nothing is right and Lawful but what they do themselves And as Bishop Jewel in his Reply before cited said of many Hereticks That they had nothing to plead but that they were born lived in and received of their Fathers what they did practise upon some such poor grounds as these doth the ignorance of men work thus to abuse their brethren And that it may so appear Let such persons be perswaded to weigh the premises well in the fear of God and take these conclusions with him First that such who continue in the Faith of our Lord Jesus Christ and thus hold Union with the Head of the Church according to John 15.4 5. continue in and do not separate from the Catholick Church the body of our Lord Jesus Christ the first Church in this discourse described for there is no other Union between the members of this Church as such but this their being by one Faith united to one Head and from thence animated by one Spirit and such who so continue cannot be called Schismaticks in this Church To this Doctor Carleton agrees in his aforesaid Book p. 6 7 8 9 10. c. 2dly That such who continue to make a profession of the Faith of our Lord Jesus and do not openly deny him in their works do still abide in the visible body of Jesus Christ The Church 2dly above described and cannot be said to separate from this Church or be guilty of Schisme here for this profession is the only thing wherein the unity of the whole visible Church lyeth And thus Mr. Stillingfleet in his Book called a Rational Account c. p. 331. saith That there is no separation from the whole Church but in such things wherein the unity of the whole lyeth For separation saith he is a violation of some union 3dly That such who continue to walk in and with any visible Company Congregation or particular Church on earth holding the true faith in the orderly participation of Ordinances in man-as the Scripture directs and in subjection to Christs Lawes given to be executed therein as such a Church the Church 3dly above described he cannot be said to separate from or be guilty of schisme in this Church Now then if these offended ones will justifie their charge against such who do not in Church affaires as they do It is necessary they prove such whom they thus accuse guilty either of infidelity

never prescribed any such Rules because they never met in the whole or in their Representative to consult about or agree upon any such Rules for the whole Nor can any who have made such Rules pretend themselves upon any Divine or Rational grounds to be the Church of England and intrusted from above with any such Power to make such Rules for the Churches Practice nor are Men bound to use any thing in Gods Worship or about it not commanded by God himself so long as they suspect such things in themselves or as they are circumstanciated to be unlawful of which every Man must be his own Judge for his own Practice because it doth so highly concern him as he would please God Yet we shall add this further by way of Answer First It is no true Rule therefore to Practise those things which the generality of a Nation do barely because they do so For we think few will deny that the most go the broad way the wrong way love not follow not Christs Laws and Rules Secondly That the generality of the Church of England in truth do not agree to those Rules and Practices in the Church but would rather be glad that they were altered and Reformed if the Magistrate would please to permit it which we will make out thus First it may be taken for granted we judge That the greater number of People are not so studious as to inform themselves of the true way of Ordering of Church-Affairs and making of Ministers but take all upon trust in these matters with the greatest implicit faith that can be what ever their Governors do in these Cases they subscribe to and practise do herein as others do or as they are enjoyned to do or as their Worldly Interest leads them That there are others who come not near any Churches or Worship at all who care for none of these things are practical Atheists and of these not a few Some again and that a considerable Number too who are professedly against all our ways as Papists and others who pretend to be above all Ordinances and External Rules in these Matters So that when all these are set apart as being not fit to give Sentence in the matter nor their practice of any consideration in this case The number of Knowing Serious Consciencious and Judicious Christians whose Sentence only is worthy regard in this business in the Church of England will be but few Secondly Of these few the Major part consent not in heart at least it is not their Judgment that those prescribed Rules in the Church of England are so Decent Lawful Useful to Edification or tend to Peace as is pretended as many though they Actually submit to them have openly declared And there are no doubt many more might they speak freely and not be Offenders would testifie this A considerable number also of these demonstrate their dissent by their Sufferings for their Non-conformity to them and practising after another Rule in these things If then the Major part of the Knowing Sober Judicious and Consciencious Christians in England dissent How can they say The Church of England prescribes or Commands this or that Or have agreed on or determined of this or that Or that the generality of the Church agree to this or that for an Agreement must be a judicious Act of the mind to say That the Rabble of Ignorant Careless and notoriously scandalous Persons agree to it love it embrace it and contend highly for it will help little to commend the Judgment of the Church or make her Laws valid And if this be so Then Thirdly In what sence or by what Rule of Reason can one part of the Christians in England rather be called Schismaticks and Separatists for not agreeing with the other in these things than the other part for not agreeing with the first except at least it be in things apparently and undoubtedly Lawful and tending to Edification and so accounted by all that Offence cannot be given It can be no way resolved but thus That those who are uppermost in outward Power whether one party or other will have it so We shall therefore end with the words of Tertul. in his Apol. Chap. 39. p. 142 143. English Translation We Offend no body we Injure no body When any Vertuous or Godly People are associated when any Pious or Chast Persons Assemble together their Vnion should not be called a Faction but a Lawful Society FINIS