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exposition_n of_o the_o gloss_n before_o rehearse_v teach_v and_o declare_v what_o a_o secular_a prince_n or_o judge_n ought_v to_o do_v 10_o but_o to_o the_o end_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 4._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 166._o num_fw-la 4._o that_o the_o reader_n may_v the_o better_o understand_v this_o matter_n and_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o these_o two_o gloss_n it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v first_o that_o the_o gloss_n of_o the_o law_n be_v common_o very_o brief_a and_o therefore_o many_o time_n obscure_a be_v to_o be_v understand_v according_a to_o the_o drift_n sense_n and_o circumstance_n not_o only_o of_o the_o particular_a canon_n gloss_v but_o also_o of_o other_o canon_n and_o gloss_n in_o other_o part_n and_o place_n of_o the_o law_n 11_o true_a it_o be_v that_o when_o the_o gloss_n or_o exposition_n of_o the_o law_n be_v obscure_a as_o be_v common_o brief_a although_o not_o so_o brief_a and_o for_o this_o respect_v not_o so_o obscure_a as_o the_o law_n 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opinion_n for_o otherwise_o we_o shall_v make_v the_o sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o gloss_n to_o be_v more_o obscure_a and_o intricate_a then_o plain_a and_o manifest_a as_o for_o example_n if_o the_o same_o glosser_n or_o expositour_n give_v two_o diverse_a exposition_n of_o the_o same_o canon_n whereof_o the_o one_o suppose_v the_o pope_n to_o have_v either_o direct_a or_o indirect_a dominion_n in_o temporal_n and_o to_o have_v authority_n either_o direct_o or_o indirect_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n and_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o the_o other_o gloss_n suppose_v that_o he_o have_v no_o such_o dominion_n or_o authority_n in_o temporal_n for_o the_o understanding_n of_o that_o gloss_n which_o suppose_v the_o pope_n to_o have_v such_o a_o dominion_n or_o authority_n in_o temporal_n we_o must_v not_o fly_v to_o that_o other_o gloss_n which_o suppose_v that_o he_o have_v no_o such_o dominion_n or_o authority_n 5._o authority_n page_n 167._o num_fw-la 5._o 12_o second_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n the_o penalty_n impose_v in_o the_o two_o decree_n here_o gloss_v be_v of_o different_a nature_n and_o quality_n the_o one_o concern_v only_o the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n which_o be_v express_o ordain_v in_o diverse_a place_n of_o the_o law_n and_o the_o other_o touch_v only_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o death_n or_o mutilation_n which_o be_v not_o where_o ordain_v or_o permit_v but_o express_o forbid_v to_o all_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n 13_o but_o first_o although_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o penalty_n impose_v in_o these_o two_o canon_n be_v of_o different_a nature_n and_o quality_n in_o particular_a for_o that_o the_o one_o ordain_v a_o civil_a punishment_n to_o wit_n the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n the_o other_o a_o criminal_a penalty_n to_o wit_n the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o mutilation_n and_o also_o death_n yet_o both_o of_o they_o be_v as_o i_o say_v before_o of_o the_o
fa._n lessius_fw-la his_fw-la first_o argument_n which_o he_o produce_v without_o any_o restriction_n or_o limitation_n to_o be_v restrain_v and_o limit_v only_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o general_a counsel_n which_o be_v make_v for_o the_o direction_n and_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o do_v not_o only_o concern_v particular_a fact_n licence_n dispensation_n and_o judicial_a sentence_n concern_v some_o particular_a country_n or_o person_n beside_o that_o i_o have_v declare_v above_o in_o what_o sense_n that_o proposition_n be_v true_a to_o wit_n that_o such_o decree_n must_v be_v make_v by_o true_a ecclesiastical_a and_o not_o civil_a authority_n and_o also_o that_o they_o must_v be_v such_o decree_n and_o sentence_n wherein_o it_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v i_o have_v also_o here_o produce_v a_o decree_n of_o pope_n sixtus_n the_o four_o concern_v the_o feast_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n conception_n which_o be_v make_v for_o the_o direction_n and_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o yet_o the_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o that_o decree_n be_v uncertain_a as_o i_o prove_v above_o and_o will_v more_o clear_o confirm_v beneath_o and_o evident_o show_v how_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o answer_v this_o decree_n be_v force_v to_o forsake_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o most_o learn_a divine_n of_o his_o own_o society_n and_o also_o i_o may_v add_v hereunto_o the_o decree_n of_o pope_n touch_v the_o canonisation_n of_o saint_n the_o ground_n and_o foundation_n whereof_o do_v not_o appertain_v to_o faith_n see_v that_o as_o i_o show_v before_o out_o of_o canus_n that_o it_o be_v not_o heretical_a to_o affirm_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v in_o the_o canonisation_n of_o saint_n and_o yet_o these_o decree_n be_v make_v for_o the_o direction_n and_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o as_o concern_v the_o decree_n or_o rather_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n touch_v the_o deposition_n of_o temporal_a landlord_n or_o magistrate_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o i_o make_v no_o inference_n or_o any_o mention_n at_o all_o thereof_o in_o any_o one_o of_o my_o three_o instance_n or_o example_n as_o this_o man_n most_o shameful_o affirm_v 43_o yet_o if_o he_o will_v needs_o have_v i_o to_o apply_v this_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o pope_n decree_n and_o sentence_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o general_a counsel_n and_o in_o particular_a to_o the_o often_o name_v act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n i_o do_v confident_o affirm_v that_o whensoever_o it_o be_v uncertain_a and_o disputable_a among_o learned_a catholic_n whether_o a_o general_a council_n have_v authority_n to_o make_v this_o or_o that_o decree_n by_o her_o spiritual_a power_n without_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o temporal_a prince_n as_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n wherein_o temporal_a 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this_o inference_n be_v ridiculous_a absurd_a improbable_a and_o not_o to_o the_o purpose_n and_o that_o hereby_o we_o may_v infer_v quidlibet_fw-la ex_fw-la quolibet_fw-la he_o show_v himself_o as_o the_o plain_a truth_n be_v to_o have_v small_a skill_n in_o theological_a learning_n 44_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n say_v he_o finem_fw-la he_o pag._n 190_o nu_fw-la 12._o ad_fw-la finem_fw-la widdrington_n be_v to_o understand_v further_o concern_v this_o point_n that_o whereas_o he_o demand_v whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o most_o grievous_a error_n to_o grant_v such_o licence_n whereupon_o most_o grievous_a sacrilege_n may_v follow_v to_o wit_n the_o invalid_a administration_n of_o sacrament_n i_o answer_v that_o the_o church_n both_o do_v and_o may_v minister_v sacrament_n in_o case_n of_o necessity_n upon_o a_o propable_a opinion_n without_o any_o danger_n of_o formal_a sacrilege_n or_o sin_n as_o when_o a_o child_n be_v baptize_v in_o one_o of_o his_o foot_n or_o hand_n before_o he_o be_v full_o bear_v into_o the_o world_n or_o when_o the_o sacrament_n of_o extreme_a unction_n be_v give_v to_o one_o of_o who_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a whether_o he_o be_v full_o dead_a in_o these_o case_n i_o say_v and_o diverse_a other_o such_o the_o church_n do_v administer_v sacrament_n with_o some_o danger_n of_o invaliditie_n and_o yet_o without_o danger_n of_o formal_a sacrilege_n in_o respect_n of_o the_o great_a hope_n of_o benefit_n which_o may_v follow_v to_o the_o soul_n of_o those_o to_o who_o they_o be_v administer_v and_o i_o very_o think_v that_o there_o be_v never_o any_o catholic_a so_o impious_a hitherto_o as_o to_o condemn_v the_o same_o as_o sacrilegious_a either_o in_o the_o most_o famous_a and_o holy_a father_n s._n gregory_n the_o pope_n or_o in_o any_o other_o of_o his_o successor_n for_o albeit_o some_o learned_a man_n have_v indeed_o deny_v that_o they_o have_v authority_n to_o give_v such_o licence_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o so_o inconsiderate_a as_o either_o to_o condemn_v they_o of_o most_o grievous_a or_o sacrilegious_a error_n or_o to_o deny_v that_o the_o other_o opinion_n be_v probable_a see_v that_o it_o have_v be_v practise_v so_o long_o since_o by_o s._n gregory_n and_o approve_a not_o only_o by_o so_o many_o most_o famous_a and_o learned_a doctor_n but_o also_o by_o the_o council_n of_o florence_n which_o treat_v of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n and_o have_v say_v that_o the_o bishop_n be_v the_o ordinary_a minister_n thereof_o add_v afterward_o legitur_fw-la tamen_fw-la etc._n etc._n yet_o it_o be_v read_v that_o a_o simple_a priest_n have_v administer_v it_o by_o the_o dispensation_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a with_o chrism_n or_o holy_a oil_n make_v by_o a_o bishop_n 45_o so_o say_v the_o council_n give_v to_o understand_v that_o although_o a_o bishop_n be_v the_o ordinary_a minister_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n yet_o a_o priest_n may_v be_v the_o extraordinary_a minister_n of_o it_o by_o dispensation_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a and_o this_o i_o hope_v may_v suffice_v to_o free_a as_o well_o s._n gregory_n as_o other_o pope_n his_o successor_n from_o all_o error_n and_o much_o more_o all_o danger_n of_o sacrilege_n in_o this_o point_n beside_o that_o the_o grant_n of_o such_o licence_n be_v mere_a matter_n of_o fact_n and_o concern_v only_o particular_a person_n and_o country_n can_v not_o any_o way_n prejudice_n our_o cause_n albeit_o they_o be_v erroneous_a or_o sacrilegious_a see_v that_o as_o i_o have_v sufficient_o signify_v before_o the_o question_n betwixt_o he_o and_o we_o for_o the_o present_a be_v only_o about_o a_o general_a decree_n of_o a_o general_n council_n ordain_v for_o the_o special_a good_a and_o benefit_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n wherein_o we_o do_v indeed_o acknowledge_v the_o infallible_a assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n though_o not_o in_o every_o particular_a fact_n of_o a_o pope_n thus_o much_o for_o his_o first_o instance_n 45_o but_o still_o this_o man_n discover_v either_o his_o gross_a ignorance_n or_o his_o accustom_a fraud_n for_o first_o whereas_o i_o speak_v only_o of_o error_n of_o material_a sacrilege_n and_o of_o invalid_a administration_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n this_o man_n repli_v of_o sin_n of_o formal_a sacrilege_n and_o of_o unlawful_a administration_n of_o sacrament_n for_o although_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o a_o man_n may_v lawful_o and_o without_o sin_n or_o formal_a sacrilege_n minister_v sacrament_n in_o case_n of_o necessity_n upon_o a_o probable_a opinion_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o certain_a that_o in_o such_o case_n the_o sacrament_n be_v minister_v with_o effect_n and_o without_o error_n or_o material_a sacrilege_n for_o truth_n falsehood_n and_o error_n have_v their_o denomination_n from_o the_o effect_n or_o thing_n itself_o and_o probable_a ignorance_n and_o error_n do_v make_v the_o act_n lawful_a though_o not_o valid_a and_o with_o effect_n 46_o second_o there_o be_v a_o great_a disparity_n betwixt_o
fitzherbert_n turn_v and_o wind_v in_o such_o a_o run_a and_o fraudulent_a manner_n that_o his_o reader_n can_v well_o perceive_v of_o what_o imputation_n he_o mean_v when_o he_o say_v that_o if_o the_o second_o breve_fw-la be_v not_o sufficient_a to_o clear_v his_o holiness_n of_o this_o imputation_n yet_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la must_v needs_o be_v abundant_o sufficient_a to_o do_v it_o for_o that_o which_o i_o say_v only_o be_v that_o his_o holiness_n by_o all_o likelihood_n be_v not_o true_o inform_v by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o his_o other_o divine_n of_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o some_o clause_n of_o the_o oath_n against_o which_o you_o have_v see_v with_o what_o fraud_n and_o falsity_n my_o ignorant_a adversary_n have_v wrangle_v and_o iangle_v as_o though_o i_o have_v tax_v his_o holiness_n for_o publish_v his_o first_o breve_fw-la before_o he_o have_v see_v or_o mature_o weigh_v and_o ponder_v the_o oath_n itself_o and_o all_o the_o clause_n thereof_o and_o without_o grave_n and_o long_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v in_o his_o breve_fw-la which_o how_o untrue_a this_o imputation_n be_v wherewith_o he_o charge_v i_o i_o have_v already_o show_v now_o this_o silly_a man_n labour_v to_o prove_v as_o also_o he_o insinuate_v before_o that_o because_o his_o holiness_n do_v mature_o weigh_v and_o ponder_v the_o oath_n and_o every_o clause_n thereof_o before_o he_o send_v hither_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la and_o do_v sufficient_o inform_v himself_o of_o all_o circumstance_n necessary_a to_o the_o publication_n of_o his_o apostolical_a and_o judicial_a sentence_n as_o well_o concern_v the_o forbid_v of_o the_o oath_n by_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la as_o also_o concern_v the_o punish_n of_o such_o priest_n that_o shall_v take_v or_o defend_v the_o oath_n to_o be_v lawful_a by_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la send_v hither_o two_o year_n after_o which_o he_o can_v not_o say_v my_o adversary_n lawful_o do_v without_o due_a 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bellarmine_n and_o of_o all_o other_o learned_a divine_n to_o say_v that_o certain_a and_o infallible_a knowledge_n of_o truth_n be_v in_o the_o pope_n necessary_o annex_v to_o his_o long_a grave_a mature_a and_o diligent_a consideration_n and_o discussion_n of_o any_o doctrine_n or_o matter_n unless_o the_o doctrine_n and_o matter_n be_v of_o such_o a_o nature_n and_o the_o discussion_n thereof_o be_v do_v with_o such_o circumstance_n and_o in_o such_o a_o manner_n as_o christ_n have_v promise_v he_o his_o infallible_a assistance_n which_o even_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n christ_n have_v not_o promise_v he_o in_o such_o decree_n or_o definition_n which_o be_v not_o direct_v and_o do_v not_o appertain_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n as_o be_v these_o his_o breve_n forbid_v the_o oath_n whereof_o the_o two_o first_o be_v only_o direct_v to_o english_a catholic_n and_o the_o three_o only_a to_o mr._n birket_n than_o archpriest_n for_o in_o custom_n law_n or_o decree_n which_o be_v not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o be_v refer_v to_o private_a person_n or_o church_n not_o only_o the_o pope_n but_o also_o the_o church_n may_v err_v and_o be_v deceive_v through_o ignorance_n i_o say_v say_v canus_n not_o only_o in_o her_o judgement_n of_o fact_n 3._o canus_n lib._n 5._o q._n 5._o conel_n 3._o or_o thing_n do_v as_o whether_o such_o a_o one_o commit_v such_o a_o sin_n have_v lose_v his_o faculty_n aught_o to_o be_v censure_v and_o such_o like_a but_o also_o in_o her_o private_a precept_n and_o law_n themselves_o and_o the_o true_a and_o proper_a reason_n hereof_o he_o bring_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o pope_n innocent_a the_o three_o which_o i_o relate_v also_o above_o 11._o above_o chap._n 13._o nu_fw-la 11._o for_o that_o albeit_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n be_v always_o ground_v upon_o truth_n which_o neither_o deceive_v nor_o be_v deceive_v yet_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n be_v now_o and_o then_o lead_v by_o opinion_n which_o oftentimes_o do_v deceive_v and_o be_v deceive_v etc._n etc._n 33_o whereupon_o the_o reader_n may_v most_o clear_o perceive_v how_o unlearned_o my_o ignorant_a adversary_n do_v infer_v that_o because_o his_o holiness_n have_v a_o long_a grave_a and_o mature_a deliberation_n and_o consultation_n concern_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o oath_n and_o of_o every_o clause_n thereof_o and_o do_v send_v hither_o his_o three_o breve_fw-la for_o punish_v those_o priest_n that_o shall_v take_v or_o defend_v the_o same_o therefore_o he_o can_v not_o be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o every_o clause_n thereof_o but_o must_v certain_o and_o infallible_o know_v that_o many_o thing_n be_v therein_o contain_v flat_a contrary_n to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n as_o he_o by_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la have_v declare_v as_o though_o his_o sentence_n and_o judgement_n in_o decree_n which_o be_v direct_v only_o to_o private_a person_n or_o church_n shall_v be_v always_o ground_v upon_o truth_n which_o neither_o can_v deceive_v nor_o be_v deceive_v and_o that_o he_o can_v err_v through_o ignorance_n or_o be_v lead_v by_o opinion_n which_o oftentimes_o do_v deceive_v &_o be_v deceive_v in_o his_o private_a law_n &_o decree_n which_o be_v not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o do_v belong_v to_o private_a man_n bishop_n or_o church_n and_o that_o therefore_o those_o priest_n who_o he_o bind_v or_o punish_v by_o his_o censure_n and_o sentence_n may_v not_o be_v free_a before_o god_n and_o those_o other_o priest_n who_o he_o do_v not_o censure_n may_v not_o deserve_v punishment_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n according_a to_o that_o which_o pope_n innocent_a in_o the_o end_n of_o his_o aforesaid_a reason_n do_v affirm_v 34_o but_o those_o word_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n often_o repeat_v that_o his_o holiness_n after_o so_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n have_v concern_v all_o thing_n contain_v in_o his_o first_o breve_fw-la among_o which_o the_o principal_a be_v that_o many_o thing_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o oath_n which_o be_v manifest_o repugnant_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n be_v sufficient_o inform_v of_o the_o whole_a matter_n be_v very_o equivocal_a and_o may_v have_v a_o double_a sense_n for_o first_o these_o word_n may_v signify_v that_o his_o holiness_n after_o so_o long_a and_o grave_a deliberation_n be_v sufficient_o inform_v to_o excuse_v he_o from_o sin_n for_o do_v what_o he_o do_v and_o for_o send_v hither_o his_o breve_n to_o forbid_v the_o oath_n and_o to_o punish_v those_o priest_n that_o shall_v take_v the_o oath_n or_o teach_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a and_o with_o this_o point_n for_o that_o it_o little_o import_v our_o present_a question_n whether_o the_o oath_n not_o only_o in_o the_o pope_n opinion_n and_o conscience_n but_o also_o real_o true_o and_o certain_o contain_v in_o it_o many_o thing_n flat_o contrary_a to_o faith_n and_o salvation_n or_o no_o and_o for_o that_o it_o be_v a_o thing_n secret_a and_o unknown_a to_o i_o i_o will_v not_o inter_v meddle_v but_o leave_v it_o to_o the_o conscience_n of_o his_o holiness_n and_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n who_o search_v the_o heart_n and_o reins_n of_o man_n yet_o this_o i_o dare_v bold_o say_v that_o in_o my_o judgement_n his_o holiness_n may_v have_v be_v more_o sufficient_o inform_v of_o the_o whole_a matter_n if_o he_o have_v consult_v this_o question_n concern_v the_o certainty_n of_o his_o authority_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o whether_o his_o spiritual_a supremacy_n or_o any_o other_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n or_o manner_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n be_v deny_v in_o the_o oath_n not_o only_o with_o his_o own_o divine_n who_o be_v know_v to_o maintain_v with_o such_o violence_n both_o his_o authority_n in_o temporal_n over_o temporal_a prince_n which_o be_v the_o principal_a mark_n at_o which_o the_o oath_n do_v aim_v and_o his_o spiritual_a authority_n
to_o inflict_v spiritual_a punishment_n have_v also_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n and_o not_o only_o to_o command_v or_o enjoin_v but_o also_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n or_o to_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o constraint_n for_o although_o temporal_n be_v ordain_v to_o spiritual_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o i_o have_v often_o declare_v and_o for_o that_o cause_n may_v be_v call_v accessary_a to_o spiritual_n yet_o as_o accessary_a be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n they_o be_v neither_o accessary_n to_o spiritual_n for_o that_o spiritual_a good_a may_v in_o any_o man_n be_v very_o well_o without_o they_o neither_o be_v the_o pope_n pretend_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporall_n in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a and_o to_o punish_v with_o temporal_a punishment_n by_o way_n of_o constraint_n accessary_a or_o consequent_a to_o his_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o spiritual_n or_o to_o punish_v with_o spiritual_a punishment_n or_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n 61_o and_o by_o this_o be_v easy_o answer_v that_o which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n say_v in_o the_o next_o paragraph_n concern_v private_a man_n and_o if_o we_o consider_v say_v he_o 3â—_n he_o nu._n 14._o p._n 3â—_n also_o widdrington_n argument_n even_o in_o particular_a and_o private_a man_n it_o may_v have_v a_o very_a true_a sense_n and_o will_v fortify_v i_o for_o whosoever_o be_v lord_n of_o any_o horse_n be_v lord_n also_o of_o the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n because_o according_a to_o widdrington_n supposition_n they_o be_v accessary_a of_o the_o say_a horse_n and_o therefore_o according_a to_o my_o axiom_n do_v follow_v their_o principal_n and_o the_o same_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v in_o this_o our_o case_n see_v that_o the_o pope_n do_v not_o otherwise_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a good_n then_o the_o same_o do_v belong_v to_o particular_a man_n who_o he_o have_v occasion_n to_o chastise_v for_o the_o benefit_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o the_o public_a good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o when_o he_o punish_v any_o prince_n temporal_o he_o neither_o do_v nor_o can_v do_v it_o in_o other_o man_n good_n but_o only_o in_o those_o good_n or_o state_n which_o belong_v to_o that_o prince_n as_o a_o lord_n of_o a_o horse_n dispose_v not_o of_o other_o man_n bridle_n but_o of_o the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o his_o own_o horse_n for_o as_o other_o man_n bridle_n be_v not_o accessary_a of_o that_o horse_n so_o neither_o be_v other_o man_n good_n accessary_a to_o the_o prince_n who_o be_v to_o be_v punish_v but_o such_o good_n or_o state_n only_o as_o belong_v to_o he_o and_o may_v consequent_o be_v dispose_v of_o by_o his_o supreme_a pastor_n when_o he_o and_o the_o public_a good_a of_o the_o church_n shall_v necessary_o require_v it_o so_o as_o you_o see_v how_o well_o widdrington_n argue_v for_o i_o and_o therefore_o the_o probability_n that_o i_o see_v in_o this_o his_o argument_n be_v no_o other_o but_o that_o he_o play_v as_o i_o may_v say_v booty_n with_o i_o and_o help_v under_o hand_n to_o defend_v my_o cause_n thus_o much_o for_o the_o first_o argument_n 62_o but_o first_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o i_o according_a to_o my_o own_o doctrine_n do_v suppose_v that_o bridle_n be_v accessary_a to_o horse_n as_o accessary_a be_v take_v in_o the_o aforesaid_a maxim_n but_o i_o do_v suppose_v and_o that_o true_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n doctrine_n that_o bridle_n be_v accessary_a to_o horse_n for_o that_o they_o be_v make_v and_o ordain_v for_o horse_n in_o which_o sense_n he_o take_v accessory_a in_o that_o maxim_n and_o therefore_o he_o affirm_v that_o corporal_a and_o temporal_a good_n be_v accessary_a to_o the_o spiritual_a good_a of_o the_o soul_n for_o that_o they_o be_v ordain_v and_o refer_v to_o the_o say_v spiritual_a good_a 63_o second_o it_o be_v also_o untrue_a that_o the_o argument_n which_o i_o make_v against_o his_o consequence_n if_o it_o be_v consider_v in_o particular_a and_o private_a man_n can_v have_v a_o very_a true_a sense_n as_o it_o be_v ground_v in_o that_o rule_n or_o maxim_n the_o accessary_n follow_v the_o principal_a and_o that_o it_o do_v fortify_v his_o consequence_n for_o whosoever_o say_v he_o be_v lord_n of_o any_o horse_n be_v lord_n also_o of_o the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n because_o according_a to_o his_o own_o supposition_n and_o not_o i_o they_o be_v the_o accessary_n of_o the_o say_a horse_n observe_v now_o good_a reader_n how_o cunning_o this_o man_n will_v shift_v off_o the_o argument_n or_o instance_n which_o i_o make_v against_o his_o consequence_n and_o delude_v thou_o with_o ambiguous_a word_n for_o what_o can_v any_o man_n imagine_v my_o adversary_n to_o understand_v by_o these_o word_n the_o bridle_n that_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n for_o sure_o no_o man_n can_v be_v so_o simple_a as_o to_o think_v that_o any_o bridle_n can_v be_v say_v to_o belong_v to_o a_o horse_n as_o to_o the_o true_a owner_n thereof_o or_o so_o proper_a to_o a_o horse_n that_o the_o horse_n can_v not_o be_v without_o that_o bridle_n for_o so_o indeed_o it_o will_v very_o well_o follow_v from_o that_o maxim_n that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o that_o horse_n be_v also_o lord_n of_o that_o bridle_n and_o he_o that_o shall_v buy_v that_o horse_n shall_v also_o buy_v that_o bridle_n which_o belong_v to_o that_o horse_n and_o therefore_o either_o it_o must_v be_v say_v that_o such_o a_o bridle_n do_v belong_v to_o such_o a_o horse_n for_o that_o the_o bridlemaker_n do_v make_v it_o serve_v such_o a_o horse_n and_o for_o this_o respect_n it_o can_v not_o be_v true_o say_v that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o that_o horse_n be_v lord_n also_o of_o that_o bridle_n for_o the_o bridlemaker_n and_o not_o he_o who_o be_v owner_n of_o that_o horse_n may_v be_v lord_n and_o owner_n of_o the_o bridle_n or_o else_o for_o that_o such_o a_o bridle_n be_v for_o the_o most_o part_n or_o always_o use_v for_o such_o a_o horse_n neither_o for_o this_o respect_n or_o any_o such_o like_a can_v it_o be_v true_o say_v that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o that_o horse_n be_v consequent_o lord_n of_o that_o bridle_n and_o can_v dispose_v thereof_o because_o that_o bridle_n may_v be_v lend_v for_o the_o use_n of_o that_o horse_n by_o some_o other_o man_n who_o be_v the_o true_a lord_n and_o owner_n of_o that_o bridle_n and_o consequent_o may_v dispose_v thereof_o and_o not_o of_o the_o horse_n 64_o it_o remain_v therefore_o that_o for_o this_o cause_n only_o as_o my_o adversary_n himself_o here_o insinuate_v such_o a_o bridle_n can_v be_v say_v to_o belong_v to_o such_o a_o horse_n for_o that_o the_o same_o man_n who_o be_v the_o true_a lord_n and_o owner_n both_o of_o the_o horse_n and_o bridle_n and_o consequent_o have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o they_o both_o do_v appoint_v that_o bridle_n to_o serve_v that_o horse_n and_o although_o in_o this_o sense_n that_o consequent_a be_v true_a to_o wit_n that_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o any_o horse_n be_v also_o lord_n and_o can_v dispose_v of_o the_o bridle_n which_o belong_v to_o such_o a_o horse_n or_o to_o speak_v more_o proper_o which_o belong_v to_o the_o lord_n of_o such_o a_o horse_n for_o that_o the_o same_o man_n be_v lord_n of_o they_o both_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o true_a by_o virtue_n of_o the_o consequence_n or_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o maxim_n the_o accessary_n follow_v the_o principal_a or_o for_o that_o the_o horse_n be_v the_o principal_a and_o the_o bridle_n the_o accessory_n in_o that_o sense_n as_o principal_a and_o accessory_a aught_o to_o be_v take_v in_o that_o maxim_n for_o than_o it_o must_v also_o follow_v that_o he_o who_o buy_v that_o horse_n and_o consequent_o can_v dispose_v thereof_o as_o be_v the_o true_a owner_n of_o that_o horse_n have_v also_o power_n to_o dispose_v of_o that_o bridle_n for_o that_o the_o accessory_n must_v follow_v the_o principal_a which_o consequence_n be_v false_a but_o the_o consequent_a be_v true_a not_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o maxim_n the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a but_o by_o virtue_n of_o another_o maxim_n which_o be_v that_o he_o who_o be_v the_o true_a lord_n or_o owner_n of_o any_o horse_n bridle_n or_o of_o any_o such_o like_a temporal_a thing_n have_v power_n to_o dispose_v thereof_o 65_o wherefore_o it_o be_v apparent_a that_o my_o aforesaid_a instance_n argument_n or_o consequence_n the_o accessory_n follow_v the_o principal_a therefore_o he_o who_o be_v lord_n of_o all_o horse_n be_v consequent_o lord_n and_o can_v dispose_v of_o all_o bridle_n be_v neither_o true_a in_o sovereign_a prince_n nor_o in_o private_a man_n understanding_n as_o my_o adversary_n do_v that_o bridle_n be_v accessory_a to_o horse_n neither_o do_v that_o consequent_a although_o it_o be_v true_a not_o
the_o old_a testament_n priest_n do_v make_v war_n and_o fight_v with_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o israelite_n against_o their_o enemy_n but_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n priest_n do_v abstain_v from_o the_o shed_n of_o blood_n and_o if_o they_o find_v any_o to_o be_v worthy_a of_o death_n they_o deliver_v they_o over_o to_o the_o secular_a power_n to_o be_v punish_v but_o this_o i_o say_v be_v nothing_o at_o all_o to_o the_o purpose_n for_o my_o argument_n be_v not_o concern_v inferior_a priest_n but_o only_o concern_v the_o pope_n neither_o also_o what_o pope_n in_o practice_n and_o de_fw-fr facto_fw-la do_v but_o what_o according_a to_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n they_o have_v authority_n to_o do_v now_o it_o be_v evident_a and_o approve_a by_o the_o common_a consent_n of_o catholic_a divine_n that_o the_o shed_n of_o blood_n be_v not_o by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n forbid_v either_o the_o pope_n or_o inferior_a bishop_n and_o priest_n who_o therefore_o with_o the_o pope_n licence_n make_v war_n and_o concur_v direct_o to_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n as_o oftentimes_o they_o have_v do_v yea_o now_o at_o rome_n all_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o a_o iuridicall_a sentence_n and_o condemn_v malefactor_n to_o death_n and_o all_o make_n of_o war_n by_o the_o pope_n subject_n be_v derive_v from_o the_o pope_n authority_n not_o as_o he_o be_v pope_n but_o as_o he_o be_v a_o temporal_a prince_n for_o that_o which_o i_o contend_v be_v that_o priest_n neither_o in_o the_o old_a law_n nor_o in_o the_o new_a as_o they_o be_v priest_n or_o by_o their_o priestly_a power_n have_v authority_n to_o condemn_v any_o man_n to_o death_n or_o to_o inflict_v any_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o death_n exile_n privation_n of_o good_n imprisonment_n or_o the_o like_a 27_o second_o and_o principal_o to_o this_o example_n of_o athalia_fw-la i_o answer_v seq_fw-la answer_v apolog._n nu_fw-la 366._o &_o seq_fw-la that_o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o joiada_n the_o high_a priest_n do_v as_o card._n bellarmine_n of_o firm_v in_o this_o place_n create_v joas_n king_n that_o be_v do_v give_v he_o a_o right_a or_o true_a title_n to_o reign_v which_o before_o he_o have_v not_o see_v that_o the_o true_a dominion_n and_o right_a to_o the_o kingdom_n do_v by_o hereditary_a right_n belong_v to_o joas_n present_o after_o the_o death_n of_o his_o brethren_n who_o wicked_a athalia_fw-la have_v treacherous_o slay_v although_o athalia_fw-la do_v tyrannical_o usurp_v the_o possession_n thereof_o for_o it_o be_v not_o unusual_a for_o one_o to_o possess_v sometime_o either_o with_o a_o good_a or_o bad_a conscience_n that_o thing_n whereof_o another_o man_n be_v the_o true_a lord_n or_o owner_n and_o therefore_o betwixt_o right_a and_o possession_n a_o great_a difference_n be_v common_o make_v by_o all_o divine_n and_o lawyer_n wherefore_o joiada_n in_o kill_v athalia_fw-la do_v not_o other_o thing_n than_o what_o every_o faithful_a subject_a aught_o to_o do_v in_o such_o a_o case_n for_o see_v that_o for_o his_o innocent_a life_n opinion_n of_o sanctity_n and_o the_o dignity_n of_o his_o office_n he_o be_v in_o great_a veneration_n among_o the_o people_n and_o peer_n of_o the_o kingdom_n his_o authority_n or_o favour_n do_v prevail_v so_o much_o with_o they_o that_o all_o man_n with_o uniform_a consent_n will_v very_o easy_o be_v draw_v especial_o by_o his_o persuasion_n to_o kill_v the_o treacherous_a usurpresse_v and_o to_o seat_n the_o lawful_a king_n who_o be_v unjust_o detain_v from_o the_o possession_n of_o his_o kingdom_n in_o the_o possession_n thereof_o but_o this_o do_v only_o argue_v the_o strength_n and_o power_n of_o joiada_n and_o his_o great_a favour_n with_o the_o people_n and_o peer_n and_o not_o any_o authority_n in_o he_o to_o create_v a_o king_n who_o by_o right_n be_v not_o a_o lawful_a king_n before_o 28_o wherefore_o from_o this_o example_n of_o athalia_fw-la nothing_o at_o all_o can_v by_o any_o true_a or_o probable_a 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regal_a authority_n and_o shall_v perform_v the_o sacred_a rite_n and_o ceremony_n belong_v to_o religion_n which_o the_o former_a king_n do_v perform_v which_o king_n of_o sacred_a thing_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o odious_a and_o suspect_a name_n and_o authorititie_n of_o a_o king_n can_v have_v no_o authority_n or_o command_n over_o the_o army_n and_o legion_n nor_o bear_v any_o office_n or_o have_v any_o temporal_a government_n over_o the_o people_n but_o his_o power_n and_o authority_n be_v limit_v to_o religion_n and_o contain_v only_o within_o the_o temple_n of_o the_o go_n and_o this_o king_n of_o sacred_a thing_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o chief_a bishop_n as_o all_o other_o priest_n be_v who_o as_o they_o be_v priest_n have_v only_o to_o intermeddle_v in_o sacred_a thing_n but_o afterward_o they_o have_v also_o great_a temporal_a authority_n grant_v they_o by_o the_o senate_n and_o people_n for_o the_o chief_a priest_n or_o bishop_n have_v not_o only_a power_n give_v they_o to_o punish_v with_o pecuniary_a mulct_n the_o inferior_a priest_n who_o shall_v disobey_v their_o command_n but_o also_o they_o be_v make_v consul_n captain_n and_o chief_a magistrate_n in_o the_o commonwealth_n but_o all_o this_o temporal_a authority_n of_o the_o religious_a priest_n do_v proceed_v from_o the_o free_a grant_n of_o the_o temporal_a commonwealth_n and_o not_o as_o necessary_o due_a to_o they_o by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o those_o word_n of_o cicero_n cite_v by_o my_o adversary_n do_v only_o confirm_v to_o wit_n that_o it_o be_v notable_o and_o divine_o ordain_v that_o the_o bishop_n shall_v have_v a_o chief_a command_n in_o matter_n that_o appertain_v as_o well_o to_o the_o commonwealth_n as_o to_o the_o religion_n of_o the_o go_n 33_o but_o that_o the_o temporal_a magistrate_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n be_v command_v and_o correct_v he_o mean_v with_o temporal_a punishment_n as_o occasion_v require_v by_o the_o spiritual_a be_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o roman_n 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reason_n do_v not_o forbid_v but_o do_v permit_v that_o temporal_a prince_n or_o commonwealth_n may_v give_v authority_n to_o those_o religious_a priest_n who_o they_o shall_v appoint_v to_o be_v in_o their_o steed_n public_a minister_n of_o sacred_a rite_n to_o punish_v with_o temporal_a punishment_n those_o that_o shall_v contemn_v their_o just_a command_n and_o that_o in_o this_o sense_n the_o custom_n of_o the_o roman_n give_v authority_n to_o their_o religious_a priest_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n be_v conform_v that_o be_v be_v not_o repugnant_a to_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n but_o agreeable_a thereunto_o as_o a_o laudable_a and_o decent_a custom_n but_o not_o as_o necessary_o enjoin_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n this_o be_v very_o true_a but_o not_o to_o the_o purpose_n for_o that_o which_o my_o adversary_n pretend_v to_o prove_v be_v that_o religious_a priest_n have_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n and_o not_o only_o by_o the_o free_a grant_n of_o temporal_a 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