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A49979 News of a trumpet sounding in the wilderness, or, The Quakers antient testimony revived, examined and compared with itself, and also with their new doctrine whereby the ignorant may learn wisdom, and the wise advance in their understandings / collected with diligence, and carefully cited from their antient and later writings, and recommended to the serious reading and consideration of all enquiring Christians, by Daniel Leeds. Leeds, Daniel, 1652-1720. 1697 (1697) Wing L914; ESTC R11241 77,230 166

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the Hat and going to Meetings for he affim●s p. 5. That Spirit that leads from the practice thereof to be A dark Spirit clearness and freedom is not in it but it doth lead into bondage But how quite contrary this is to that in Truths Principles p 24 51. Every Man ought to be left FREE as the Lord shall perswade his OWN Mind in doing or leaving undone this or the other Practice in Religion This indeed looks quite with another face clean contrary to Rome's Impositions aforesaid and yet these Quakers would have us believe they are led by the ONE Spirit But I perceive J. Crook That wrote that Book is not a fit Man for their Society CHAP VII Of the Scriptures CHristian Quaker pag 104. W. P. cites and transposes the Apostles words thus Lo in the Volumn of the Book it is written I come to do thy Will O God A Body hast thou prepared me But great W. P hath not altered the Sense of that Text yet by W. P 's own Doctrine 't is very questionable whether that be true Scripture especially because what is written in the volumn of the Book of the old Testament is only this Sacrifices and Offerings thou aidst not desire mine Ears ●ast thou opened Psal 40.6 Mark here is not a word of a Body hast thou prepared me which ●e ●nd his Brethren make such a Noise about in their Books Now says W. P. Rejoynder p. 38 I cannot but observe at what a suspected rate the Scriptures have been both first collected and then convered through the several succeeding Ages I may well object Are we sure the Judgment of them who first collected them was sufficient to determine what was right and what not Also How shall we be ass●red that in above 300 years so many hundred Copies as were doubtless taken should be pure and uncorrupted considering the private Dissentions the readiness of each party to bend things to their own belief and the growing and succeeding Faults of leaving out a●ding transposing c. Nor was the Collectors Judgment In●allible Learned men tell us of little less than 3000 several Readings of the Scriptures of the New-Testament in Greek Hence we may observe the Vncertainty of J. Faldo 's Word of God c. Now therefore since W. P. thus declares the Uncertainty of the Scriptures of the New-Testament and the Psalmist to which the Apostle seems to refer shews that Text to be altered why then should he and his Brethren build such monstrous Principles upon so uncertain a Foundation as they render it That upon these words which it seems are properly Mine Ears hast thou opened as that therefore he who dyed at Jerusalem was not Christ but a prepared Body and that the Jews did not see Christ but a prepared Body and that the outward Person born of the Virgin was no part of Christ but only a Garment see Numb 38 48. And to strengthen this Anti-scriptural Doctrine T. Elwood has one knack in his Truth Desended p. 138. where he ventures to belye the common Creed The common Creed says he called the Apostles Creed says Christ was conceived by the holy Ghost Though born of the Virgin Now pray search the common Creed and see if the word Though be there to be found Behold this great Quakers Champion O what an Imposture would he have rendered George Keith to the World had he wrote this Lye of the Creed Note further W Penn cites and defends this Passage R●joynder p. 61. Quest Of what service are the Scriptures as they are given forth and recorded without Ans Much every way saith he and there is an Agreement and Vnion between the Spirit within and the words without Observe here how this wise Man confounds himself The Scriptures by his account are altogether Uncertain and suspicious at least of being corrupted and yet there is an agreement and union between the Scriptures as recorded without the Spirit within How does he here render the Spirit Uncertain One may see by this that a man who writes much had need have a good Memory or a stable Faith Again something like this is that late Confession of G. W. in his Counter Convert p 26. We prefer the holy Scriptures saith he before all the Books extant in the World Now observe here how G. W. carries a double face to deceive his Reader for he does not say that he prefers the Book called the Bible before all Books extant no for then he would contradict their Old Books for the Scriptures in the Bible they esteem Uncertain as above And their former Doctrine shews plainly what those holy Scriptures be which they prefer for in Truths Defence p. 2. 104. they say You might as well have condemned the Scriptures to the fire as our Papers and Querys for our giving forth Papers or printed Books it is from the immediate and eternal Spirit of God Hence it appears that those holy Scriptures which they prefer are their own Books and so much or such parts of the Bible as they will allow to remain uncorrupted c. And thus this insincere G. Whitehead hides himself by a deceivible meaning as is more plain by what he says in his antient Book called Truth defending p 7. That which is spoken from the Spirit of Truth in any says G. W. is of as great Authority as the Scriptures and Chapters are and GREATER c. Now let the Reader judge what those holy Scriptues are that they prefer before all Booke ex●a●●n the Word And as to what parts of the 〈◊〉 they 〈◊〉 allow to be holy Scriptures h●a● 〈…〉 so h●ad says in Refuge fixed p. 17. viz. Whether Mo● 〈◊〉 H●●mis were the first Pen-man of the Scriptures or whether both these and not one And whether some words were not spoken by the grand Imposter some by Wicked Men some by Wise Men ill applyed some by good Men in expressed some by false Prophets and yet true some by true Prophets and yet false c. Now Reader do but compare this with what W. Penn says before and then if my old Friends for time to come should object and say There are seeming Contradictions in the Scriptures or Bible and therefore well may our Friends Books seem to contradict each other Pray let them know that there are not only seeming but real Contradictions in their Books but not in the Bible And as to any seeming Contradictions that may be in the Bible they themselves as above have given the reasons why 't is so viz. having been corrupted but their Books cannot be corrupted because we have the first Impression of them which they say are given forth from the Immediate and Eternal Spirit of God and so must reeds be better and more certain Scripture than the Bible a●c●●●ng to their own Doctrine Now as to the Titl●s they give to the Scriptures take a little more of their Clink Clank as W. P. says of the Priests for in a Book of G W 's call'd
worst of Knaves So here G. W. is vindicating one of the worst of Knaves by his sincere hearted Brother W. P 's rule They are his own words let them share the matter as well as they can between them But says G. W. It is a little failure in Syntax that is to say S E. failed a LITTLE in the Joyning of his words Thus they can excuse blasphemy when uttered by their own Friend but if any of their Opposers do but write A● or THE Yea for Thou or fail in a word O ●en they cry out Forgery Lyes Blasphemy and what not as I could give many instances Then it is not a little failure in Syntax only which the Law of Charity would not take notice of But if a Quaker write that which is ten times worse then they can use the Papists art to Dir●ct their Intention Pray read else in the Book call'd The Mystry of Jesuitism begin at p. 122. and see if George does not here teach people how to equivocate exactly like the Jesuites Now let all Intelligent people weigh and seriously consider whether this be like the simplicity and single heartedness that the Quakers pretend unto for them to write one thing and say themselves they mean Another or do not intend all they speak or write or as in the Title page see cause otherways to word the matter and yet intend the same just as S. Fisher says of the Priests p. 177 Shameful Shifting from sense to sense Misserable Marchings from Meaning to Meaning so that one can hardly know where nor h●● to find them nor what they mean But says ●e WE mostly or EVER keep to the true honest ordinary and plain purpor● of the words a they lie open and clear to EVERY ordinary and common Capacity that is willing to know and do the Truth Thus far S. E. but whether the Quakers do this I lav● to the Judgment of all Impartial Readers of this Book of which take a farther instan●e viz. They having in their Books called the Scriptures Carnal Death Dust Serpents Meat c. some of their own writings they call The Word of the Lord The Word of God The voice of Wisdom c. G W. to Quakers plainness p. 71. Replys That such Titles therefore have been not strictly but figuratively placed on some Books So here it seems they do not keep to the ordinary true honest and plain purport of the words but they must be understood in a Figurative sense Again on the other hand tho' the Quakers one while teach That all Figures were ended by Christ yet G. W. directs the intention for that too in his Timerous Reviler p. 4. where he lets us know They do not intend All but some viz. the figures under the Law And also there justifies their writing or speaking in Figurative Speeches Mataphors and Metonymyes and defends it from Scripture But here let G W. turn back to another of his own Books call'd The Divinity of Christ and Read these words in Epistle about figurative Speeches viz. We charge thee Priest Danson shew us a Verse in Scripture that speaks such Language and where one word may be put for another by Metalepses and so leave People in doubts and Questions Mark Reader does not here need some curious equivocating and otherways wording the matter to Reconcile these Doctrines clear themselves of the Guilt of what they condemn in others And seeing those high Titles they give their own Books are Figurative as they say let them therefore direct the intention next time they print so as we ma● know whether those Titles they have given the Scriptures are figurative too viz. Death Dust Carnal Serpents M●at c. for I cannot yet find in their Books whether whether they intend these Titles to be Figurative o● Real for they should not leave people in Doubts and Questions by putting one word for another by their own Doctrine Nay if we may believe S. Fisher they do keep to the plain true honest ordinary Sense of the words as they lie open and clear to common Capacities By which it appears their faith is that the Scriptures are Really Carnal Death Dust and Serpents Meat But then pray what are their Books what Na●●s can be found out or invented bad enough for their Books seeing G. W. in Quakers plainness p. 71. positively asserts It was NEVER their intentions to bring their Books in Comparison with Scriptures but prefer the Scriptures before All Books O Rare and Base says S. F. p. 145. But if on the contrary they intend the said Titles given to the Scriptures to be figurative And if G. W. be Sincere in pretending to prefer the Scriptures above their Books then surely their Books should have had the worser Titles and the Scriptures the better Title Good Reader weigh this point well for if these Quakers do not really and indeed prefer their own Books above the Bible why can they not call the Scriptures The Word of the Lord or Word of God in a figurative sense as well as call their own Books so in a figurative sense Therefore I am bold to affirm it as my real sense that those late confessions they have made in pretending a preference of the Scriptures above their own Books is gross Equivocation and Hypocrisie so long as they justify their old Doctrine in the case Behold how these men deserve to be mockt as S. Fisher Mocks the Priests viz. They sing their Old New Song to the Tune of the Truth turned out of doors p. 726. For do but read another short instance ●lso about Christ G. F. in his great Myste●y ● as in Heb. 2.10 saith Christ took on him the ●eed of Abraham And in p. 223. Arreign of Popery he saith the Seed of Abraham is the Saviour of the world Thus it seems Christ took the Saviour of the World of the Virgin Mary But if that was the Saviour that Christ took what is Christ that took that Saviour Consider that However here he lets us know that what Christ took of the Virgin is both the Seed and the Saviour of the World Both which W. P. expresly denys in Chr. Quaker p. 97. where he largely declares That 't is the Light in man that is this Seed and not what Christ took of the Virgin And that this Light EVER was in ALL Ages Sufficient and Sa●ing Reas Ag. Rail p. 16. Now chuse Reader whether to take to this Faith published in the year 1674. by W. Penn or that published a dozen years before by G. Fox or their more new Faith now published in the Year 1695. in answer to Dr. Lancaster's Queries before cited Great is their Confusion throughout their Books especially about Christ and the Scriptures and G. F. tells in his Several Papers for the spreading of Truth p. 17. That God is not the Author of Confusion but such hold the Truth in Vnrighteousness And G. W. and his Brethren in their Books frequently call to Priests
Davids Enemies discovered p. 7. he says These Quakers do NOT call the our book of Matthew Mark Luke and John the New Testament and Gospel as thee and thy Generation of Priests do But T Elwood in his Antidote p. 81. calls the Writings of Matthew Mark Luke and John The New-Testament Scriptures of Truth and so is no Quaker if G. W. say true for so he sees cause tow●rd the matter Again J. Tomkins and W. Penn put out a Book and can it The Harmony of the Old and New Testament and so are no Quakers 1 G. W. say true But p●ay Note Though they tell of the Harmony of the Old and New Testament yet there 's but little Harmony in their Books which they esteem equal with if not prefer to the Scriptures Again W. Caton in his Books to his Friends pag. 35.42 calls the VVritings of Matthew Mark Luke and John The GOSPEL and so is no Quaker if G. W. says true Well what think ye my Old Friends can we suppose these men are any mo●e led by the ONE Spirit than others are Surely Na● But to face about again G Fox in his Book News from the North p. 14 saith Your Church is a Steeple-House which is Carnal and your Teacher is Carnal your O●iginal is Carnal Hebrew Greek and Latine and your Word is Carnal the Letter and the Light is Carnal the Letter So Dust is the Serpents Meat their Original is but Dust which is but the Letter which is Death Their Church is Dust a heap of Lime and Stone gathered together So the Serpent feeds upon Dust And their Gospel is DUST Matthew Mark Luke and John which is the Letter Now Observe first how he tells of the Serpent feeding on Lime and Stone pray is not this Carnal too had not the Devil need to have strong Teeth to know upon St●ple-Houses Sure this is both Carnal and Ridiculous or Ranter-like Secondly He renders the Scriptures all alike Carnal Dust and Serpents Meat with Hebrew Greek and Latine Here 's no preference except in their own Books and some of those they entitle The Word of God The Word of the Lord A living Testimony c. Now if they say the Bible will grow Old and molder away and become Dust I say so will their Books too And if they say 'T is the Sence contained in the Words of their Books which they call the Word of God the Word of the Lord I say the like is understood of the Scriptures in the Bible And yet as do the Papists so they have opposed others calling them Lyars that say T●e Scripture is the Word If this be not Equivocation I say again 't is an exalting their own Books above the Bible Above the Bible did I say yes why not for the aforesaid Book called News out o● the North was as G. Fox says p. 1. Written from the MOUTH OF THE LORD by One who is Naked and stands Naked before the Lord cloathed in Righteousness whose Name is not known to the World which was prophecyed of but now is fulfilled Therefore it must needs be better Scripture than the Bible for they tell as above how Uncertain that is Therefore ●hatever late Confession they have made in pretending to prefer the Scriptures of the Prophets and Apostles before all Books it can be no other bu● Deceit till they condemn their old Doctrine for G. VV. confesses Their Intentions may be the same tho' they may see cause now otherways to word the matter Count Conv. pag. 72 And Lastly Sam. Fisher says of the Scriptures That were their Transcriptions and Translations never so certain and entire by answering to the first Original Copies yet are not capable to be to all men any other than a Lisbian Rule or Nose of Wax see his Additional Appendix p. 21. Mark how he affirms That if the Scriptures were never so true yet they are capable of being NO OTHER than a Nose of Wax Now I dare affirm there is no sort of People else in Christendom except Papists will speak thus of the Scriptures But experience tells me That all sensible Christians who protest against this Popish Principle cannot but have an evidence in themselves to the worth and purity of the Scriptures by those sweet Streams of Life that are fel● by reading and meditating thereon beyond what can be felt by reading any other Books But before we conclude this Head take one Verdict more from W. P's Spirit of Truth p. 38. The Scripture says he is much like the Shadow of the to ●e Rule Now all men know That the shadow is a vain empty uncerta●n thing sometimes two or three times longer or shorter than the Truth or Substance Again W Smiths Primer p. 11 12. Quest What is the Service of the Scriptures if they be not a Rule and for tryal of things that are spoken Ans They are of great Service Child and are to be read and believed But if thou lookest upon the Scriptures for A RULE and for Trying thou givest that unto them which belongs unto Christ c. Note Here the Scripture is denyed to be any Rule at all no not so much as to try actions or words But he says They are to be believed and yet W. P. shews them to be Vncertain So we must believe that which is Uncertain and no Rule in any case Is not this rare Doctrine But to face round about again E. B●rroughs in his Hu●-and-Cry after false Prophets says I shall lay all People to the Line of Judgment by THE RULE of the Scriptures and the Spirit that gave them see p. 880. where he not only makes the Scripture A Rule but The Rule yea so far The Rule that he trys judges and condemns the Priests by the express words of Scripture as Vncertain and Corrupt as they render them before But as Sam. Fisher says of the Priests so pray observe G W 's Rounds Wheelings Whi●lings for in his Book Tit. Ishmael c. p. 3.10 her●after The Scripture of the Bible is Carnal the Letter is Death and killeth yet he calls his own Writings The Light and Life of Christ c. But to face about again he tells us They prefer the holy Scriptures before all Books in the World But then Round he goes again saying That which is spoken by the Spirit of Truth is of as great Authority as the Scriptures are greater c. And that their Writings are given forth by the Eternal Spirit of God But Round again com●s George with a Back stroke and in Qrs. plainness p. 71. he says Our Intention and Principle never was to bring our Books in Comparison with the Scriptures O Confused Confidence and Self-Contradictions CHAP. VIII Of Magistracy and Government ALthough I have plenty of Instances before me to cite out of my Old Friends Books I shall begin with my Neighbour Sam. Jenings's book call'd The state of the Case p. 73. where he says Magistracy and Government we always owned to be the