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A17186 An holsome antidotus or counter-poysen, agaynst the pestylent heresye and secte of the Anabaptistes newly translated out of lati[n] into Englysh by Iohn Veron, Senonoys Bullinger, Heinrich, 1504-1575.; VĂ©ron, John, d. 1563. 1548 (1548) STC 4059; ESTC S104813 56,402 234

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▪ For ther it is written that Lazarus is in ioy and solace whe● as the rycheman is punyshed in hell If so be that the soule as ye doo say shulde slepe she coulde haue no ioye excepte i● were by dreames if she reioyseth or haue ioy it is impossible that she shoulde slepe Likewis● it is manifest li knowen shewed in the .viii. of Mathew that many shall come sytte in the kyngdome of God with Abraham Isaak and Iacob That in the meane season I shoulde sai nothing that slepe is clean● contrarye to the nature of the soule which is in Greke called ●ntesecheia or Endesechia that is to sai ● perpetuall and vnrequietable ●otion or workyng Sy. These ●hinges are more manifest and more strong then I thought Ioia It is the poynte of an vnwise man to say I thought not and hauyng hearde but one ●arte to geue sentence The A●ababtistes do aduaunce and ●et forth gaily and paintyngly their argumentes but they are weake and nothyng strong Sy. I woulde fayne know in what significaciō the scripture vseth this worde to slepe which is so often tymes founde in euery place of the Bible Ioia Among the auncient fathers this worde to slepe was to dye naturally or after the commen course of nature And because of the resurrectiō it was saied that thei which dyd dye sleape For as a man geueth hym selfe to sleape doubting nothing but that he shall wake agayne from his sleape so the body sleapeth that is to say dyeth doeth ly● in the graue beyng kepte there ●yl the day of the general resurrection So the Fathers dy● sleape so Stephen all othe● godly persons Seyng therfor● that to sleape is to dye and th● soules can not dye it foloweth that they canne not sleape Fo● Stephen dyd saye Lorde receiue thou my spirite which thyng when he had saied ha● cōmitted or cōmended his soul to the heauenly father his bod● sleapynge dyd dye In thy thyng they are deceyued tha● they do attribute vnto the sou● that which belongeth to the body only But in the meane seasō it is attributed to the whole mā because of the vnitie of the body and of the soule beyng knytted in one persone Which example was brought afore of Christ in whom the body died only not his godhead nor his soule Lykewyse a man slepeth but with his bodye not with his soule The Anababtistes doo not nor wyl not vnderstand this figure Sin●cdoch● nor the other figures tropes Which thyng causeth them to erre in many thynges But ignorauncye maketh them the bolder to teache what so euer they do dreame or conceyue in their sleape Sy. Yet it is euident that Paul saith that a cotoune of rightwisnes shal be rēdered vnto him at lengthe when th● Lorde cometh And also that which is written in Iohn an● in the Epistle to the Philipen● is sure and strongly grounded ▪ Ioia This ought to be obserue● Symon that the daye of th● Lorde in scriptures is not alwayes to bee taken for the las● day but somtyme for the truth and lyght as in the gospell o● Iohn otherwhyles for the vi● sitacion of the Lorde as ofte● tymes in the Prophetes and ● Cor. iii. sometyme for the end● death of euery man as Ioh● vi I wyll resussitate or rays● him agayne to euerlastyng life in the last daye that is to saye● when he dyeth For when an● man dyeth that day is last vnt● hym After thys maner dy● Paule call the last daye in th● Epistle to Timothe For he had spoken before of his death saiyng I am ready to be offered affirming that he had ben faith full and loyall in his course therfore he dyd not doubte but that the rightwise iudge shulde render vnto him the coroune of rightwysnesse which as he leaueth no vnrightwysnesse vnpunyshed so alwayes rewardeth them that lobor faithfully And this place doeth rather for vs then for the Anababtistes seing that Paule dothe hope that the coroune of rightwysnesse duyd vnto the rightwyse shal be renderyd vnto him at the tyme of his death Ergo he beleueth not that the soules do slepe but that they do lyue euerlastingly That which thou aledgest out of Iohn and Paule to the Philipenses are spoken of the last iudgement but they proue not that the soules are a sleape For that whiche they doo speake of saluation there dooe perteyne more to the resurrection of the body For these are the wordes of Paule He shall transforme that is to say Christ our vyle body that he may make it conforme and lyke to his glorious body What meane these thingꝭ elles but that our bodyes haue full hope of resurrection or risyng agayn As Iob dyd speke Iob .ix. Sy. If the soules dooe receyue by and by their iudgement as sone as they be departed what neadeth that vniuersall iudgement Ioia It perteyneth to the whole man whiche shall be repayred or made new agane with the body that shall ryse with the soule Of the which thyng it is written Chess .iiii. Mat. xxiiii .xxv. Doest thou yet desyre any thīg Sy. I had leauer heare foundations and groundes oute of the scriptures Ioia I haue brought verye many alreadye what dooest thou aske more Sy. Thou hast other helpes yet the which I pray the to bryng forth Ioia Seynge that thou arte desyrous of the truthe I wyll hyde nothyng frome the. This Doctrine and Opinion of the Sleape of the Soules dooeth not ouelye repugne agaynst the Scriptures fayth dooeth not onely disanulle the Gospell and Resurrection of Christ but is also agaynst all cōmune sense reasone a rude and vnclearkelye ignoraunce but go to let vs expounde these thyngꝭ I aske thee if the soule be a body or a spirite Sy. It is not a bodye nor any grosse substaunce but a syngle and pure spirite Ioia Can then a spirite be subiect to bodily infirmities as to be an hongered to be weryed to dye c. Sy. No for these perteyne to the bodye onely A spirite is immortall incorruptible euerlasting or perpetuall Ioiada Thou sayest very well therfore marke thyne argumēt thus Sith the soule is a spirit not a bodye it can not be subiecte to bodily passions or infirmities but is exempte frome them slepe doth chaunce to the body thorough werinesse Ergo the soule can not slepe for the soule cannot be weary Or canst thou brynge any other thynge concernyng slepe Sy. No for all operacions and senses dooe ceasse and rest and excepte the body shulde brethe folkes wold thynke that it were dead Ioia Now if our soules should slepe it shoulde folow that after this lyfe we doo feele neither good nor euyll which dothe directly pugne agaynste the Gospell Moreouer we wyl proue by the nature of the slepe that the soules can not slepe but the bodye only For now I aske the when doeth the soule slepe after that she is departed frome the body or when she is yet ioyned to the body