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A70887 The Quakers vindicated from the calumnies of those that falsly accuse them as if they denyed magistrates, and disowned government; and as if both in principle and practice they were inconsistant with either. In which is shewed, that the true and sincere Quakers (so called, for of them I write) are in the spirit and principle in which the justice of magistrates is obeyed, and in which magistrates are to administer their government, and that by their practice in good works they fulfill all just and good government. And that they have God's authority for their meeting together to worship Him, ... And that people in matters of religion and the worship of God, should rather be instructed and led by the Spirit of the Lord in Gods authority, ... Also, several objections answered, as to the exercise of secular force and compulsion over the conscience in matters of faith, religion, and the worship of God. By Edward Pyot. Pyot, Edward, d. 1670. 1667 (1667) Wing P4316A; ESTC R25210 46,417 48

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Worship of God and that God can no otherwise be truly and spiritually worshipped but as is prescribed and allowed by the Liturgy or practice of the Church of England do they not consequently conclude the Worship of the Apostles and primitive Christians to be false who worshipped not by the prescript of the Liturgy but in Spirit before the Liturgy was And did not Christ to the Woman of Samaria say The hour cometh and now is 4. this was before the Liturgy when the true Worshippers shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth and that the Father seeketh such to worship him May it not therefore rather be asserted That God may be otherwise worshipped than by the prescript of the Liturgy or then is allowed by the practice of the Church of England to wit in Spirit and in Truth which by Christ is prescribed for the Worship of God and by the Apostles and primitive Christians was practised before the Liturgie was which Worship in the Spirit and in the Truth not only ended the Temple-worship at Jerusalem but also is repugnant to all the invented worships of every Nation And if it be said by any as in effect it hath been said by some esteemed wise and learned to justifie the use of the Common-Prayer-Book or Liturgie as they call it That there is no Form of Worship pre●isely declared and prescribed by God for his Worship I answer If there be no Form of Worship declared and prescribed by God should not men then tremble to prescribe where God hath not prescribed and must that therefore be the Worship of God which is prescribed by men And if they find not precisely declared and prescribed the Form of God's Worship in the Scripture doth it therefore follow that the Form of God's Worship is not precisely declared and prescribed by God or that which may be thought to be omitted by God that it must therefore be supplyed by man Doth God precisely require his Worship and doth he not as precisely prescribe the Form how he will be worshipped to them of whom he requires it Was Moses faithful in all his house as a Servant and is not Christ as a Son over his own house for is not Christ the King and Prophet of his Church and is this only titular or an idle dignity without fruit or effectual operation and vertue for as their King and Prophet is not Christ ever present with his by his Spirit that dwelleth in them and that abideth with them for ever to teach them and to lead them and to guide and govern them for did not Christ before he was crucified tell his Disciples that he would not leave them as Orphans but that he would come to them again and manifest himself unto them and with the Father make his abode with them And is not Christ also in the bosom of the Father to make known his will concerning his own Worship and Service And do not his Sheep hear and know his Voice and learn of him and doth he not shew them plainly of the Father as it is written The time cometh when I shall no more speak unto you in Parables but I shall shew you plainly of the Father Again Is not the manner and form of God's Worship precisely declared and prescribed by God in the Scriptures to be in Spirit and in Truth and if that be doubtful or hidden and unknown to them which are esteemed wise and learned which in the Scripture is written But the hour cometh and now is when the true Worshippers shall worship ●n 4. the Father in Spirit and in Truth And if these be enigmatical sayings viz To them that have eyes and see but perceive not and have ears and hear but understand not God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in Truth Yet herein is there not a ●hn 4. ● plain description by Christ of the Worship of God to them that are taught of God and have the mind of Christ and by the Spirit of Truth are led and guided into all Truth And wherein any thing which Christ spake to his Disciples whilst he was present with them in the body was at all obscure and ambiguous to them because of their weakness did not Christ direct them to the Teachings of the holy Spirit as to all things and for the bringing all things to their remembrance and opening their understandings in all whatsoever he had said unto them And what then in the Worship of God is there more precise which hath not been prescribed and declared at first by Christ and which since hath not been or may not in all the parts of God's Worship be plainly described by the holy Ghost in the hearts and consciences of God's faithful and true Worshippers whom the Father seeketh to worship him although perhaps it may be hidden from them who reject the Counsel of God within themselves and despise the most sure Conduct of his Spirit who leads into all Truth and who chuse to themselves the Worship which is after the Inventions and Commandments of men And forasmuch as God may be worshipped in other manner than is allowed by the Liturgy or practice of the Church of England as by the Apostles and primitive Christians he was before the Liturgy was and as by Christ is prescribed for the Worship of God to wit in Spirit and in Truth why should endeavours be used with such extremity against a People that fear the Lord whose consciences are tender and sensible and in the feeling of that which offends the Lord not only to obstruct them in their just-Liberty purchased to them as Christians by Christ and the free exercise of their Faith and Consciences to worship God in that manner in which God may be worshipped otherwise than is allowed by the Liturgy c. but also by their Laws to limit them to another manner of Worship than that in which God may be worshipped and otherwise than that into which they by the Spirit of Christ are led to worship God and other than that which by the primitive Christians was practised for the Worship of God and which they no where find in the Scriptures either limited unto or prescribed and which the Witness of God in their Consciences is against Do not the stronger herein by their strength rule over the weak in the things of God which by Christ are distinguished from the things that are Caesars Is not this by might and by power to over-rule the Heritage of God against their knowledge of the will of God and what God requires of them and against the divine wisdom and their spiritual understanding which God hath given them for his Service and Worship and against their faith and what they really believe to be the true and spiritual Worship of God and against the discerning and judgment which by the gift of God is seated in their hearts and souls by which they distinguish in themselves and do judge
that knew them not And by the Kings Commission was not power to him given for their execution of the Law of God and the King's Decree upon Malefactors either unto Death or to Banishment or to Confiscation of goods or to Imprisonment that so the people all might be judged and governed even as to their outward man according to the Law of God and by Magistrates and Judges that knew the Law of God And as to that which perhaps by some may be alledged to prove Reformation as to the Worship of God by Artaxerxes the King viz. that both Artaxerxes the King and his Counsellers offered freely and bountifully of their Silver and Gold and that the King gave power to Ezra for Collections in the Province of Babylon and for the freewil Offerings of the People and the Priests and therewith to buy Bullocks and Ramms and Lambs c. for Sacrifices and with his Brethren to dispose of the rest after the will of God and as to what might farther be needful for the House of God that he ordered Ezra to bestow out of his Treasure-house and that he made a Decree for his Treasurers to give unto Ezra Silver and Wheat and Wine and Oyl and Salt to a great value if by Ezra it should be required of them To which I say are they not to distinguish between the exercise of Authority for the correcting altering or prescribing as to the Worship of God and the exercise of Authority for the encouragment and protection of God's true Worshippers in the Worship of God as by God himself it is prescribed and reformed And did not Artaxerxes the King herein like a Nursing-father even to the Church though otherwise reputed a Heathen exercise his Imperial and Kingly Authority for the encouragement and protection of the Jews in the Worship of God as by God himself it was prescribed and reformed rather than that he intruded his own Authority or Commands for reforming the Church as to the Worship of God in his holy Temple for as to all things which related to the Worship of God in his Temple did not Artaxerxes the King submit the sole Government and Reformation Psal 10 12. of the Church to God himself yea and that with fear and reverence to God as a consuming fire lest by the Wrath of God himself with his Realm and his Sons should be consumed in that which he saith Ezra 7. 23. Whatsoever is commanded by the God of Heaven let it be diligently done for the House of the God of Heaven for why should there be wrath against the Realm the King and his Sons And hereby is not their error made manifest or their malice or ignorance of the Scriptures who in their Pulpits before the Judges do make use of that which in Ezra 7. 26. is written Whosoever will not do the Law of thy God and the Law of the King let judgment be speedily executed upon him whether it be unto Death or to Banishment or to confiscation of Goods or to Imprisonment with endeavour to incense the Judges to exercise cruelty upon the innocent by their misinterpretation and wrong application when the Quakers are to be tryed upon the Act for Banishment or Imprisonment for their meeting together in the fear of the Lord and in his Name to worship him And herein do they not wrest the Scriptures to oppress the Innocent that are more righteous than themselves And if by the judgments and executions of the Law of God and the Law of the King and the penalties and punishments in this Scripture mentioned here was intended by the King a compulsion as to the matters of Religion and a force as to the Worship of God in order to a uniformity in Religion and Worship among all those people over whom the Magistrates and Judges by the Kings decree were to be setled as in the Wisdom of God Ezra should be guided to direct must not all the people then have been forc'd as to their Religion and their Worship by those penalties and punishments that were beyond the River in which were several Provinces or at least should not all the people then by these judgments and executions have been compelled to be one with the Jews as to their Religion and with them to have worshipped in the Temple that were in the Province of Judah or in the Cities of Samaria c. in which there were of several Nations and they of several Religions and several manners of Worship for is not that which in this Scripture is said Whosoever will not do the Law of thy God and the Law of the King c. intended of all the people that were beyond the River as in the verse before and as much as to say Whosoever of all the people that are beyond the River c. And was Judgement ever so executed upon this people to force them as to their Religion and the several manners of the Worship of each Nation in which every Nation worshipped their own gods or were the several Nations mentioned Ezra 4. 9 10. ever compelled by those penalties and punishments to be of the Jews Religion or with them to worship in the Temple at Jerusalem Nay would not this rather have gratified the Nations who in those Countries were the Jews adversaries then the Nation of the Jews who publickly could have worshipped with the Jews in the Temple and also privatly have served their own gods for when the Jews laid the foundation of the Temple would not they have builded with them and did not they seem to inforce the accomplishment of their desire therein by arguments of unity with them in that which to Zerubbabel and to the chief of the Fathers they said viz. Let us build with you for we seek your ●● 4. 2. God as ye do and we do sacrifice unto him c. And did not the Jews both deny them and account the Temple profaned by the presence of profane men in it and also both their worship and themselves defiled by their fellowship with Idolaters in it And must not then those penalties and punishments have been executed cheifly on the Jews if the speedy execution of Judgment spoken of in this Scripture extended to the setling of a uniformity in Religion and Worship among all those People and Nations over whom those Magistrates and Judges were to be setled And then would not the Jews have been the greatest sufferers in whose favour the Decree by the King was intended and granted for if they chose rather not to build the Temple than to admit of them to build with them could they at all communicate with them in the Worship of God who no otherwise feared the Lord but as every Nation also served their own gods Again Are not the penalties and punishments that are mentioned in this Scripture viz. unto Death or to Banishment c. both the Judgments and Executions of the Law of God and also Secular penalties and punishments and doth the
The QUAKERS Vindicated from the Calumnies of those that falsly accuse them as if they Denyed MAGISTRATES and Disowned GOVERNMENT And as if both in Principle and Practice they were inconsistant with either In which is shewed That the true and sincere Quakers so called for of them I write are in the Spirit and Principle in which the Justice of Magistrates is obeyed and in which Magistrates are to administer their Government and that by their practice in good works they fulfill all just and good Government And that they have God's Authority for their meeting together to worship Him and the Name of Christ which is above every name to meet in And that their Worship in Spirit is allowed by the Scriptures of Truth and the practice of the Primitive Christians which was before either the Liturgie or the Masse-book was And that people in the matters of Religion and the Worship of God should rather be instructed and led by the Spirit of the Lord in Gods Authority than driven by the terrour of Magistrates and forc'd by the penalties and punishments of the outward Laws of Men. Also several Objections answered as to the exercise of Secular force and compulsion over the Conscience in matters of Faith Religion and the Worship of God By EDWARD PYOT But truly I am full of power by the Spirit of the Lord and of judgment and of might to declare unto Jacob his transgressions and to Israel his sin Hear this I pray you ye Heads of the house of Jacob and Princes of the house of Israel that abhor Judgment and pervert all Equity they build up Zion with blood and Jerusalem with iniquity Mich. 3. 8 9 10. Knowing this that the Law is not made for a righteous man but for the lawless and disobedient for the ungodly and for sinners for the unholy and prophane c. 1 Tim. 1. 9 10. The Quakers vindicated from the Calumnies of those that falsly accuse them as if they denyed Magistrates and disowned Government c. IT is no strange thing if there be a talk among some people that the Quakers so called do deny Magistrates and disown Government for such there were in the times of Christ and of his Apostles who of malice some and others of ignorance slandered both Christ and his Apostles and the most sincere Christians of all Ages since with such false accusations and scandalous reports it was through envy and slander that Christ was by the Jews delivered as a Malefactor in this kind as Pilate well knew whom the chief Priest the B●ders and Scribes with their multitude accused of perverting the Nations and forbidding to pay Tribute to Cesar and of stirring up the people and this they did under pretence of friendship to Cesar who in their hearts they hated they told Pilate that he was not Caesar's friend if he let him go when he sought to release him as finding no fault in him and cryed for Barrabas to be released who did indeed prevert the people and made Insurrection and committed Murder in the Insurrection and for Sedition and Murther was cast into Prison And they laid in many great grievious complaints against the Apostles as touching the Law of the Jews and of moving Sedition and of turning the world upside down and they accused them of doing contrary to the Decrees of Cesar And the Christians in after-times were said to be seditious and rebellious and pernicious to the Emperour and whatsoever evils happened among the people they were imputed to the Christians as the causers thereof Thus the most sincere Christians of their times have been scandalized defamed and persecuted by the malice of them who through their subtilty and envie to Righteousness have endeavoured by all ways and means to bring the most Innocent and upright People into contempt with their Rulers and to possess the ignorant people with prejudice against them that having rendred them infamous and dangerous they might be persecuted as such and as such many have unjustly suffered by their Rulers and by the mis-led people have been disregarded and had in base esteem and accounted as the filth of the world and as the off-scouring of all things And therefore it is no strange thing if the most sincere Christians of these times that are now reproachfully called Quakers and Sectaries and their Ministers Ringleaders as the Christians in the Apostles times were called Nazarens and termed a Sect and their Ministers Ringleaders be now slandered and defamed as if they denyed Magistrates and disowned Government and were in their principle and practice inconsistent with both by the scandalous reports of some who through their envy to Godliness and Sincerity have evilly surmised and hatched such things without any cause given whereby the Rulers also have been incensed against the Innocent as a People disaffected to Government And this subtile and malicious working was in Oliver's dayes as well as now and hath been through all the late Changes although the Quakers never gave occasion to any yet occasions have been taken against them by all and they have been made offenders and have deeply suffered by all who never justly offended any nor are in principle or practice prejudicial to either Government or Governours but are for the establishment of both according to the Ordinance of God and by their honest conversation which is according to the will of God in well-doing which well becometh good Government they do answer the end of Government and their Principle teacheth them according to the will of God to submit themselves to every Ordinance of man for the Lord's sake and they know it to be the will of God corcerning them that they may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men according as Peter writeth to the Christians that were scattered abroad in several parts That they should be of honest conversation among the Gentiles and submit themselves to every Ordinance of man for the Lords sake whether to the King as Supream or unto Governors as unto them that 61. 2. are sent of him for the punishment of evil-doors and for the praise of them that do well and that this to do was the will of God concerning them that with well-doing they might put to silence the ignorance of foolish men And if well-doing which indeed is an honour to Government and not a disowning of it and which deserves the Magistrates praise and therefore is no denying them was a sufficient ground to put to silence the ignorance of foolish men in this matter as to the Christians in the Apostles times why may not the well-doing of the Quakers now who as to their honest conversation innocent life and quiet behaviour towards both Rulers and People have a large testimony in the consciences of all that know them be a sufficient ground to put to silence the ignorance of foolish men as to this matter in this our day And those who so bewray their ignorance as thus to talk may not unfitly be
in Christ Iesus are called sanctified through the Truth in which many are one Body and all Members one of another and all partakers of one Bread and all made to drink into one Spirit And as Christians therefore are not all Brethren as in that state and the Chiefest to be the Servant of all and that not titularly only and be served of all but in the Truth and for the Gospel-sake to serve all And whereas those Scriptures viz. Let every soul be subject to the Rom 13. Tit. 1 P●● 2. 3 higher Powers c. and Put them in mind to be subject to Principalities and Powers to obey Magistrates c. and Submit your selves to every Ordinance of man for the Lords sake c. are many times by many brought against the Quakers thereby to signifie to them as if subjection and obedience to Magistrates as to their Faith and Consciences in the matters of Religion and the Worship of God is required of them by the authority of these Scriptures I answer That in these Scriptures precited here is indeed required subjection and obedience even by Christians to Magistrates in all those matters and things which concern their outward man but that subjection and obedience to Magistrates by Christians as to the exercise of their Faith and Consciences in the matters of Religion and the Worship of God which are the concerns of the inward man cannot reasonably be understood here to be required by the Apostles in these Scriptures I offer this as reason viz. Because the then Magistrates to whom obedience was required by the Apostles as to Religion were Heathens and worshippers of false gods And is it reasonable for any to believe that the Apostles herein required that the primitive Christians should subject the exercise of their Faith and Consciences under the dominion of them that as to their Religion were Infidels or that the Church of Christ as to matters of Religion and the Worship of God should be governed by Heathen Rulers that were themselves Idolators and worshippers of false gods And if it should be yet asserted by any That the Apostles here in these Scriptures intended the subjection and obedience of the inward man and that the primitive Christians were to be subject as to their Faith and Consciences in the matters of Religion and the Worship of God to the then Heathen Magistrates will it not then follow that if the then Heathen Magistrates had made Laws to force the primitive Christians from their Christian Religion and their Worship which is in Spirit and in Truth according to the Doctrine of Christ John 4. And to require them to worship the false gods of the Heathen i. e. the Idols which the then Heathen Magistrates worshipped Must not the primitive Christians then of necessity have been subject And is not this absurd to assert And must it not therefore of necessity follow that the subjection and obedience here required by the Apostles in these Scriptures is only as to all those matters and things which relate to the outward man and not at all of the subjection of the inward man in the things of God which relate to his own Spiritual Worship and Service And as to this distinction did not Christ himself distinguish between things and ascribe to God his things i. e. the things that are proper to God only and not to man and also allow unto Caesar his things i. e. to the chief Magistrates of every Nation the things that belong to them in that which he saith Render therefore to Cesar the ●atth ● 21. things that are Cesars and unto God the things that are Gods And is not the inward man the Image of God and are not the things of the inward man which relate to the Worship of God of his inscription or under his only Dominion as Caesar had his image and superscription stampt on their Coin to signifie his Dominion over them as to the things of their outward man And in that which Peter saith Submit your selves to every Ordinance of man c. is it not manifest that he herein intended their submission in the things of the outward man by his own example in the case for when the Magistrates interposed their Commands in the things of God did he not answer them saying Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto ●cts 4. ● God judge ye And again did not he with the other Apostles in answer to the Magistrates say We ought to obey God rather than men And ●cts 5. ● was it not as to the matters of Religion and for the exercise of their Faith and Consciences in the Service and Worship of God that the Apostles and primitive Christians suffered Persecution by the Magistrates And whereas when things by Magistrates are commanded which for Conscience-sake cannot be obeyed by them who endeavour to keep their Consciences void of offence that which is written Rom. 13. 5. Wherefore ye must needs be subject not only for wrath but also for Conscience-sake is often objected thereby to insinuate That Magistrates have dominion over the Conscience in the things of the inward man I answer That every man is bound in his Conscience by the Lord and to the Lord to obey the just Commands of their Magistrates not only for wraths sake by man but also for conscience sake to God according to this Scripture is not at all by the Quakers denied But because Magistrates are to be obeyed for conscience sake to God and as the conscience is bound by God to their obedience and not by man doth it therefore follow that Magistrates have dominion over the conscience And are not Magistrates as wel to be submitted unto for the Lord's sake as for conscience sake or have Magistrates dominion over that in others which in themselves hath dominion over them For is not that in man called Conscience which in the light of Christ both knows and feels and which as it were is the Throne of God in man and the Seat of his divine Law and of the Justice of God for hath not every man either peace or trouble as with the Light of Christ which is the Law of God in his own conscience he is either justified or condemned Or can Magistrates be obeyed for conscience sake in things against conscience or can they be submitted unto for the Lord's sake in things against the Lord or must Magistrates be obeyed for conscience sake in the things of the outward man and must not the Lord be obeyed for conscience sake in things of the inward man which concerns his own Worship and Service or do they either obey God or Magistrates for conscience sake who in the Worship of God are by men forc'd against their consciences And because Magistrates are by Christians to be obeyed for conscience sake may it not therefore be of caution to Magistrates in their Government to take heed that they require nothing against