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A17971	Astrologomania: the madnesse of astrologers. Or An examination of Sir Christopher Heydons booke, intituled A defence of iudiciarie astrologie. Written neere vpon twenty yeares ago, by G.C. And by permission of the author set forth for the vse of such as might happily be misled by the Knights booke. Published by T.V. B. of D.	Carleton, George, 1559-1628.; Vicars, Thomas, d. 1638.	1624 (1624)	STC 4630; ESTC S107657	76,014	146

and whosoeuer stand in his way are thus charged Sir bee contented and quiet your selfe and you shall sooner see the truth The Conclusion which you would proue is as you tell vs a thing naturall wee looked for a naturall reason of a naturall Conclusion You goe to proue it by Scriptures confessing thereby that you finde no reason in nature for it Wee need no Scriptures to proue things naturall they are for higher matters then nature can reach But you say the Starres haue Dominion ouer the successe of mens actions because it is said that the Starres fought from Heauen in their order against Sisera Did euer any Diuine expound this as you doe And what warrant haue you to make the word of God serue your fancy First you charge not onely the words but the sense of the place which thing either you should not haue done ot else not so rashly and without considering of your owne words charge M. Chambers of false suggestion or false translating as you doe Pag. 47. For whereas M. Chambers citeth the words of Iob thus Dost thou know the order of Heauen and wilt thou reduce the course of it to the Earth You say he doth falsly translate the words because the Originall hath Knowest thou the Lawes or Ordinances of Heauen and canst thou dispose the Dominion thereof vpon the Earth Let a man not transported with affection tell me the difference betweene your words and his and giue a sensible distinction betweene Dost thou know and knowest thou betweene the order of Heauen and the Ordinances of Heauen betweene reducing the Course of Heauen to the Earth and disposing the Dominion thereof vpon the Earth Is not one sense kept in both But now how the sense and words of the other place is chopt changed by you let vs consider The place which you cite in the originall and in all Translations certainly in all that I haue seene The Hebrew Text hath it the old Latine Translation the Septuagint Tremelius Leo Iuda the English all I say without exception reade the place thus They fought from heauen euen the Starres in their Courses fought against Sisera The Interpreters of this place old and new vnderstand it so that this fighting from Heauen was by Hayle Raine and tempest And true it is that the Starres by their Cosmicall rising or setting are obserued to further raine and tempest And thus wee haue the words of the Scripture faithfully translated in all Translations expounded by ancient and later Expositors shewing how the Heauens fought against Sisera This is confirmed by the circumstances in the Text. For in the next words it followeth The Riuer Kison swept them away The inundation of the Riuer is declared caused by the Hayle and Raine which fell from Heauen whereby the Canaanites were ouerthrowne by the tempest from Heauen and drowned in the Riuer Thus much is euident by the Text and confirmed by the testimonies of all that haue touched this place Against this the Knights Book for Alas the Knight himselfe may be guiltlesse of many things contained in the Booke against this I say this writer taketh vpon him to translate it anew and to expound it as him listeth That the Starres fought from Heauen in their Courses against Sisera and expoundeth it that the Starres by their Influences gaue successe to the Action against all Expositors But if the Influence of the Starres gaue successe in this Action wee would know whether the Astrologer could haue giuen Prediction hereof by looking vpon the Starres In the destruction of Babilon you say hee could not and why could hee more in this For in this a Miracle was shewed euidently Againe if the Starres did signifie successe whether was it good successe or euill For wee know the ancient cosenage of Astrologers and Oracles If the Astrologer should haue told the King of Canaan that the Starres signified good successe hee should haue but deceiued him as many doe Further if this be a good reason because the Starres did fight against Sisera therefore the Influence of Starres reacheth to successe in mens actions Why should not this bee as good The Riuer Kison helped the people of God against Sisera therefore the Influence of the Riuers doe the like For there is no more giuen to the Starres then to the Riuer It is true that all the Creatures of God are at his command and are vsed as Instruments to doe his will in the protection of his Church and against his enemies What is this to Astrologie But you say why did Moses testifie that they were created to bee signes whose signification you affirme to be barbarous or no signes at all to vs if they bee not vnderstood Your meaning is that Moses witnessing Gen. 1. 14. That whereas God in creating the Lights of Heauen said Let them be for signes for seasons and for dayes and yeares These words must bee so vnderstood let the Starres bee created to signfie particular Euents of warres of troubles of the Estate of Cities and Common-wealthes of the death of Kings of particular Euents of mens actions that the Astrologers by looking vpon them may foretell those things For if they bee made for signes they must signifie these things And if they doe not signifie these things then are they vainly created And is not this a great meruaile that the Diuell did not set some Astrologers a worke to interpret Scriptures For if you had the testimony but of some one Expositor of Scriptures you might haue some pretence to excuse the impiety but hauing none what Astrologicall Sorcery hath bewitched you to dare without reuerence offer force compulsion to Gods holy word to make it serue your turne All Expositors that euer I could see with one consent expound this place so that your Astrologicall significations are quite shut out August Lib. Imperf in Gen. ad literam Chrysost. in Cap. 1. Gen. Homil. 6. Beda in Cap. 1. Gen. Origen in Gen. 1. Theodoret in Gen. 1. Abeuleus in Gen. 1. Lyra in Gen. 1. Glossa ordinaria Caluin in Gen. 1. Franciscus Vatabalus not a Translator of the Bible as you call him but a diligent Expounder All doe agree in this that this signification is of things in the knowne Course of Nature for times yeares and seasons And some doe expressly reiect Astrologicall supposed significations The Knight will haue it only for Astrologicall significations Sir doe you thinke in your inward iudgement that God hath written a Booke in the Heauens onely for the vnderstanding of Astrologers If this signification bee such as you would haue it it is onely for Astrologers for none other can open the significations that you meane and yet you know many Doctors doubt whether the Astrologers can open them This is your Diuinity But we thinke that it may much better become a Christian Knight to take Diuinity as the Church receiueth it then to make it new Some expound these signes of the moments of times some of seasons

reuealed will His reuealed will was to Abraham that Isaac should bee offered in a Sacrifice yet God wrought against it Nay the case may bee so that the will of God and the will of man may bee contrary one to the other and yet both good The Father lyeth vpon his death-bed the Sonnes will and desire is that the Father should liue and this desire of the Sonne is agreeable to Gods reuealed will for that reuealed will containeth what wee ought to doe But Gods secret will is contrary to this desire of the Sonne and the Father dyeth will this Gentleman accuse God because hee concurreth to some effects against his reuealed will When Adulterie is committed and Bastards begotten it is against the reuealed will of God But hee that shall affirme that God hath no will nor power nor part in genegation shall take away part of his power and giue it to some other thing and so make moe Gods The people and principall of Israell conspired to put Christ to death this was an vnlawfull action Now hee that shall say that the hand and Counsell of God did not concurre in this action shall denye the plaine Scripture Act. 4. 27. Herod and Pontius Pilate with the Gentiles and people of Israell gathered themselues together to doe whatsoeuer thy hand and counsell had determined before to bee done Neither doth it follow hereby that God doth aduance the credit of an vnlawfull practise to the derogation of his glory for God ordereth all things in nature himselfe being pure from sinne and punisheth all sinners punishing both Adulterers and Astrologers But when I say that God ordereth all things in nature this doth not teach Astrologicall Predictions which are out of the compasse of nature No better is that Theologie which hee vttereth Pag. 480. There is no place in Scripture in which blasphemy is named but doth describe it to be a verball iniury vttered in detestation of God Whence hee seeketh to proue that except it bee euill speaking of God himselfe it is no blasphemy His knowledge and sense in these things whereof hee is bold to speake is rather to bee pittied then refuted I tell you Sir that you doe nothing throughout your Booke but blaspheme when you speake euill of M. Chambers though then your intent is not to offer a verball iniury to God Yet when you speake euill of such as for conscience maintaine Gods truth and therefore speake euill of them because they maintaine the truth then you blaspheme This is true and if you repent not of this sinne you will finde it to bee true another day But therefore wee labour to doe this seruice both to the Truth and you that when the knowledge of your sinne is brought to your sight you may the sooner finde the way to repentance Now that blasphemy is not as you say onely a verball iniury vttered in detestation of God and so taken in euery Scripture where it is named but that it is also against the truth of God and against the Saints that maintaine the truth may appeare out of these places and many moe Act. 14. 45. When the Iewes saw the people they were full of enuy and spake against those things that were spoken of Paul 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is contradicting and blaspheming Act. 18. 6. When they resisted blasphemed he shooke his rayment S. Paul speaking of himselfe and other his fellow Apostles saith Rom. 3. 8. We are blasphemed And 1. Cor. 4. 13. Being blasphemed we pray And 1. Cor. 10. 30. For if I through Gods benefit bee partaker why am I blasphemed for that wherefore I giue thanks To omit many places they are also said to blaspheme who dissemble in hypocrisie making shew of an holy Profession themselues being vnholy Apoc. 2●…9 I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Iewes are not but are the Synagogue of Sathan Which place●… I note the rather because the Knight out of his wor●…ed confidence doth boldly giue it out that there is not one place of Scripture where blasphemy is named but it doth describe it to be a verbal iniury vttered in detesta tion of God If the places of Scripture were numbred there will be more found against this then for it But his aduantage is he is no professed Diuine therfore may erre in these points and we must pardon the imperfections of a Knight in Diuinity Which kinde of pleading as I would neuer deny to a man that did descry a sound minde or were compelled to write so if our Knight looke for the same fauour we may iustly answere him as Cato answered A. Posthumius Albinus who being Cos. wrote some Romane Stories in Greeke desiring all men to beare with his imperfections Because quoth he I am a Romane and therefore of me the exact knowledge of the Greek tongue is not to bee required But Cato told him that this was but trifling to intreat pardon when he might haue beene without fault For who compelled him to doe that for which hee thought fit to craue pardon so may we say to the Knight by silence hee might haue beene blamelesse By writing so vnskilfully of vnknowne tihngs vpon hope of pardon because his place requireth not such exact skill in Diuinity and of by vpholding a corrupt cause hee hath shut himselfe from the benefite of that fauour which otherwise he might looke for And if ignorance bee to bee excused in a Christian Knight I should rather excuse ignorance in Astrologie then in Diuinity But must wee pardon this also which followeth Where M. Chambers had found fault with one for ascribing so much to numbers t●…t therby he thought to attain●… 〈◊〉 mystery of hi●…●…tion and to haue his name registred in the 〈…〉 God The Knight defending that irreligious speech writeth thus Pag. ●…19 It 〈…〉 to him that is not blind by malice ●…at hee intendeth nothing in that Hyperbolicall and excessiue speech but such a sequestration of our thoughts from all materiall things as thereby wee may the more freely contemplate the mystery of the Trinity in Vnity vntill through our whole conuersion to the same wee come to bee registred in the number of those that are sealed to saluation Thus farre the Knight If any man contradict this Gentleman he is presently charged to be blinded with malice And yet M. Chambers did not intend to contradict him but opened an irreligious speech of another But the Knight will take the defence of all vpon him It were to bee wished that hee would deale more aduisedly and not take vpon him the defence of euery foolish Astrologer Wee hope vpon better aduice hee will thinke least malice in such as deale most plainly with him And truely if wee should suffer such prophane speeches to passe without reprehension it were enough to spill him Wee reproue that prophane speech your Defence makes the speech no better but your selfe worse then wee tooke you For you tell vs that by that Hyperbolicall and excessiue