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intercession_n of_o saint_n the_o heal_n of_o disease_n and_o such_o like_a if_o all_o this_o be_v beside_o and_o against_o the_o intention_n of_o jesus_n chrrist_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o it_o be_v a_o abuse_n to_o convert_v it_o to_o other_o use_n the_o council_n of_o trent_n do_v excommunicate_v those_o that_o hold_v this_o to_o be_v evil_a it_o will_v be_v know_v whether_o this_o council_n be_v allow_v by_o the_o apostolic_a church_n the_o grecian_n 13_o say_v that_o in_o their_o liturgy_n they_o make_v mention_n and_o remembrance_n of_o the_o saint_n but_o this_o be_v not_o to_o say_v that_o they_o think_v that_o the_o liturgy_n be_v ordain_v to_o that_o end_n likewise_o although_o that_o the_o armenian_n do_v kiss_n and_o salute_v one_o another_o in_o the_o liturgy_n yet_o no_o man_n will_v impute_v unto_o they_o that_o they_o do_v believe_v that_o it_o be_v institute_v for_o to_o kiss_v &_o salute_v one_o another_o if_o the_o roman_a catholic_n can_v show_v that_o the_o 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language_n as_o latin_a or_o any_o other_o and_o whether_o the_o people_n ought_v to_o read_v the_o holy_a scripture_n or_o hear_v it_o read_v the_o east_n churches_n belon_n 12._o when_o the_o priest_n in_o armenia_n read_v the_o gospel_n the_o attendant_n do_v salute_v one_o another_o both_o on_o the_o right_a hand_n and_o on_o the_o left_a every_o one_o understanding_n the_o armenian_a tongue_n in_o which_o language_n it_o be_v always_o read_v vilamont_n 22._o the_o jacobite_n do_v use_v many_o language_n according_a to_o the_o several_a province_n where_o they_o inhabit_v have_v nevertheless_o one_o particular_a language_n which_o they_o use_v only_o in_o divine_a service_n but_o what_o language_n it_o be_v i_o can_v not_o discover_v idem_fw-la 23._o the_o nestorian_n use_v the_o chaldean_a language_n in_o their_o liturgy_n or_o divine_a service_n and_o in_o their_o scripture_n idem_fw-la ibidem_fw-la the_o armenian_n can_v speak_v diverse_a language_n but_o in_o their_o divine_a 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