though we cannot point out the time when euery point began to be changed Tertullian f Tertul. praeser aduersus Haeret. cap. 32 saith sufficiently The very doctrine it selfe being compared with the Apostolicke by the diuersity and contrariety thereof will pronounce that it had for Author neither any Apostle nor any Apostolicall man Jf g Mat. 19.8 from the beginning it was not so and now it is so there is a change h 1 Cor. 11.28 All drinke of that Cup now all must not all then prayed in knowen tongues with vnderstanding and all publicke seruice done to edification i 1 Cor. 14. See B. White against Fisher pag. 128. this is altered though when the alteration began we neither know nor need take paines to search §. 6. The Romanists say Our Doctrine is new can they shew it to be later then the Apostles times wee hold the Hebrew Canon of the Old Testament that is so many bookes Canonicall as the Hebrewes and with them the Fathers accounted Canonicall and no more If this be an errour let them shew who began it and when as we can shew when and by what meanes many Apocryphall writings were added to the Canon We hold the Hebrew of the old the Greeke of the New Testament to be most Authenticall and all translations to be corrected by them Who began this heresie and when they preferre the vulgar Latin before them contrary to equity and antiquity We commend the holy Scriptures to all Gods people of all Nations in all languages we hold that God forbiddeth the worshipping of Images That a man is iustified by faith without the workes of the Law and yet that good workes are necessary fruits of faith without which faith is dead we administer the whole Communion in both kindes to all Gods people let them shew the time when these heresies or abuses began or else either cease to call vs heretickes for them or grant that heresies may creepe in they know not when nor how §. 7. All this notwithstanding D. Favour Antiquity triumphing ouer nouelty cap. 17 pag. 433. we are able to shew by approued Histories the age and time when many of the fowlest corruptions became notorious in the Church and how they were opposed Doctor Favour sheweth some as the Supremacy of the Pope Transubstantiation The Worshipping of Angels an old heresie a new piety The substance and parts of the Masse The Diuine worship of the Virgin Mary aboue a creature The worship of the Crosse Single life of the Clergy Abstinence from certaine meates and on certaine dayes Seuen Sacraments Images and their worship Indulgences or Pardons Communicating without the Cup Auricular Confession and diuers other things Bishop Vsher answering the Jrish Iesuites Challenge sheweth the same very fully in many points So do most of our other learned Authors and most plentifully in a continued historicall Narration that learned French Noble man Philip Morney Morney Mysterium Iniquitat Praefat. Lord of Plessis in his Mysterium Iniquitatis But of particular points I shall speake more fitly in their proper place if you desire it §. 8. And now for a conclusion of this point and for full answer to your challenge of antiquity I demaund where was there any Church in the world for 600. yeares after Christ which worshipped Images as the Roman Church doth now where was any Church for a thousand yeares that called the little hone their Lord thought it to be God and adored it as God or for 12 hundred yeares that kept their God in a boxe and carried it about in procession to be worshipped and appointed peculiar office or seruice vnto it and without receiuing it offered it vp before the people as a propitiatory sacrifice for the quicke and the dead or that bereaued the people of the Cup in the holy Communion and made it heresie to teach otherwise or that receiued Transubstantiation for an Article of faith or that accused the Scriptures of Insufficiency and ambiguity and held the reading thereof dangerous to the faithfull forbidding it by publike decree vnder great punishment Where was there any Church for 600 yeares that beleeued the Pope of Rome to be the vniuersall Bishop and that all power of Orders and Iurisdiction for all Churches in the world is to be deriued and receiued from him where for a thousand yeeres any Church acknowledged the Pope to be an earthly Prince or aboue all Christian Princes girt with both swords and had power to vnbind subiects from their oathes of Alleageance to their Princes to depose Princes and place others in their roomes or in 12 hundred yeares that held the Pope to be aboue the vniuersall Church and aboue the generall Councels and that hee onely had authority to call Councels to ratifie of nullifie whatsoeuer pleased him in them or that he could dispose of the state of soules by the manner or measure of his Indulgences or Pardons shutting Purgatory and opening Heauen to those he liked or would pay for it making Saints whom he pleased to be prayed vnto and worshipped and whom he pleased sending downe to Hell or Purgatory Concil Trident. Sess or that he could dispence with the Lawes of God binding where God had loosed or loosing where God had bound as in Matrimoniall causes and degrees in diners kinds of oathes and such like Or where was any face of a Church vntill within these few yeares so glorious with a Princely Senate of Cardinalls equals if not superiors to Kings making an earthly Kingdome of the Church with the transcendent greatnesse of the triple crowned Pope Fryars began Anno 1220. Iesuites 1530. those swarmes of late Fryars and later Iesuites and Seminary Priests which some make to be the Locusts Reuel 9 3 darkning the Sunne and the ayre Luther in conference with Vergerius the Popes Nuncio among other things told him plainly None could call his Doctrine new Hist concil Trent lib. 1. pag. 76. but he that beleeued that Christ the Apostles and the holy Fathers liued as now the Pope Cardinals and Bishops doe To conclude In these and such like thâ—ngs the Church of Rome hath no antiquity neither succeeds the Apostles and the Primitiue Church otherwise then darknesse suceeeds the light sicknesse succeeds health and as Antichrist must succeed Christ in the Temple of God and may sit in Christs or S. Peters seat as God or aboue God Antiquus It is easier to shew dislâ—ke then disproofe of these things But when you say The most of the corruptions as you call them crept in secretly and insensibly you seeme to grant that some of them came in openly and were obserued Antiquissimus Yea and strongly opposed too as our learned Authors do plentifully shew and I shall by Gods blessing shew afterwards when we come to the particulars but for the present let this generall answer satisfie your generall doubt Antiquus Satisfie me in another generall question also If there were such corruptions in
to whom all things are referred Sixt. God is the giuer of all righteousnesse holines and grace He forgiueth sinnes and restoreth sinners by the grace of adoption to his fauour and friendship Seuenth God is the bestower of eternall glory and heauenly felâ—city in whom the highest happinesse of blessed soules consisteth Of the other seauen Articles concerning the humane Nature The First sheweth that the Sonne of God for our sakes debased himselfe from Heauâ—n to these inferior parts descended and assumed the humâ—ne Nature and coupled it to himselfe with a maruelous knot and bond in such sort that after that coniunction there was one person of both subsisting in two Natures diuine and humane and therefore in time he was conceiued without Father of an vncorrupt Virgin the power of the holy Ghost so working in her that the word was made flesh and God Man The Second sheweth the same Sonne of God taking humane Nature of the vndefiled Virgin was borne into the world in such sort that Many was at once the Mother of God and a pure V rgin The Third sheweth how Chriâ—â— our Lord did most excellently performe the office of teaching working miracles died and made his end vnder Pilate the Iudge and President and vnder him endured an vniust condemnation and suffered the most shamefull kinde of punishment of the crosse and sustayned the most bitter death for vs and refused not buriall offered vnto him in another Mans sepulcher The Fourth article teacheth how Christ after he had died vpon the crosse descended in his soule into * Or the lower parts inferoâ— hell both that he might shew himselfâ— conquerour of death and Diuells and also the dâ—liuerer of the Fathers there detayned and in his body he lay three dayes in the sepulcher The Fifth professeth that Christ the third day returning conquerâ—nâ— from the lower parts to lâ—fe immortall and full of glory by his owne force and power did rise from the dead The Sixt sheweth how Christ hauing performed the worke of Mans redemption the fortieth day after his resurrection by his owne power ascended into heauen that in his humane Nature he might be exalted aboue all things and he aboue all might be chiefly worshipped of all who sits in heauen at the right hand of the power of God and as God exercising equall power with the Father and shining with diuine Maiesty The Seuenth article setteth out the last Iudgement day when Christ in his humane Flesh shall descend againe from the highest heauen and performing the office of the terrible Iudge of the whole earth shall openly render vnto euery one according as he hath done in his body whether it be good or euill before whose tribunall all men both good and euill shall stand whether that day of Iudgement finde them yet aliue in the flesh or dead before These 14 articles I haue set downe at large and in the full wordes of Azorius not that I approue euery word and point therin but to shew what is the generall doctrine of the present Roman Church what and how much is necessary for euery man to know and to beleeue explicitè to his saluation Note he is said to beleeue explicitè who assenteth to any thing that is told him or which he conceiueth in his thought and hee beleeueth implicitè which beleeueth any thing in generality and in that thing beleeueth many other things which are contained in it as when a man beleeueth all things which the Church beleeueth Azor ib. cap. 6. in calce Thus saith Azorius out of Gabriel the Schoolman §. 3. Abundant in superfluis deficiunt in necessarijs Beâ—â— sâ—prâ— l tâ—k See â—ellar in thâ—t chapter at large First These Articles vpon due consideration will bee found to haue two faults they containe too much and too little Too much for all things in them are not taught in the Scriptures as namely that of the fourth Article of the Humanity that Christ descended into hell to deliuer the Fathers there detained as by Bellarmines confession and the ancient Fathers testimonies they should be Costerus â—uchir cap. 1. pag. 49. § Caterum Costerus the Iesuite saith also that the chiefe heads of faith necessary for all Christians to know and to beleeue vnto saluation are plainly enough contained in the Apostles writings Secondly these Articles also containe too little for here want somethings that are deliuered in the Apostles Creed which Creed was ordained for the necessary instruction of all Christians and called Symbolum a badge or signe to dâ—stinguish Christians from Infidels and wicked people Axor ib. cap. 5. § Postremo obâ—â—tes There were indeed three Symboles or Creedes receiued in the Church for briefe comprehensions of the publicke necessary doctrines thereof for all Christ ans to know and professe the Apostlâ—s Creed the Nâ—cene and Athanasius his Creed which three do not containe diuers doctrines but rather one and the same faith set forth more largely oâ— briefly â—n more or fewer words more cleerely and distinctly to confute heresies as they sprung vp in the Church In these Creedes we are taught that there is one holy Catholicke Church and Communion of Saints c. which in these fourteene Articles are not mentioned Thirdly Besides some other things which the Romanists account very necessary Articles of their faith as that of transubstantiation that of Purgatory that of the Popes supremacy which they haue wholly left out as they haue done also the worshipping of Images Inuocation of Saints Prayer for the dead and generally all other things almost which wee refuse shewing thereby and so much gratifying vs that in their own iudgement these things are not necessary for ordinary Christians to beleeue to saluation Fourthly and the view of these Articles may confirme any man in the sufficiency of the Protestants Religion because they stedfastly beleeue excepting that one clause of one of them all these Articles which the Romanists themselues say are sufficient for saluation Neither doe the Protestants hold any thing at all that crosseth them §. 4. But Bellarmine touching vpoÌ„ this point Bellar. De verbo Dei lib. 4. c. 11. initio in answering to Irenaeus and diuers other Fathers that say The Apostles wrote all that they preached saith more briefely There are some things simply necessary for all men to saluation as the knowledge of the Articles of the Apostles Creed and of the ten Commandements and of some Sacraments other things are not so necessary that without the manifest knowledge faith and profession of them a man cannot be saued if so be that hee haue a ready will to receiue and beleeue them when they shall be lawfully propounded vnto him by the Church And this distinction saith he is gathered from hence that without the knowledge and faith of the Mysteries of the first kinde no man of a ripe Age is admitted to Baptisme but without the knowledge and Faith at least explicit of the latter men were ordinarily
would to God the forme of beleeuing were fetched from the Primitiue Church Thus saith Staâ—pulensis By which rule iustified by our Aduersaries we conclude that the holy Church of God need not receiue or beleeue any of those things following to wit Purgatory Inuocation of Saints departed worshipping of Images Auricular confession the Popes pardons Transubstantiation the Masse to be truely and properly a propitiatory sacrifice to be offered both for the quicke and the dead the Sacrament without Communicants and Communion vnder one kinde without the Cup to be sufficient for Lay people reseruation of the Sacrament and eleuation thereof to be worshipped and circumgestation in Procession for pompe and adoration Matrimony and extreme Vnction to be properly Sacraments of the New Testament and to conferre grace single life necessary to be imposed vpon the Clergy All which and more your Iesuite Azorius reckons for Traditions vnwritten p Azorius Institutionum lib 8. cap. 4. §. 3. seq Also that the Church of Rome is head of all â—hurches and that all Christians must fetch their Faith their Orders and iurisdiction from it that the Bishop thereof cannot erre in matters of faith or interpreting the Scriptures See more of this point Rainold Hart confer chap. 5. diuision 1. pag. 184 c. And chap. 8. divis 1. pag. 462. c. The Scriptures teach no such thing and therefore we need not beleeue it 5 We being constant to the former rule for the sufficiency of the Scriptures in matters of faith and good life further admit of some kind of Trad tions to wit first Doctrinall traditions agreeing with the Scriptures or thence truly deducted q Many Fathers call the whole Word of God which by some holy men guided by Gods Spirit was let downe in writing and by them also others deliuered to the people by liuely voyce A tradition which the Church must preseruâ— and also the forme of wholesome words Creeds Catechismes c. thence deducted 2 Tim. 1.13 Rom. 6 17. See Rain Hart. c. 8. d. 1. p 466 467. So the baptisme of Infants if not coÌ„manded in plaine words yet plainly deducted from Scripture Gen. 17.12 13. Col. 2.11 1â— Act. 2.38 39. Luke 18.16 Mar. 10.16 Mat. 19.14 18 14. 1 Cor. 7.14 Mat. 28.19 The doctrine of the Trinity the equality of three Diuine persons in one substance and the distinction by incommunicable proprieties Gen. 1.1 26. Mat. 3.16 Iob. 1.32 Mat. 17 5 28.29 2. Cor. 13.13 1 Iâ—b 5.7 Psal 2.7 Heb. â— 3 5. 7.3 Col. 1.15 The proceeding of the holy Gâ—ost from the Father and the Son as from one beginning and one spiration from all eternity Ioh. 14.26 15.26 16.13 14. Rom. 8.9 Secondly rituall traditions for order and decency left to the disposition of the Church being not of Diuine but of positiue and humane right r 1 Cor. 14.40 11.2 Acts 15 â—0 So they be not childish or trifling nor accounted parts of Gods worship nor with opinion of merit nor burthensome for their mâ—ltitude Å¿ Of the multitude S. Augustine complained in his time Epist 119. ad â—anuar c. 19. See D. Ram. Hart c. 8. div 4. p. 599. seq The first of these no man allowes and commends more then we and the second kind wee retaine and vse with reuerence such as are profitable and comely in our times and countries without condemning other Churches differing from ours in such matters as we find Saint Ambrose and Saint Augustine did Aug. Epist 188. But a third kind of Traditions obtruded for Articles of Religion grounds of Faith and part of Gods worship neither contained expresly in Gods word nor thence deducted by any sound inference and yet receiued by the Councell of Trent Sess 4. with the same authority and reuerence that the holy Scriptures are receiued those we gainesay as things derogating to the verity sufficiency and perfection of the Scriptures And herein your Romish Writers deale fraudulenly against vs and deceiue the world for they alleadge the Fathers speaking of the first kind of Traditions as if they spake of all whereas indeed they write very strongly and sharply against this third kind which wee refuse Bishop Vsher in his booke against the Jrish Iesuite pag. 36. seq alleadgeth a whole Iury of ancient Fathers testifying the sufficiency of the Scriptures for matters of Faith Tertullian Origen Hippolitus the Martyr Athanasius Ambrose Hilary Basil Gregory Nissen Jerom Augustine Cyril Theodoret. So that the Traditions which they vrge we alow and those that we deny they write sharpely against The Fathers say your Rom sh are not of the Protestants Church because they vrge Traditions but wee say more truely The Fathers are not of the Romish Church because they teach the Scripture is sufficient and needs no Traditions to supply their defect as the Romish teach When Bellarmine and your other Doctors are pressed with the authority of the Fathers they are compelled to yeelâ— vnto vs the sufficiency of the Scriptures as I alleadged artic 4. but obserue their vnconstancy lest they should ouerthrow thereby the manifold doctrines held by their Church that haue no ground in the Scriptures they are faine to maintaine also vnwritten Traditions to bee the grounds of those Doctrines See more of this point in Mr. Perkins Reformed Catholicke the 7 point B. Morton Apol. Cathol part 2. lib. 1. cap. 32. seq And Protestants Appeal lib. 2. cap. 25. D. Field of the Church Booke B. Vsher in his answer to the Irish Iesuite Rainolds and Hart confer chap. 5. diuision 1. pag. 190. 6 We receiue and beleeue also the three Creeds The Apostles the Nicene and that of Athanasius t These are in our Bookes of publicke prayer and booke of Articles of anno 1562 art 8 and subscribed vnto by all Ministers and the foure generall Councels of the Primitiue Church as good formes of true Christian Doctrine deductions and explications of Scripture u Acknowleeged by King Iames in his Praemonitiâ—n to all Christian Monarâ—s p. 35. and by our Acts of Parliament You receiue the same also but you adde a thirteenth article decreed to be an article of Faith thirteene hundred yeares after Christ by a thirteenth Apostle Pope Boniface the eight x Boniface 8. liued an 13â—â— his Decree runs thus Subesse Romano Pontâ—fici omni humanae creaturae declaramus dicimus desinimus pronunciamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis Thus Boniface 8 in extrauag de majoritate obedientia cap. vnam santaâ— That it is necessary to saluation to be subiect to the Bishop of Rome which is neither in the Scriptures ancient Creeds nor ancient Fathers nor can be thence deducted And you haue further also dately added 12 new Articles by the authority of Pope Pius 4. anno 1564 raised out of the Councell of Trent and added to the Nicene Creed to be receiued with oath as the true Catholicke Faith to bee
in controuersies of Faith which heretofore was the office of Councels by the word of God but this power and right Bellarmine drawes out of the word Feed Men wonder at the Popes Immunity from error and infallibility in points of Faith but Bellarmine also rayseth it out of the words Feed my sheepe Men wonder at the Popes clayme of power of many ages neuer heard of to make Lawes in the Church to binde conscience yea as some say to make new Articles of Faith but this also Bellarmine findes in the same words Feed my Sheepe They that are practised in reading the Scriptures and Fathers wonder at the superabundant merits of the Saints which the Pope dispenseth at his pleasure but let them cease to wonder the Scripture giues it to the Pope in that word of Christ to Peter Feed my Sheepe For so teacheth Bellarmine in his booke of Indulgence Those that will not be rebels to their Prince the Lords annoynted wonder and that with indignation that the Pope corrupted by his flatterers should assume to himselfe a power to transferre kingdomes absolue subiects from the oath of fidelity and make Kings no Kings but this power of the Pope Bellarmine and others extract out of the word Feed Nay there want not them that gather out of the same word a power in the Pope to chastise with temporall punishments yea with death such Princes as are vndutifull to him So taught Becanus and Suarez famous Iesuites in their most infamous bookes such things writes Casaubon If the word Feed should signifie all these it would be very inconuenient for the Pope for then all Ministers which are bidden feed * Acts 20.28 1 Pet. 5.2 should haue all that power and priuiledges which the Pope by that word challengeth The Fathers tooke the meaning of Christ to be onely feed by doctrine and that they bet vpon and vrged See Tortura Torti p. 52 seq the Pope takes it to gouerne Regio moro impera Indeed the greeke word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 though most commonly it signifie to feed yet sometimes signifies to gouerne but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 alwayes to feed Yet marke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is twice in the Text for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 once but they catch at gouernment and let goe feeding what Christ meant not nor Peter euer vsed that they lay hold on gouerning the whole Church the feeding that Christ meant and Peter vsed they leaue to others to labour in the Word and Doctrine is too laborious a feeding for them and the Friars or Iesuits to whom they leaue that labour feed vere strangely It is strange feeding to teach men to be Law-breakers vow-breakers Oath-breakers breakers of all Lawes and duties this is not to feed the sheepe but to scatter them to kill their leaders tread downe their pastures muddy their waters stop vp their wells not to feed but either to starue or to poyson them In like manner they make Receiue the keyes of the Kingdome of heauen to bee also exclude from the kingdomes of the earth Christ restraines the keyes to sinnes Iohn 20.23 Whose sinnes ye loose they extend them to Lawes Othes and Vowes Whatsoeuer thou bindest that is whatsoeuer league of wickednesse conspiracy treason rebellion thou tyest shall be ratified in heauen and whatsoeuer thou loosest be it bonds of Lawes duty faith oath obedience or allegiance it shall be loosed in heauen If this be so Christ should rather haue said to Peter Luk. 12.32 When thou art not conuerted but preuerted by such Doctrine strengthen thy brethren strengthen thy brethren in euill in their euils with hope of rewards from God for breaking his Lawes This is most damnable doctrine not onely against Gods word and the analogy of Faith but against common ciuility sence and reason Thus they abuse the Scripture to wrong purposes and peruert it contrary to the meaning to strengthen euill §. 9. Antonim suma mai dist 22 c. 5. Psal 8. ver 7 8. Marta Par. 1. c. 24. Tortura Torti pag. 177. Some haue very ridiculously turned the eighth Psalme to serue the Popes turne Thou hast put all things vnder his feet that is vnder the Popes gouernment all sheepe and Oxen and the beasts of the field that is men on earth the fowles of the ayre that is Angels the fishes of the sea that is soules in purgatory And lately D. Marta out of the same Psalme very seriously brings both Christians and Saracens vnder the Popes power for sheepe saith he signifies Christians and oxen Saracens and so he makes the Pope not onely a sheephard but a Neat-heard much like to that of Lumbard Sent. lib. 3. d 25. Aquin. 2. 2. q. 2. art 6. interpreting a sentence of Iob 1.14 The Oxen were plowing and the Asses feeding in their places the oxen plowing that is saith he the Priests reading the Scriptures Archb. Abbot ag Hill Reason 8. §. 5. the Asses feeding are the people not troubling their heads with such matters but content to beleeue in grosse as the Church beleeues A trim text and finely applied to keepe the people from reading the Scriptures Such lewd childish and ridiculous expounding and alleadging of Scriptures shewes first their want of Scripture proofes for the maintenance of their errors secondly their bad mindes striuing against their owne knowledge and conscience to blind and gull the world with a false shew of Scriptures when in truth the whole Scriptures are rather against them thirdly the base opinion they had of people and Princes too whom they thought they could coozen with any false shadowes The obseruing whereof Bedel letters to Wadsworth pag. 62. 64. 66. Carerius de potestate Pape l. 2 cap. 12 â—x C. Solitae de maior obed Morton Appeal l. 5. cap. 26. sect 1. not onely in their other Authors but euen in their Decretals is able alone to make a man hate Popery For example in the Decretals Deus fecit duo magna luminaria God made two great lights that is the Pope and the Emperor and that the Pope is so much bigger then the Emperor as the Sunne is bigger then the Moone which Clauius saith is 6539. times and one fift A notable text to shew the Popes greatnesse aboue the Emperour and that the Emperour receiues all his power and glory from the Pope as the Moone doth her light from the Sunne and is light onely on that side that is toward the Sunne and darke on the side that is auerse Also Mat 16.18 alleadging that text Tu es Petrus super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam meam The Lord saith he taking Peter into the fellowship of the vndiuided vnity oh foule blasphemy would haue him to be called that which he was himselfe that the building of the eternall temple might by the maruelous gift of God Cap. FundamentuÌ„ de clect in 6 consist in Peters firmnesse that from Peter as a certain head he should as it were
Paragraph Of the differences of Fathers and Protestants and of their contentions Page 236 Paragraph § 1 Many Fathers are confessed by all sides to haue held some erronious opinions which none are bound to receiue and yet in the substance of Religion were good Catholick Christians and our Predecessors Page 236 Paragraph § 2 Many differences also are noted among Romish Doctors which yet hinder them not from being all accounted Catholicks Page 243 Paragraph § 3 The differences among Protestants are nothing so great or many as those afore noted of the Fathers and of the Romish the especiall one about the manner how Christ is present in the blessed Sacrament is much lesse then it seemeth Page 248 Paragraph § 4 The popes vnwillingnesse to reforme manifest abuses by the way of generall Councels was the cause of all differences in Reformed Churches when each seuerall state was compelled to reforme a part without sufficient generall consultations with other Nations Page 250 Paragraph § 5 The Protestants contentions for Gods cause as they take it are nothing so hote or troublesome is the contentions of many ancient holy Fathers haue beene about smaller matters View the examples Page 253 CHAP. 4. Paragraph Of the rule to iudge the soundnesse and purity of all Christians and Churches by Page 261 This Chapter hath foure sections Page 261 Paragraph The first section of the rule vsed in the Primitiue Church Page 261 Paragraph The second of the Rule enlarged and approued in this Age. Page 268 Paragraph The third of obiections arising from the former discourses and their answeres Page 280 Paragraph The fourth of the necessity of preaching still to them that hold this rule Page 288 The first section Paragraph § 1 The rule in generall Page 261 Paragraph § 2 Opened by distinctions of the foundation of Religion Page 262 Paragraph § 3 A necessity of a short rule drawne out of the Scriptures Page 262 Paragraph § 4 This rule is described by S. Paul Page 263 Paragraph § 5 The practise of it by the Apostles who deliuered the most necessary fundamentall points to the Iewes and then baptized them Page 265 Paragraph § 6 The like practise vsed by the following Primitiue Church to their Catechumeni before Baptisme Page 266 The second section Paragraph § 1 The rule enlarged and approued in this Age. Page 268 Paragraph § 2 By Azorius out of the Schoole-Diuines in 14 Articles Page 269 Paragraph § 3 Some obseruations and censures of those 14 Articles Page 272 Paragraph § 4 The rule set downe by Bellarmine more briefely Page 273 Paragraph § 5 By Doctor Field farre more sufficiently in 6 Articles with his iudgement of the deductions therefrom euident or obscure Page 274 Paragraph § 6 Bishop Vshers distinction of superstructions vpon the foundation Page 277 Paragraph § 7 Consequents of this doctrine Page 278 The third section Paragraph § 1 Obiection If holding the foundation will serue then wee may easily obtaine saluation in the Church of Rome Page 280 Paragraph § 2 Answer The Church of Rome holds many things which by consequent destroyes the foundation by the most moderate Master Hookers iudgement Page 281 Paragraph § 3 Obiection This crosseth what was said before That many before Luthers time might be saued in the Roman Church Answ No for they liued in those errours of ignorance not obstinacy and not knowing any dangerous consequence of them Page 282 Paragraph § 4 Such men by particular repentance of sinnes knowne and generall repentance of vnknowne might by Gods mercy be saued Page 284 Paragraph § 5 Obseruations hereof Page 285 Paragraph § 6 Other learned Protestants ioyne in opinion with Master Hooker Page 286 The fourth section Paragraph § 1 There is a necessity or great profit of preaching euen to them that are well grounded in all necessary principles Page 288 Paragraph § 2 As Israel needed all helpes after the giuing of the Law and all were too little Page 289 Paragraph § 3 The profits of preaching in generall Page 290 Paragraph § 4 Some particulars for continuall spirituall food cordiall medicine and comfort memory armour c. Page 290 Paragraph § 5 The continuall need thereof was found in all Churches planted euen by the Apostles and in their times Page 292 CHAP. 4. Paragraph Of the succession of the Protestants Bishops and Ministers from the Apostles Page 296 Paragraph Section 1. The necessity thereof vrged without which there can be no Church Page 296 Paragraph 2 This succession is clamourously denyed to Protestants Page 299 Paragraph 3 But manifestly proued and the slanders confuted Page 300 Paragraph 4 Particularly in Cranmer our first Archbishop Page 302 Paragraph 5 In other Bishops of King Henry 8 his time Page 304 Paragraph 6 And of King Edward 6. and of Queene Maries time Page 306 Paragraph 7 And of Queene Elizabeths time Page 306 Paragraph 8 The false reports whereof doe alienate many from the Reformed Religion Page 309 Paragraph 9 A proofe of the sufficient ordination of Ministers in forraigne Reformed Churches Page 310 Paragraph 10 Which is further confirmed by the doctrine and practise of the Romish Page 312 CHAP. 6. Paragraph Of the Popes supremacy challenged ouer the whole Church page 1 Paragraph § 1 The necessity thereof vrged as the maine pillar of Religion Page 1 Paragraph § 2 The matter and method of the Answer propounded Page 4 Paragraph § 3 The ancient Church yeelded to Rome as the greatest and most honourable City of the world and seat of the Empire to haue the dignity of one of the fiue Patriarcks Page 5 Paragraph § 4 And among the Patriarkes sometime the first or chiefest place Page 6 Paragraph § 5 Which dignity the ambition and couetousnesse of following popes haue much impaired Page 8 Paragraph § 6 And haue challenged that dignity which was anciently yeelded vnto their predecessors for their sanctity and for politicke reasons and much more also by authority of the Scriptures But Bellarmine gathering the pith of all learned writers can finde no strengh in them by any Scriptures to maine the Papacy as in their chiefest places Matth. 16.18 Page 11 Paragraph § 7 And Iohn 21.15 c. Page 16 Paragraph § 8 Obserue the Romish strange extractions out of the words Feed my Sheep Page 18 Paragraph § 9 And other learned-foolish allegations of other Scriptures Page 20 Paragraph § 10 The Scripture against the supremacy of Peter Page 23 Paragraph § 11 And the fathers are vrged for it vainely beyond their meaning Page 24 Paragraph § 12 The Fathers are manifestly against it Page 29 Paragraph § 13 Saint Peters prerogatiues were personall and descended not to his successors Page 32 Paragraph § 14 The conclusion collecting the parts of this Chapter briefly and Iustifying the Protestants Page 35 CHAP. 7. Of the Popes infallible Iudgement in guiding the Church by true Doctrine Paragraph § 1 Jt cannot be prooued by Scriptures or Fathers or by the Analogie to the chiefe Priests of the Old
Testament Page 40 Paragraph § 2 Neither is such infallibility now necessary in any man Page 44 Paragraph § 3 But if in any man most improbably in the Popes wherof some haue been children and many most wicked men and monsters of men Page 45 Paragraph § 4 And many Popes haue erred De facto in iudgment Page 50 Paragraph § 5 Which all the Romists distinctions and euasions cannot auoyd Page 51 Paragraph § 6 The manifold and manifest iudgement of Antiquity ouerthrowes this supposed infallibility Page 56 Paragraph For I. The ancients euer accounted the Popes fallible Page 56 Paragraph II. They neuer in their writings mentioned their infallibility Page 56 Paragraph III. But reiected often both their Jurisdiction and Iudgment Page 57 Paragraph IIII. If infallible iudgement in the pope had beene established and beleeued the Fathers studies and commentaries vpon the Scriptures had been needlesse Page 58 Paragraph V. And Councels had beene called to no purpose Page 58 CHAP. 8. Of the good which the Popes supremacy might doe to the Church and States by vniting Christian Princes among themselues and against the Turke Paragraph § 1 This is vrged Page 60 Paragraph § 2 But answered that policies agreeable to Gods word and the Primitiue Church onely are sufficient and blessed by God Page 61 Paragraph § 3 But this policy binding men to vnity vnder some one head might be set vp by any sect to maintaine any errors or wickednesse Page 62 Paragraph § 4 And experience hath proued it very vnprofitable and vntollerable to all Churches and states sauing to the Popes owne state wealth and greatnesse Page 63 Paragraph § 5 As is shewed by the miserable troubles in Christendome wrought by Hildebrand who first set vp the Popes Princedome as Onuphrius saith about eleuen hundred yeeres after Christ Page 64 Paragraph § 6 And by the voyages against the Turke which finally proued profitable to the Pope not to Christian Princes Page 68 Paragraph § 7 As appeareth by the Stories of Pope Gregory 9. and the Emperour Fredericke 2. Page 69 Paragraph § 8 And many other most wicked Popes Page 74 Paragraph § 9 The Emperour Phocas erred much in gouernment in making the Pope so great so farre from him For Popes shortly after proued Masters of mis-rule ejecting the Emperours out of Italy Page 76 Paragraph § 10 Their turbulent proceeding to dethrone Princes Page 78 Paragraph § 11 Their troubles wrought in England in King Henry the first his time by Anselm Archbishop of Canterbury In King Henrie the 2 his time by Becker In King Iohns time by Pope Innocent Page 80 Paragraph § 12 In these later times of Queene Elizabeth by the Bull of Pope Pius Quintus deposing her and by erecting at Rome and Rhemes Seminaries that is Schooles to breed Traitors and draw her subiects to disobedience treasons and rebellions Page 89 Paragraph A briefe enumeration of some treasons in Queene Elizabeths time The Rebellion in the North. Page 91 And other petty conspiracies Page 92 Sanders Page 93 Of Ormonds brethren Page 92 Of Stukely Page 93 Someruile Page 94 Motiues to the Ladies of Honour Page 94 Mendoza Page 94 Doctor Parry Page 95 Sauage Page 96 Aubespineus Page 96 The Spanish Armado Page 97 Squire Page 99 In the time of King Iames Watson Clark others Page 102 Throgmorton Page 94 Creighton the Iesuite Page 95 Percy Page 96 Ballard Page 96 Stanly and Yorke Page 97 Lopez Page 99 Tyrone Page 100 The Powder Treason Page 102 Paragraph § 13 Some obseruations out of these A good Christian abhorreth these Treasons and therefore cannot like of that doctrine that teacheth them Page 106 Paragraph § 14 Therefore euery good man is forced by reason to renounce to be an absolute Papist and therefore cannot thinke the doctrines grounded onely vpon the Popes authority without Scripture to be necessary and consequently must acknowledge that it is not necessary to bee a Roman-Catholicke Page 108 Paragraph The conclusion with a briefe Recapitulation of the whole precedent conference Page 110 Friendly Reader before thou readest these bookes amend with thy pen these grosser faults which most of them pervert the sense PAge 1. In the first line of the Text for notice read motiue p. 18. l. 29. r. vnder the persecuting Emp. p. 33. 4. then they gaue to other holy Bishops p. 45. 26. Of all the Bishops ib lin 27. first that trusting p. 76. maâ—g l. â— x. Boniface 8. liued anno 1300 p. 81. 6. and reciting ib. lin 8 pâ—lgrimages p. 85. 11. is insufficient to set vp p. 86. 14. there be not more care p 89. 17. but were built p. 98. 1. for the Pope ment p. 104. 14. and make of Christs milâ—tant Church a Church trâ—umphant vpon earth p. 109. lin vlt. maried p. 112. 25. hath worne a girdle p 1â—6 26. to the last times p. 152. 28. we propose p. 208. 17. per sacramentum memoriae celebratur p. 244. 34. for Stoiks read Scotâ—sts p. 246. 31. forâ—t is no indignity p. 264. 30. root author p. 126. 9. must be diminished p. 138. â— latent invisible Church p. 139. 25. it is not visible p. 274. 34. full of â—ighte 304 marg ad lin 22. ordinator hareticus verè In the second Alphabet CC. p. 33. lin â—4 put cut not p. 46. marg lin 26. Baronius anno 963. n. 17. p. 54. marg l 25. Anno a Christs natâ— 1033 a Christs passâ— 1000. Other faults there are scarce veniall which deserue correction Page 7. lin 27. read warres and dissentions p. 13. 13. Simon Magnus among them p. 14. 9. for saâ—th read truth p. 20. 8. from the first pure d. p. 31. 8. Church kingdome ib. lin 14. Cameracensis ib. l. vlt. large authors p. 37. 2â— Infallibitily p. 38. 13. decretal ib. l. 18. infamis ib. l. 19. choked ib. l. 25. saith this p. 40. 17. the ancient vitility p. 42. 14. Calosyria ib. l. 23. schism 1. ib. l. 30. in marg Greg. 7 libro p. 43. 12. Releherspergensis p. â—6 l. 12. and 18. Trithemius ib. l. 30. Schafnaburgensis p. 48 9. saith your Bish linea antepenult Valentianus p. 50. 18. into his mouth p. 51. l. vlt. foule and manifest p. 52. lin anteâ—en Patricius p. 51. 14. Diuinity p. 55. marg See these alleadged in my third booke p. 57. 14. this câ—â—cumgestation p. 60 8. Gualter Mapes p. 61. 24. Iohn Baâ—â—â—thorâ— p. 63. 15. Sodâ—â—â—â— dominatur p. 64 2. Lorell p 80. 26. anâ— beautifying all p 87. 16. abjuration p. 90 for Chap. 5. put § 5. p. 91. 2. robbers ib. l. â—â— acknowledged p 93 4. to the Pâ—pe To giue p. 96. put â—ut marg Annal. Elizabethae Camden Apparat. pag. 2. and place it pag. 97. against Pope Iulâ—us the 2. c. p. 99. 1. searching p. 101. 19. frustrated p. 115. 27. put out this dignity is not new saitâ— Bellarmine b. for it 500 yeeres old â—ut surely that is new that came not in till after twise 500 yeeres
nor grounded vpon the Scriptures we haue no reason to receiue as points necessary to saluation And the points tending to superstitâ—on corruption or deprauation of Gods honour Christs merits our owne saluation the disturbance of the peace or safety of Kingdomes States or Common-wealthes we worthily abrogate as intollerable and vnchristian And in these respects as you assume the title of Antiquus so doe I of Antiquissimus And let you know that e See D. Mortons Appeal lib. 4. cap. 16. sect 4. §. 10. our Church is no new Church deuised by Luther and other learned men and receiued by Princes affecting mutations neither euer was it their purpose to doe any such thing but faithfully and religiously to purge out new corruptions and to continue and maintaine the substance and whole essence of the old Church of God and all the sound Catholick Doctrines thereof comming along thorow so many ages from the first planting of the Church to their times §. 4. Read 2 Kings 1â— 4 5.6 and chap. 22. 23. No otherwise then the most religious Kings Hezekiah and Iosiah and other godly Rulers did in their dominions being moued by their learned Priests and by their knowledge of Gods Law who remoued the high places and brake the Images and cut downe the Groues spoyled the vessels made for Baal and for the Groues and for the hoste of heauen and put downe the Idolatrous Priests and the brazen Serpent also though at first it was made by Gods owne appointment erected to good purpose and was a figure of Christ because it was now growen to be an instrument and occasion of Idolatry but they preserued still the old Religion and seruice of God entire and whole and that much more pure then they found it This when they did can any man haue the forehead to say They erected a new Church when they onely purged and retained the old or shall we be reuiled and blamed for imitating Hezekias Josias and Iehoshaphat and in that for which they were much praised and honoured in the Scriptures §. 5. Obserue then here first the vanity and deceit of your Romish teachers that against their owne knowledge bewitch the simple people with this conceit that our Church forsooth is a new Church begun in Luthers time little aboue an hundred yeeres agone and was neuer seene nor heard of in the world before Whereas indeed there is no other difference betwixt the Roman Church and ours then betwixt a corrupt Church still maintaining her owne corruptions for worldly respects and a Church well reformed according to the Scriptures and the purest Primitiue Churches or betwixt the corrupt Idolatrous Church before Hezekiahs time 2 King 18. and the same Church reformed in and after his time I may compare the whole Church of CHRIST in all her ages to Naaman the Syrian 2 King 5. who was honourable for bringing safety to his Nation He was first pure and sound and did many honourable acts and thereby represented the Primitiue Church pure and cleane without spot or disease appearing howbeit there might be some secret seedes of diseases vnperceiued which in continuance of time grew into a visible leprosie In his middle time he became leprous diseased and deformed fowly infected in himselfe and infecting others and thereby represented the later Church of Rome Afterwards by the Prophets direction he was washed and cleansed from his leprosie and his flesh restored to become pure and perfect like the flesh of a yong childe and thereby represented our Reformed Churches And as Naaman in all these three estates was the same person and not a new diuerse or seuerall man for Elisha made not a new man but clensed the old of diseases and restored him to his first soundnesse so our Church is not a new Church but the old Church reformed from errours and corruptions and restored to her ancient purity and soundnesse Let the Church of Rome still glory in her leprosie and brag of the antiquity of some of her diseases we thanke God for our Churches clensing and the new restoring of it to the Primitiue purity §. 6. Secondly obserue that we haue not departed froÌ„ the sound parts of the Church of Rome it self for the leprosie thereof was not vniuersall nor spred ouer all there were many euen in the corruptest ages of that Church which taught the same sauing doctrine that we doe See Chap. following and misliked and wrote against the errours and abuses that wee refuse but our departure or separation is onely from the Papacy or Court of Rome which much oppressed the best members of the Church of Rome and instead of Christs heauenly Kingdome set vp and maintained an earthly ouertopping and abusing all other Christian Kingdomes or our departure is from that domineering faction in the Church which like an ill disease and botch in the body intolerably oppressed the Church by imposing vpon it errours in doctrine and tyranny in gouernment But to the sound members of that Church both of ancient and moderne times we are still conioyned and vnited and herein their and our Church continued alwayes sufficiently visible §. 7. Thirdly obserue as a consequent of the former that our Church is so farre from being new that it is most ancient the very same Church that our Sauiour Christ and his blessed Apostles first founded We succeed them both in succession of persons as well as the Church men of Rome and in succession of doctrine much better So that we iustly challenge our Sauiour Christ and his Apostles to be ours all the learned holy Fathers to be ours the ancient Councels the blessed Saints Martyrs and Confessors to bee ours For they taught professed liued and dyed in and for those points of sauing Religion which we soundly hold and for none other The Martyrs dyed for the profession of their faith and seruice to the true God for beleeuing in Iesus Christ crucified whom their persecutors scornefully called the crucified God and for their hope to bee saued by his merits and passion for their trust comfort and constancy in the Holy Ghost and worshipping the holy blessed glorious and indiuiduall Trinity and for cleauing truly and constantly to the holy Scriptures and the doctrines grounded thereupon onely as the true rule of their faith and on the other side for refusing to sacrifice offer incense or doe worship to Idols and Heathen gods They suffered not death for standing in defence of Image-worship or for holding the doctrine of Purgatory so like to the Heathen Poets Homer and Virgil or for praying for the dead or to the dead or for accusing the holy Scriptures of insufficiency and ambiguity and forbidding Christian people to reade them vnder great penalties for feare of Heresie For such points would haue pleased their Heathen persecutors well enough Neither suffered they for crossing Christs institution in denying the Communion cup to Gods people or for worshipping a God made of a piece of bread or for maintaining
diffâ—r noâ—ae legis De Indulgentijs and others which wants not much of making a Quaternity of the most glorious indiuiduall and incoÌ„municable Trinity h See more of this in P. Maâ—lius Defence of our late learned King Iames his booke against the answer of Cossâ—tean art 7. p. 165. sâ—q And in B. Andrewes his aâ—swer to Bellarmine about the same K. Iames his booke ad c 8. p 174. c. And in B. Downam De Antichristo lib. 3. cap. 8. § 2 3 4. lib. 5. cap 2. §. 2 3 4 5. And in Bishop Mortoâ— Apolog Cath. tomo 1. cap 68. pag. 202. and Protestants appeale lâ—b 2. cap. 12. sect 10 and relation of Religion in the West pag. 3 Rainolds â—art cap. 8. divis 2. pag. 474 475. And it is abundantly noted in most of our Protestants Bookes This is a corrupt doctrine and practise crept into the Church we may not admit 2 We beleeue the Canonicall Scriptures reckoned vp in the sixt Article of the yeare 1562. to be the vndoubted Word of God written by inspiration of the Holy Ghost guiding the mindes and pennes of the holy Writers absolutely free from all errour You confesse the same Concil Trident. sess 4. But you adde the Apocryphall bookes and make them also Canonicall k Ibid. Si quis libros â—aruch Ecclâ—siastici Sapientiae Iuâ—iâ—h Tobiae Duoruâ— Maccabâ—orum Danielis integros libros cum omnibus suis paâ—â—bâ—s proâ—t in vulgata editione habentur prosacris Canon câ— non suâ—cepent Anathema sit contrary to Anâ—iquity l For to the Iewes were committed the Oracles of God Canonicall Scriptures to be kept Rom. 3.2 but they nâ—uer acknowledged the Apocryphall bookes so saith Iosephus lib. 1. contra Appion See Euseb hist lib. 8. cap. 10. And Bellarmine hâ—mselfe grants it lib. 3. â—e eccle milit cap. â—0 initâ—o B. Andrewes answering Bellarmines Apology concerning King Iames his Monitory Preface cap. 7. pag. 15. giues vs ten very ancient Fathers reckoning the Câ—non of Scripture as we doe 1 Melito Sardensis in Euseb 4.26 2 Origenes 3. 25. 7 in Iosâ—a 3 Athanasiâ—s in Synops. 4 Hilarius proâ—og in Psal 5 Epiphanius haereâ— 8. 6 Cyrillâ—s Catâ—ch 7 Nazianzen de ver ge scrip lib. 8 Amphilochius ad Saleucum 9 Hieronymus in prolog Galâ—â—to 10 Râ—ffiâ—us in expos Symboli D. Field reckons more lâ—b 4. cap. 23 see more cap 4. sect 14. The Laodicean Councell excludes the Apocrypha the Carthaginian Councell receiues them both these were confirmed in the sixt generall Councell how hangs this togethâ—r thus The Lodicean spake of the Canon of faith the Carthagenian of the Canon of good manners to both which the sixt Councell subscribed in that sense and we to it See thiâ— Whole Controuersie thorowly handled by B. Morton Apologiae Catholicae part 2. lib. 1. sex primis captibus Also in his Protestants Appeale lib. 4. cap. 18. and by D. Whitâ—â—â—es Disp de sacra scripura quaest 1. And by D. Field of the Church Booke 4. chapt 23 24. 3 We beleeue the orignall Hebrew of the Old Testament and the Greâ—â—e of the New to be authenticall and of vndoubted authority your side hath heretofore held the contrary deprauing the Hebrew and Greeke now extant as intolerably corrupted by Iewes and Heretickes yet now your best m â—huâ— Bellarmine de verâ—o dei lib. 2. cap. 2. in sine Siâ—tus Senensâ—s Biblâ—oth lib. 3. paâ— 153. lib. 8. pag. 630 Ribera comâ—n Hoscam cap. 9. na 20. Acosta 2. lib. de Christo Reuelat. cap. 16. And of the Greeke of the new Sixtus Seâ—ens Bibl. lib. 7 pag. 58. See D. Field Church lib. 4 cap. 28. 29. B. Morton Appâ—al lib. 4. cap. 18. Sect. 3. learned men come home to vs and hold them pure from such corruptions affirming that though some slips of Printers or Writers may be found in letters or words yet they hurt not the sense nor derogate from their authority Thus you iustifie vs. But n This your Agorias a choice man to deliuer the Roman Catholick Tenets sheweth Institutionum lib. 8. cap. 3. § 3. 4. where the Greeke or Hebrew now extant saith he differeth from the sense of the vulgar Latin that Latin Edition shall be to vs the Canoninall Scripture Post habito câ—ntrario sensu Hebrâ—aicae vel Graecâ—â— lectionis And whereas many of their owne side since the Councell of Trent haue found diuers faults and errours in the Latin as Vega Sixtâ—s Senensis Canus Tayva Lâ—ndanus c. Yet Azorius excuseth the matter saying They are not errours against faith and good manners but onely in some places clariùs siâ—nificantiùs proprius latinâ—ùs reddi potuerint non tamen verius aut simpliciter certiùs things might more clearely significantly properly and in better Latin haue beene deliuered but not more tâ—â—ely or simply more certainly Thus saith Azorius but our Bishop Morton sheweth them many great intolerable corruptions concerning Faith and Manners and in matters in Controuersie Apol Cathol paâ—t 2. lib. 1. cap. 11 12 13. and in his Prot. Appeal lib 4. cap. 18. § 3. As also many other Protestant Writers doe But were in true that Azorius saith his reason might authorize a translation to be profitable and comfortable to the people to reade in any tongue which they vnderstand but cannot make a Translation more authenticall then the originall or not liable to be examined and corrected by the Originall That were to preferre mens conceit before Gods most absolute truth and is no better then impiety See Rainolds and Hart confer chap. 6. divis 2. pag. 244. c. D. Whitakers D. Field Church Booke 4. chap 25 26. specially 27. whereas you make your vulgar Latin authenticall also and of greater authority then the Greeke and Hebrew where they differ from it we must neeeds forsake you 4 We make the written word of God Artic. 6. 1562. the ground of our faith and hold nothing necessary to be beleeued to saluation but what is there either deliuered in expresse words or thence deducted by necessary consequence Your owne learned men confâ—sse this course to be good o Bellar. de Iustif lib. 3 cap. 8. §. Prima ratio non potest aliquid certum esse certitudine fiâ—ei nisi aut immediatè continetur in verbo dei aut ex verbo dei per euidentem consequentiam deducatur Fides enim non est nisi verbi dei authoritate â—itatur Neâ—ue de hoc principio vel Catholici vel Haeretici ibitant Faber Stapaâ—ensis In his Preface to the Evangelists which Preface now the Roman Doctors appoint to be left out in the new Prints by their Indices Expurgatorij saith thus The Scripture sufficeth and is the onely rule of eternall life whatsoeuer agrees not to it is not so necessary as superfluous The Primitiue Church knew no other rule but the Gospell no other scope but Christ no other worship then was due to the Indiuiduâ—ll Trinity I
Catholicke Expositions of the Creed The fift Article is That no other prayer is to be vsed but onely the Pator noster set downe in Scripture Answ And yet their owne Writers Rainerius Eymericus c. record diuers other of their prayers as for Grace before meat this He that blessed the fiue barley loaues and two fishes in the Desert to his Disciples blesse this Table vnto vs. And after meat that of the Reuelation 5.12 13. Blessing and honour and wisedome and thankes and vertue and power be vnto our God for euer and euer Amen Also God giue a good reward and recompence to all that doe well vnto vs. And God which hath giuen vs corporall food giue vs also spirituall life And The Lord be with vs and we with him for euer And the rest answered Amen There is a large and punctuall confession of sinne set downe in the third part of the History of the Waldenses and Albigenses booke 1. cap. 2. taken out of their booke Intituled New Comfort All which and many other shew the vanity of this cauill The sixt Article That the power of consecrating the body of Christ and of hearing Confessions was left by Christ not onely to Priests but also to Laymen if they be iust Answ The first part of this Article they held not but rather the contrary that neither Priests nor Laiks could consecrate the body of Christ For i Rainer in summa de Catharis Leonistiâ— Rainerius saith They doe not beleeue the Sacrament to be the true Body and Blood of Christ but the Bread consecrated is called in a certaine figure the Body of Christ as it is said The Rocke was Christ and the like The second part they said truely Iames 5 1â— and we hold That the power to heare Confessions is left by Christ not onely to Priests but to discreet and godly Lay-people who are able to counsaile and comfort them The seuenth Article is That no Priests must haue any Liuings at all but must liue on Almes and that no Bishops or other dignity is to be admitted in the Clergy but that all must be equall Answ That their Ministers may not lawfully take and enioy Liuings or that it was sinne so to doe they taught not So they professe in their answer Ad literas Augustâ—ai Olomucensis ann 1508. plenius in scripto edâ—to 1572. but were sorry they had not sufficient stayed Liuings for them whereby they might haue more time to their studies and greater opportunity to instruct them with necessary doctrine and knowledge but they were not ashamed of their Ministers that were content to worke with their hands to get their liuing since the doctrine and example of the Apostles lead them to it and they had rather see them so to doe then to liue idly follow Tauerns venery vanity vsury sacriledge other wickednesse That all Ministers must be equall they meant in orders but not in Iurisdiction for they allowed Deacons Presbyters and Bishops as both Guido and Sanders obserue The eighth Article is That Masse is to be said once onely euery yeere to wit vpon Maundy Thursday when the Sacrament was instituted and the Apostles made Priests For that Christ said Doe this in remembrance of me to wit say they that which he did at that time Luke 22.1 Cor. 11. Answ Parsons pretending to bring no articles but such as all Authors charge the Waldenses withall brings this which no Author imputes to them but onely one Guido Carmelita and l Alphons de Castro lib. 6. adv haereses tit de Euchar. Alphonsus de Castro wonders where Guido found it m Aeneas Sylv. hist Bohem. cap. 35. Aeneas Syvius mentions it not but contrarily saith they hold that the Priest may consecrate in any place and at any time and minister to them that require it n Rainer ib. 224. 12. And Rainerius They mislike that the faithfull should communicate but once in the yeare and they communicate daily And concerning the Masse he saith o Ib. 224. 14. They hold that the Masse is nothing that the Apostles had it not and that it was made for gaine And p Ib. 224. 17. that the oblation made by the Priest in the Masse profiteth nothing The ninth and last Article obiected by Parsons That the words of Consecration must be no other but onely the Pater noster seuen times said ouer the bread c. Answ q Alph. Castro ibid. Alphonsus de Castro saith Jt is possible that the Waldenses might haue had this but not probable for only Guido Carmelita saith it but Aeneas Sylvius a farre more diligent man and of better iudgement mentions it not neither Antoninus nor Bernardus de Lutzenburge though they all professedly reckon vp their errors but rather they say the contrary That the Waldenses held The Priest might consecrate in euery place and time and minister to them that desire it and that it was sufficient to speake the Sacramentall words onely r Rainer pa. 224. 14. Edit Froheri And Rainerius saith They receiue not the Canon of the Masse but onely the words of Christ vulgarly By these nine selected Articles whereby Parsons would make the world beleeue the Waldenses differed much from vs the world may see they differed nothing at all had there beene greater differences doubtlesse he would haue shewed them for he purposely sought the greatest Finding therefore no difference we may safely conclude they were fully of our faith and Religion our predecessors and fore-runners and that the Protestants doctrine was held and taught in the world openly and professedly aboue 400 yeeres before Luther taught it in Germany Sectionis 3. Subsectio 2. § 1. Of the great numbers of the Waldenses § 2. Their disputations § 3. Warres against them § 4. By the famous Simon Montfort § 5. Carcasson taken § 6. and 7. New Armies by Croysadoes against them out of all Christendome Tolous taken the King of Aragon slaine § 8. Tolous recouered Simon slaine The King of France continueth the warres The Albigenses thriue recouer Carcasson spread in many Countries § 9. The Earle of Tolous deceiued by the Pope or his Legate fortifies Avignon The King of France besiegeth it dyeth mad the Legate vnable by force gets it by fraud and periury § 10. Tolous ouerthrowes the French Armies The Pope offers him peace The great warres cease Councels are held to root out the Albigenses § 11. Jgnorance of Histories makes men loue the Pope §. 1. Antiquus Well Sir if it should be granted that these Waldenses held your doctrine intirely without difference and so were of your Church yet were you neuer the nearer because their numbers were so few and scattered that they did not make a Church so visible as the true Church of God must alwayes be Antiquissimus I will proue they did and that plentifully and manifestly without all exception out of your owne Authors a This Rainerius is set out by Freberus
ad Rom. as soone as man beleeueth in him he is presently instified Consequently o In Psal 142. Ne intres in iudâ—cium man can haue no merits to trust vnto there is nothing properly his owne but sinne p In 1. cap gen hom 2 serm de fide de lege nat Yet faith wrought in vs by Gods grace will be fruitfull in good workes or else it is a dead faith and vnprofitable He taught q Hom. 4. de penitentia hom 12. in Mat. in 15. de muliere Chananaea prayer to God only and directly without running about to Patrons or Intercessors Mediators Porters naming Iames John Peter and the Quire of Apostles take saith he repentance for thy companion to supply the place of an aduocate and goe to the head fountaine it selfe Of the Eucharist though he haue many rhetoricall and hyperbolicall speeches in the vehemency of his mouing the people to humble deuotion as Thou seest touchest eatest Christ and hee suffereth teeth to bee fastned in his flesh and to be made red with his bloud which r Bellar de Euchar lib. 1. cap. 2. §. quinta Regula de Missa lâ—b 2 cap 10. §. ad illad Valentinian tom 4. in Thom. disp 6. quest 4. punct 3 §. quare non est assentiendum Alano Iesuites confesse cannot be vnderstood properly without impiety but tropically of the signes onely not of the body which cannot suffer of vs nor be violated yet he hath much against Transubstantiation for he saith Å¿ Hom. de Eucharist The Table is furnished with mysteries thou seest bread and wine but thinke not that you receiue the diuine body of a man Ne putetis quod accipiatis divinum corpus ex homine And t Hom. 11. Op. imperfect in Mat. in his vasis sanctificatis non est verum corpus Christi sed mysterium corporis ejus continetur In these hallowed vessels there is not contained the true body of Christ but the mystery of his body Also u Hom. 83. in Matth. if thou wast incorporeall hee would haue giuen to thee his incorporeall gifts naked but because thy soule is ioyned to a true body in sensibilibus intelligenda tibi traduntur in things sensible are deliuered vnto thee things to be vnderstood Againe x Hom. 7. in 1 Cor. An vnâ—eleeuer seeing the water of Baptisme thinkes it is simply water but I doe not simply see what I see but I consider the purging of the soule by the spirit and the burying resurrection sanctification iustice redemption adoption inheritance and Kingdome of heauen For I iudge them not by sight but by the eyes of my mind He writes also y Jn 1 Cor. hom 27. against priuate Communions when people doe not communicate called now priuate Masses and z Hom. Oportet haereses esse halfe Communions without ministring the Cup to the people Against Purgatory after this life he saith * In Matth. hom 4. hom 3. de poenit hom De Lazaro Hee that washeth not away his sinnes in this life shall finde no comfort afterward * Hom. 7 in Matth. as when a ship is sunke or a man dead neither can the Saylor nor Physitian helpe it When we are once gone nothing is lest to satisfie for vs. * Homilia 2. de Lazaro while we are heere we haue faire hopes but being once departed it is not in vs to repent afterward or to wash off our sinnes Saint Augustine writes fully and plentifully a Aug. De vnitate Ecclesiae alibi p. sâ—â—n for the perfection and sufficiency of the Scriptures to determine where the true Church is and to end all Controuersies and b De doctr christ lib. 2. ca 9. plaine enough to ground all necessary doctrines vpon c De Bapt. contra Donatistas lib. 6. cap. 3. that the Church to which the promises of grace and saluation belong is the company of faithfull beleeuers and that wicked men doe not belong vnto it d Ib. lib. 7 cap. 51. de vnitatate Eccl. cap. vlt alibi saepe they may be in the Church but not of the Church in the house but belong not ad compagem domus e Retract lib. 2. cap. 21. That Peter was not the Rocke wherein the Church is built but Christ f In psal 44. psal 60. and that we are Christiani not Petriani c. the Rock was Christ g De verb. Dom. serm 13. in mat tract 124. and vpon the Rock which Peter confessed saying Thou art Christ the Son of the liuing God I will build my Church Vpon mee not vpon thee They that would be built vpon men said I am of Paul and I of Apollos and I of Cephas that is Peter but others that would not be built super Petrum but super Petram said Ego sum Christi Quomodo nec in Pauli sic nec in Petri sed in nomine Christi vt Petrus aedificaretur super Petram non Petra super Petrum He writes that h Tract 118. 114. in Ioan. libro quaest vet novi test quaest 93. the Keyes of binding and loosing were not giuen onely to Peter alone but in him to the whole Church that all the Church might haue power to binde and loose sinnes Of Antichrist he saith i De civ Dei l b. 20. cap. 19. He shall sit in the Church of God and k In psal 9. extoll himselfe aboue all that is worshipped and come by wicked arts to that vaine height and domination and l De civ Dei ibid. when the Roman Empire is taken away then Sathan by Antichrist shall worke mirabiliter sed mendaciter with lying wonders Saint Augustine reports and applauds Saint Cyprians speech to the Donatists thus m De Baptismo contra Donatist None of vs makes our selues Bishop of Bishops nor doth by tyrannicall terror compell his fellowes to the necessity of obedience seeing euery Bishop for the license of his liberty and power hath his proper iudgement as if hee could not bee iudged of another as himselfe cannot iudge another but we must all expect the Iudgement of our Lord Iesus Christ who alone hath power both to set vs in the gouernment of his Church and to iudge of our acts A doctrine plaine against the popes supremacy Against Transubstantiation though Bellarmine cite him for the truth of Christs body deliuered which we deny not he writes plainly deliuering a Rule how to know figuratiue from proper speeches in the Scriptures n De doctrinâ— Christiana lib 3. cap. 15. ib. that When a precept seemes to command a fowle or wicked act or forbid a good and profitable thing then it is to be taken figuratiuely He giues this for an example Except you eat the flesh of the Sonne of Man and drinke his Bloud you haue no life in you this in the proper sense seemes a foule and wicked thing
question is not of the truth of the presence but of the manner whether it be to the teeth or belly which he in a manner denies or to the soule and faith of the Receiuer So also d Bellarm. De Purgat lib. 1. cap 6. Bellarmine for the proofe of Purgatory alleadgeth a number of Fathers as Ambrose Hilary Origen Basil Lactansius Jerom but farre from the purpose of the question and quite beside their meaning for they spake of the fire at the end of the world as e Sixtus Senens Bibl. lib. 5. Annot 171. Sixtus Senensis saith and Bellarmine cites them for the fire of Purgatory before the end f Bellarâ—ib Hee cites many other Fathers also to proue Purgatory because they commended prayer for the dead though he well knew that proceeded from an g Sâ—arez in 3. pa t â—â—ome qu. 59. art 6. disp 57. §. 1. pag. 1159. errour which they held that mens soules were not iudged till the last day nor rewarded or punished but reserued in some secret receptacles vnto the vniuersall Iudgement Which opinion is as contrary to Purgatory to confirme which he alleadgeth them as it is to the truth and therefore they are guilefully alleadged beside their meaning Antiquus These practises of alleadging counterfeit bookâ—s vnder the reuerend names of ancient holy Fathers of corrupting the genuine writings of the Fathers and of auoyding or peruerting their true meaning by any sophisticall interpretations and of producing them in shew to the purpose but indeed beside the purpose and the true question and by all or any of these meanes to seeke the victory by obscuring the truth are things to my heart and soule odious and abhominable Neither should I beleeue that euer any such thing was done by Men that professe Religion but I should thinke it rather a malicious slander deuised by their aduersaries if I had not seene manifest proofe of all by their owne bookes layed open before mine eyes But to let passe my iust griefe of this for the present I must adde that CHAP. 3. Of the differences of the Fathers and Protestants and of their contentions § 1. Many Fathers are confessed by all sides to haue held some erronious opinions which none are boun◠〈◊〉 receiue and yet in the substance of Religion were good Catholicke Christians and our predecessors 2 Many differences also are noted among Romish Doctors which yet hinder them not from being all accounted Catholickes 3 The differences among Protestants are nothing so great or many as those afore noted of the Fathers and the Romish The especiall one about Christs presence in the Sacrament is much lesse then it seemeth 4 The Popes vnwillingnesse to reforme manifest abuses by the way of generall Councels was the cause of all differences in Reformed Churches 5 The Protestants contentions for Gods cause as they take it are nothing so hote or troublesome as the contentions of many ancient holy Fathers haue beene about smaller matters §. 1. Antiquus YEt I cannot thinke but in the vndoubted and vncorrupted writings of the Fathers you find many things differing from the Doctrine of Protestants It cannot be otherwise for the Protestants differ among themselues the English from the German the German from the French one Nation from another and in euery Nation one company from another It is possible the Fathers may disagree from them all but to agree with them all that agree not among themselues it is impossible Besides the Protestants disagreements are so great with such bitter contentions and virulent writing one against another that they shew themselues not to be of the Church of God which is a City at vnity in it selfe and consists of men more mortifyed in their affections I tell you truely these disagreements and contentions do mightily alienate mens affections from your Religion Antiquissimus Your obiection hath three parts 1 Differences of the Fathers from vs 2 Differences among our selues 3 The hot contentions of Protestants for these differences Let me answer them in order First I doe ingenuously confesse that the Fathers do in many things differ from vs and no whit lesse from you Though they were very Reuerend learned holy men yet still they were men and had their errours and imperfections Your owne men first discouered them as Cham did his Fathers nakednesse and told his brethren Gen. 9. and we cannot hide them though wee gladly would and with Sem and Japhet turne our backs on theÌ„ neither is it now expedient when you so much vilifie the Scriptures and magnifie the Fathers beyond their right and seeke to draw the tryall of the truth of Religion rather then the Riuelets of Fathers and Histories then from the Fountaine of the Scriptures We must therfore tell you more necessarily theÌ„ willingly what your own men haue said of the Fathers slips and errours wherein not onely we but themselues are constrained for the truthes sake to forsake them And yet both wee and they account the same Fathers our predecessors for the other necessary points of sauing faith which they soundly held neither doe we any way doubt but that they are blessed Saints in Heauen Baron an 118. n. 2. Senous Bibl. lib. 5. amos 233. 1 Your Cardinall Baronius and Sixtus Senensis reckon vp many Fathers that held the Millenary errour to wit Papias the scholler of Iohn the Apostle Evangelist Apollinarius Irenaeus Tertullianus Victorinus Lactantius Seuerus Sulpitius Justin Martyr many other Catholike Fathers being deceiued by Papias Bish of Hierapolis a man much reuerenced for opinion of his Holinesse and learning Baron ib. n. 5. c. n. 2. citing Eusebius but yet homo ingenij pertenuis saith Eusebius who taught it as a tradition receiued from the Apostles and grounded vpon Revel 20. v. 4 5. The matter was this That there should be two Resurrections the first of the godly to liue with Christ a thousand yeeres on earth in all worldly happinesse before the wicked should awake out of the sleepe of death and after that thousand yeeres the second Resurrection of the wicked should be to eternall death and the godly should ascend to eternall life Baron an 373. n. 14. This errour continued almost two hundred yeeres after it began before it was condemned for an heresie and was held by so many Church-men of great account and Martyrs that Saint Augustine and Ierom did very modestly dissent saith Senensis ib. Concil Carthag in Cypriani operib 2 Saint Cyprian held that such as were baptized by heretickes should be rebaptized and so determined with a whole Councell of African Bishops Contrary to the African Bishops in the time of Aurelius and contrary to Cornelius Bishop of Rome and the rest of the Italian Bishops And yet was Cyprian alwayes counted a Saint a true member of the Church an holy Martyr Bellar. de confir lib. 2. cap. 7. §. respond ad 1. Aug. cont 2. ep Pelag. lib. 4. c. 8. Aug.
was driuen out Notwithstanding within a few dayes after to appeale the tumults of people he was recalled Socrates lib. 6. cap. 16. placed agâ—ine in his Bishopricke restored to preaching and so continued a while but not without tumults wherein many were wounded and many killed And when hee was banished againe the Cathedrall Church at Constantinople with the Senate hâ—use were set on fire and burned to the ground in the pursuit of reuenge Baronius beginning the story of this contention Baron tomo 5. anno 400. nu 51. saith thus I take in hand a great and lamentable narration of strife and direfull persecution not of Gentiles against Christians nor heretickes against Catholickes nor of wicked men against good and iust but which is monstrous and prodigious euen of Saints and holy men one against another Ninthly Socrates lib. 7. cap. 33. D. Fâ—eld church lib 5 cap 33. â—pâ—end 1 part pag 116 117 118. c D Hall Columbâ— Noe pag. 44. In the first Councell of Ephesus being the third generall Councell there arose great contâ—ntions bâ—twixt Cyril of Alexan ria and Iohn Bishop of Antioch two Patriarkes either of them thundring Anathematismes againâ—t other and depriuing each othâ—r of their Churches Theodores vnhappily thrust his sickle into Iohns haruest against whom at the â—nstigation of Euoptius Cyrillus grieuously inueighed Theodoret accused Cyrill of Apollinarisme and Cyrill accused Theodoret of N storianisme And this fury spred so farre that it drew almost the Christian world into sides So that when afterwards Theodoret would haue come into the Chalcedon Synod the Aegyptian and other reuerend Bishops cryed If we receiue Theodoret we cast out Cyril the Canons cast out Theodoret God abhorres him This was done in the first action of the Chalcedon Councell and againe in the eight action the Bishops crying out openly he is an Hereticke he is a Nâ—storiâ—n away with the Hereticke Yet when the matter was fully knowen and that Theodoret had willingly subscribed to the Orthodoxe Creedes and to Leo's Epistles The whole Synoâ— cryed with one vâ—yce Theodoret is worthy of his Ecclesiasticall Sea let the Church receiue her Catholike Pastor Antiquus Your discourse hath â— t me into a mixture of griefe and â—oâ— Griefe that any of the holy ancient Fathers haue held any errours at all and that there were such bitter contentions among them Ioy that seeing there were such they are not hid from me For that will make me more moderate in thinking of them though reuerently as holy men yet still as men subiect to humane infirmities and not in all things to make their sayings rules of my faith or their doings patâ—ernes of my life but altogether to make the most holy perfect infallible and vnstained word of God the guides of both and it shall make me also more wise in esteeming men now liuing reuerently for the graces of God which I see in them notwithstanding their humane fraâ—lties such as I perceiue the best Saints of God haue had But yet I see not any sufficient rule to leade mee to Iudge how you can challenge the Fathers to be of your Religion more then the Romans may challenge them to be of theirs I perceiue well they diffâ—red from both in many things wherein you both refuse them Antiquissimus You make that vse of my discourse that I wish For the Rule to direct your iudgement I haue pointed at it often and now I will briefely and as fully as I can lay it open vnto you CHAP. 4. Of the Rule to iudge the soundnesse and purity of all Christians and Churches by This Chapter hath foure Sections The first Section of the Rule vsed in the Primitiue Church The second of the Rule enlarged and approued in this Age The third of Obiections arising from the former discourses and their answeres The fourth of the necessity of Preaching still to them that hold the Rule The first Section § 1. The Rule in generall § 2. Opened by distinctions of the foundation of Religion § 3. A necessity to haue a short rule drawne out of the Scriptures § 4. This rule is described by Saint Paul § 5. The practise of it by the Apostles who onely deliuered the most necessary fundamentall points to the Iewes and then baptized them § 6. The like practise vsed by the following Primitiue Church to their Catechumeni before Baptisme §. 1. THe Rule to Iudge all Christians and Churches by is this They that hold the same fundamentall points of Christian Religion which doe sufficiently constitute the Church of Christ and hold no other opinions wittingly and obstinately that ouerthrow any of these fundamentall points they are vndoubtedly of the same true Church and Religion §. 2. For the vnderstanding of this Rule note 1 Saint Paul distinguisheth betwixt the foundation and that which is built vpon the foundation 1 Cor. 3.10 As a wise Master-builder I haue laid the foundation and another buildeth thereon The word Foundation is taken two wayes First for the principall thing which is to be beleeued and wherupon our saluation is builded that is Iesus Christ as Saint Paul saith there verse 11. Other foundation can no man lay then that is laid which is Iesus Christ Acts 4.12 There is no saluation in any other there is none other name vnder heauen giuen among men whereby we must be saued 1 Tim. 3.16 This is the great mystery of godlinesse God was manifest in the flesh c. This was Saint Peters confession Matth. 16.16 Thou art Christ the Sonne of the liuing God Vpon which confession as Saint Augustine and Chrysostome expound it Christ said he would build his Church and the gates of Hell should not preuaile against it Secondly the word Foundation is taken for the Doctrine of the Scriptures which teach saluation onely by Iesus Christ as Ephes 2.20 The house that is the houshold or Church of God is built vpon the Foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Jesus Christ himselfe the chiefe Corner stone And so the Apostles are called twelue foundations Reuel 21.14 to wit in respect of their doctrine whereby they laid the foundation of the Church and of mens saluation by Iesus Christ §. 3. 2 Although the whole Scripture and euery thing therein contained or from it necessarily deduced be a fit obiect for faith to apprehend Yet that all Christians should thorowly conceiue and vniformely professe them all is not to be hoped B. Vsher Serm. at Wansted pag 22. nor in any Age hath beene found As we haue manifestly proued * In the former Chapter Variety of Iudgements in some points of lesser moment which are not plainely deliuered in the Scriptures may be tollerated and must not dissolue the vnity which all must hold in the fundamentall principles Heauen was not prepared for deepe Clerkes onely which vnderstood all or for such as neuer differed in any opinion 1 Cor. 132 12. but euen for such also as knew but in part and saw through a
more infallible Thirdly as formall causes by their gouenment for all the Apostles were Capita Rectores Pastores Ecclesiae Vniuersae Heads Gouernors and Pastors of the Church Vniuersall Antiq. This Bellarmine saith indeed but he addes a difference in this third point the other were onely heads as Apostles and Legats but Peter as the ordinary Pastor they had fulnesse of power yet so as Peter was their head and they depended vpon him not hee on them Antiquiss What Bellarmine yeelds and proues against his owne side wee may well take as true and wrested from him by the euidence of the truth This last which hee addes in fauour of his side hee onely saith but proues not as behoued him For how depended the Apostles more on Peter then hee on them where doe we reade that euer hee appointed enioyned limited or reâ—â—rained any of them or shewed any authority ouer them but contrarily a Acts 11. Wee reade that he was censured by them and caused to giue an account of his actions Act. 11. b Gal â— And that hee was reproued to his face and openly by St. Paul who protested also that hee was not inferiour to St. Peter neither receiued they ought from him And further euen c lib. 4 depoâ—t Rom. cap. 23. Bellarmine himselfe saith they were all equall in the Apostleship which they râ—ceiued equally of Christ immediately and none of them of Peter as he proueth against many d Cardinalis Turrecremata Dominicus Iacobatius c. great men of his owne side in a whole chapter of set purpose e ibid. For the better to make all the Clergy depend vpon Peter though many succeed the other Apostles many great Catholikes hold that the Apostles receiued not their authority and iurisdiction of Christ immediately but Saint Peter only and all the rest of Saint Peter which f ib. Bellarmine soundly confutes both by Scriptures and Fathers shewing that Christ himselfe gaue them all parem potestatem equall power that not Peter but Christ himselfe did chuse Matthias by Lot at the instant prayer of the Apostles that Paul was an Apostle not of men neither by man but by Iesus Christ and God the Father Gal. 1.1 c. All which makes for the equality of Peter with the rest and not for his superiority ouer them Antiq. Yet surely he holdeth the same Supremacy which other Catholikes hold though he think it cannot be grounded so firmely vpon these places Antiquis You may well imagine he giues not ouer without much compulsion and reluctation these castles and holds which other great Captaines with all their power and policy held and maintained §. 7. But there is one poore castle more which hee laboureth to hold though very weakely that is in Iohn 21.15 Bellar. de Rom. pontif l. 1. c. 12 â— vt autem See D. Field Church book â— chap 22. where it appeareth saith hee that Christ gaue more to Saint Peter then to the other Apostles for hee said vnto him Louest thou mee more then these and then addes Feed my sheepe To him that loued more he gaue more to wit the care of his whole Flocke euen the care ouer his brethren Apostles making him generall Pastor ouer them also for there can no cause or reason be imagined saith Bellarmine why vpon Peters answere of his singular loue aboue the rest Christ should singularly say to him Pasce oues meas if he gaue him not something aboue the rest To which we say the Fathers shew another cause or reason Peter had denied Christ more then the rest and being forgiuen was to loue more then the rest Luk. 7.43.47 and therefore Christ vrged him singularly by thrice asking Louest thou mee Cyril super Ioan. lib. 12. cap. 64. Augustin tract in Ioan. 123. See this largely handled betwixt Raynolds Hart. p. 135. seq answerable to his three denials to performe the office enioyned in generall to all the Apostles So saith Cyril Because he denyed him thrice at his Passion therefore there is a threefold confession of loue required of him and so the glosse and Saint Augustine saith A threefold confession answereth to a threefold negation that the tongue may expresse as much in loue as it did in feare And so in very truth Christs words were rather a stay of Peters weakenesse then a marke of his worthinesse or a proofe of his supremacy Thus we haue the onely place of Scripture whereupon Bellarmine insisteth of performance and bestowing supremacy particularly vpon Peter Bellarmin saith De iustifâ—t 3. c. 8. initio Non potest aliquid certum esse certitudine fidei nisi aut immediate contineatur in verho Dei aut ex verbo Dei per euidentem consequentiam deducatur c. and that not a plaine and euident place of Scripture or by deduction of euident reason such as necessary points of diuinity should haue but onely their owne infirme and vnsound interpretation a poore and weake ground of so great a building The transcendent supremacy of the Pope of Rome ouer the whole Church of Christ and the many Doctrines and practises that depend thereupon haue no other ground in Scripture but this their owne conceited and forced interpretation of this place Peter louest thou mee more then these Feed my sheepe that is Take thou authority more then these to make thy successors aboue all theirs heads of the vniuersall Church with such power as themselues shall list to take or exercise Antiq. I cannot but ingenuously confesse this inference to be weake indeed and it doth much amaze me and makes me quake and stagger to consider how confidently I haue beene perswaded that the Scripture is most plaine and euident for the Popes supremacy and now to see that nothing of any moment can thence be alleadged for it §. 8. Isa chus Casaubonus excrcitatio ad Baronium Epist dedic pag. 19. Luk. 22.25 26. Gasper Scioppius in Ecclesiastico suo ex pos cap. 47 Is not this quidlibet e quolibet or rather Contrarium é contrario Antiquis By such alleadging of Scriptures they may make quidlibet è quolibet make any substance of any shadow The learned Frenchman Casaubon wonders at them Pasce oues meaâ— that is as Baronius interprets it Supremum in ecclesia dominium tibi assere Feed my sheepe that is Take to thy selfe the highest dominion in the Church or as Bellarmine Regis more impera Rule and command after the manner of Kings as if he would of set purpose contradict Christs words The kings of Nations exercise dominion ouer them but yee shall not doe so Nay further and more strangely Gaspen Scioppius saith that Christ by those words hath taken away Kings power and dominion ouer the Nations and forbidden it to be exercised among Christians and hath established that infinite power in the Pope ouer Princes by this and such like places of Scripture The pious world wonders at the Popes challenge to be the highest Iudge
Christ by saying g Ioh. 20. Sicut misit me Pater ego mitto vos gaue them his owne office and authority and made them his Vicars as the Fathers Chrysostome and Theophylact speake and Bellarmine alloweth h Ib. initio capitis And whereas Saint Iames the younger was ordayned Bishop of Ierusalem by the other Apostles as the Ancients shew that ordination was not a new power giuen him but a speciall application of his old power to that particular diocesse i Wherein Bellar. troubles himsâ—lfe idly de pont l. 1. c. 23 §. praetereaquod as also the translation of a Bishop to another Sea is not the making of a new Bishop but a meere application of the old to a new place k D Field ib. pag 116 117. §. 14. Thus you see sufficiently I hope that though the Church l Section 3 4 5. attributed much to Saint Peter yet m Sect. 10 11 12 not such supreme iurisdiction ouer the whole Church as now is claymed n Sect. 13. neither could the prerogatiues due to him descend to his successors no such thing can be proued either by the o Sect. 6 7 8 9. Scriptures or the p Sect. 11. Fathers but plainly the q Sect 10 12. contrary r Cyprian epist 67. D. Field Church book 5. c. 42. p. 288. Saint Cyprian saith wisely that Almighty God wisely foreseeing what euils might follow such vniuersality of power and iurisdiction in one man ordayned that there should be a great number of Bishops ioyned in equall commission that so if some fell the rest might stand and keepe the people from a generall downefall as it was in the time of the Arians wherein many Bishops were corrupted and amongst them the Å¿ See the next chapter sect 4. Liberius and before c. 1. sect 1. subsect 2. §. 5. Bishop of Rome others remayning sound and preuayling to saue the Church from generall corruption To conclude this great point we account this claymed iurisdiction to be one of the great corruptions of the Church of Rome a politike deuice to set vp an earthly Kingdome We know there was a Church of God vpon earth perfect and pure before there was a Church at Rome and that the Churches in other Nations of Corinth Galatia Ephesus Philippy c. had no dependance vpon the Church of Rome they were her sisters not her daughters equally branches of the Oliue tree Rom. 11. Rome was not the Root and they the Sprigs And the Church of Rome was more perfect and pure before this great iurisdiction was euer claymed and practised then euer it was after and saluation therein more easily attained We know that in the smallest Churches euen those in Philemons and in Aquila and Priscillaes houses Philem. 2. 1 Cor. 16.19 saluation was to bee had without subiection to Rome For wheresoeuer two or three are gathered together in Christs name Mat. 18.20 hee is amongst them They that heare his voyce and follow him Iohn 10 27. are his Sheepe and Church whethee they be vnder the Pope or no. And they that are built vpon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Ephes 2.19 20. Christ himselfe being the chiefe corner stone are not strangers and aliens but of the houshold of God and fellow Citizens with the Saints The condition of being vnder the Pope is no where required in Scripture but saluation promised wheresoeuer it is promised without it If nothing be necessary to be beleeued to saluation but what is deliuered in plaine words in Scripture or else thence deducted by euident consequence of reason as Bellarmine teacheth then this point is not necessary to be beleeued then saluation may be had without it The ancient Christians indeed reuerenced the Church of Rome and thought fit to keep in the Community of so famous a Church but they neuer acknowledged the Prerogatiue of the Bishop thereof to bee such that it was damnable to be from vnder him or separate from community with him or feared his excommunication as damnable For the Greeke Church which was a long time a principall part of the Christian world was neuer subiect to the Roman Bishop See B. Morton Causa Regia cap 1. §. 4 pag. 4. but as Bellarmine confesseth a Bellarmine in Praefat. ad libros de Rom. Pont. pag. 15. diuided from the Roman 800. yeeres And b Bellar. li. 3. de verbo Dei c. 6. § secundo All the Churches of Asia were excommunicated by Pope Victor vniustly and contrary to the course of all his predecessors as both Irenaeus with his Westerne Bishops and all the Easterne Bishops manifested it vnto him and therefore they little regarded it though as Bellarmine saith c Bellar de Rom. pont li. 2. c. 19. §. At objicit we neuer read it was recalled or they absolued d Binius Annot. in Concil 1. Carthag Pope Steuen threatned the African Bishops with excommunication which they ioyning with Saint Cyprian the famous Bishop of Carthage made none account of e See before .12 Saint Cyprian was notwithstanding alwaies accounted in the number of Catholikes f Bellar. lib. 2. deconcil c. 5. §. 1 and afterward crowned with Martyrdome In Saint Augustines time the African Fathers g Card. Cusan concord cath lib. 1. cap. 20. continued to withstand Pope Celestine and his successors and stood willingly excommunicated an hundred yeeres as appeares by the Epistle of Boniface h See before §. 12. whereof I spake before i Bellar de Rom. pont lib. 2. c. 25. Bellarmine and k Salmeron rom 12. tractat 58. p. 498 col 1. Baronius that deny the story thereof and would discredit that Epistle know very well that many learned men of their side allow applaude and alleadge it as Lindan Sanders Harding Coster c. and so either are blindely deceiued or wilfully deceiue the world they know also that the African Bishops and among them Saint Augustine the Chiefe did very sharpely withstand the Roman Bishops clayme for Appeales to Rome and k Salmeron rom 12. tractat 58. p. 498 col 1. they know also that from the time of Saint Cyprian the Church of Africa began to be separated from the Church of Rome l Baronius tomâ— 5. anno 4â—9 â—u 93. In which time there were innumerable troopes of Martyrs that dyed for the Catholike Faith as Baronius confesseth m Baron tomâ— 8. anno 604. nu 55 58. Baronius describeth also out of Beda how the Churches of great Brittain England and Scotland were diuided a long time from the Roman Church and subiection to her rites which were commanded vnder paine of excommunication and stood out in Gregory the Greats time aboue 600. yeeres after Christ and would not yeeld the desired subiection for all that Augustine could doe and yet they were accounted Catholike Christians and on one day twelue hundred of them were crowned with Martyrdome dying
for the Faith of Christ contra Northumbrot infideles as your histories tell vs n Galfrid Monum hist lib. 1. cap. 12 13. In these latter times our Aduersaries reckon examples enow o Azorius Iesuita Institut moral part 1. lib. 8. cap. 20. §. Decimo quar of Greekes Armenians Ruthenians Aegyptians Aethiopians and other remote parts of the world which doe not acknowledge the Pope to bee their superiour no more than the Protestants doe And yet your Azorius a choyce man deliuering the doctrine of the Roman Church dare not affirme them to be heretikes but excuseth their opinions different from the Romists and cals them onely Schismatikes because they refuse the Roman superiority To say nothing of the Protestants whereof there are innumerable in Germany France Britaine Pelonia Dauid Bohemia Hungaria Heluetia Suetiâ— Silesia Morana Transiluania and other parts which in this age make the greater part of Christendome which all reiect the Roman Hierarchy as contrary to the Apostles doctrine and the Primitiue Church for many ages It may seeme strange that any man that hath any dram of Christian Charity or come of Christian salt in his heart should perswade himselfe or force his heart to thinke that so many learned Bishops of old time and Christians suffering Martyrdome for Christs sake and such infinite store of people of all nations in these latter ages professing Iesus Christs religion holding all points necessary to saluation and for them suffering losse of goods imprisonment banishment death and depriâ—ation of all earthly comforts besides it should cease to be Christians and become damned creatures onely because they will not become subiects to the Pope of Rome as to their superiour who as they are verily perswaded sitteth as Anrichrist in the Church of God abrogating many of Gods Lawes and establishing his owne Or shall they that in tendernesse of Conscience haue reformed many grosse abuses in life and errors in doctrine which had crept into the Latine Church bee condemnâ—d for reforming them and not communicating with him in his continued abuses though they hold all good things with him and refuse nothing which the Scriptures and pure Antiquity hath deliuered No my friend Be you Antiquus if you will and sticke to Hildebrands dictates broached eleuen hundred yeeres after Christ when Satan was newly loosed or to Boniface the eights decree 200. yeeres after Hildebrand for that is your greatest Antiquity I will bee Antiquissimus and hold the old Religion which the Apostles taught which the first Churches held the East the South the West the middle Churches yea all Churches euen the Roman Church it self for many hundred yeeres next after Christ according to which patterns the Protestants haue reformed their Churches in these latter ages as neere as was possible for them and make no more doubt of saluation therein then of the holy Fathers Saints and Martyrs of former times which reiected the Popes superiority and soueraignty as we doe CHAP. 7. Of the Popes infallible iudgement in guiding the Church by true doctrine § 1. It cannot be proued by Scriptures or Fathers or by the Analogy to the chiefe Priests of the old Testament § 2. Neither is such infallibility now necessary in any man § 3. But if in any man most improbably in the Popes whereof some haue been children and many most wicked men and monsters of men § 4. And many Popes haue erred De facto in Iudgement § 5. Which the Romists distinctions and euasions cannot auoyd § 6. The manifold and manifest Iudgement of Antiquity ouerthroweâ— this supposed infallibility For § I. The Ancients euer accounted the Pope fallible § II. And neuer in their writings mentioned their Infallibility § III. But reiected often both their iurisdiction and Iudgement § IIII. Which if they had beene established and beleeued the Fathers studies and commentaries vpon the Scriptures had beene in vaine § V. And Councels had beene called to no purpose §. 1. Antiquus SVppose the Popes claymed-supreme-gouernment ouer the whole Church cannot bee proued by Scriptures nor Fathers yet if he haue infallibility of iudgment in all points of heauenly doctrine we are bound to submit vnto him Antiquissimus Proue that hee hath such infallibility and we wiil submit to his iudgement Antiq. It is proued by the text a Be lar de Rom Pont. lib. 4 cap. 3. Luk. 22.31 32. Simon Simon Behold Sathan hath desired to winnow you like wheat but I haue prayed for thee that thy Faith should not fayle and when thou art conuerted Strengthen thy brethren Antiquis These words are no way appliable to Peters successors except you will haue them first deny Christ outwardly though faith fayle not in their heart and secondly conuert and afterward strengthen their brethren Else these things are proper to Peter who indeed was so grieuously tempted by Sathan that in that triall through the extremity of feare he denied Christ and that with bitter imprecations but yet by vertue of Christs prayer he denied him not by infidelity the perswasion of his heart remayned the same it was before then repenting bitterly for his outward Apostacy and receiuing the sweetnesse of Gods mercy in forgiuing conuerting and strengthening him hee was able and fit to strengthen his brethren to preuent their like fals or restore them after their fals by hope of the like mercy Thus your Iesuite b Sa Iesuita schol in Luk. 22 id est sicut ego orando te prote i inquit interlinearis glassa ne deficeres sictu infiâ—miores sratres exemplo tuae poenitentiae consorta ne de veâ—ia desperent Seâ— Ar as Mortanus Aquinas Catena on this place Sa interprets this place truely alleadging the interlineall glosse for it And thus doth c Theophylact. vpon Luk. 22. Theophylact also attributing the confirmation of his brethren not to Peters constancy in the true Faith but to his sence of Gods tender mercy recalling and recouering him by which he was able to strengthen the weaâ—e to comfort the sorrowfull to confirme the doubtfull and to rayse them vnto assured hope of finding mercy that otherwise were ready to despaire For who will not be confirmed saith the same Theophylact by Peter in the comfortable perswasion of Gods gracious mercy to repentant sinners that seeth him whom Christ had so much hoâ—oured after so shamefull and execrable fault of Abnegation of his louing Master the Lord of life not onely receiued to mercy but restored to the dignity of the prime and chiefe Apostle Bellarmine bringeth some reasons and allegations to proue those words of Luk. 22 to make for Saint Peters and his successors infallibility but all farre too weake to proue his purpose See them fully examined and answered by D. Field d D. Field Church booke 5 chap. 42. who answers also the other allegations of Mat. 16.18 Vpon this Rocke I will build my Church and of Iohn 21.15 16 17. Feed my sheepe seed my lambes Vpon which the infallibility of the
Canonicall Scriptures Decret c. in Canonicis dist 19. § V. Thus Erasmus argueth Annot. in 1 Cor. 7. B. Mort Appeal l. 2. c. 20. sect 5. l 3. c. 15. §. 4. Consider lastly what need had there beene of any Councels to what end was so much labour and cost bestowed to what purpose to trouble so many Vniuersities to call together so many learned Diuines to turne ouer so many bookes to beate their heads in the finding out of the truth in discussing of hard questions and satisfying of doubts if all this might be so quickly easily and sweetly done by the onely iudgement and determination of the Pope CHAP. 8. Of the good which the Popes Supremacy might doe to the Church § 1. That is vrged but 2. answered that policies agreeable to Gods word and the Primitiue Church onely are sufficient and blessed by God § 3. But this policy might be set vp by any sect § 4. It is vnprofitable and vntollerable 5. shewed by examples of Hildebrand 6. The voiages against the Turke proued profitable to the Pope not to Christian Princes 7. as appeared by the Story of Gregory 9. and Frederik 2. Emperour and 8. many other most wicked Popes § 9. The Emperour Phocas erred much in gouernment in making the Pope so great so farre from him For Popes shortly after proued Masters of mis-rule eiecting the Emperors out of Italy § 10. Their turbulent proceeding to dethrone Princes § 11. Their troubles wrought in England in King Henry 1. his time by Anselme In King Henry 2. time by Becket In King Iohns reygne by Pope Innocent § 12. In these latter times of Queene Elizabeth by the Bull of Pius Quintus and the erecting of Seminaries at Rome and Rhemes Schooles of Traytors The reasons briefly touched 1. Of the Rebellion in the North 2. Of Ormonds brethren 3. and 4. Of other petty conspiracies 5. Stukely 6. Sanders 7. Someruile 8. Motiues to the Ladies of Honour 9. Of Throgmorton 10. Mendoza 11. Creighton the Iesuite 12. Parry 13. Percy 14. Sauage 15. Balard with his complices 16. Aubespineus 17. Stanley and Yorke 18. The Spanish Armado 19. Lopez 20. Squire 21. Tyrone And in the time of King Iames 22. Watson Clarke and others 23. The Powder treason Some obseruations out of these § 13. A good Christian abhorreth these treasons and reiecteth the doctrine that teacheth them § 14. And thereby is by reason forced to renounce to be an absolute Papist and to thinke the doctrines grounded onely vpon the Popes authority without Scripture to be vnnecessary and consequently to acknowledge that it is not necessary to be a Roman-Catholike The conclusion with a briefe recapitulation of the whole precedent conference §. 1. Antiquus ALthough the supreme gouernment of the Church by the Pope and the infallibility of his iudgement could not bee proued by diuine proofes yet is the good thereof so great for the preseruation of peace and vnity and much other happinesse both in the Church and Common-wealth that euen in good reason and policy the very shadowes of proofes should be admitted as sufficient to establish it And if such power and infallible iudgement may be giuen to any it is most fit it be giuen to him that hath from all Antiquity beene accounted the principall Patriarch and the high Bishop of the principall City of the world Antiquissimus Indeed Antiquus now I thinke you hit the nayle on the head for the Popes Supremacy and infallibility hath no other ground but meere humane policy shadowed by the Scripture cunningly wrested deuised by their learned Politicians for their owne wealth and greatnesse and taught by their Agents as most necessary for peace vnity and much other good a Bellar de Rom. Pont. l. 4. c. 6. § quarta proposit o. Probabile est pâ—eque credi potest pontificem vt pontificem errare non posse c. Bellarmine seemes to confesse thus much when he saith It is probable may piously be thought that the Pope as Pope cannot erre nor as a particular person be an heretike Had hee had better arguments is it probable hee would haue come in with Probabile est piéque credi potest But your b Costerus Enchir pag. 123. Si nullum caput visibile in ecclesia a Christo constitutum foret vehementer optari ab omnibus oporteret Costerus the Iesuite is a little more plaine If there were no visible head saith he appointed by Christ in the Church yet such an one ought to be wished for of all men and your D. c Alablaster Motiue 6. Alablaster yet more plainely Where saith he there is not an infallible authority which doth iudge and decide controuersies by remouing all occasions of doubt and reply and vnto which absolute obedience is tied there must needs be variety of iudgements and opinions which cannot be tyed in one knot And therefore the Protestants haue done very vnwisely to disgrace and reiect this profitable policy of the Church the fountaine of vnity Mr Alablaster cals it policy §. 2. But alas Deare friend In Gods businesse I looke onely for Truth and Sincerity which God may blesse and prosper not for shadowes and policy without them which God doth ordinarily infatuate and confound Happy had it beene for the Angels if they had continued in the excellency of their first estate but when they stroue to be higher their policy failed them they fell lower and of Angels became diuels Gods ordinance for d Ephes 4. vers 12 13 15. gathering of his Saints e vers 14. preseruing true and vncorrupt doctrine and f vers 16. effectuall perfecting of the Church in euery part was saith Saint Paul g vers 11. He gaue some Apostles some Prophets some Euangelists some Pastors and Teachers If one visible Head had beene necessary to these purposes heere was the place he should be spoken of wherein since hee is not mentioned doubtlesse Saint Paul knew no such ordinance of God See the like Catalogue of Church-Officers in 1 Cor. 12.28 29. c. this one visible head is neuer mentioned nor heere nor in any other place of Scripture but left out as supernumerarius and superfluous And we finde whilst Gods ordinance was obserued the Church did wonderfully prosper when it was shouldered out out by humane policies all things grew worse and went to wracke It was an euident worke of Gods Spirit h B. Vsher Sermon at Wansted pag. 20. that the first planters of Religion and their successors spreading themselues through the whole world layd the foundations of the â—ame Faith euery where in great vnity and vniformity and yet were kept only by the Vnity of the Spirit in that bond of peace without setting vp any one man on earth ouer them all to keepe peace and vnity The true bond which contained the Doctors and Fathers of the Primitiue Church in the vnity of Faith and wrought the conuersion of Nations continueth in our Church also
him or sent to Rome before him And yet these euils are small in comparison of others which Englishmen haue felt continually for many Ages from the Court of Rome as the Historians of those times with full consent record Verè enim hortus deliciarum Papis fuit tum Anglia puteus inexhaustus As we reade it was truly and trâ—mly said by Pope Jnnocent 4. England was a Garden of deliciousnesse to the Popes and a fountaine inexhaust or vndrainable I speake not now of the true blessings of the soule for which all men may thanke the Reformation of Religion which pious Princes make more account of then of all the Kingdomes of the earth The sincere worship of God alone without fellowes or copartners The veneration of the B. Virgin and holy Saints without superstition The peace of conscience with God by faith in the merits and death of Christ not that the faithfull should cease from good works fie away with such madnes but that when a man hath doneall he can do yet to acknowledge himself an vnprofitable seruant and neuer place confidence in his owne merits to gather exceeding great comfort in the daily and continual reading and meditating of the Scriptures not interpreting them after his own sense but in those things which he finds in them perspicuous and plaine for in such sort they afford vs if we beleeue the Fathers all things necessary to saluation and such as are agreeable to the expositions of the first Doctors of the Church he may sortisie his minde against false opinions which at this day are obtruded vpon the vnwary for ancient articles of faith The receiuing of the holy Communion according to the institution and commandement of our Lord and the continuall practise of the Chuch for more then a thousand yeeres vnder both kindeâ— Mindes confirmed against those thunders of Excommunication so terrible in former times which the Popes cast abroad oftentimes against innocent Princes and rather for humane causes then Diuine as euery man knoweth As when Innocent 3 kept all the people of this Land vnder a curse most deadly and damnable as the Popes would haue men beleeue and then it was so beleeued whole sixe yeeres three moneths and fourteene dayes In which time all that dyed in the Land were depriued of buriall and iudged to bee damned creatures all new borne remained vnbaptized prayers and teaching ceased in all Churches and men liued like Infidels In so large a land so plentifull of people to continue this curse but for one day vpon so many thousands of Innocents had been doubtlesse a most wicked and damnable thing But from all these euils and many other the blessed Reformation of that formerly corrupted Religion hath redeemed vs. Such things writes the learned and iudicious Casaubon And as the Reformation deliuered vs froÌ„ many euils so it hath filled vs with many blessings which we daily feele in full measure but are not able in any sufficient measure to expresse Take a short view of our blessings enioyed vnder our late Princes Cambden Annales Elizabethae initio B. Carltons Thankfull Remembrance initio Queene Elizabeth entring her raigne anno 1558 found at first many potent enemies few and impotent friends Philip King of Spaine who sued to marry her by a dispensation from the Pope hauing buried Mary her sister his former wife now being refused by her turned his loue into hatred Henry 2 King of France with whom she sought peace and amity brake out into open hostility His sonne Francis hauing married Mary the Queene of Scotland professed his Wife to be the heire of England assumed the Armes and Title thereof and sought to displace Elizabeth as one also accounted an Hereticke So were the great neighbour-States of Spaine France and Scotland her professed enemies Her Friends that would haue hâ—â—ped her were weake and could not but stood in need of helpe from her The Scots sore troubled with the French Armies procured by the Guisians The Low-Countries beaten down by the Duke of Alva Agent for the King of Spaine The Protestants of Denmarke and France were faine to craue aide from Her as also other friends did The State at home was much troubled the treasure exhausted and oppressed with great debt contracted by King Henries boundlesse expences King Edwards minority and Queene Maries forraigne marriage and other troubles the land without strength forces souldiers artillery powder and treasure Calis lately lost and nothing seemed lefâ— but a weake and poore State destitute of meanes and friends So that her great neare Neighbours round about her made no other account of her but as one left to be a prey to the strongest that would inuade her Yet see the mighty hand and blessing of God vpon her not onely to deliuer her out of all these difficulties but further to enable her to support her friends and to match and master her enemies When shee prouided Armour at Antwerpe and King Philip caused it to bee stayed yet she partly procured Armour and Weapons out of Germany but principally God opened new Brasse Mines in England which had been long before neglected sufficient for vs and to vent into other Countries and yeelded vs then first the stone called Lapis calaminaris needfull for working in Brasse By meanes whereof She caused store of Gunnes to be cast of Brasse and Iron at home and Gunpowder also then first to be made in England which before was bought from other Countries Camden ibid. pag 27. And further By the happy abolishing of the Popes Religion as England became the most free of all other Countries in the world the Scepter being as it were manumitted from the former seruitude of the Bishop of Rome so it became also more rich then in former Ages a great masse of money being kept at home which formerly was exhausted and yearely and daily carried to Rome for first fruits Indulgences appeales dispensations Palles such other things Strengthned therefore by all these blessings She fortified Barwicke against Scotland and prouided a great Nauy to safeguard the Sea-coasts And whereas former Kings hyred ships from forraigne places Hamburg Lubecke Dantiske Genua Venice c. Now She built great store of ships of Warre Herselfe and all Coast-townes with incredible alacrity wondring at her wisedome and care of them did the like So that in short time England was able to employ twenty thousand men in Sea-fight at once And her enemies began to feare her more then she did them And such was her power and policy See Speedes Chronicle in Elizabeth § 347. seq and Gods extraordinary blessings vpon them that the great affaires of Europe mainly depended vpon Her directions She sitting at the helme of the ship as Fronto spake of Antonius the Emperour arbitrated and guided their estates both in peace and warre Spaine seeking to ouerflow all was beaten backe and scarcely able to maintaine her owne Barkes In France the house of Valoys vnderpropped by Her counsell that of Bourbons
Iosephists Esperonists Arnoldists Wiclifists Hussits c. to omit other nick-names giuen them vpon other causes § 3 And now secondly that they were our fore-runners in the points of Religion wherein we differ from you your Writers shew plentifully a Hist Waldens Book 1. cap. 8. Aeneas Sylvius and Iohn du Bravius in their histories of Bohemia make the doctrine taught by Calvin all one with that of the Waldenses And the same Sylvius saith b Aeneas Sylv. hist Bohem. cap. 35. The Hussites did imbrace the opinions of the Waldenses And Hosius heres lib. 1. saith the leprosie of the Waldenses infected all Bohemia Lindanus in his Analyticke Tables makes Caluin inheritor of the Doctrine of the Waldenses Thomas Walden c VValden lib. 6. de reb Sacram. tit 12. cap. 10. saith The doctrine of the Waldenses crept out of the quarters of France into England meaning by Wiclife against whom he wrote d D. Vsher Gravis quaest cap. 8. §. 1. Poplinerius saith The Waldenses and Albigenses about the yeere 1100 and the succeeding times spread their doctrine parum differentem little differing from that which the Protestants now imbrace Lancelotus du voisin Poplinerius histor Franc. lib. 1. fol. 7. b. edit anno 1581. e Ib. cap. 9. §. 22. Gretserus the Iesuite calls the Albigenses Waldenses and Berengarians Caluinianorum atavos the Caluinists great grandfathers Gretser prolegâ—m in scripta edita contra Wald. cap. 5. f D. Abbot against Hill Reason 1. §. 18. Francis Guicciardin an Italian and Florentine Historian writing of the yeere 1520. lib. 13. saith that Luther set abroad the doctrine of the Bohemians naming Hus and Hierom. And Petrus Messias a Spaniard in the life of Wenceslaus mentioning the opinions of Hus and the Bohemians saith They were the seed of those errours as he cals them which were afterwards in Germany to wit taught by Luther g Ib. §. 29. And Iohannes Cocleus a man that had laboured in the story of the Hussites and set out bookes thereof and also wrote sharpely against Luther saith that Hus did commit spirituall fornication with many aliens with the Wiclivists the Dulcinists the Leonists the Waldenses the Albigenses and others of that sort enemies of the Church of Rome And he saith that Luther followed Hus his Doctrine lib. 2. de Actis scriptis Lutheri And cals the Lutherans new Hussites And againe lib. 3. and lib. 8. he saith that vnto his time till Luthers time and after there remained the sect of the Thaborites in many places of Bohemia and Moravia vnder the name of Picards and Waldenses h Histor Albigens lib. 1. cap. 8. Eckius in his common places cap. 28. saith Luther had done nothing else but renew the heresies of the Waldenses Albigenses Wiclife and Iohn Hus. § 4 Antiquus Sir our men deny not but these Waldenses and others were Luthers fore-runners in many things but they held some things which you are ashamed to hold and therefore were not of your Church or Religion Antiquissimus I know well that many errours were imputed to them which they neuer held As i B. Vsher Grauiss quaest cap. 10. §. 15. Bernardus Girardus the French Historian lib. 10. saith Although they had some ill opinions yet these did not so much stirre vp the hatred of the Pope and great Princes against them as their freedome in speech which they vsed in blaming and reprouing the vices dissolute manners life and actions of Princes Ecclesiasticall persons and the Pope himselfe That was the chiefe thing which drew the hatred of all vpon them effecit vt plures nefarie affingerentur eis opiniones à quibus omnino fuerant alieni this caused many wicked opinions to be deuised and fathered of them from which they were very free and guiltlesse k Ib. cap. 8. §. 28. Thuanus histor lib. 5. anno 1550. reckons vp their opinions thus They held that the Church of Rome because it had forsaken the true faith of Christ was that Whore of Babylon and that barren tree which Christ cursed and therefore we ought not to obey the Pope and Bishops which fostered his errours that the Monasticall life was the sinke and kennell of the Church the vowes thereof vaine and seruing onely for vnclean lusts that the Priests orders were notes of that beast mentioned in the Reuelation that purgatory fire sacrifice of the Masse Sanctuaries or hallowed places about Churches worshipping of Saints offerings for the dead were the Inuentions of Sathan Then he addeth To these certaine and chiefe heads of their doctrine alia afficta others are fained and deuised concerning Mariage resurrection the state of soules after death and of Meates l B. Iewel Apol. cap. 1. diuis 1. Bishop Jewell saith our ancient Christians were slandered that they made priuy meetings in the darke killed yong babes fed themselues with mens flesh and like Sauage and brute beasts did drinke their blood In conclusion how that after they had put out the Candles they committed adultery or incest one with another brethren with sisters sonnes with theiâ— mothers without shame or difference men without all Religion enemies of mankind vnworthy to be suffered in the world Thus they said of the ancient Christians and thus they said of the Waldenses most vniustly and vntruely of both you doubt not of the former let many of your owne Writers satisfie you of the later m Vsher grav qu. cap. 6. §. 11. Rainerius whose booke Gretserus the Iesuite lately set out among other Writers of the Waldenses saith The Waldenses were the most dangerous sect to the Church of all other for three causes the third whereof is that whereas other sects through the outragiousnesse of blasphemy against God worke a horrour in men this sect of the Leonists hath a great shew of piety because before men they liue iustly and of God they beleeue all things piously and hold all the articles contained in the Creed onely they blaspheme and hate the Roman Curch for which the multitude is easie to beleeue n Hist â—ald booke 1. cap. 5. Iacobus de Riberia in his collections of the Citie of Tholous saith the Waldenses wonne all credit from the Priests and made them little esteemed by the holinesse of their liues and excellency of their doctrine The like saith Rainerius cited ib. De forma haeret fol. 98. And Clauâ—ius de Scissel Archbishop of Turin saith they liued vnreproueably without reproach or scandall among men cited ib. In his Treatise against the Waldenses The B. of Canaillon sent a certaine Monke a Diuine Vesembec Oration of the Waldenses citat ib. to conferre and conuince the Waldenses of Merindal in Prouince who vpon his returne said He had not so much profited in all his life in the Scriptures as hee had done in those few dayes conference with the Waldenses Wherevpon the Bishop sent diuers Doctors to confound them but vpon their returne one of them said with a
loud voyce that he had learned more touching the Doctrine necessary to saluation by the Waldenses instructing their children in their Catechisings then in all the disputations of Diuinity which he had euer heard in Paris § 5 Antiquus I will not stand vpon those foule errours which some authors attribute to the Waldenses but there are nine points which the late learned Iesuite a Parsons three Conversions part 2. cap. 10. §. 26. Robert Parsons saith All Authors that write of the Waldenses doe attribute vnto them which I hope you will be ashamed to maintaine Those shew that you and they are not of one Church Antiquissimus Those shew the vanity and shamelesnesse of that man that to the face of the world auoucheth all Authors when many Authors say the plaine contrary This first article or errour which he saith they hold is that all carnall concupiscence and coniunction is lawfull when lust doth burne vs. And therefore some adde that in the darke they practise all kinde of carnall mixtures with whomsoeuer they first meet c. A filthy slander laid as well vpon the b Origenes lib. 6. contra Celsum Euseb hist lib. 4. cap. 7. See Cecilius his wicked Oration in Minuty Felicis Octauio recited also by D. Vsher Grau quaest cap. 6. §. 12 See him also ib. §. 20. Primitiue Christians as vpon them And them your owne Rainerius cited before cleareth saying Haec Leonistarum secta magnam habet speciem pietatis eo quod coram hominibus iuste viuant bene omnia de Deo credant c. Againe Casti sunt Leonistae pag. 231. lin 48. And againe Quaelibet naturâ turpia deuitant Item suos subditos ad eadem diligenter informant Ib. pag. 232 42. Rerum Bohemic script a M. Frehero edit Hanov. an 1602. They c In their booke of remedies against sinne cap. 21. cited in the History of the Waldenses booke 1. cap. 4. informe their people against this sinne thus The sinne of luxury is very pleasing to the Diuell displeasing to God and iniurious to our neighbours because therein a man obeyeth the basest part of his body rather then God who preserueth it A foolish woman doth not onely take from a man his good but himselfe too He that is giuen to this vice keepes faith to no man and therefore Dauid caused his faithfull seruant to be slaine that he might enioy his wife Amon defiled his sister Thamar This vice consumes the heritage of many as it is said of the prodigall child that he wasted his goods liuing luxuriously Balaam made choice of this sinne to prouoke the children of Israel to sinne by occasion wherof there dyed 24000 persons This sinne was the cause of the blindnesse of Sampson it peruerted Solomon and many haue perished by the beauty of a woman Prayer and Fasting and distance of place are the remedies against this sinne For a man may ouercome either vices by combating with them but in this he is neuer victorious but by flying from it and not approaching neere vnto it whereof we haue an example in Joseph It is therefore our duties to pray daily to the Lord that he will keepe vs from the sinne of luxury and giue vs vnderstanding and chastity Thus they taught and professed and is it credible had they practised the contrary they could haue continued so long and drawne so much of the world to imbrace their Religion with so great dangers and persecutions as they did No saith your d Rainer cited before §. 4. lâ—tâ—n Rainerius the honesty and râ—ghteousnesse of their liues was the greatest attractiue that drew the world after them to the greatest danger of the Church of Rome The sâ—coâ—d article of Parsons is They held all othes vnlawfull to Christians for any cause whatsoeuer in the world â—â—cause it is written Nâ—litâ—â—urare doe not sweare Mâ—tth 5. Iames 5. Aâ—swer Indeed they eschewed the common practise of swearing according to Christs precepts Matth. 5 37. but saith your Rainerius to avoyd corporall death and the reuealing of their brethren they would sweare But how agrees that with that which e Gabriel Prateclus Pauperum de Lugduno error 3â— Pratoclus saith of them That they held that no deadly sinne was to be tollerated though it were to auoyd a greater euill The truth is in iudgement they sticked not to sweare truely but in triuiall matters they would not sweare rashly which gaue occasion of that cavil As your Rainerius saith Dâ—cent vitare mendacium detractionem iuramentum ibid. 222. 15 16. f In their book entituled The spirituall Almanacke in the third comment cited by Hist Wald. Book 1. cap. 4. Their own doctrine is that there are lawfull oathes tending to the honour of God and the edification of our neighbours as in Hebr. 6.16 and as Israel was inioyned to sweare by the Name of the eternall God Deut. 6.13 and by the example of those oathes that past betwixt Abimeleck and Isaac Gen. 26.30 and the oath of Iacob Gen. 31.53 The third article is that no iudgement of life and death is permitted to Christians in this life for that it is written Nolite Iudicare Matth. 7. luke 6. Answ But Rainerius tels a contrary tale of a Waldensian Glouer who being condemned and led to death said openly in the hearing of all You now condemne vs rightly for if we had power ouer you as you haue ouer vs we would exercise it against your Clerkes and Religions ib. 222. 47. This cauill arose vpon their complaining of the Magistrates to whom they were deliuered vp by the Inquisitors Priests and Fryers who were their enemies not indifferent men but passionate and so they were condemned and executed by them without hearing examining or knowing of their cause This cruell simplicity of the Magistrates they spake against in their complaint to Ladislaus King of Hungary and Bohemia and elsewhere g In their booke entituled The light of the treasure of Faith fol. 214. cited ibid. But their doctrine was That they were not to suffer the Malefactor to liue and that without correction and discipline doctrine serues to no purpose neither should iudgements be acknowledged nor sinnes punished And therefore iust anger is the Mother of discipline and patience without reason the seed of vices and permitteth the wicked to digresse from truth and honesty The fourth article is That the Creed of the Apostles is to be contemned and no account at all to be made of it Answ Who would thinke that wise men would thus play the fooles In deed they account not the Salutation of the Angel to the B. Virgin nor the Apostles Creed to be prayers saith Rainerius ibid. 232. 10. h Rainerius supra §. 4. lit m. But yet they reuerently receiue the whole New Testament and the Apostles Creed which is gathered out of it Et credunt omnes articulos qui in Symbolo continentur saith the same Author And in their books they haue very good and