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A08448 A tragoedie or dialoge of the vniuste vsurped primacie of the Bishop of Rome, and of all the iust abolishyng of the same, made by master Barnardine Ochine an Italian, [and] translated out of Latine into Englishe by Master Iohn Ponet Doctor of Diuinitie, neuer printed before in any language Ochino, Bernardino, 1487-1564.; Ponet, John, 1516?-1556. 1549 (1549) STC 18770; ESTC S113413 128,091 218

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them the true meanyng of those thynges which the same apostles dyd writ preache and publishe abrode plentifully So that the gospell is moste perfecte and full as Paule wrote to the Hebrues And as for the pope he is all together contrary to all these thynges that be spoken First and formost he sayeth that holy scripture is imperfect and is not sufficient to declare fully all mattiers that belonge to saluacion and that he can adde vnto it as he hathe done when he allowed those bokes that be apocripha and of none authoritie for holy bokes as though they were in the canon And also when he made an innumerable sorte of decrees and decretalles and commaundementes of manne and articles of our fayth And he sayeth more ouer thougheit be closly that the twelue articles of the faythe deliuered and preached by the Apostles be not sufficient to saluacion And then the Apostles bee damnned all christian men who hath not receyued the lyghte of the articles obseruacions and commaundementes of the Pope So that it must folowe in the name of God that the Popes were wyser then Christ hym selfe or at the least wyse were more mercifull bycause they haue opened so many thynges to the worlde whiche bee as they saye necessarye to oure saluacion and neuer opened neither by Christe nor god But what a mischeuous dede is it that all these articles of the faythe made by the Pope bee all together repugnaunt and quite contrarye to the articles of the Apostles and to all holy scripture as it is well knowen For brefely in the Creade and in holye scripture it is comprehended that it is god by whose goodnes and grace throughe Christe who suffered death for vs who rose againe and ascended into heauen and sitteth on the ryghte hande of God the father all creatures muste receyue saluacion and also fele hys plentiful loue towardes vs through the holy gost and that he who beleueth in Christ shal haue lyfe euerlastyng as he hym selfe is a witnes But the contentes of the Popes articles bee all together contrary to thys geare that is to say that fayth in Christ is not sufficent to saluacion and that it is necessarye to beleue that the Pope hath authoritie ouer all And that we must beleue accordyng to the doctrine of y e Pope that neither the grace of Christ nor the death of Christ is sufficient to saluacion but that our meritorious workes must also of necessitie be added with confession deuised by the Pope and hys absolutions pardons and prayer to Sayntes and besydes all thys the fire of purgatory And that the holy gost as they saye is not enoughe for the vnderstandynge of holy scripture and to knowe the wyll and pleasure of God but that the Pope muste expounde all thynges No manne canne denye but thys is a very settinge of him selfe aboue God Daniel wrote wonderfull learnedly of hym saying that he shall induce men noughtely and wickedly to breake their promises that they haue made to God For euen as God who is the well springe of all goodnes promised in Aabraham to be our god that he woulde take y e charge of euery one of vs woulde gyue himself for vs makyng vs pertakers of all hys felicitie And we agayne haue promised hym that we wyll be hys people to aske and loke for al goodnes at his hand only to acknowledge him onely our God and will gyue thankes and render honor wurshyp to him alone On thother side the pope sayeth naye to this geare that God is angry with vs and that Christ coulde not sufficiently pacifie hys wrath but that the Pope must helpe with his authoritie and the Saynctes with their prayers and merites also we our selues with our good workes and also the deuells with theyr fyer of purgatory Therfore is it very trewe that Daniel sayd that he should chaunge the tymes he shoulde transpose the tyme of grace into the tyme of the lawe the tyme of light into the tyme of darknes Neyther thinke they it a dede mischieuouse enoughe to make newe articles of the faythe at theyr pleasure contrary to tharticles of god excepte also they depraue the lawe of god with their preceptes and commaundementes which commaundementes be also contrary to the commaūdementes of God For it is without controuersy that all the lawe of God doeth depende vpon the loue towardes god and towardes oure neighbour and the pope myndynge to destroye bothe the partes of the lawe of god hathe infected purposely these two chiefe groundes vpō the which hange al the lawe ● the prophetes For he affirmeth cōtrary to thexpresse worde of God y t god requireth not necessarely of vs that we shoulde loue hym with all our hart with all oure soule and all oure mynde but that we shoulde loue hym aboue al other thynges affirminge that to be the commaundemente and to loue god with all oure hearte is but a counsell And as touchinge oure neyghbour of a lyke sort he sayeth that it is a counsell and a perfection and not cōmaundement to loue oure enemy with all our harte but that onelye we ought to shewe outward tokens of loue towardes our enemyes And agayne whereas the lawe is most perfect there sayth he that it is vnperfecte therfore he holdeth that it is lawfull and that wee ought to adde some thing vnto it and to doe some workes besydes them that be commaunded in the lawe of god whiche be called supererogatory workes that is to say workes that be not commaunded For this cause hathe he deliuered new rules to the world new trades of lyuyng ordinaunces and commaundementes suche it may chaunce as he dremed when he was in some frensy vtterlye pugnant cōtrary to y e cōmaūdementes of god wheras god commaunded himself onely to be wurshipped he will also be wurshipped of vs and moreouer commaundeth vs that we shall not onely worship Sainctes but also theyr dead bodies and relikes God willeth and commaundeth vs that we shal make no ymage neither of himselfe neither of any other creature any picture or similitude to be worshipped The pope willeth commaundeth ymages and pictures of Sainctes to be made to bee set vp all aboute in the churche in euery corner there to be wurshipped that no place there bee voyde of ydolatrye Of a lyke sorte god commaundeth that no man should take hys name in vayne that is to saye when a man promyseth any thynge by an othe takinge god to witnes he muste kepe the thinge that he promyseth but the pope denieth that promes ought to be kept with heretikes as he taketh heretikes that is to saye with true Christian men willinge and commaunding with expresse wordes to deceaue thē that they maye be betrayed and burned thoughe he haue sworne the cōtrary neuer so much taking god and all saynctes to witnes Yea he doeth pardon forgeue and absolue men from theyr rightfull othes in honest ciuile matters so that it redounde
a heuy thing for me if Rome shoulde be turned into Troy The curche Besides this noble dignitie of our byshop I am to muche occupied with an infinite number of matters of ceremonies of sutes and controuersies of other prophane thīges that I haue no time left to scratch my head wherfore now wil I forsake you But I wyll tel you one thyng yet before I goe Sence this man was created pope I haue ben wonderfully vexed and sicke bothe in body and soule euen as though I had dronke a pocion of poyson And I canne not well tell whether I gat thys sycknes of to muche ioy wherewith I was replenyshed by the reason of the greatnes of my promocion or elles of thintollerable burden of businesses which grow towardes me dayly Nowe haue I nothinge elles to saye but that I offer my newe kindes of marchandise to bee solde to you before other and that better chepe than any straunger shall haue them The people I thanke you for youre marchant lyke ciuilitie and agayne I offer vnto you my fauor and all my strength and power to defend and increase the greatnes of your honour The Pope Mans Iudgement The people of Rome The Pope AT the last we be come to thys highe honor whiche we haue so much desired and that is more to bee wondered at by the whole consent of all the people of Rome I would neuer haue thought suche a numbre of the nobilitie woulde haue come to gratifie me and to increase my ioye They thynke verely that thys oure promocion shall increase and amplifie their ryches and power not a litle But I am informed for a certayntie that many foren churches were muche vexed therwith namelye suche as bee of the East partes Wherfore we vnderstande that they sende embassadors what they bee I can not tell to replye agaynst the thynge and it maye so be that they wyll dryue the matter to a disputacion Now is it therfore necessarie for vs to arme our selues for oure defence and as in a matter of great weyghte and importaunce to vse a wittie counsell Wherfore mans iudgement who art one of my pryuye counsell with thee I thynke it best to consult Mans iudge Truely sir I haue tossed turned al this matter in my minde agayne and agayne after long and earnest fantasyinge I conclude that there is no more presente remedie to preserue increase and establish thys your promocion kingdom and authoritie then to contend and earnestly to stand in it that it is not the ordinaunce of man but of God So that it is Christ hymself who hath ordeined you to be supreme head of the churche and that with a whole fulnes of power otherwyse shall ye hange alwayes vpon the Emperour who hath placed you in this highe estate of honoure by that meanes as he once gaue it you so maye he agayne take it awaye from you Moreouer your Empier and authoritie cannot be stretched out further then the coastes of the Empier of Rome extendith besydes thys all Christendō wyll laugh to scorne thys fayned and conterfect dominion Crying out that Christe is the supreme head of his churche and that he alone is able ynoughe to gouerne it well with out the helpe of an other head or of any other deceyptfull manne as he hath by hys ministers gouerned it hetherto But yf ye contende earnestly that it is Christ who hath put you in thys place ye shall bothe be deliuered from hanging vpon the Emperour and shall also be as farre aboue hym as holy and spirituall matters are to be preferred to matters prophane and worldely So that your authoritie being by thys meanes established ye shall enter into all the coastes of the yearth There shal be no Christian men in the worlde but when they shall bee persuaded that Christe was the author of thys ordinaunce who hath made you his vicar of whome ye haue receyued thys highe authoritie but they wyll come to you of their owne swynge as thoughe they would wurship this Godhead of yours in earth and wyll glorye that they maye obey you The Pope I woulde alowe thys counsell of yours very well yf it might be brought to passe by any meanes that I coulde persuade so manifest a vanitie to the worlde Mans iudge The folishenes of manne is growen so farre nowe accompanied with a wonderfull deceyt and wickednes I of my selfe am so subtile craftie that me thynketh it a thyng easie to persuade yea and that I nowe see the meanes howe The Pope I desire of all loues that ye wyll tell me by some inkeling what thyng it is that ye euen nowe mused vpon for ye may well know that it is my ioy to talke of suche thynges Mans iudge Yf there coulde bee one iote founde in the holy scripture wherupon wee myght leane for a profe that Paule the Apostle was ordeyned of God to bee supreme and vniuersall head of the churche militant yea thoughe it semed writhed and wrasted with the braakes of your authoritie and drawen by violence to our purpose agaynst the naturall sence yet so that there were some like●yhod therin the victorye were ours For it is euident by the worde of god that Paule was some tyme at Rome thoughe he were then in prison yet shall wee persuade by all meanes possible that he was made Byshop of thys Citie whose office and dignitie you haue by inheritaunce and succe●syon obteyned I haue occupied my fantasie to and fro and haue chewed thys question diligently and so at the last I perceyue that there be many wordes in the holy scripture whiche with a litle wrasting woulde make the blinde ignoraunt common people gyue credite to thys vayne opinion that Paule was the chiefe of all the Apostles and vniuersall head of all the churches of Christe And yet shall we not therfore obteyne all our purpose For the selfe same holy scripture is in other places directlye and in playne wordes againste vs. Forasmuche as it is euident that Paule thapostle was none of the twelue Apostles of Christ yea and when Christ was here in earthe he was his enemie and persecutor and afterwarde also a certayne space Neither is it lykelye that Christ woulde ascende into heauen but woulde first well forsee to his churche and leaue vnto it one certayne head to be hys vicar occupie hys rowme Thys thyng was very necessary for him to doe This last reason must we alleage earnestly and defende it stoutly yf we intende to obtayne oure purpose But nowe haue I deuised a farre better waye There bee many places in the gospell whiche may easly be writhed to oure purpose That is to saye wherby some likelyhod maye be alleged that Peter thapostle was pronounced chiefe of the apostles by Christ his owne mouth and was created supreme head of his church militant Nowe yf we coulde bring hym to Rome make hym Byshop of thys citie it shall bee an easie thing to persuad that you be
pena et culpa neither to ordayne newe kyndes of wurshippinges neither to deuise newe doctrines or to make newe articles of the faythe or to deuise newe commaundementes and that vpon such a condicion that mennes consciences must bee forced tyed to beleue thesame wicked decrees of menne with a tirannicall payne euen to the death to the sworde to the flame and fire appoinctyd for the transgressors of thesame ordinaunces Christ sayed to hys Apostles ye shal be my witnesses not onely in Hierusalem but also in all Iury and Samaria euen to the vttermoste partes of the worlde And it is playne that witnesses muste testifye the treuthe and neither adde nor take away from thesame any word namely when as the church of Christ is his spouse and she must be obedient vnto him as to her husband and speake those wordes only which she heareth of him For Christ opened to his Apostles and to the fyrste beginninge of his churche all thynges that semed profitable and necessary to thobteyninge of saluacion wherefore he sayed to his disciples I haue disclosed all thinges vnto you that I haue receaued of my father The holy gooste opened theyr myndes that they myght vnderstande the scriptures and informed and taught them all suche thynges as Christe had sayed vnto them So that it can not be without a very heynouse offence that any thinge should be added to the doctrine of Christ and thapostles and of the fyrste moste pure and syncere churche Wherfore eyther Christe is a lyar when he sayeth that he taught all or elles were the apostles wicked in that they did not put the rest of the articles of our faythe into the Creede whiche the byshoppes of Rome boaste they could fynd out afterwarde and that suche articles as they saie as be very necessary besides a greate number of preceptes whiche they haue inuented The Euangelistes also shoulde haue ben wicked creatures to kepe hidde thinges so necessary to oure saluacion But neither were thapostles wycked neyther Christe a lyar For bothe Christe taught all thynges necessary and they deliuered thesame to menne accordinglye And Christ commaunded them precisely that they should teache the people to obserue and kepe all those thynges not whiche they dreamed themselues but whiche he commaunded them Yea and Paule thapostle determined all creatures not humayne onely but celestiall also and angelicall to be accursed whiche preached any other gospel then the gospell of Christ. We be all borne a new by y e word of god by y ● which thing onely as by a perfect and stronge norishement we liue and continewe Now then when master Falsidicus thought the keyes to bee taken out of the popes handes by vnaunswerable reasons by and by he clapped hys handes vpon hys weapon sayinge Reade Saynct Luke and ye shall see howe Christe willeth the disciples to prouide for themselues two swordes Who makinge aunswere that they had twayne in a readines Christ sayed they were enoughe Therfore hath the Pope two swordes and the highest power vpon both sydes the one spiritual the other temporall Mas Oh what a fyne dialecticall witte was that Truelye thys consequence and reason coulde not be aunswered to Uerely I meruayle muche whye they haue not caused thys long tyme Saynct Peter to be paynted with keyes hangynge vpon hys girdle and holdyng two swordes in hys handes the one in the ryght and the other in the left to declare hys chiefe prerogatiue and so to make menne afrayd with that fearefull syght But tell me I praye you what aunswered the embassador to this Lepi He aunswered that Christe promised and gaue to Peter and the Apostles keyes and not swordes and that when Peter vsed a sworde for the defence of hys master Christ hymselfe stayed hys vnaduised rashenes Bycause the kyngdome of Christe is not of thys worlde neither is it worldly and yearthlye but heauenly and spirituall Neither was he sent of his father to reigne in this world of a carnal fashiō as in a kingdom but he was sent to minister and serue and to geue hys life for our saluacion And forasmuche as he sent his Apostles euen of a lyke fashion as he hym self was sent of his father he sēt them not as though they shoulde reygne in the worlde but to be lyke innocent lambes amongest wolues And to mynde to stablishe one supreme head in the churche of Christe is nothynge els but a crownynge agayne of Christe with a crowne of thorne and when he is apparelled with a purple and a kyngly vesture to deliuer hym to menne to be made a laughing stocke as he was scorned in tymes past of the Iewes when he honge vpon the crosse Therfore Christ foreseing that his Apostles would be offended with his death and woulde slippe from that trust they had in hym as he prophecied to them before he demaunded of them whether they wāted any maner of thing whē he sent thē forth naked and destitute of all mannes helpe And when they aunswered that they wanted nothyng he sayed nowe then prouide you for swordes as thoughe he had sayed Hetherto haue I bene your mercifull master and gouernour I haue defended you I haue prouided all necessaries for you as for my beloued chyldrē ye lacked nothing I toke the tuition of you But bycause within thys short space when ye shall see me caught by the handes of the wicked and bounde in conclusion dye ye will be offended with that miserable syght and will faynt from that sure trust that ye haue had in me hetherto it is nedefull that from hence forth ye prouide for your selues and therfore I gyue you warninge to prepare ye swordes for youre defence for the persecution that commeth vpon you shal be great And when they shewed two swordes sayed master loe here be two swordes Christ answered them rebukingly with a priuie checke saing they be ynough Thys was a wonderfull declaracion and fygure of the dulnes of the Apostles and of the clemencie of Christe Euen as thoughe tender infantes shoulde haue shewed their father two speres made of reedes and then aske of hym whether that speres of reede were sufficient to ouercome an excedyng strong armie vnto whom the father shoulde aunswere with a smilling countenaunce saying yea they be sufficiēt as though he had sayed O ye tenderlynges thynke you y t speres of reed can preuayle without my helpe Now is it here euident first and foremost that Christ gaue not swordes to his Apostles whereof it foloweth that he gaue them not the supreme power and authoritie bothe spirituall and temporall whiche is shadowed as you holde opiniō by these two swordes And more ouer Peter only made not thanswere Loe here be two swordes but the disciples as Luke playnly doeth witnes Neyther is it red any where that Peter alone had two swordes And althoughe it were so that the highest supremacie wher shadowed by these two swordes yet maye