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A44839	The difference of that call of God to the ministry which is by the power of his own gift and measure of life, revealed, and of that, which is received of man, and taught by man, as is manifest by these two severall calls, herein declared, with several principals relating to this second call, answered / by Richard Hubberthorn.	Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.	1659 (1659)	Wing H3223; ESTC R21988	11,470	18

charge to say that Christ sent out a Devil to Minister the Gospel Pr. That the Spirit of God may accompany a Ministery and the Minister not have the Spirit Answ. This is another doctrine then ever the Prophets or Apostles preached for I never read in the Scriptures that ever any did Minister for God which had not the Spirit nor that ever any was converted unto God by such a Minister as had not the Spirit Therefore prove this assertion to the people where or when the Spirit of God did accompany that Ministery when the Minister had not the Spirit so that thou maist as well as thou hast said not pretend unto any infallibility nor unto any truth in thy Ministry for if thou didst people would see that thou didst pretend unto that which thou art far from so that if thou wouldst not pretend to Minister neither no more then to have the Spirit it were better for thee Pr. That the ●●wer that went forth in the Apostles Ministery was in God and not in them but as they have it communicated to them by the exercise of Faith Answ. Here thou hast confounded thy self for if they had it communicated to them by their exercise of faith then it was in them for the exercise of Faith is within in the pure Conscience and so the power was in them from which they Ministred and they did not abuse their power but from the power Ministred forth their gift as they had received it Thomas Rumsay said That we preach a doctrine of Devils in saying That men may be free from sin in this life Answ. Then the Apostle Paul preached a doctrine of Devils for he said Rom. 6. 2. How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein and in the seventh verse saith He that is dead is free from sin and in the eighteenth verse he saith to the Believers being then made freefrom sin Ye became the servants o● Righteousness and in the two and twentieth verse he again tells them That now being made free from sin and become servants to God you have four fruits unto holiness and the end Everlasting Life and this was spoken to the Romans while they were in this life and it was not a doctrine of Devils but the Doctrine of the Gospel and Christ preached the Doctrine of perfection in this life Mat. 5 48. saying Be ye perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect and also it is written Be ye Holy for I am Holy 1 Pet. ● 16 And this is not a doctrine of Devils but of Christ the Son of God and Paul preached Wisdom among thos● that were perfect Cor. 2. 6. and David preached the Doctrine of perfection in this life saying Mark the 〈…〉 ct man and behold the u●●ight for the end of that man is peace Psal. 37. 37. Now David did not bid them mark such a man as there was not so the Doctrine of perfe 〈…〉 is that Doctrine which both the Prophets Christ and Apostles preached and so not the doctrine of Devils if we preach the same but all those that preach up sin and that men must live in it and that they cannot be free from it while upon earth these are messengers of Sacan and preach the doctrine of Devils and people needs not that doctrine for they are willing enough to live in sin without having it preached up and being strengthened in it and that makes them so willing to pay the Priests such wages for calling the proud happy and those that work wickednesse Saints and Justified persons for without such wages not a Priest in England would preach peace to them in their sins but they would all be silent for if people come once to know Christ their Teacher and he in them the Hope of Glory who saves his people from their sins then no man will buy their merchandize any more but will come all to hear and learn of the Father and come to witness his Covenant and his Teachings and shall not need that one teach another saying know the Lord For all shall know him from the least to the greatest Heb. 8. 11. and this shall all come to witness that come to be Translated into the Kingdom of the dear Son of God and then shall they come to witness his Words which is the Lord from Heaven who saith Be ye perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect and be ye Holy for I am Holy And this is the voice from Heaven THE END

THE DIFFERENCE Of that call of God to the MINISTRY VVhich is by the power of his own gift and measure of life revealed And of that which is received of man and taught by man As is manifest by these two several calls herein declared with several Principals relating to this second call Answered By RICHARD HUBBERTHORN LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth near Aldersgate 1659. TO THE READER IT being of the Lord so ordered that a publick dispute was appointed betwixt Thomas Dance Priest in Sandwich in Kent and those called Quakers which was upon the twelfth and thirteenth daies of the second moneth in which many weighty things concerning Religion was discoursed of in which it was first proved by us according to the Scripture that Christ Jesus the true light hath enlightened every one that commeth into the World John 1. 9. and John 12. and another weighty matter concerning Religion discoursed upon was the righteousnesse by which man is justified before God which by us was witnessed and proved to be onely by the righteousness that was in Christ Jesus being also made manifest in us the everlasting righteousness being brought in according to Dan. 9. 24. again upon the tenth day the discourse was whether the Scriptures were the word of God the Answer was that the Scriptures were writings and the writings was not the word but the thing written of was the word of God unto which the Priests also consented Another thing was concerning the call to the Ministry whether theirs or ours was according to the Apostles and according to the Scriptures the heads of both which calls is declared as followeth that all people may judge according to their measure of the gift of Christ whether of them is according to Scripture Testimony A Call to the Minstery according to the Scriptures held forth in these few words following Contrary to that Call which is of man and by man THat by which the Apostles were called into the work of the Ministry having gifts differing according to the measure of the manifestation of Christ by the same am I called which is also according to the Scriptures as Eph. 4. Unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gifts of Christ by which gift according to the measure of it were they made Some Apostles some Prophets some Evangelists some Pastors and Teachers c. And this was by the Power Vertue and Operation of the gift of Christ in them and as then so now for there is not another way to be called into the Ministery by neither doth any profit the people at all but they who minister from the power moving of that gift which they have received from the Father by Jesus Christ by which gift was I called out of the World and separated for the work of the Gospel by which gift I saw that which had corrupted the earth by it was moved to minister against it which gift is that which hath the power in it both to convince convert unto God according as the Apostle Peter who was unlearned in the Letter wa● made a Minister by the gift of the Spirit of Christ and saith 1 Pet. 4 10. As every one hath received the gift even so let him minister the same one to another as good stewards of the manifold Grace of God And If any man speak let him speak as the Oracle of God and if any man Minister let him do it as of the ability which God giveth that God in all things may be glorified So that that Ministery by which God is glorified and people converted is that which proceeds from the operation and power of his own gifts in them which is that Ministery which perfecteth the Saints edifies the body of Christ Brings into the unity of the Faith unto the knowledge of the Son of God and unto a perfect man and unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ But they which gather Scriptures together in their earthly wisdom and from that which they have gathered minister unto others this ministery doth not perfect the Saints nor edifie the body of Christ nor bring to the unity of the Faith but into strife and divisions not to the knowledge of the Son of God but leads from his knowledge not unto a perfect man but pleads against perfection not into the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ no not unto the measure of the least Saint so that Ministery is to be ceased from which proceeds not from the measure of the Fathers gift that onely continued unto the end of the World which his gift calleth into and carrieth on in So I by the measure of his free Spirit being called and made a Minister of it unto others ●ot of the Letter but of the Spirit in which in all ages the true Ministery stood having not received it of man neither was I taught it but by the revelation and manifestation of the life of Christ in me Which Spirit in me according to its measure is as true and as infallible as it was in them which by it were made Apostles Evangelists Prophets and Teachers formerly being the same in power vertue and operation as it was as able to reveal and make manifest to teach edifie and perfect as it was and to beget people out of the World into the Covenant of Light and Life and all who are Ministers of Christ for the gathering of his seed from the ends of the earth into the Kingdom of his dear Son must from the same Spirit witness their Call and separation to that work and all other calls are false and their ministery profits not which doth not singly proceed from the measure of that gift but all who do abide in the measure of his gift and from it minister by it they are manifest to be of God and in that Ministery they commend themselves unto every mans Conscience in the sight of God and this is the calling and Ministery in which as every one abide they glorifie God And this is the Ministery of reconciliation which was committed unto the Apostles and is unto his Ministers now by the power of which the Devils works comes to be destroyed and then all things reconciled in one things in heaven and things in earth but that ministery which is received from man and taught by man never reconciles any thing unto God but doth separate from God and beget into enemy but that which proceeds from the measure of the gift of God brings every one to know the truth in their own particular which truth as they abide in it sets them free from sin and this Ministery hath the power in it in all them that have received it to save them that preach it and them that hear it and obey it and no other Ministery doth profit the people at all but that which from the gift of God is ministred so that this Call and

Ministery here declared is one with and according to the Apostles and the Scriptures RICHARD HUBBERTHORN The Heads of Priest Dance his Professed Call to the Ministery as followeth Pr. If I should speak non-sence as others do then I might say that I am made a Minister by the measure of the gift of Grace and then I should be accounted a Minister as well as they c. But I do not pretend unto any infallibility in my Ministery but as these Act. 6. 6. Which when the Apostles had prayed laid their hands upon them although saith he that laying on of hands is not of such necessity but that a man may be a Minister without it and as Timothy although he had some extraordinary gifts yet he was not infallible 1 Tim. 4. 14. And saith he I desire the office of a Bishop which he that desireth desireth a good work according to 1 Tim. 3. 1. And as for his qualifications they are such as whereby he might have advantaged himself more abundantly in the World as to outward means and might have been cloathed in scarlet c. But did rather chuse and incline himself to be a Minister of the Gospel and that the outward means was not his end in chusing to be a Minister but if that he could be satisfied or see that there did not want Labourers in the Lords work he could freely leave off c. And further he said That God had made his preaching effectual for the converting of many and that there were many though not in that place yet some in that place of whom he could say as the Apostles said that they were the seal of his Ministery c. These being the Heads of the Particulars Objections against this Call WHereas thou saiest That it is non-sence to say that a man is made a Minister by the gift of Grace Answ. Then the Apostles spoke non-sence when they witnessed forth their Call to the Ministery for to every one of them was given Grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ from which Grace they did Minister Eph. 4. But the Apostles spoke sensible truth therefore he that contradicts it speaks non-sence and ignorance as will further appear in saying that he pretends unto no infallibility in his Ministry Answ. Then he pretends to nothing of the Spirit of God much less to be a Minister of the Spirit as Paul was 2 Cor. 3. 6. For every measure of the Spirit is infallible or undeceiveable but that which is fallible is deceiveable and whosoever is taught by that Spirit is deceived and Thomas Dance pretends to have no other Spirit but that which is deceiveable and fallible so that it is time to turn away from such Again he chargeth Timothy that he was not infallible which is a false charge for wherein was he fallible or deceiveable but he was so infallible that he not neglecting the gift of God that was in him he by it was able to save himself and those that heard him 1 Tim 4. 16. And he Ministred from the gift of God in him which he had received by Prophesie and so not from a fallible spirit but from the infallible and so is accused falsly by T. Dance Again Tho. Dance saith That he desireth the Office of a Bishop c. Answ. But consider what such a one must be which is blameless vigilant sober not rude and scornful but of good behaviour apt to teach not apt to laugh and jear and cause the people to be light and vain must he not be given to wine no striker not greedy of filthy lucre but patient not a brawler not covetous as it doth appear those Priests are guilty of which have nothing to preach from but the fallible spirit which doth alwayes deceive people but one that ruleth his own house well having his children in subjection with all gravity for if a man know not how to rule his own house will how shall he take care of the Church of God but it is manifest that Thomas Dance ruled not his own Church or people well but rather provoked them to wantonnesse rudenesse and laughter which is madnesse Not a novice least being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the Devil but T. D. was so lifted up in the pride of his heart that he gave two meanings to one place of Scripture and so falls into the condemnation of the Devil Pr. And whereas Thomas Dance saith That his qualification is such that he might have been cloathed in scarlet c. Answ. What mightest thou have been A Lawyer or Doctor as one of thy brethren said which if thou had by that the Nation is deceived though not in so high a measure as by professing the ministery but that is taken up as the most profitable trade to get means and live in pride What if thou hadst been cloathed in Scarlet in Velvet in Purple or any other gorgeous apparel and in that apparel which thou art already cloathed with wilt thou be condemned when thou comes to know any measure of the gift of the true Ministry to be thy guide Pr. Again whereas Thou takest the people to be a seal of thy Ministery An. All the people that were in place and some more may seal it to be fallible and deceiveable as thou hast confessed it to be but there is not one that can set to their seal that it hath brought them to a perfect man nor to the knowledge of the Son of God nor to the measure of the stature of the fulnesse of Christ and so it hath not effected any of the work of the true Ministry but when thou comes to be searched narrowly filthy lucre will be found to be the end for which thou Ministers without which thou would be silent And now further to manifest that he pretends not to any thing of the infallible spirit in his Ministry these his principles or doctrines declare as followeth with the answer of truth to them Pr. That every individual man was not enlightened by Christ Answ. Which doctrine is contrary to John 1. 9. which saith That was the true light which enlighteneth every one that commeth into the World and to pervert the Scripture he gave two meanings that the people might take whether they would so that they would but deny the form of sound words and the plain Scripture the first was this That Christ enlightened every man that is enlightened or else Secondly that he enlighteneth some in every Nation Now let people consider how that this can be the meaning of the Holy Ghost as he said it was seeing that here is two meanings and it is either the one or the other but he knowes not which doth plainly manifest that he hath not the mind of the spirit which is but one and speaks as it means but the Scriptures cannot be broken by such meanings which saith That every man is enlightened with the true Light Pr. That the whole body of the