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A01258 The reformed politicke. That is, An apologie for the generall cause of reformation, written against the sclaunders of the Pope and the League VVith most profitable aduises for the appeasing of schisme, by abolishing superstition, and preseruing the state of the clergie. Whereto is adioyned a discourse vpon the death of the Duke of Guise, prosecuting the argument of the booke. Dedicated to the King by Iohn Fregeuille of Gaut.; Politique reforme. English Frégeville, Jean de. 1589 (1589) STC 11372; ESTC S102664 75,347 102

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and therfore meaneth not that Lent and abstinence from mariage which were instituted long ago Hereto I aunswere that S. Iohn euen in his time said that there were many Antichristes and that thereby he knew the latter dayes then to be come so as if the time of the Apostles were by the holy Scriptures termed the latter dayes much better may the spirite of God in this place call those the latter dayes wherein both Lent and abstinence from mariage were brought in Infinite particularities which might be alledged will I omit as being content to haue touched some part of the grossest abuses and now will proceede to speake generally of our Doctors doctrine which I say can not be taxed of heresie Some thinges doe they hold common with the Catholickes and in some others doe they differ As well the one as the other haue some good thinges wherein they doe agree and in either of them may there be found some thinges disputable for all men are men Herein doe they differ that the Doctors which call them selues Catholickes I speake of those of our dayes haue their faces turned to superstition where as the Reformed Doctors haue as concerning that point satisfied them selues by departing from Popish superstitions Superstitious doctrine vpholdeth the worship of Images which is Idolatrie and it vpholdeth the prohibition from mariage and from the vse of meates which Gods spirite termeth the doctrine of deuils It is therfore found to be erronious sith the spirite of God doth say that such men cleaue to the spirites of error yea that they be euen reuolted from the faith shewing that they haue estranged them selues from the true groundes therof wherein it conuicted them of heresie In this then doe they differ videl that in the superstitious Doctors there is heresie but in the Reformed there is none Some matters there may be disputable in the authors of Reformation but no heresie that is no doctrine vtterly repugnant to the principles of faith I know there be Catholicke Doctors that some times doe skirmish against the Reformed to perswade men that there is errour in their writings doe often times propound such thinges as the others neuer spake of or if they haue spoken of any such do wrest their wordes into an other sence But admit that in some point there be some fault as all men are men we will not make our Doctors Apostles there is difference betweene a simple ouersight and an heresie but for that cause we may not taxe the Reformation of heresie seing that we accompt not our Doctors opinions as oracles or goundes of doctrine Moreouer we confesse that we drawe neare to the Lordes day and the day is so formed that the breake of the day goeth before the sunne rising and the sunne rising before noone The breake of day is neuer so cleare as the sunne rising neither is the sunne rising so light as high noone whereof we conclude that in the Reformation there is nothing so cleare but may be better lightened Againe a tree beareth fruicts that come not all vnto ripenesse but some part become vntimely fruictes which the tree letteth fall those are ordinarily soure bitter wormeaten c. and yet the rest of the fruict which groweth vntill it be ripe proueth very good Euen so this age hath brought forth many writers and infinite vayne writings neither haue we as yet seene for the most part other then vntimely fruicts of Reformation but when the ripe fruict appeareth then shall we know the excellencie thereof Hereupon is it said in the Reuelation let him that is holy sanctifie him selfe better which teacheth vs to labour for perfection by correcting the imperfections that be within vs. Moreouer I say that often times the Catholicke Doctors doe in their Pulpites striue against our Doctors and obteine all the victorie where as if they had to deale with a partie they might be forced to deuide it for he that maketh his own hands to play each against other is still sure to winne all but if he should set them to wrastle with an other is in daunger to lose But no man can say we haue done amisse in giuing ouer the Catholicke Doctours mainteiners of superstitious doctrines to the end to cleaue to others which mainteine no superstitions Superstitions then haue separated vs from the Pope not the state of the Clergie For we doe allow of the state of the Clergie as being ordeined by God so long as it cleaueth to Gods lawes which doe allow the estate thereof vpon condition that they renounce all superstitions repugnant to Gods word and exercise equitie charitie and mercy The Pope and his suppostes doe say that Reformation is a new matter and must therefore be authorised by miracles holding as a principle that euery new doctrine must be authorised by miracle Which if it be so I say their superstitions ought rather to be authorised by miracles as being more new then the religion of the Reformed For the Popes most auncient superstition is the same of the Crosse of Reliques which holy Crosse Helene the mother of Cōstantine the great found after the Councell of Nice the rest haue crept in since in processe of time as Images abstinence frō mariage Purgatorie such like those which were brought in by Helene the mother of great Cōstantin grand mother of superstition haue already cōtinued 1260. yeares which is the terme to thē prefixed in the Reuelation so as thereby we may know that they are come to their full periode I say therefore that the pure doctrine continued from the Apostles vnto the Councell of Nice that superstitions crept in since This doctrine then which was before the superstitions which were brought in by Helene and by the Popes augmented was pure and yet more auncient then superstition and is the doctrine which the Reformed doe shoot at The Religion therefore of the Reformed is more auncient then the Popes superstitions and therefore neede not to be authorised by miracles hauing already bene authorised by the same miracles which our Lord and the Apostles did worke and Popish superstition being the newer standeth in greater neede of authorising by miracles yea and thus much will I mainteine that albeit it had miracles yet might they not suffise to make it of authoritie For no miracles can authorise that doctrine which the holy Scripture declareth to be the doctrine of deuils Yea and Moses saith that albeit a Prophet or a dreamer should prophesie or dreame any such dreame as should peraduenture came to passe which were miracles sufficient to authorise any good doctrine yet if the same should preach false Gods he were not to be beleued but presently to be stoned to death Howbeit I say that in Popery they preach no false Gods but they doe thinges equiualent thereto For euery thing whereto man doth erect any worship is by that worship made a God so that as many Sainctes as they call
forced as is aforesaid vpon his knees to aske him forgiuenesse who besides in spite with bitter wordes set his feete vpon his throat As for the Emperour Fredericke the II. him did Pope Honorius the III. excommunicate and againe in fauour of Iohn king of Hierusalē release but he was againe by Gregorie the IX excommunicated and then might not be released but for money Thus are the releases of kings from excommunications as saleable also as the excommunications and Bulles This release cost him 120000. markes of gold yet did the same Pope Gregorie the IX againe excommunicate the said Emperour Fredericke the third time terming him the forerunning of Antechrist wherefore the Emperour might haue appealed as from a sclaunder howbeit if you take it that the Emperours were the forerunners of the Popes the Emperour might haue vrged a Minima This Pope also called the Emperour hereticke whereby it appeareth that the Reformed Princes are not the first Princes whō the Popes haue wrongfully excommunicated as heretickes for thereof grew the faction of Guelphes Gibellines which is an euident token that the Popes haue bene no other but perpetuall perturbers of the Empire whole estate of Europe He that lust to recken vp all the Emperours Kings Princes that the Popes haue brought to their endes as the Emperour Lewes IIII. whom Iohn XXII procured to dye as also Conradin king of Sicill and Fredericke Duke of Austrich who by the conspiracie of Clement IIII. were beheaded Also how oftentimes the Popes haue procured the subiectes to reuolte against the Emperours or other their Princes might find matter sufficient for a whole booke But what stand I vpō these thinges which are so plentifull in bookes Read the liues of the Popes the histories of Emperours the Chronicles of the French kinges and you shall finde histories enough that euidently doe shewe that the Popes neuer serued but to trouble the state of Europe euen since the time of Lewes the meeke against whō the Pope Gregory IIII. procured his owne childrē to cōspire as is aforesaid But what greater rashnesse and vanitie yea euē follie and phrenesie would a man desire then that of Pope Innocent III. who put the whole Realme of France into interdictiō and of Boniface VIII who denounced the Realme of Fraunce to be fallen into the Popes handes But this wound the king applied the remedie of the Scorpion for it cost the Pope his life Besides that king Philip the Faire forbad the trāsport of any coyne to Rome And it is to be noted that the Popes quarell was not as then vpon any hatred to Reformatiō for that was not yet in question but vpō a desire the Pope had to trouble the state of the Realme Neither did king Philip the Faire forbid the trasport of any money to Rome as being a Reformed but as a king desiring to mainteine the state of France True it is that the Reformed Princes are not the first Princes that haue bene excommunicated because they wold not cleaue to the Popes superstitions for Pope Gregorie III. excōmunicated the Emperor Leo III. for the same cause namely for that he would not suffer Images in the Churches wherin it appeareth that the cause of the Reformed is not so new as it semeth beside that it appeareth how ruinous this cup of deuils which is Idolatry is not only to the conscience but also to the state considering that it is the ouerthrow both of the Empire and Papacie It is the ruine of the Empire because that for Images this Pope Gregory IIII. procured all Italy to reuolt from the Empire and it is the ruine of the Papacie because that for these superstitions Boemia England most part of Germanie haue abandoned the Pope as France also with the rest of Europe wil shortly do Morouer there is great difference betwene being an heretick being by the Pope denounced and heretick for we know that the Pope hath sometimes excommunicated the Florentins and the Lawyers haue affirmed the excōmunication to be voyde as proceding of hatred and his hatred against Reformation is wel known to be the hatred of Cain who hated his brother Abel because Abels works were better then his Besides it is a principle of the Canon law that one excommunicate person can not excōmunicate an other one hereticke can not denounce another an hereticke neither one Apostate declare another an heretick or excommunicate person the Pope being such a one we haue iust occasion to appeale from his sentēce but we can proue that he is an hereticke an Apostate from the faith and excommunicate by such Iudges from whose sentence he can not appeale He is assuredly an hereticke which leaneth to a doctrine repugnant to the Gospell But the Pope leaneth to a doctrine repugnant to the doctrine of the Gospell taught by Iesus Christ therefore it followeth that the Pope is an hereticke My Minor I proue thus Iesus Christ in the Gospell forbiddeth his Disciples whose successor the Pope termeth him selfe to vsurpe such dominion ouer the Nations as Kings and Princes doe But this doctrine doth the Pope diametrally contrary vsurping dominion ouer the Nations yea euen ouer Emperours and Kinges the Pope therefore is an hereticke And S. Peter whose successour the Pope termeth him selfe doth forbid the vsurping of dominion ouer the Lordes inheritaunce which the Pope doth vsurpe Moreuer S. Peter saith There shalbe false teachers that shall make traficke of men that is to say make traficke of mens soules as the Reuelatiō doth expound it but the Pope maketh such traficke by his Bulles He is therefore a false teacher and consequently an hereticke S. Paule also whose sword the Pope saith that he beareth doth say that such as forbid mariage meates be Apostotaes from the faith also that they be cleauers to spirites of errors and the doctrines of deuils he speaketh thē of the Popes who in their vowed chastitie doe forbid mariage and in their Lent meates Thus the Pope bearing S. Paules sword beareth the sword that cutteth his owne throat And this we must also note that there be some Doctors which vphold superstitions others which forced by the Popes do endure them as loth to part from them without their Princes cōmaundement Now those doe we accompt meere superstitious and guiltie of these crimes which vphold and mainteine them but as for such as of force doe suffer them it were to be wished that they were come from among the others according to the saying of the Scripture Come forth of her my people whereby we open them such a passage as shall not be vncommodious for them Out of S. Paules wordes also where he saith whosoeuer participateth in the cup of deuils is iustly excōmunicate that is to say is excommunicable from the cup of Christ we may inferre that sith the Pope through his superstitions participateth in the cup of deuils he is excommunicate out of the cup of Christ Also it is a principle