that_o do_v not_o please_v you_o they_o refer_v themselves_o to_o the_o father_n for_o the_o first_o six_o hundred_o year_n till_o your_o abomination_n have_v leaven_v the_o world_n according_a to_o what_o be_v foretell_v rev._n 13._o 8._o ii_o my_o second_o consideration_n be_v this_o you_o do_v not_o only_o decline_v the_o scripture_n judgement_n but_o you_o infinite_o disparage_v and_o vilify_v it_o i_o meet_v with_o several_a passage_n quote_v out_o of_o your_o author_n to_o that_o purpose_n pop._n possible_o you_o may_v out_o of_o some_o inconsiderable_a one_o but_o not_o out_o of_o any_o of_o note_n and_o name_n in_o our_o church_n prot._n yes_o out_o of_o your_o prime_a author_n i_o read_v that_o cardinal_n hosius_n in_o his_o advertisement_n to_o king_n sigismond_n have_v this_o expression_n if_o they_o that_o be_v the_o heretic_n say_v it_o be_v write_v that_o be_v the_o voice_n of_o the_o devil_n speak_v in_o his_o member_n verbo_fw-la but_o that_o it_o be_v below_o a_o cardinal_n to_o read_v the_o bible_n he_o will_v have_v find_v the_o word_n also_o in_o christ_n mouth_n i_o read_v that_o costerus_n call_v the_o scripture_n by_o way_n of_o contempt_n paper_n and_o parchment_n god_n say_v he_o will_v noâ—_n have_v his_o church_n by_o which_o always_o understand_v the_o papist_n themselves_o now_o depend_v upon_o paper_n and_o parchment_n as_o moses_n make_v the_o carnal_a israelite_n and_o again_o that_o which_o be_v write_v in_o the_o heart_n of_o the_o church_n do_v by_o many_o degree_n excel_v the_o scripture_n first_o because_o that_o be_v write_v by_o the_o finger_n of_o god_n but_o this_o by_o the_o apostle_n 1._o as_o if_o the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v only_o a_o device_n of_o man_n i_o read_v that_o cardinal_n pool_n write_v to_o henry_n the_o eight_o say_v thus_o what_o a_o absurd_a thing_n be_v this_o that_o thou_o do_v attribute_v more_o authority_n to_o the_o scripture_n than_o to_o the_o church_n since_o the_o scripture_n have_v no_o authority_n but_o for_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n 92._o he_o mean_v the_o roman_a church_n i_o see_v we_o be_v high_o concern_v to_o please_v your_o church_n else_o we_o be_v like_a to_o have_v no_o scripture_n i_o read_v that_o pighius_fw-la say_v the_o apostle_n do_v never_o intend_v to_o subject_v our_o faith_n to_o their_o write_n but_o rather_o their_o write_n to_o our_o faith_n 2._o and_o afterward_o he_o say_v the_o scripture_n be_v as_o one_o say_v not_o more_o pleasant_o than_o true_o a_o nose_n of_o wax_n which_o suffer_v itself_o to_o be_v draw_v hither_o or_o thither_o as_o a_o man_n please_v 103._o i_o read_v that_o your_o bullenger_n say_v the_o scripture_n be_v the_o daughter_n the_o church_n the_o mother_n which_o give_v be_v and_o sufficiency_n to_o she_o she_o beget_v no_o wonder_n then_o the_o church_n make_v bold_a with_o the_o scripture_n to_o add_v or_o alter_v or_o dispense_v with_o it_o we_o all_o know_v the_o mother_n may_v correct_v the_o daughter_n i_o confess_v when_o i_o read_v those_o passage_n produce_v by_o our_o writer_n i_o suspect_v they_o wrong_v they_o be_v these_o thing_n true_a pop._n i_o acknowledge_v it_o and_o it_o be_v a_o vain_a thing_n for_o i_o to_o deny_v it_o for_o the_o book_n and_o those_o passage_n in_o they_o be_v extant_a under_o their_o own_o hand_n and_o i_o must_v confess_v these_o author_n be_v as_o considerable_a and_o approve_a as_o any_o we_o have_v but_o you_o ought_v to_o put_v a_o favourable_a sense_n upon_o they_o prot._n i_o will_v not_o strain_v they_o nor_o make_v they_o worse_o than_o they_o be_v take_v they_o as_o you_o will_v they_o be_v abominable_a expression_n and_o to_o i_o a_o great_a evidence_n that_o the_o scripture_n be_v no_o friend_n to_o your_o church_n and_o i_o conclude_v this_o to_o be_v one_o accomplishment_n of_o what_o christ_n have_v say_v every_o one_o that_o do_v evil_a hate_v the_o light_n neither_o come_v to_o the_o light_n lest_o his_o deed_n shall_v be_v reprove_v john_n 3._o 20._o and_o if_o this_o be_v the_o spirit_n by_o which_o your_o church_n be_v guide_v i_o be_o sure_a it_o be_v not_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n and_o of_o truth_n for_o that_o teach_v man_n reverence_n and_o love_n to_o the_o scripture_n you_o seem_v to_o do_v like_o herod_n who_o be_v convince_v that_o he_o be_v not_o of_o the_o royal_a race_n of_o the_o jew_n do_v burn_v their_o genealogy_n and_o record_n that_o his_o false_a pretence_n may_v not_o be_v confute_v by_o they_o and_o just_o so_o do_v you_o endeavour_v to_o do_v by_o the_o scripture_n iii_o my_o three_o consideration_n against_o your_o religion_n be_v this_o that_o your_o cause_n be_v such_o as_o dare_v not_o abide_v trial_n this_o be_v the_o honour_n and_o happiness_n of_o our_o religion_n we_o be_v allow_v to_o examine_v all_o that_o our_o minister_n say_v and_o we_o have_v a_o rule_n which_o we_o may_v peruse_v to_o try_v they_o by_o viz._n the_o holy_a scripture_n which_o you_o dare_v not_o suffer_v your_o people_n to_o read_v and_o this_o i_o take_v to_o be_v a_o secret_a confession_n of_o your_o guilt_n and_o i_o be_o tell_v your_o alphonsus_n de_fw-mi castro_n say_v that_o from_o the_o read_n of_o the_o scripture_n all_o heresy_n come_v 6._o pop._n i_o think_v your_o experience_n have_v justify_v that_o expression_n you_o see_v what_o you_o get_v by_o the_o read_n of_o the_o scripture_n even_o this_o that_o you_o be_v crumble_v into_o a_o thousand_o sect_n prot._n our_o saviour_n be_v not_o of_o your_o mind_n for_o he_o think_v not_o acquaintance_n with_o but_o ignorance_n of_o the_o scripture_n be_v the_o cause_n of_o error_n you_o err_v not_o know_v the_o scripture_n mat._n 22._o 29._o nor_o do_v he_o only_o allow_v but_o command_v the_o jew_n to_o search_v the_o scripture_n without_o any_o fear_n of_o this_o inconvenience_n john_n 5._o 39_o have_v s._n paul_n be_v of_o your_o mind_n he_o will_v not_o have_v commend_v but_o reprove_v the_o beraans_n for_n search_v the_o scripture_n and_o examine_v his_o doctrine_n by_o they_o act._n 17._o 11._o if_o any_o of_o your_o people_n shall_v do_v as_o the_o beraean_o do_v they_o will_v be_v send_v to_o the_o inquisition_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o too_o many_o make_v a_o bad_a use_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o wrest_v it_o to_o wicked_a purpose_n which_o be_v to_o i_o no_o better_o a_o argument_n than_o this_o wine_n make_v many_o man_n drink_v therefore_o no_o wine_n must_v be_v sold._n the_o doctrine_n of_o free_a grace_n be_v abuse_v by_o thousand_o as_o we_o read_v therefore_o s._n paul_n do_v ill_a in_o preach_v of_o it_o the_o light_n of_o the_o sun_n hurt_v sore_a eye_n therefore_o solomon_n be_v mistake_v when_o he_o say_v it_o be_v a_o pleasant_a thing_n to_o behold_v the_o sun_n but_o since_o you_o speak_v of_o this_o i_o pray_v you_o let_v i_o ask_v you_o one_o question_n be_v not_o most_o of_o the_o heresy_n that_o ever_o be_v in_o the_o church_n bring_v in_o by_o learned_a man_n pop._n i_o can_v deny_v that_o for_o it_o be_v notorious_o know_v prot._n then_o you_o shut_v up_o the_o wrong_a door_n for_o it_o seem_v it_o be_v not_o the_o unlearned_a man_n read_v but_o the_o learned_a man_n pervert_v the_o scripture_n which_o be_v the_o true_a cause_n and_o fountain_n of_o heresy_n and_o beside_o you_o must_v not_o do_v evil_a that_o good_a may_v come_v out_o of_o it_o nor_o defraud_v people_n of_o their_o great_a treasure_n nor_o keep_v they_o from_o their_o duty_n for_o fear_v of_o some_o inconvenience_n this_o be_v to_o make_v yourselves_o wise_a than_o god_n pop._n but_o indeed_o you_o slander_v we_o in_o this_o point_n we_o do_v not_o absolute_o forbid_v read_v of_o the_o scripture_n the_o council_n of_o trent_n allow_v it_o provide_v you_o can_v get_v the_o bishop_n leave_n prot_n it_o be_v true_a that_o council_n pretend_v to_o give_v some_o such_o liberty_n but_o they_o take_v away_o with_o one_o hand_n what_o they_o give_v with_o the_o other_o for_o in_o their_o index_n of_o forbid_a book_n they_o have_v this_o passage_n since_o experience_n show_v that_o the_o promiscuous_a read_n of_o the_o bible_n bring_v more_o evil_a than_o good_a therefore_o if_o any_o man_n shall_v dare_v to_o read_v or_o have_v a_o bible_n without_o licence_n from_o the_o bishop_n or_o inquisitor_n he_o shall_v not_o be_v capable_a of_o absolution_n 4._o unless_o he_o part_v with_o his_o bible_n but_o in_o truth_n this_o pretend_a licence_n be_v but_o a_o handsome_a blind_a for_o in_o that_o very_a place_n there_o be_v this_o observation_n add_v to_o that_o rule_n that_o the_o power_n of_o give_v such_o licenses_fw-la of_o read_v or_o keep_v the_o vulgar_a bibles_n be_v take_v away_o from_o such_o bishop_n and_o inquisitor_n by_o
such_o special_a opportunity_n of_o know_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n both_o jewish_a and_o christian_a beside_o i_o be_o inform_v that_o the_o famous_a bishop_n of_o sardis_n melito_n a_o man_n of_o great_a judgement_n and_o venerable_a holiness_n as_o your_o sixtus_n senensis_n say_v do_v take_v a_o journey_n to_o the_o eastern_a church_n where_o the_o apostle_n principal_o preach_v to_o find_v out_o the_o true_a canon_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o return_v with_o the_o same_o canon_n that_o we_o own_v but_o for_o the_o apochrypha_n bring_v home_o a_o non_fw-fr est_fw-la inventus_fw-la and_o moreover_o that_o divers_a of_o your_o great_a champion_n do_v confess_v that_o a_o great_a number_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n be_v of_o our_o opinion_n among_o which_o themselves_o reckon_v melito_n origen_n athanasius_n eusebius_n ruffinus_n hierom_n and_o amphilocius_fw-la so_o say_v canus_n and_o bellarmine_n and_o andradius_fw-la and_o in_o the_o general_n sixtus_n senensis_n confess_v that_o the_o ancient_a father_n be_v of_o our_o opinion_n be_v these_o thing_n so_o pop._n i_o will_v not_o deny_v the_o truth_n it_o be_v so_o but_o you_o must_v know_v that_o other_o father_n be_v of_o another_o mind_n as_o clemens_n cyprian_n and_o ambrose_n and_o especial_o st._n austin_n and_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n prot._n the_o father_n of_o our_o opinion_n be_v both_o far_o more_o numerous_a and_o such_o as_o live_v near_a the_o apostolical_a time_n and_o church_n the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n be_v more_o ancient_a than_o that_o of_o carthage_n and_o therefore_o of_o great_a authority_n and_o beside_o the_o six_o council_n of_o constantinople_n do_v express_o confirm_v all_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o laodicea_n among_o which_o this_o be_v one_o and_o the_o council_n of_o carthage_n too_o do_v not_o your_o work_n for_o in_o their_o catalogue_n there_o be_v both_o more_o than_o you_o own_o to_o wit_n the_o three_o book_n of_o esdras_n although_o they_o call_v it_o the_o second_o as_o the_o greek_n do_v and_o less_o too_o for_o they_o shut_v out_o baruch_n and_o the_o maccabee_n but_o beside_o all_o this_o i_o be_o tell_v that_o very_o many_o of_o your_o most_o eminent_a doctor_n have_v disow_v these_o book_n which_o we_o reject_v as_o the_o parisian_a divine_n and_o cardinal_n ximenius_n with_o the_o complutensian_a university_n and_o aquinas_n and_o lyra_n and_o pagnim_fw-la and_o many_o other_o be_v it_o so_o pop._n i_o confess_v this_o be_v true_a 43._o prot._n then_o i_o be_o sure_a this_o may_v satisfy_v any_o rational_a man_n concern_v the_o testimony_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n and_o for_o the_o next_o point_n viz._n their_o agreement_n with_o the_o canonical_a book_n i_o think_v it_o be_v plain_a enough_o that_o they_o do_v gross_o contradict_v they_o and_o the_o truth_n too_o that_o fact_n of_o simeon_n and_o levi_n which_o good_a jacob_n act_v by_o god_n spirit_n detest_v judith_n commend_v chap._n 9_o tobit_n be_v say_v to_o have_v live_v 202._o year_n chap._n 14._o whereas_o if_o he_o say_v true_a he_o must_v have_v live_v twice_o as_o long_o for_o he_o say_v he_o be_v take_v captive_a by_o salmanasser_n chap._n 1._o and_o 2._o and_o 14._o and_o when_o he_o be_v about_o to_o die_v he_o say_v the_o time_n be_v near_o for_o the_o return_n of_o the_o israelite_n from_o their_o captivity_n and_o the_o re-building_n of_o the_o temple_n which_o be_v burn_v if_o the_o book_n of_o the_o maccabee_n say_v true_a antiochus_n his_o soul_n have_v a_o lease_n of_o his_o body_n for_o three_o life_n and_o he_o be_v kill_v thrice_o over_o i_o commend_v the_o author_n he_o be_v resolve_v to_o make_v sure_a work_n of_o he_o 1._o he_o die_v at_o babylon_n in_o his_o bed_n 1_o mac._n 2._o 6._o then_o he_o be_v stone_v in_o the_o temple_n of_o nanea_n 2_o mac._n 1._o last_o he_o die_v in_o the_o mountain_n by_o a_o fall_n out_o of_o his_o chariot_n 2_o maccab._n 9_o and_o the_o fine_a fetch_n of_o your_o author_n to_o reconcile_v these_o gross_a contradiction_n put_v i_o in_o mind_n of_o a_o story_n we_o hear_v at_o school_n if_o you_o remember_v of_o a_o gentleman_n that_o tell_v this_o lie_n apocryphis_fw-la that_o he_o shoot_v a_o deer_n at_o one_o shot_n through_o his_o right_a ear_n and_o leave_v hinder_v leg_n and_o you_o know_v how_o hard_o his_o man_n be_v put_v to_o it_o to_o help_v his_o master_n out_o but_o i_o will_v not_o launch_v forth_o into_o the_o sea_n of_o untruth_n and_o absurdity_n that_o be_v contain_v in_o those_o book_n these_o may_v suffice_v to_o show_v you_o that_o we_o do_v not_o without_o warrant_n reject_v they_o but_o howsoever_o it_o be_v sufficient_a for_o my_o purpose_n that_o you_o grant_v that_o my_o bible_n as_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o these_o book_n in_o it_o canonical_a and_o i_o can_v know_v this_o without_o the_o church_n authority_n pop._n do_v not_o make_v too_o much_o haste_n if_o i_o do_v grant_v that_o these_o book_n in_o the_o original_a language_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n yet_o you_o be_v but_o a_o translation_n prot._n be_v it_o right_o translate_v for_o the_o substance_n or_o be_v it_o not_o what_o bible_n be_v that_o which_o you_o have_v pop._n a_o latin_a bible_n prot._n be_v that_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o right_o translate_v pop._n yes_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v decree_v so_o prot._n then_o i_o pray_v you_o let_v we_o try_v this_o experiment_n do_v you_o pick_v out_o any_o 20._o verse_n in_o several_a part_n of_o the_o bible_n and_o turn_v they_o into_o english_a out_o of_o your_o bible_n pop._n the_o motion_n be_v fair_a i_o will_v do_v it_o prot._n i_o do_v not_o find_v any_o substantial_a difference_n in_o all_o these_o place_n between_o your_o translation_n and_o i_o the_o difference_n be_v whole_o in_o word_n not_o at_o all_o in_o sense_n so_o now_o i_o thank_v you_o for_o this_o occasion_n for_o i_o have_v hear_v some_o of_o your_o priest_n rant_a high_o against_o our_o translation_n and_o now_o i_o see_v they_o have_v no_o cause_n for_o it_o pop._n if_o all_o this_o be_v over_o yet_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a rule_n to_o guide_v you_o to_o heaven_n of_o itself_o without_o tradition_n prot._n why_o so_o i_o beseech_v you_o pop._n because_o you_o be_v also_o command_v there_o to_o hold_v the_o tradition_n true_a in_o your_o bible_n to_o 2_o thes._n 2._o 15._o hold_v the_o tradition_n which_o you_o have_v be_v teach_v whether_o by_o word_n or_o epistle_n prot._n how_o do_v you_o prove_v that_o he_o speak_v of_o such_o tradition_n as_o be_v not_o write_v in_o the_o scripture_n pop._n because_o he_o so_o plain_o distinguish_v between_o what_o he_o teach_v they_o by_o word_n and_o what_o he_o teach_v they_o by_o epistle_n or_o write_n prot._n that_o may_v be_v true_a that_o he_o speak_v of_o some_o thing_n of_o which_o he_o have_v not_o write_v to_o they_o and_o yet_o they_o may_v be_v write_v by_o he_o to_o other_o or_o by_o other_o at_o least_o after_o that_o time_n but_o beside_o notwithstanding_o this_o distinction_n between_o word_n and_o epistle_n divers_a of_o your_o own_o author_n affirm_v that_o tradition_n be_v perfect_a and_o that_o st._n paul_n teach_v all_o thing_n necessary_a by_o word_n of_o mouth_n and_o why_o may_v not_o i_o as_o well_o say_v that_o he_o teach_v all_o by_o epistle_n but_o i_o pray_v you_o what_o do_v you_o mean_v by_o these_o tradition_n pop._n i_o mean_v all_o the_o tradition_n which_o either_o he_o or_o any_o other_o apostle_n do_v deliver_v all_o these_o you_o be_v bind_v to_o receive_v prot._n i_o will_v not_o quarrel_v with_o you_o for_o that_o bring_v i_o solid_a proof_n of_o any_o of_o your_o unwritten_a tradition_n that_o they_o do_v indeed_o come_v from_o the_o apostle_n i_o promise_v you_o i_o will_v joyful_o receive_v they_o but_o i_o pray_v you_o what_o be_v these_o tradition_n you_o speak_v of_o pop._n such_o as_o these_o the_o doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n invocation_n of_o saint_n of_o the_o pope_n supremacy_n of_o the_o single_a life_n of_o priest_n of_o the_o fast_n of_o the_o church_n private_a mass_n worship_n of_o image_n etc._n etc._n prot._n and_o do_v you_o think_v that_o all_o that_o do_v not_o believe_v and_o receive_v these_o tradition_n shall_v be_v damn_v pop._n no_o by_o no_o mean_n for_o than_o i_o shall_v condemn_v many_o of_o the_o holy_a father_n and_o martyr_n who_o differ_v from_o we_o at_o least_o in_o some_o of_o these_o point_n prot._n then_o it_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n to_o receive_v these_o tradition_n and_o the_o scripture_n may_v be_v sufficient_a without_o they_o but_o further_a these_o unwritten_a tradition_n you_o talk_v of_o i_o beseech_v you_o how_o come_v you_o to_o discover_v they_o and_o
discern_v the_o true_a from_o the_o false_a pop._n i_o altogether_o approve_v of_o bellarmin_n be_v rule_n which_o be_v this_o that_o say_v he_o be_v a_o true_a tradition_n which_o all_o former_a doctor_n have_v successive_o in_o their_o several_a age_n acknowledge_v to_o come_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o by_o their_o doctrine_n or_o practice_n have_v approve_v and_o which_o the_o universal_a church_n ow_v as_o such_o and_o the_o reason_n be_v because_o the_o universal_a church_n can_v err_v 9_o prot._n i_o see_v all_o depend_v upon_o this_o foundation_n that_o the_o catholic_n church_n in_o your_o sense_n can_v err_v which_o have_v disprove_v i_o need_v not_o trouble_v myself_o further_o but_o to_o wave_v that_o how_o i_o pray_v you_o do_v you_o know_v what_o former_a doctor_n have_v successive_o own_v by_o word_n or_o practice_n i_o presume_v none_o of_o your_o pope_n have_v so_o good_a a_o memory_n as_o to_o remember_v all_o that_o have_v be_v say_v or_o do_v in_o former_a age_n though_o in_o my_o opinion_n when_o your_o invention_n be_v upon_o the_o wheel_n and_o you_o do_v confer_v upon_o the_o pope_n a_o infallible_a judgement_n you_o shall_v have_v give_v he_o also_o a_o all-sufficient_a memory_n and_o then_o you_o have_v do_v your_o work_n pop._n no_o sir_n we_o pretend_v no_o such_o thing_n but_o we_o know_v this_o from_o the_o write_n which_o the_o doctor_n have_v leave_v it_o be_v true_a bellarmine_n mention_n another_o rule_n which_o be_v the_o continual_a usage_n of_o the_o church_n in_o all_o age_n but_o to_o deal_v candid_o with_o you_o i_o can_v know_v what_o their_o use_n be_v but_o by_o their_o write_n so_o all_o must_v come_v to_o that_o prot._n first_o than_o i_o note_v you_o forsake_v your_o cause_n and_o it_o seem_v a_o writing_n be_v now_o make_v a_o rule_n for_o your_o unwritten_a tradition_n if_o it_o may_v be_v so_o let_v i_o beg_v your_o favourable_a opinion_n of_o the_o apostle_n write_n beside_o those_o writer_n which_o record_v these_o tradition_n be_v they_o infallible_a pop._n no_o we_o do_v not_o hold_v any_o particular_a writer_n infallible_a especial_o not_o in_o matter_n of_o fact_n such_o as_o report_v a_o tradition_n or_o use_n of_o the_o church_n undoubted_o be_v prot._n then_o they_o may_v mistake_v false_a tradition_n for_o true_a beside_o how_o can_v i_o tell_v what_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n do_v agree_v in_o since_o most_o of_o they_o never_o write_v and_o many_o of_o their_o write_n be_v lose_v and_o yet_o all_o of_o they_o have_v equal_a liberty_n of_o vote_v in_o this_o case_n beside_o i_o have_v hear_v that_o divers_a of_o the_o ancient_a father_n do_v report_v several_a thing_n to_o be_v apostolical_a tradition_n which_o your_o church_n now_o reject_v as_o that_o infant_n shall_v receive_v the_o communion_n and_o that_o christ_n shall_v reign_v on_o earth_n a_o thousand_o year_n and_o many_o other_o i_o be_o tell_v also_o that_o your_o great_a baronius_n write_v concern_v the_o apostle_n profess_v he_o despair_v to_o find_v out_o the_o truth_n even_o in_o those_o matter_n which_o true_a writer_n have_v record_v because_o there_o be_v nothing_o which_o remain_v sincere_a and_o incorrupted_a be_v it_o so_o pop._n you_o shall_v find_v i_o ingenuous_a it_o be_v so_o baronius_n say_v it_o anno_fw-la 44._o sect_n 42._o prot._n then_o true_o i_o shall_v bid_v tradition_n in_o your_o sense_n good_a night_n for_o as_o to_o your_o tradition_n i_o see_v there_o be_v no_o certainty_n in_o they_o shall_v i_o forsake_v the_o certain_a and_o acknowledge_v verity_n of_o the_o scripture_n for_o such_o trash_n god_n forbid_v again_o i_o pray_v you_o tell_v i_o do_v not_o every_o wise_a man_n that_o make_v any_o thing_n make_v it_o sufficient_a for_o its_o end_n if_o you_o build_v a_o house_n to_o live_v in_o will_v not_o you_o make_v it_o sufficient_a for_o that_o end_n if_o a_o man_n make_v a_o sword_n to_o cut_v with_o a_o coat_n of_o male_a to_o defend_v he_o etc._n etc._n be_v he_o not_o a_o fool_n if_o he_o do_v not_o if_o he_o can_v make_v they_o sufficient_a for_o their_o end_n and_o use_v pop._n that_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v prot._n and_o be_v not_o our_o instruction_n and_o salvation_n the_o end_n for_o which_o god_n write_v the_o scripture_n pop._n how_o do_v you_o prove_v that_o it_o be_v prot._n god_n himself_o tell_v i_o so_o john_n 20._o 31._o these_o thing_n be_v write_v that_o you_o may_v believe_v that_o jesus_n be_v the_o christ_n the_o son_n of_o god_n and_o that_o believe_v you_o may_v have_v life_n through_o his_o name_n pop._n s._n john_n speak_v there_o of_o miracle_n not_o of_o doctrine_n and_o so_o that_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n prot._n he_o speak_v of_o miracle_n which_o be_v do_v in_o confirmation_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n and_o so_o the_o doctrine_n be_v not_o to_o be_v exclude_v beside_o i_o suppose_v you_o will_v not_o say_v that_o s._n john_n write_v the_o doctrine_n of_o christ_n for_o one_o end_n and_o the_o miracle_n for_o another_o moreover_o it_o plain_o appear_v both_o that_o this_o be_v the_o end_n for_o which_o the_o scripture_n be_v write_v and_o that_o it_o be_v sufficient_a for_o its_o end_n from_o that_o 2_o tim._n 3._o 15_o 16_o 17._o he_o say_v express_o the_o scripture_n be_v able_a to_o make_v a_o man_n of_o god_n wise_a unto_o salvation_n 92._o pop._n well_o but_o if_o all_o these_o thing_n be_v so_o yet_o since_o the_o scripture_n be_v dark_a and_o doubtful_a and_o you_o can_v never_o apprehend_v the_o true_a meaning_n of_o it_o but_o from_o the_o church_n you_o be_v never_o the_o near_o and_o the_o scripture_n be_v not_o a_o convenient_a judge_n of_o controversy_n prot._n tell_v i_o i_o pray_v do_v your_o church_n understand_v the_o true_a meaning_n of_o the_o scripture_n pop._n yes_o doubtless_o because_o she_o have_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n prot._n then_o certain_o she_o be_v most_o deep_o guilty_a of_o uncharitableness_n or_o envy_n or_o cruelty_n to_o soul_n that_o she_o do_v not_o put_v forth_o a_o clear_a and_o infallible_a comment_n upon_o the_o whole_a scripture_n but_o still_o suffer_v the_o whole_a world_n to_o live_v in_o contention_n about_o the_o true_a meaning_n of_o hundred_o of_o text_n of_o scripture_n pop._n she_o forbear_v that_o for_o reason_n best_o know_v to_o herself_o but_o this_o be_v not_o much_o to_o the_o purpose_n prot._n whereas_o you_o pretend_v your_o church_n certain_o know_v the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o this_o church_n you_o say_v be_v the_o pope_n or_o a_o council_n and_o if_o these_o be_v infallible_a you_o say_v they_o be_v so_o in_o their_o decree_n if_o this_o be_v so_o how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o none_o do_v more_o gross_o mistake_v and_o misapply_v scripture_n than_o divers_a of_o your_o pope_n and_o council_n have_v do_v even_o in_o their_o decree_n and_o decretal_a epistle_n which_o you_o reverence_v as_o the_o gospel_n your_o pope_n nicholas_n the_o first_o prove_v his_o supremacy_n from_o that_o text_n arise_v peter_n kill_v and_o eat_v small_a encouragement_n to_o we_o to_o become_v his_o sheep_n if_o he_o so_o use_v they_o and_o from_o hence_o that_o peter_n draw_v to_o the_o shore_n his_o net_n full_a of_o fish_n your_o pope_n boniface_n the_o eight_o prove_v it_o from_o gen._n 1._o 1._o in_o the_o beginning_n god_n create_v heaven_n and_o earth_n therefore_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n in_o temporal_n and_o spiritual_n and_o this_o say_v he_o you_o must_v hold_v unless_o with_o the_o manichee_n you_o hold_v two_o principle_n and_o your_o council_n be_v not_o more_o happy_a expositor_n the_o council_n of_o lateran_n prove_v the_o pope_n power_n from_o psa._n 72._o which_o speak_v of_o solomon_n and_o christ_n all_o king_n shall_v fall_v down_o before_o he_o the_o second_o council_n of_o nice_a allege_v these_o scripture_n for_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n that_o god_n create_v man_n in_o his_o own_o image_n gen._n 1._o let_v i_o see_v thy_o countenance_n cant._n 2._o no_o man_n when_o he_o have_v light_v a_o candle_n cover_v it_o under_o a_o vessel_n luk._n 8._o 16._o in_o my_o opinion_n they_o speak_v like_o a_o council_n expect_v that_o the_o world_n shall_v receive_v their_o decree_n not_o for_o any_o solidity_n of_o argument_n that_o have_v be_v pedantic_a but_o mere_o for_o the_o church_n majesty_n and_o authority_n nay_o the_o jest_n be_v when_o their_o adversary_n have_v take_v notice_n of_o these_o absurd_a impertinency_n up_z steps_z pater_fw-la noster_fw-la pope_n adrian_n and_o he_o say_v he_o will_v maintain_v it_o in_o spite_n of_o fate_n that_o they_o allege_v they_o right_o and_o excellent_o so_o here_o we_o have_v a_o pope_n and_o council_n join_v together_o and_o therefore_o undoubted_o infallible_a in_o these_o exposition_n nay_o
no_o less_o than_o murder_n all_o your_o people_n by_o rob_v they_o of_o that_o which_o be_v necessary_a to_o their_o life_n pop._n not_o so_o for_o as_o i_o shall_v show_v you_o you_o have_v the_o blood_n in_o the_o body_n or_o bread_n prot._n if_o it_o be_v so_o yet_o my_o take_n it_o in_o that_o manner_n can_v be_v call_v a_o drink_v it_o unless_o you_o will_v say_v that_o every_o man_n that_o eat_v rawish_a meat_n may_v be_v say_v to_o drink_v the_o blood_n which_o he_o eat_v in_o it_o but_o further_o i_o think_v we_o have_v as_o great_a right_n to_o the_o cup_n as_o your_o priest_n we_o have_v christ_n do_v this_o and_o you_o pretend_v no_o more_o in_o short_a we_o have_v both_o the_o legacy_n and_o command_n of_o christ_n fortify_v with_o this_o strong_a reason_n this_o cup_n be_v the_o new_a testament_n in_o my_o blood_n which_o be_v shed_v for_o many_o for_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n whereby_o it_o sufficient_o appear_v that_o the_o sign_n belong_v to_o all_o that_o have_v interest_n in_o the_o thing_n and_o be_v capable_a of_o discern_v the_o lord_n body_n and_o this_o command_n of_o christ_n be_v express_v and_o positive_a mat._n 26._o drink_v you_o all_o of_o it_o it_o be_v remarkable_a that_o he_o do_v not_o say_v eat_v you_o all_o though_o they_o be_v to_o do_v so_o but_o drink_v you_o all_o of_o it_o as_o foresee_v the_o sacrilege_n of_o your_o church_n what_o can_v you_o say_v to_o this_o pop._n first_o i_o say_v here_o be_v no_o command_n but_o a_o institution_n only_o prot._n i_o understand_v no_o subtlety_n but_o if_o you_o say_v this_o be_v no_o command_n of_o drink_v than_o it_o be_v no_o command_n of_o eat_v to_o say_v take_v eat_z and_o so_o the_o sacrament_n be_v not_o command_v but_o people_n may_v receive_v or_o refuse_v it_o as_o they_o please_v and_o christ_n do_v this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o do_v as_o you_o list_v for_o my_o part_n i_o shall_v never_o know_v when_o christ_n command_v any_o thing_n if_o this_o be_v not_o a_o command_n for_o no_o command_n can_v run_v in_o more_o express_a word_n pop._n if_o this_o be_v a_o command_n it_o concern_v only_a priest_n for_o such_o the_o apostle_n be_v and_o they_o only_o be_v present_a prot._n since_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o eat_v and_o drink_v belong_v to_o the_o same_o person_n if_o the_o one_o be_v restrain_v to_o the_o apostle_n so_o be_v the_o other_o and_o because_o you_o confess_v the_o eat_n belong_v to_o the_o people_n by_o virtue_n of_o this_o precept_n eat_v of_o it_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n also_o do_v the_o drink_a reach_n to_o they_o also_o by_o virtue_n of_o that_o precept_n drink_v of_o it_o beside_o the_o apostle_n though_o they_o be_v minister_n yet_o in_o this_o act_n they_o be_v in_o the_o people_n stead_n and_o christ_n be_v the_o minister_n or_o dispenser_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o they_o only_o the_o receiver_n of_o it_o at_o this_o time_n beside_o as_o they_o be_v minister_n he_o bid_v they_o do_v this_o that_o be_v take_v and_o distribute_v bread_n and_o wine_n to_o the_o people_n as_o he_o have_v to_o they_o if_o minister_n be_v under_o any_o command_n of_o administer_a and_o give_v the_o sacrament_n certain_o it_o be_v here_o for_o no_o command_n can_v be_v more_o express_a and_o if_o they_o be_v command_v to_o give_v the_o bread_n to_o the_o people_n they_o be_v command_v to_o give_v the_o wine_n also_o for_o here_o be_v no_o difference_n at_o all_o add_v to_o this_o that_o st._n paul_n have_v put_v this_o out_o of_o doubt_n and_o he_o expound_v this_o of_o and_o apply_v it_o to_o the_o people_n for_o thus_o he_o write_v to_o all_o the_o corinthian_n let_v a_o man_n examine_v himself_o and_o so_o let_v he_o eat_v of_o that_o bread_n and_o drink_n of_o that_o cup_n 1_o cor._n 11._o 28._o in_o four_o verse_n together_o viz._n 26_o 27_o 28_o 29._o eat_a and_o drink_v be_v inseparable_o join_v together_o which_o you_o have_v so_o wicked_o divide_v if_o it_o be_v a_o command_n let_v a_o man_n examine_v himself_o which_o none_o will_v deny_v than_o it_o be_v a_o command_n which_o immediate_o follow_v so_o let_v he_o eat_v this_o bread_n and_o drink_v this_o cup._n pop._n it_o do_v not_o appear_v that_o there_o be_v a_o absolute_a command_n of_o drink_v but_o only_o that_o as_o oft_o as_o they_o do_v drink_v it_o they_o shall_v drink_v it_o in_o remembrance_n of_o christ._n prot._n if_o this_o be_v so_o then_o here_o be_v no_o command_n for_o the_o priest_n either_o to_o consecrate_v the_o cup_n or_o to_o receive_v it_o and_o further_o then_o here_o be_v no_o command_n for_o his_o consecrate_v or_o receive_v the_o bread_n neither_o for_o there_o be_v no_o more_o than_o a_o do_v this_o and_o that_o be_v for_o the_o wine_n as_o well_o as_o for_o the_o bread_n pop._n here_o be_v a_o difference_n for_o he_o say_v of_o the_o body_n simple_o do_v this_o in_o remembrance_n of_o i_o but_o of_o the_o cup_n this_o do_v you_o as_o oft_o as_o you_o drink_v it_o prot._n if_o you_o lay_v any_o stress_n upon_o these_o word_n as_o oft_o as_o you_o do_v it_o i_o beseech_v you_o make_v use_n of_o your_o eye_n and_o you_o shall_v read_v that_o it_o be_v say_v of_o the_o bread_n as_o well_o as_o of_o the_o cup_n vers._n 26._o for_o as_o oft_o as_o you_o eat_v this_o bread_n and_o drink_v this_o cup._n well_o i_o be_o sorry_a to_o see_v that_o you_o dare_v oppose_v such_o plain_a scripture_n upon_o such_o pitiful_a pretence_n but_o i_o pray_v you_o let_v i_o ask_v you_o i_o have_v be_v tell_v that_o your_o famous_a council_n of_o censtance_n in_o their_o canon_n for_o the_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n in_o one_o kind_n have_v these_o expression_n although_o christ_n do_v minister_v this_o sacrament_n under_o the_o form_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n and_o although_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n this_o sacrament_n be_v receive_v by_o the_o faithful_a under_o both_o kind_n yet_o they_o make_v a_o canon_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v receive_v under_o one_o kind_n only_o be_v this_o so_o pop._n it_o be_v true_a they_o be_v the_o very_a word_n of_o the_o council_n prot._n this_o be_v a_o wise_a council_n indeed_o wise_a than_o christ_n and_o all_o his_o apostle_n but_o i_o shall_v think_v we_o be_v on_o the_o safe_a side_n have_v christ_n and_o all_o the_o primitive_a church_n for_o our_o pattern_n and_o by_o this_o i_o see_v what_o to_o judge_v of_o your_o glorious_a pretence_n that_o you_o be_v the_o ancient_n and_o apostolical_a faith_n and_o we_o forsooth_o but_o a_o new_a religion_n but_o i_o pray_v let_v i_o hear_v what_o you_o have_v to_o say_v for_o this_o fact_n of_o you_o in_o take_v away_o the_o cup_n i_o see_v scripture_n be_v against_o you_o and_o the_o ancient_a church_n at_o least_o so_o far_o that_o for_o 1400._o year_n together_o the_o people_n may_v drink_v of_o the_o cup_n if_o they_o will_v as_o i_o be_o tell_v your_o becanus_n confess_v specie_fw-la pop._n you_o be_v great_o mistake_v we_o have_v scripture_n for_o we_o we_o have_v example_n there_o of_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n in_o one_o kind_n act_v 2._o 42._o they_o continue_v in_o the_o apostle_n doctrine_n and_o break_v of_o bread_n and_o act_n 20._o 17._o they_o come_v together_o to_o break_v bread_n prot._n it_o be_v usual_a to_o express_v a_o whole_a feast_n by_o this_o one_o thing_n christ_n go_v into_o the_o pharisee_n house_n to_o eat_v bread_n luk._n 14._o 2._o i_o suppose_v you_o think_v it_o be_v not_o a_o dry_a feast_n ioseph_n brethren_n sit_v to_o eat_v gen._n 37._o 25._o so_o act._n 27._o 35._o paul_n and_o the_o rest_n take_v bread_n and_o eat_v it_o yet_o none_o doubt_v but_o they_o have_v drink_v with_o it_o beside_o here_o be_v as_o much_o say_v of_o the_o people_n as_o of_o the_o minister_n drink_v of_o the_o cup_n that_o be_v neither_o be_v here_o mention_v and_o if_o the_o silence_n concern_v the_o cup_n be_v a_o good_a argument_n it_o prove_v that_o neither_o do_v partake_v of_o it_o if_o it_o be_v not_o then_o both_o may_v partake_v of_o it_o but_o what_o have_v you_o more_o to_o say_v pop._n you_o need_v not_o be_v trouble_v so_o much_o at_o the_o loss_n of_o the_o cup_n since_o the_o blood_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o bread_n that_o be_v in_o the_o body_n by_o concomitancy_n prot._n this_o be_v in_o effect_n to_o tell_v christ_n the_o cup_n be_v a_o superfluous_a device_n beside_o we_o be_v command_v to_o drink_v the_o cup_n if_o i_o shall_v dip_v bread_n in_o drink_n and_o eat_v it_o no_o man_n will_v say_v i_o drink_v the_o bread_n again_o this_o destroy_v the_o main_a end_n of_o the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v to_o show_v forth_o christ_n
poor_a elijah_n and_o so_o michaiah_n be_v leave_v alone_o nor_o those_o in_o malachy_n day_n that_o the_o priest_n cause_v they_o to_o stumble_v at_o the_o law_n malac_n 2._o 8._o nor_o the_o crucifier_n of_o christ_n that_o they_o obey_v the_o decree_n of_o their_o priest_n and_o ruler_n i_o list_v not_o to_o repeat_v what_o i_o have_v say_v elsewhere_o therefore_o read_v nullity_n of_o romish_a faith_n ch_n 2._o sect_n 12._o and_o will_v you_o yet_o stumble_v at_o the_o same_o stone_n 2._o the_o people_n will_v not_o be_v excuse_v by_o their_o priest_n misguidance_n because_o they_o neglect_v their_o duty_n if_o indeed_o there_o be_v no_o duty_n incumbent_a upon_o the_o people_n but_o to_o believe_v what_o your_o priest_n say_v and_o do_v what_o they_o require_v than_o your_o church_n speak_v reason_n but_o that_o none_o but_o a_o mad_a man_n will_v say_v there_o be_v several_a duty_n require_v of_o the_o people_n no_o less_o than_o of_o the_o priest_n the_o law_n of_o god_n be_v not_o give_v only_o to_o the_o priest_n but_o to_o all_o the_o people_n god_n publish_v this_o law_n in_o the_o hear_n of_o all_o the_o people_n and_o speak_v in_o the_o singular_a number_n to_o every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n thou_o shall_v do_v or_o forbear_v this_o or_o that_o and_o the_o curse_n be_v threaten_v to_o the_o people_n deut._n 27._o 26._o curse_a be_v he_o that_o confirm_v not_o all_o the_o word_n of_o this_o law_n to_o do_v they_o and_o all_o the_o people_n shall_v say_v amen_o which_o the_o apostle_n repeat_v gal._n 3._o 10._o curse_a be_v every_o one_o not_o priest_n only_o but_o the_o people_n too_o that_o continue_v not_o in_o all_o thing_n which_o be_v write_v in_o this_o book_n of_o the_o law_n to_o do_v they_o if_o the_o priest_n than_o shall_v have_v teach_v the_o israelite_n as_o your_o priest_n now_o teach_v you_o thou_o shall_v worship_v a_o grave_a image_n when_o god_n say_v thou_o shall_v not_o worship_v a_o grave_a image_n can_v any_o serious_a man_n think_v this_o will_v have_v free_v they_o from_o that_o curse_n and_o that_o it_o be_v safe_a for_o they_o to_o obey_v the_o command_n of_o man_n than_o of_o god_n o_o the_o impudence_n of_o your_o priest_n that_o dare_v say_v so_o o_o the_o blockishness_n of_o those_o people_n that_o will_v believe_v they_o when_o they_o say_v so_o your_o pope_n may_v well_o contend_v with_o we_o for_o it_o seem_v your_o priest_n will_v contest_v with_o god_n for_o supremacy_n when_o the_o priest_n and_o prophet_n in_o isaiahs_n day_n be_v general_o corrupt_v the_o people_n be_v not_o advise_v to_o believe_v all_o that_o they_o teach_v and_o to_o obey_v all_o that_o they_o decree_v which_o be_v the_o strain_n of_o your_o church_n but_o be_v command_v immediate_o to_o go_v to_o the_o law_n and_o to_o the_o testimony_n and_o if_o any_o speak_v not_o according_a to_o they_o they_o be_v to_o be_v reject_v because_o there_o be_v no_o light_n in_o they_o isa._n 8._o 20._o even_o people_n be_v require_v not_o to_o believe_v every_o spirit_n but_o to_o try_v the_o spirit_n 1_o john_n 4._o 1._o nor_o do_v the_o apostle_n exempt_v themselves_o and_o their_o doctrine_n from_o this_o trial_n but_o allow_v commend_v and_o require_v it_o in_o the_o people_n the_o beraean_o be_v not_o reprove_v and_o censure_v as_o they_o will_v certain_o be_v that_o shall_v tread_v in_o their_o step_n at_o rome_n but_o commend_v for_o examine_v the_o doctrine_n of_o s._n paul_n by_o the_o scripture_n act_v 17._o 11._o and_o the_o same_o apostle_n allow_v the_o galatian_n not_o only_o to_o try_v his_o doctrine_n whether_o they_o be_v agreeable_a to_o what_o they_o have_v receive_v but_o in_o case_n they_o find_v they_o contrary_n he_o give_v they_o commission_n to_o censure_v and_o anathemize_v he_o gal._n 1._o 8_o 9_o and_o he_o bespeak_v the_o corinthian_n in_o this_o language_n i_o speak_v to_o wise_a man_n judge_v you_o what_o i_o say_v 1_o cor._n 10._o 15._o and_o he_o command_v the_o thessalonian_n to_o prove_v all_o thing_n without_o exception_n as_o well_o as_o to_o hold_v fast_o that_o which_o be_v good_a 1_o thess._n 5._o 21._o consider_v these_o thing_n i_o beseech_v you_o and_o do_v not_o wilful_o cast_v away_o your_o precious_a soul_n upon_o trifle_n god_n have_v give_v the_o scripture_n as_o a_o rule_n to_o try_v thing_n by_o and_o this_o be_v write_v for_o the_o ignorant_a and_o the_o people_n as_o well_o as_o the_o learned_a and_o the_o priest_n john_n 20._o 31._o he_o have_v give_v people_n reason_n to_o try_v thing_n with_o if_o you_o will_v hide_v these_o talent_n in_o a_o napkin_n at_o your_o peril_n be_v it_o the_o prince_n be_v command_v to_o read_v and_o meditate_v in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o law_n that_o he_o may_v observe_v to_o do_v all_o that_o be_v write_v therein_o josh._n 1._o 8._o can_v you_o serious_o think_v that_o if_o the_o corrupt_a priest_n have_v agree_v to_o teach_v he_o to_o do_v contrary_a to_o all_o that_o be_v write_v therein_o that_o this_o will_v have_v excuse_v he_o before_o god_n then_o that_o precept_n be_v both_o superfluous_a and_o dangerous_a and_o if_o you_o do_v not_o think_v so_o as_o you_o must_v needs_o if_o you_o have_v any_o conscience_n than_o neither_o will_v it_o excuse_v your_o people_n for_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o your_o church_n prince_n and_o people_n be_v alike_o in_o this_o both_o tie_v to_o believe_v as_o your_o church_n believe_v god_n command_v every_o christian_n to_o prove_v his_o own_o work_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o every_o man_n shall_v bear_v his_o own_o burden_n gal._n 6._o 4_o 5._o and_o that_o every_o man_n shall_v give_v a_o account_n of_o himself_o to_o god_n rom._n 14._o 12._o do_v not_o think_v your_o priest_n account_n shall_v serve_v turn_n and_o all_o the_o christian_a people_n of_o corinth_n be_v command_v to_o examine_v themselves_o whether_o they_o be_v in_o the_o faith_n 2_o cor._n 13._o 5._o and_o dare_v you_o still_o live_v in_o the_o wilful_a breach_n of_o all_o these_o command_n and_o blind_o give_v up_o your_o soul_n and_o conscience_n by_o a_o implicit_a faith_n to_o the_o conduct_n of_o your_o priest_n to_o lead_v they_o whether_o they_o please_v 3._o the_o scripture_n have_v give_v you_o full_a warning_n of_o your_o danger_n read_v but_o two_o place_n ezek_n 33._o 8._o where_o god_n assure_v we_o that_o the_o wicked_a shall_v die_v in_o his_o iniquity_n though_o he_o perish_v through_o the_o watchman_n fault_n and_o matth._n 15._o 14._o where_o christ_n confute_v this_o very_a opinion_n of_o you_o which_o be_v also_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o jew_n that_o they_o be_v safe_a enough_o while_o they_o follow_v their_o priest_n decree_n and_o counsel_n and_o tell_v they_o if_o the_o blind_a lead_v the_o blind_a both_o shall_v fall_v into_o the_o ditch_n and_o doubt_v of_o this_o if_o you_o can_v or_o dare_v in_o a_o word_n if_o this_o senseless_a doctrine_n be_v true_a not_o only_o man_n will_v have_v dominion_n over_o our_o faith_n contrary_a to_o express_v scripture_n be_v not_o you_o call_v master_n for_o one_o be_v your_o master_n even_o christ_n matth._n 23._o 10._o not_o that_o we_o have_v dominion_n over_o your_o faith_n say_v the_o great_a apostle_n but_o also_o christ_n shall_v lose_v his_o dominion_n and_o have_v no_o authority_n in_o his_o church_n but_o as_o your_o priest_n please_v and_o it_o seem_v he_o shall_v not_o have_v this_o favour_n from_o you_o to_o continue_v in_o his_o office_n quamdiu_fw-la bene_fw-la se_fw-la gesserit_fw-la but_o quamdiu_fw-la vobis_fw-la placuerit_fw-la and_o christ_n power_n be_v apparent_o limit_v to_o your_o interpretation_n but_o the_o power_n of_o your_o church_n be_v absolute_a and_o unlimited_a and_o the_o people_n oblige_v to_o believe_v they_o quamcunque_fw-la sententiam_fw-la tulerint_fw-la whatsoever_o they_o shall_v decree_v as_o gretser_n express_v it_o if_o this_o be_v not_o to_o make_v the_o word_n and_o authority_n of_o god_n and_o christ_n void_a through_o your_o tradition_n i_o know_v not_o what_o be_v i_o will_v trouble_v you_o no_o further_o if_o you_o be_v capable_a of_o counsel_n take_v warning_n and_o suffer_v not_o yourselves_o to_o be_v lead_v hoodwink_v to_o hell_n to_o serve_v a_o carnal_a interest_n of_o some_o among_o you_o but_o quit_v yourselves_o like_o man_n and_o by_o the_o grossness_n of_o this_o delusion_n learn_v to_o suspect_v the_o rest_n and_o with_o humble_a and_o honest_a heart_n read_v what_o be_v here_o propose_v to_o you_o for_o your_o soul_n good_a and_o god_n give_v you_o light_n let_v my_o soul_n prosper_v no_o otherwise_o than_o i_o hearty_o wish_v the_o good_a and_o salvation_n of_o you_o all_o but_o if_o you_o will_v still_o persist_v in_o your_o blindness_n and_o add_v further_a obstinacy_n to_o your_o
the_o council_n of_o trent_n itself_o when_o one_o will_v expect_v they_o shall_v have_v grow_v wise_a though_o not_o better_a prove_v the_o unequal_a power_n of_o pope_n bishop_n and_o priest_n from_o rom._n 13._o 1._o the_o power_n that_o be_v be_v ordain_v of_o god_n that_o be_v digest_v into_o order_n i_o hope_v ere_o you_o have_v do_v you_o will_v put_v forth_o a_o entire_a comment_n upon_o the_o whole_a bible_n which_o i_o assure_v you_o will_v be_v the_o rare_a book_n that_o ever_o see_v the_o light_n but_o further_a i_o desire_v to_o know_v of_o you_o how_o your_o church_n come_v to_o have_v this_o true_a and_o certain_a sense_n of_o scripture_n have_v she_o it_o by_o revelation_n or_o inspiration_n pop._n no_o we_o pretend_v to_o no_o such_o thing_n but_o she_o come_v to_o know_v it_o by_o the_o diligent_a use_n of_o mean_n by_o prayer_n by_o read_v and_o compare_v scripture_n by_o consult_v ancient_a interpreter_n analogy_n of_o faith_n the_o coherence_n etc._n etc._n and_o even_o the_o pope_n himself_o when_o he_o set_v forth_o his_o translation_n of_o the_o bible_n he_o profess_v to_o all_o the_o world_n that_o he_o do_v it_o in_o the_o very_a same_o manner_n and_o by_o the_o same_o help_n that_o other_o translator_n do_v that_o be_v by_o advise_v with_o learned_a man_n and_o consult_v ancient_a copy_n and_o the_o like_a infallibiliy_v prot._n very_o good_a then_o i_o pray_v you_o tell_v i_o why_o a_o protestant_a minister_n be_v oft_o time_n both_o a_o learneder_n and_o better_a man_n than_o the_o pope_n may_v not_o as_o certain_o hit_v upon_o the_o true_a sense_n of_o the_o scripture_n as_o the_o pope_n himself_o pop._n the_o reason_n be_v plain_a because_o the_o pope_n be_v guide_v by_o the_o infallible_a assistance_n of_o god_n spirit_n prot._n you_o ought_v not_o to_o rant_v at_o this_o height_n until_o you_o have_v solid_o answer_v what_o our_o divine_n have_v write_v against_o this_o infallibility_n and_o i_o hear_v before_o the_o woeful_a weakness_n of_o your_o argument_n for_o it_o be_v to_o i_o the_o vain_a thing_n in_o the_o world_n to_o pretend_v a_o promise_n of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n infallible_o to_o guide_v such_o man_n as_o if_o the_o scripture_n be_v true_a have_v not_o the_o spirit_n of_o christ_n in_o they_o be_v as_o you_o confess_v many_o of_o your_o pope_n and_o bishop_n be_v sensual_a not_o have_v the_o spirit_n and_o have_v apparent_o no_o other_o spirit_n in_o they_o but_o the_o spirit_n of_o the_o world_n the_o spirit_n that_o lust_v to_o envy_v and_o all_o wickedness_n but_o since_o you_o pretend_v the_o scripture_n be_v so_o dark_a i_o pray_v you_o tell_v i_o what_o be_v the_o end_n for_o which_o god_n design_v the_o scripture_n sure_o i_o think_v it_o be_v for_o our_o understanding_n my_o bible_n tell_v i_o that_o whatsoever_o thing_n be_v write_v aforetime_o be_v write_v for_o our_o learning_n rom._n 15._o 4_o but_o if_o you_o say_v true_a it_o seem_v god_n mean_v only_o to_o put_v forth_o riddle_n god_n law_n be_v design_v by_o he_o for_o a_o light_n and_o that_o even_o to_o the_o simple_a psal._n 19_o 7_o 8_o 9_o and_o 119_o 105._o and_o in_o a_o word_n the_o gospel_n be_v so_o clear_a that_o saint_n paul_n pronounce_v it_o be_v hide_v from_o none_o but_o they_o that_o perish_v 2_o cor._n 4._o 3_o 4._o and_o saint_n luke_n write_v his_o gospel_n that_o theophilus_n and_o with_o he_o other_o christian_n may_v know_v the_o certainty_n of_o those_o thing_n wherein_o they_o have_v be_v instruct_v luke_n 1._o 4._o and_o general_o every_o discreet_a man_n that_o write_v a_o book_n write_v it_o so_o as_o it_o may_v be_v understand_v especial_o if_o it_o be_v for_o the_o benefit_n of_o the_o ignorant_a as_o well_o as_o the_o learned_a which_o the_o scripture_n assure_o be_v tell_v i_o then_o i_o pray_v you_o why_o shall_v god_n write_v his_o mind_n so_o dark_o and_o doubtful_o as_o you_o know_v who_o oracle_n be_v say_v to_o be_v deliver_v be_v it_o because_o god_n can_v not_o write_v plain_o and_o want_v the_o gift_n of_o utterance_n or_o because_o he_o will_v not_o pop._n notwithstanding_o all_o this_o it_o be_v certain_a the_o scripture_n be_v full_a of_o obscure_a place_n prot._n i_o do_v not_o deny_v this_o but_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v obscure_o deliver_v in_o one_o place_n be_v more_o clear_o deliver_v in_o another_o and_o those_o dark_a place_n general_o be_v about_o prophecy_n and_o such_o other_o thing_n the_o knowledge_n of_o which_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n but_o for_o necessary_n the_o scripture_n be_v plain_a and_o i_o be_o tell_v that_o divers_a of_o your_o author_n acknowledge_v so_o much_o be_v that_o true_a pop._n i_o confess_v costerus_n have_v this_o expression_n that_o thing_n which_o be_v necessary_a to_o be_v know_v by_o all_o christian_n be_v plain_o and_o clear_o deliver_v in_o the_o write_n of_o the_o apostle_n and_o some_o other_o of_o our_o doctor_n say_v as_o much_o 4._o much_o see_v nullity_n of_o rom._n faith_n chap._n 7._o sect_n 4._o prot._n it_o can_v be_v nothing_o but_o the_o evidence_n of_o the_o truth_n which_o force_v such_o a_o acknowledgement_n from_o its_o great_a adversary_n therefore_o let_v this_o go_v and_o let_v i_o hear_v what_o further_o you_o have_v to_o say_v against_o our_o religion_n pop._n i_o find_v you_o be_v a_o obstinate_a heretic_n and_o settle_v upon_o the_o lees_n and_o therefore_o it_o will_v be_v needless_a to_o discourse_v further_o with_o you_o if_o any_o thing_n can_v have_v convince_v you_o sure_o the_o argument_n i_o have_v offer_v will_v have_v do_v it_o for_o i_o assure_v you_o i_o have_v pick_v out_o the_o strength_n and_o marrow_n of_o the_o catholic_n cause_n in_o the_o point_n we_o have_v discourse_v and_o since_o i_o see_v you_o turn_v a_o deaf_a ear_n to_o my_o counsel_n i_o shall_v give_v you_o over_o as_o incorrigible_a prot._n you_o see_v i_o have_v hear_v you_o with_o great_a patience_n and_o give_v you_o all_o the_o freedom_n you_o can_v desire_v now_o i_o have_v one_o request_n to_o you_o that_o you_o will_v allow_v i_o the_o same_o privilege_n with_o patience_n to_o hear_v and_o if_o you_o can_v answer_v what_o i_o shall_v object_v against_o your_o religion_n pop._n with_o a_o very_a good_a will_n i_o will_v meet_v you_o here_o to_o morrow_n at_o this_o time_n so_o at_o present_a adieu_o the_o second_o conference_n prot._n well_o meet_v sir_n i_o see_v you_o be_v as_o good_a as_o your_o word_n and_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v allow_v i_o as_o much_o freedom_n and_o patience_n as_o i_o do_v you_o pop._n i_o shall_v willing_o do_v it_o therefore_o speak_v free_o and_o so_o will_v i_o and_o if_o truth_n be_v on_o your_o side_n let_v it_o prevail_v prot._n i_o shall_v divide_v my_o discourse_n into_o two_o part_n 1._o some_o general_n consideration_n which_o indeed_o do_v very_o much_o set_v i_o against_o your_o religion_n 2._o i_o shall_v examine_v the_o ground_n of_o your_o principal_a point_n of_o doctrine_n for_o to_o meddle_v with_o all_o will_v be_v needless_a if_o your_o pillar_n fall_v the_o rest_n can_v stand_v for_o the_o first_o there_o be_v several_a weighty_a consideration_n against_o your_o religion_n i_o shall_v give_v you_o they_o in_o order_n the_o first_o general_n consideration_n be_v this_o 1._o that_o your_o church_n decline_v all_o judgement_n but_o her_o own_o and_o make_v herself_o judge_n in_o she_o own_o cause_n you_o do_v not_o allow_v scripture_n to_o be_v judge_n nor_o the_o ancient_a father_n for_o all_o your_o talk_n of_o antiquity_n nor_o indeed_o any_o but_o yourselves_o the_o pope_n or_o a_o council_n of_o your_o own_o and_o your_o church_n it_o seem_v must_v determine_v whether_o she_o be_v a_o true_a church_n or_o no_o and_o whether_o she_o be_v pure_a or_o corrupt_a or_o whether_o she_o be_v infallible_a or_o no_o be_v this_o so_o pop._n i_o confess_v this_o be_v our_o doctrine_n and_o i_o think_v ground_v upon_o reason_n prot._n you_o speak_v against_o the_o common_a sense_n of_o all_o man_n in_o all_o controversy_n or_o difference_n between_o man_n and_o man_n we_o general_o suspect_v that_o party_n who_o will_v submit_v to_o no_o judgement_n but_o his_o own_o and_o he_o who_o be_v willing_a to_o refer_v himself_o to_o any_o three_o indifferent_a party_n be_v general_o presume_v to_o have_v the_o best_a cause_n and_o thâ—s_o be_v our_o case_n protestant_n do_v not_o make_v themselves_o and_o their_o own_o church_n the_o only_a judge_n though_o they_o may_v as_o just_o and_o reasonable_o do_v it_o as_o you_o but_o they_o be_v very_o willing_a to_o submit_v to_o other_o judge_n they_o refer_v themselves_o to_o be_v judge_v by_o the_o scripture_n which_o be_v acknowledge_v to_o be_v a_o most_o indifferent_a judge_n if_o
body_n of_o christ_n do_v not_o you_o profess_v that_o as_o soon_o as_o ever_o it_o cease_v to_o be_v bread_n it_o become_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n pop._n we_o do_v so_o prot._n then_o sure_o if_o it_o be_v a_o substance_n according_a to_o you_o it_o must_v be_v either_o bread_n or_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n but_o you_o allow_v it_o to_o be_v neither_o and_o therefore_o it_o be_v no_o substance_n at_o all_o in_o the_o next_o place_n for_o the_o word_n be_v i_o have_v show_v you_o do_v not_o understand_v that_o proper_o neither_o but_o for_o the_o word_n body_n also_o do_v you_o understand_v that_o proper_o pop._n yes_o without_o doubt_n prot._n i_o be_o tell_v that_o your_o church_n profess_v to_o believe_v that_o christ_n body_n be_v there_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o a_o spirit_n take_v up_o no_o room_n that_o head_n hands_z foot_n be_v altogether_o in_o the_o least_o crumb_n of_o the_o host._n be_v this_o true_a pop._n yes_o we_o all_o agree_v in_o that_o prot._n then_o sure_o i_o be_o the_o word_n body_n be_v most_o improper_o take_v a_o learned_a man_n well_o observe_v that_o you_o plead_v for_o the_o propriety_n of_o word_n and_o destroy_v the_o propriety_n of_o thing_n mess_n how_o can_v you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v proper_o a_o body_n which_o want_v the_o essential_a property_n of_o a_o body_n which_o be_v to_o have_v quantity_n and_o take_v up_o room_n take_v away_o this_o and_o the_o body_n may_v be_v proper_o a_o spirit_n for_o it_o be_v that_o only_a which_o difference_v it_o from_o a_o spirit_n so_o now_o i_o see_v you_o neither_o do_v nor_o can_v understand_v these_o word_n proper_o and_o upon_o the_o whole_a matter_n that_o this_o doctrine_n be_v false_a and_o your_o proof_n most_o weak_a and_o frivolous_a you_o shall_v see_v that_o i_o have_v better_a argument_n against_o your_o doctrine_n than_o you_o have_v for_o it_o pop._n i_o pray_v you_o let_v i_o hear_v they_o but_o be_v brief_a in_o they_o prot._n i_o have_v only_o three_o argument_n your_o doctrine_n be_v against_o sense_n against_o reason_n and_o against_o scripture_n pop._n let_v i_o see_v how_o you_o will_v make_v these_o thing_n good_a prot._n for_o the_o first_o i_o ask_v you_o if_o i_o be_o as_o sure_a that_o your_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n be_v false_a as_o you_o be_v sure_a that_o the_o christian_a religion_n be_v true_a will_v you_o desire_v more_o evidence_n pop._n if_o i_o shall_v i_o be_v a_o unreasonable_a person_n prot._n and_o have_v you_o any_o great_a assurance_n now_o of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o christian_a religion_n than_o you_o can_v have_v have_v if_o you_o have_v live_v in_o christ_n day_n pop._n that_o be_v impudence_n to_o affirm_v but_o what_o do_v you_o mean_v prot._n if_o you_o have_v live_v then_o what_o great_a evidence_n can_v you_o have_v have_v of_o it_o than_o what_o your_o sense_n afford_v for_o since_o the_o great_a argument_n for_o christianity_n as_o all_o agree_v be_v the_o word_n that_o christ_n speak_v and_o the_o work_n that_o christ_n do_v how_o can_v you_o be_v sure_a that_o he_o do_v so_o speak_v or_o so_o work_v if_o you_o may_v not_o credit_v the_o report_n of_o your_o eye_n and_o ear_n this_o be_v s._n luke_n great_a evidence_n of_o the_o truth_n of_o what_o he_o write_v that_o it_o be_v deliver_v to_o he_o by_o eye-witness_n s._n luke_n 1._o 1_o 2._o and_o st._n john_n what_o we_o have_v see_v with_o our_o eye_n and_o our_o hand_n have_v handle_v of_o the_o word_n of_o life_n 1_o john_n 1_o and_o st._n paul_n for_o christ_n resurrection_n that_o he_o be_v see_v of_o cephas_n then_o of_o the_o twelve_o then_o of_o the_o 500_o 1_o cor._n 15._o 5_o 6._o even_o thomas_n his_o infidelity_n yield_v to_o this_o argument_n that_o if_o he_o do_v thrust_v his_o hand_n into_o christ_n side_n he_o will_v believe_v john_n 20._o 25._o christ_n judge_v this_o a_o convince_a argument_n when_o the_o apostle_n think_v he_o have_v be_v a_o spirit_n handle_v i_o and_o see_v for_o a_o spirit_n have_v not_o flesh_n and_o bone_n as_o you_o see_v i_o have_v luk._n 24._o 39_o be_v these_o thing_n true_a pop._n i_o can_v deny_v it_o they_o be_v not_o you_o but_o scripture_n assertion_n prot._n and_o do_v not_o all_o my_o sense_n tell_v i_o that_o this_o be_v bread_n pop._n i_o must_v grant_v that_o but_o your_o sense_n be_v deceive_v prot._n then_o your_o sense_n also_o may_v have_v be_v deceive_v about_o the_o word_n and_o work_n of_o christ_n and_o so_o the_o great_a evidence_n of_o christian_a religion_n be_v lose_v but_o for_o my_o part_n it_o make_v i_o abhor_v your_o religion_n that_o so_o you_o may_v but_o seem_v to_o defend_v your_o own_o opinion_n you_o care_v not_o if_o you_o shake_v the_o pillar_n of_o christianity_n my_o second_o argument_n be_v that_o your_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n be_v against_o reason_n tell_v i_o i_o pray_v you_o do_v you_o think_v any_o of_o the_o article_n of_o christian_a religion_n be_v contrary_a to_o reason_n pop._n no_o they_o may_v be_v above_o reason_n but_o god_n forbid_v i_o shall_v be_v so_o injurious_a to_o christianity_n to_o say_v any_o of_o they_o be_v against_o reason_n prot._n but_o your_o doctrine_n be_v as_o much_o against_o reason_n as_o sense_n for_o it_o make_v you_o believe_v thing_n absolute_o impossible_a and_o gross_a contradiction_n pop._n you_o may_v imagine_v many_o thing_n impossible_a that_o real_o be_v not_o so_o but_o if_o you_o can_v prove_v any_o real_a impossibility_n which_o this_o doctrine_n force_v we_o to_o believe_v i_o must_v yield_v for_o we_o join_v with_o you_o in_o condemn_v the_o lutheran_n opinion_n that_o christ_n body_n be_v every_o where_o because_o it_o be_v a_o impossibility_n and_o we_o therefore_o expound_v those_o word_n i_o be_o the_o vine_n i_o be_o a_o door_n etc._n etc._n figurative_o because_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o he_o who_o be_v a_o man_n to_o be_v a_o vine_n or_o a_o door_n 276._o prot._n and_o it_o be_v no_o less_o impossible_a for_o the_o bread_n to_o be_v christ_n body_n why_o may_v not_o the_o vine_n as_o well_o as_o the_o wine_n be_v by_o transubstantiation_n convert_v into_o christ_n substance_n i_o think_v the_o mother_n be_v as_o good_a as_o the_o daughter_n and_o especial_o since_o christ_n say_v i_o be_o the_o true_a vine_n you_o may_v as_o well_o have_v devise_v another_o transubstantiation_n to_o make_v christ_n word_n good_a i_o know_v what_o work_n you_o will_v have_v make_v of_o it_o if_o he_o have_v say_v this_o be_v my_o true_a body_n or_o my_o true_a blood_n but_o to_o give_v that_o over_o i_o will_v show_v you_o that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o heap_n of_o contradiction_n as_o never_o meet_v together_o in_o the_o most_o absurd_a opinion_n that_o ever_o be_v in_o the_o world_n i_o profess_v when_o i_o set_v my_o wit_n at_o work_n i_o can_v devise_v great_a absurdity_n than_o you_o believe_v tell_v i_o do_v you_o hold_v that_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o christ_n be_v present_a in_o every_o crumb_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o in_o every_o drop_n of_o the_o wine_n pop._n yes_o doubtless_o christ_n be_v there_o entire_a and_o undivided_a prot._n i_o suppose_v you_o believe_v that_o christ_n body_n be_v in_o heaven_n in_o such_o a_o proportion_n or_o bigness_n as_o he_o have_v upon_o earth_n pop._n no_o doubt_n of_o that_o prot._n then_o the_o same_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v big_a than_o itself_o and_o long_o than_o its_o self_n and_o which_o be_v yet_o worse_o christ_n be_v divide_v from_o himself_o i_o know_v not_o what_o can_v be_v more_o impossible_a than_o to_o say_v that_o all_o christ_n be_v at_o rome_n and_o all_o at_o london_n and_o all_o in_o heaven_n and_o yet_o not_o in_o the_o place_n between_o pop_n all_o this_o be_v by_o god_n almighty_a power_n prot._n then_o i_o suppose_v by_o the_o same_o almighty_a power_n it_o be_v possible_a for_o any_o other_o man_n to_o be_v in_o so_o many_o place_n for_o it_o matter_n not_o that_o christ_n be_v invisible_o in_o so_o many_o place_n and_o another_o shall_v be_v there_o visible_o or_o that_o christ_n be_v there_o in_o so_o little_a a_o bulk_n and_o another_o must_v be_v in_o a_o great_a pop._n i_o must_v needs_o grant_v that_o and_o i_o affirm_v it_o be_v not_o absolute_o impossible_a for_o any_o other_o man_n to_o be_v at_o several_a place_n at_o once_o by_o god_n power_n prot._n then_o mark_v what_o monster_n follow_v from_o this_o suppose_v now_o john_n to_o be_v by_o divine_a power_n at_o the_o same_o time_n at_o rome_n at_o paris_n and_o at_o london_n where_o ever_o john_n be_v alive_a i_o suppose_v he_o have_v a_o power_n to_o move_v himself_o pop._n that_o must_v needs_o be_v else_o he_o be_v not_o a_o
christ._n god_n have_v make_v he_o the_o only_a mediator_n 1_o tim._n 2._o 5._o he_o have_v invite_v all_o person_n to_o come_v free_o and_o bold_o to_o he_o have_v promise_v those_o that_o come_v to_o he_o he_o will_v in_o no_o wise_a cast_v out_o joh._n 6._o 37._o why_o do_v not_o you_o then_o go_v immediate_o to_o christ_n this_o be_v a_o manifest_a question_v either_o of_o his_o power_n or_o faithfulness_n or_o goodness_n pop._n it_o be_v one_o of_o the_o slander_n of_o your_o minister_n that_o we_o dishonour_n christ_n we_o only_o pray_v to_o saint_n to_o pray_v to_o christ._n prot._n all_o your_o book_n of_o devot_n on_o confute_v that_o pretence_n for_o you_o profess_v in_o your_o mass-book_n rogamus_fw-la they_o help_v you_o by_o their_o merit_n as_o well_o as_o by_o their_o prayer_n bellarmine_n affirm_v that_o the_o saint_n in_o some_o sort_n be_v our_o redeemer_n 4._o be_v this_o no_o more_o than_o only_o to_o pray_v for_o you_o be_v it_o no_o more_o than_o this_o when_o you_o pray_v thus_o to_o the_o virgin_n mary_n do_v thou_o protect_v we_o drive_v away_o evil_a from_o we_o and_o require_v good_a thing_n for_o we_o and_o in_o right_a of_o a_o mother_n command_v thy_o son_n be_v it_o no_o more_o than_o this_o when_o you_o say_v the_o lord_n be_v with_o she_o i._n e._n the_o virgin_n marry_o and_o she_o with_o the_o lord_n in_o the_o same_o work_n of_o redemption_n and_o when_o esa._n 63._o be_v object_v i_o tread_v the_o wine_n press_v alone_o and_o there_o be_v no_o man_n with_o i_o they_o answer_v cunning_o true_a lord_n there_o be_v no_o man_n with_o thou_o but_o there_o be_v a_o woman_n with_o thou_o 1493._o be_v it_o no_o dishonour_n to_o christ_n that_o your_o famous_a biel_n say_v that_o god_n have_v give_v the_o virgin_n mary_n half_a of_o his_o kingdom_n and_o that_o whereas_o he_o have_v justice_n and_o mercy_n he_o keep_v justice_n to_o himself_o and_o grant_v mercy_n to_o the_o virgin_n 80._o in_o my_o opinion_n they_o shall_v do_v well_o to_o take_v in_o christ_n for_o a_o share_n in_o the_o mercy_n be_v it_o no_o dishonour_n to_o christ_n to_o say_v that_o prayer_n which_o be_v make_v to_o and_o deliver_v by_o the_o saint_n be_v better_o than_o those_o by_o christ_n as_o salmeron_n say_v 467._o be_v it_o no_o dishonour_n to_o christ_n that_o barradius_fw-la the_o jesuit_n ask_v of_o christ_n why_o he_o take_v not_o his_o mother_n up_o with_o he_o when_o he_o ascend_v up_o to_o heaven_n and_o frame_v this_o answer_n 11._o peradventure_o lord_n it_o be_v lest_o thy_o heavenly_a courtier_n shall_v be_v in_o doubt_n whether_o to_o go_v out_o to_o meet_v thou_o their_o lord_n or_o she_o their_o lady_n be_v it_o no_o dishonour_n to_o christ_n that_o carolus_n scribanius_n otherwise_o clarus_n bonarscius_n profess_v he_o can_v tell_v which_o to_o prefer_v the_o mother_n milk_n or_o the_o son_n blood_n honoris_fw-la i_o believe_v neither_o christ_n nor_o his_o mother_n will_v give_v these_o man_n thanks_o for_o this_o another_o day_n and_o all_o these_o passage_n be_v not_o in_o obscure_a author_n that_o privy_o steal_v abroad_o into_o the_o world_n but_o in_o eminent_a person_n and_o book_n license_v by_o the_o approbation_n and_o according_a to_o the_o order_n of_o your_o church_n and_o beside_o your_o church_n own_v they_o in_o that_o she_o do_v not_o blot_v they_o out_o nor_o put_v they_o into_o her_o expurgatory_n indices_fw-la moreover_o i_o must_v pray_v to_o none_o but_o those_o in_o who_o i_o must_v trust_v rom._n 10._o 13_o 14._o how_o shall_v they_o call_v on_o he_o in_o who_o they_o have_v not_o belieuâ—d_v and_o trust_n be_v god_n prerogative_n incommunicable_a to_o any_o creature_n jer._n 17._o 5._o curse_a be_v he_o that_o trust_v in_o man_n again_o i_o must_v pray_v to_o none_o but_o to_o who_o i_o may_v pray_v in_o faith_n and_o without_o doubt_v and_o upon_o good_a ground_n believe_v that_o i_o shall_v receive_v mat._n 21._o 22._o james_n 1._o 5_o 6._o but_o i_o be_o not_o sure_a that_o the_o saint_n do_v hear_v my_o prayer_n or_o can_v and_o will_v grant_v they_o pop._n the_o saint_n in_o glory_n do_v know_v what_o we_o pray_v to_o they_o prot._n how_o do_v that_o appear_v pop._n there_o be_v several_a way_n whereby_o they_o know_v these_o thing_n but_o i_o adhere_v to_o what_o bellarmine_n say_v that_o they_o know_v this_o by_o revelation_n from_o god_n prot._n you_o shall_v not_o only_o say_v this_o but_o prove_v it_o one_o of_o your_o infallible_a pope_n gregory_n deny_v this_o no_o scripture_n inform_v you_o thus_o much_o nay_o that_o sufficient_o imply_v that_o the_o saint_n do_v not_o particular_o know_v nor_o mind_n the_o concern_v of_o this_o world_n god_n tell_v josiah_n 2_o chr._n 34._o 28._o thou_o shall_v be_v gather_v to_o thy_o grave_n in_o peace_n neither_o shall_v thy_o eye_n see_v the_o evil_n i_o will_v bring_v upon_o this_o place_n eccl._n 9_o 5._o the_o dead_a know_v not_o any_o thing_n of_o the_o particular_a occurrence_n of_o this_o life_n see_v job_n 14._o 21._o i_o be_o sure_a these_o be_v ten_o time_n better_a argument_n than_o what_o you_o bring_v for_o the_o contrary_n and_o in_o a_o word_n its_o god_n incommunicable_a prerogative_n to_o know_v the_o heart_n and_o secret_a prayer_n 2_o chron._n 6._o 30._o mat._n 6._o 6._o so_o upon_o the_o whole_a matter_n i_o conclude_v and_o now_o by_o the_o vanity_n of_o your_o argument_n and_o answer_n do_v full_o discern_v the_o falseness_n of_o this_o opinion_n and_o the_o wickedness_n of_o the_o practice_n of_o call_v upon_o saint_n let_v i_o hear_v whether_o you_o have_v any_o better_a evidence_n for_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n i_o hope_v you_o have_v and_o i_o be_o sure_a you_o need_v very_o clear_a and_o strong_a argument_n for_o that_o practice_n or_o else_o you_o be_v guilty_a of_o that_o damnable_a sin_n of_o idolatry_n pop._n we_o have_v very_o good_a argument_n for_o that_o i_o will_v use_v only_o two_o and_o those_o our_o strong_a argument_n as_o you_o desire_v first_o we_o have_v the_o example_n and_o command_n of_o god_n for_o it_o he_o cause_v the_o image_n of_o the_o cherubim_v to_o be_v make_v and_o put_v upon_o the_o ark_n which_o be_v worship_v psal._n 98._o if_o the_o ark_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v because_o it_o represent_v god_n footstool_n much_o more_o may_v a_o image_n be_v worship_v as_o our_o mr._n bishop_n right_o argue_v image_n prot._n i_o suppose_v if_o this_o be_v a_o good_a argument_n to_o we_o now_o it_o be_v so_o to_o the_o jew_n former_o for_o length_n of_o time_n do_v not_o turn_v false_a argument_n into_o true_a one_o tell_v i_o therefore_o if_o you_o have_v live_v when_o the_o law_n exod._n 20._o be_v new_o give_v and_o one_o have_v persuade_v you_o to_o worship_n image_n by_o your_o own_o argument_n what_o will_v you_o have_v answer_v pop._n i_o will_v have_v say_v it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o because_o the_o ark_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v which_o god_n command_v they_o to_o worship_n therefore_o image_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v which_o god_n forbid_v they_o to_o worship_n prot._n good_a sir_n bestow_v this_o answer_n as_o a_o token_n from_o i_o upon_o any_o of_o your_o brethren_n that_o shall_v argue_v so_o absurd_o beside_o it_o seem_v very_o unlikely_a to_o i_o that_o the_o cherubim_n be_v ordain_v to_o be_v worship_v by_o the_o people_n because_o they_o be_v never_o see_v by_o the_o people_n you_o put_v the_o image_n which_o you_o worship_v in_o the_o most_o visible_a and_o conspicuous_a place_n pop._n yet_o no_o man_n can_v worship_v the_o ark_n but_o he_o must_v worship_v the_o cherubim_n for_o they_o be_v over_o the_o ark._n prot._n in_o that_o case_n the_o cherubim_n be_v not_o at_o all_o worship_v unless_o you_o will_v say_v that_o he_o that_o worship_v one_o of_o your_o wooden_a image_n worship_n also_o the_o spider_n which_o peradventure_o be_v pay_v its_o devotion_n there_o and_o get_v into_o the_o saint_n mouth_n beside_o it_o do_v not_o appear_v that_o the_o ark_n itself_o be_v worship_v for_o that_o also_o be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o see_v by_o the_o people_n therefore_o not_o like_a to_o be_v worship_v all_o that_o we_o read_v be_v that_o the_o israelite_n do_v and_o ought_v to_o worship_n god_n towards_o the_o ark_n and_o so_o they_o be_v say_v to_o worship_n god_n towards_o the_o whole_a temple_n and_o towards_o jerusalem_n and_o towards_o the_o holy_a mountain_n and_o towards_o heaven_n yet_o i_o presume_v you_o will_v not_o say_v all_o these_o place_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v and_o if_o god_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v towards_o these_o place_n because_o he_o tell_v we_o express_o his_o special_a presence_n be_v there_o what_o be_v this_o to_o image_n which_o god_n banish_v
in_o the_o case_n of_o abraham_n offering_n up_o isaac_n and_o the_o israelite_n spoil_v the_o egyptian_n of_o their_o jewel_n yet_o i_o need_v no_o other_o answer_n but_o this_o i_o direct_o deny_v that_o here_o be_v any_o contradiction_n at_o all_o for_o our_o question_n be_v not_o about_o the_o make_n of_o image_n whether_o by_o god_n order_n or_o man_n but_o about_o the_o worship_v of_o they_o and_o albeit_o there_o be_v such_o image_n make_v yet_o they_o be_v not_o make_v to_o be_v worship_v as_o i_o before_o prove_v nor_o be_v there_o any_o danger_n the_o people_n shall_v worship_v they_o because_o they_o be_v not_o admit_v to_o see_v they_o but_o i_o pray_v you_o answer_v i_o this_o one_o question_n i_o be_o tell_v that_o divers_a of_o your_o own_o author_n confess_v that_o the_o jew_n indeed_o be_v though_o christian_n be_v not_o forbid_v the_o use_n of_o image_n by_o this_o command_n be_v it_o so_o pop._n these_o indeed_o be_v the_o word_n of_o our_o famous_a vasquez_n after_o he_o have_v mention_v divers_a author_n for_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n there_o be_v say_v he_o other_o author_n neither_o few_o nor_o inferior_a to_o they_o who_o be_v of_o the_o contrary_a opinion_n which_o to_o i_o always_o seem_v most_o probable_a to_o wit_n that_o all_o the_o use_n of_o image_n be_v here_o forbid_a to_o the_o jew_n 2._o and_o for_o this_o he_o quote_v many_o of_o our_o approve_a author_n and_o salmeron_n say_v no_o less_o primaâ—_n prot._n and_o you_o need_v say_v no_o more_o for_o then_o all_o these_o author_n think_v your_o distinction_n of_o image_n and_o idol_n frivolous_a and_o that_o the_o word_n pâ—sel_n be_v mean_v of_o any_o image_n and_o not_o of_o idol_n only_o as_o you_o foolish_o distinguish_v and_o so_o your_o principal_a refuge_n be_v lose_v and_o you_o be_v convict_v idolater_n and_o then_o if_o you_o repent_v not_o you_o know_v where_o your_o portion_n will_v be_v go_v now_o and_o brag_v of_o the_o safeness_n of_o your_o religion_n i_o see_v how_o little_a it_o be_v that_o you_o can_v say_v for_o your_o worship_n of_o the_o dead_a saint_n and_o their_o image_n let_v i_o hear_v whether_o you_o have_v any_o better_a argument_n for_o your_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o purgatory_n pop._n i_o be_o glad_a you_o mention_v that_o since_o all_o your_o divine_n do_v agree_v that_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n and_o father_n prot._n if_o that_o be_v true_a it_o be_v not_o sufficient_a for_o your_o purpose_n for_o i_o be_o full_o satisfy_v that_o the_o father_n be_v not_o infallible_a and_o your_o own_o great_a doctor_n think_v so_o too_o 3._o but_o beside_o i_o be_o tell_v that_o their_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v quite_o of_o another_o nature_n than_o you_o and_o for_o other_o purpose_n and_o they_o be_v ground_v upon_o some_o private_a opinion_n of_o they_o which_o you_o disow_v for_o they_o pray_v not_o only_o for_o those_o who_o you_o suppose_v to_o be_v in_o purgatory_n but_o for_o those_o who_o you_o confess_v many_o of_o they_o never_o do_v come_v there_o they_o pray_v for_o all_o the_o saint_n from_o the_o righteous_a abel_n to_o this_o day_n they_o pray_v for_o all_o their_o ancestor_n patriarch_n prophet_n and_o martyr_n as_o i_o have_v hear_v it_o in_o some_o of_o their_o liturgy_n be_v it_o so_o pop._n it_o be_v so_o prot._n i_o pray_v you_o tell_v i_o what_o do_v you_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a pop._n we_o pray_v that_o god_n will_v deliver_v they_o from_o those_o dreadful_a pain_n of_o purgatory_n prot._n then_o if_o there_o be_v no_o purgatory_n the_o foundation_n of_o your_o prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a be_v go_v pop._n i_o grant_v it_o prot._n then_o let_v we_o discourse_v of_o the_o most_o fundamental_a point_n as_o we_o have_v hitherto_o do_v the_o rest_n will_v fall_v of_o course_n therefore_o first_o i_o pray_v tell_v i_o your_o opinion_n concern_v purgatory_n pop._n our_o doctrine_n in_o brief_a be_v this_o that_o though_o god_n free_o give_v to_o all_o that_o be_v true_o penitent_a forgiveness_n of_o their_o sin_n and_o freedom_n from_o eternal_a death_n yet_o since_o they_o have_v much_o venial_a sin_n and_o corruption_n in_o they_o in_o which_o ofttimes_o they_o die_v therefore_o it_o be_v necessary_a that_o they_o shall_v for_o the_o expiation_n of_o those_o sin_n and_o for_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o god_n justice_n either_o do_v or_o suffer_v such_o penance_n fast_n prayer_n etc._n etc._n as_o be_v enjoin_v they_o here_o or_o where_o those_o be_v not_o sufficient_a suffer_v the_o pain_n of_o purgatory_n prot._n i_o understand_v your_o doctrine_n now_o let_v i_o hear_v two_o of_o your_o strong_a argument_n to_o prove_v it_o i_o hear_v that_o bellarmin_n threaten_v we_o that_o whosoever_o do_v not_o believe_v purgatory_n shall_v be_v torment_v in_o hell_n ult_n be_v it_o true_a pop._n he_o do_v say_v so_o and_o i_o be_o of_o his_o mind_n prot._n then_o i_o hope_v you_o have_v very_o clear_a argument_n for_o it_o because_o you_o lay_v so_o great_a a_o stress_n upon_o it_o but_o first_o i_o have_v hear_v that_o this_o doctrine_n of_o purgatory_n be_v confess_v by_o divers_a of_o your_o own_o brethren_n to_o be_v but_o a_o new_a doctrine_n be_v it_o so_o pop._n i_o will_v not_o dissemble_v with_o you_o several_a of_o our_o doctor_n have_v unadvised_o blurt_v out_o such_o expression_n as_o these_o our_o famous_a english_a martyr_n fisher_n bishop_n of_o rochester_n confess_v that_o purgatory_n be_v for_o a_o long_a time_n unknown_a and_o either_o never_a or_o very_a seldom_o mention_v among_o the_o ancient_a father_n 18._o and_o alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n say_v that_o many_o thing_n be_v know_v to_o we_o of_o which_o the_o ancient_a writer_n be_v altogether_o ignorant_a 258._o and_o among_o they_o he_o reckon_v purgatory_n which_o say_v he_o the_o greek_a writer_n mention_v not_o and_o even_o to_o this_o day_n it_o be_v not_o believe_v by_o the_o greek_a church_n prot._n i_o suppose_v you_o do_v not_o think_v all_o these_o ancient_a father_n be_v damn_v pop._n no_o god_n forbid_v for_o many_o of_o they_o be_v glorious_a confessor_n and_o martyr_n prot._n then_o i_o see_v bellarmine_n threat_n be_v not_o very_o formidable_a but_o to_o let_v this_o pass_v how_o do_v you_o prove_v this_o doctrine_n pop._n from_o plain_a scripture_n 1._o from_o mat._n 12._o 32._o whosoever_o speak_v against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n it_o shall_v not_o be_v forgive_v he_o neither_o in_o this_o world_n neither_o in_o the_o world_n to_o come_v which_o clear_o imply_v that_o some_o sin_n not_o forgive_v in_o this_o world_n be_v forgive_v in_o the_o next_o and_o that_o must_v be_v in_o purgatory_n prot._n i_o pray_v you_o tell_v i_o what_o sin_n be_v they_o which_o be_v forgive_v in_o purgatory_n pop._n not_o great_a and_o mortal_a but_o small_a and_o venial_a sin_n as_o we_o all_o agree_v prot._n be_v not_o blasphemy_n against_o the_o son_n of_o man_n a_o mortal_a sin_n pop._n yes_o doubtless_o but_o what_o of_o that_o prot._n if_o this_o text_n prove_v the_o pardon_n of_o any_o sin_n it_o prove_v the_o pardon_n of_o that_o sin_n no_o less_o than_o other_o because_o the_o sin_n against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v here_o speak_v of_o as_o the_o only_a sin_n which_o be_v unpardonable_a in_o both_o world_n beside_o christ_n speak_v thus_o in_o opposition_n to_o a_o corrupt_a opinion_n which_o i_o have_v hear_v now_o be_v and_o then_o be_v rife_o among_o the_o jew_n to_o wit_n that_o divers_a of_o their_o sin_n be_v pardon_v after_o this_o life_n and_o that_o this_o be_v one_o of_o their_o ancient_a prayer_n let_v my_o death_n be_v the_o expiation_n of_o all_o my_o sin_n for_o they_o think_v the_o suffering_n of_o this_o life_n and_o death_n the_o last_o of_o they_o do_v free_v they_o from_o the_o punishment_n of_o the_o other_o life_n and_o i_o have_v hear_v that_o it_o be_v one_o of_o their_o say_n that_o every_o israelite_n have_v a_o part_n in_o the_o future_a life_n be_v these_o thing_n so_o pop._n to_o deal_v free_o with_o you_o this_o be_v not_o only_o true_a but_o it_o be_v one_o of_o our_o argument_n for_o purgatory_n that_o jason_n the_o cyrenian_a who_o live_v long_o before_o christ_n time_n express_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v profitable_a to_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a that_o their_o sin_n may_v be_v pardon_v 2_o mac._n 12._o prot._n i_o think_v that_o be_v impertinent_o allege_v for_o purgatory_n for_o the_o sin_n those_o man_n die_v in_o be_v a_o mortal_a sin_n as_o you_o confess_v and_o therefore_o not_o pardonable_a in_o purgatory_n but_o i_o thank_v you_o for_o this_o for_o now_o i_o be_o satisfy_v that_o it_o be_v a_o ancient_a opinion_n among_o the_o jew_n and_o so_o christ_n have_v just_a