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A10179 Certaine quæres propounded to the bowers at the name of Iesvs and to the patrons thereof. Wherein the authorities, and reasons alleadged by Bishop Andrewes and his followers, in defence of this ceremony, are briefly examined and refuted; the mistranslation of Phil. 2.10.11. cleared, and that tet, with others acquitted both from commanding or authorizing this novell ceremony, here gived to be unlawfull in sundry respects. Prynne, William, 1600-1669. 1636 (1636) STC 20456; ESTC S103164 42,726 52

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name at his Triple Crowne or Crosse and will you never once stirre your capps or bow your knees when God is named Is this your Religion Is this your fashion Then let me conclude against you as you have done against me that you are by your owne argument very Atheists such as make no account of God himselfe for otherwise this conclusion of yours that I am such a one for not honouring the name of Iesus in such sort is falsely though most maliciously devised The Iewes and Infidels have abhorred the name of Iesus I grant but no more the name of Iesus than the name of Christ seeing Iesus is Christ and Christ hath as much deserved to be hated of them as Iesus Christs name may a thousand times be heard amongst you and no man mooveth capp or knee Iesus is no sooner sounded but every man by and by putteth of his capp and scrapeth on the ground with his foote And yet not allwayes or in all places but in the Church and especially at reading of the Gospell This may breed a more dangerous opinion than any it can remoove that Jesus is better than Christ is and more worthy of reverence which is wicked to imagine The same learned Doctor also in his preface to his answer to Saunders his Demonstration concerning Antichrist mustering up diverse absurd consequences of the Papists and Iesuites from sundry Texts of Scripture as Christ entred into Peters Ship Therefore the whole Church is Peters to wit the Popes Ship Barnabas layd downe the whole price of the feild hee sold at the Apostles feete therefore the Popes feete are to be kissed With many such like consequences He concludes with this as the grossest of all the rest A Name above every name is given to Christ that in the name of Iesus every knee should bow therefore as oft as wee heare the name of Iesus mentioned wee must uncover our heads and bow our knees After which hee thus proceeds When I say men shall heare these and infinite such like expositions and argumentations of these New-masters if there be any sense left in them not onely of the Holy-Ghost but likewise of common judgement they cannot thinke that a religion grounded upon those foundations can be firme and certaine to be preferred before all others For yet further proofe in this 4. place take also M. Cartwrights testimonie who brings in the Rhemists writing thus just as our Patriotes of bowing at the name of Iesus now both write and preach They by the like wickednesse charge the faithfull people for capping and kneeing when they heare the name of Iesus as though they worshipped not our Lord God therein but the Sillables or letters or other materiall elements whereof the word written or spoken consisteth and all this by Sophistications to drawe the people from due honour and devotion towards Christ Iesus which is Sathans drift by putting Scruples into poore simple mens mindes at his Sacraments his Saints his Crosse his Name his Image and such like to abolish all true religion out of the World and to make them plaine Atheists But the Church knoweth Sathans cogitations and therefore by Scriptures and reason warranteth and teacheth all her children to doe reverence whensoever Jesus is named because Catholikes doe not honour these things nor count them holy for their matter colour sound and syllables but for the respect and relation they have to our Saviour bringing us to remembrance and apprehension of Christ by sight hearing or use of the same signes Else why make wee not reverence at the name of Ie●us the Sonne of Syrack as well as Iesus Christ And it is a pittyfull case to see these profane subtilities of Hereticks to take place in religion which were ridiculous in all other trade of life When we heare our Prince or Soveraigne named wee may without these scruples doe obeysance but toward Christ it must be superstitious Thus the Rhemists To whom M. Cartwright thus replies This dirt which they dash us with is as well made of them as throwne by them For it is false that wee will have no reverence to be given to the name of Iesus wee say that there ought to be no other honour or reverence given to it than to the name of Christ of Lord of God And further wee say that this supplenesse of your knees in bowing at the name of Iesus is nothing but a mask to hide the straitnes and numbnesse of all the joynts of your heart and Soule in your submission to the Commandement of Iesus For it is well knowne that your knees which are cammel like in the courtesie which you give to this name are joyntlesse and Elephantlike in your obedience unto his precepts to whom this Name appertayneth Againe wee testifie that this is a Will-worship not onely trouble●ome to the assemblie by irksome scraping of the pavement and unseasonable interruption of that which is read or preached but pernicious also in regard of the suspitiō that it may move of the inequality of the Per●ons in Trinity whilest a title of the Sonne being honoured with capp and knee the other Persons have neither bonnet vailed nor foote mooved to testifie any honour to them The vaunt of Scripture for proofe of this worship must needs avaunt For this being the onely stay and prop which they can pretend out of Scripture makes nothing for it First for that this name of Iesus in this place signifieth not any title or note whereby Christ is called but his Authority and whatsoever is glorious and excellent within him as in diverse places it doth likewise appeare Secondly for that hee understandeth not by this word knee the member of the body whereby they honour but by a borrowed speach the subjection and bending of all creatures unto the infinite Power of Chr●st so that the soules departed and Angells which have no knees are subject to this courtesying as well as men living upon earth If therefore the heavenly Spirits can yeild this subjection unto Christ without courtesying at the name of Ie●us it followeth that this Exposition of bowing the knee is farre from the meaning of the Apostle in that text Thirdly for that the kneeling and courtesying heere spoken of is performed as well by the wicked and di●obedient as by the holy and obedient Spirits it is plaine that all kinde of reverence being a voluntary and frank worship of Christ after the prescript of his word is without warrant of the place This Scripture making nothing for them their reason allthough it were likely cannot beare it out And whereas they would free themselves from superstition in syllables because they bow not at the name of Iesus the Sonne of Syrach as to Iesus the Sonne of God whilest the knee jumping with the very first utterance of the word of I●sus preventeth oftentimes the pronunciation of the words of the Sonne of Syrack the very danger therefore of communicating of this worship with others which they would