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you_o deliver_v we_o here_o by_o warrant_n of_o that_o council_n 8._o council_n trident_n sess_v 14._o ca._n 8._o this_o it_o be_v the_o satisfaction_n which_o we_o undertake_v for_o our_o sin_n be_v we_o but_o yet_o by_o christ_n jesus_n which_o in_o effect_n be_v all_o one_o as_o if_o they_o have_v say_v that_o christ_n himself_o have_v not_o satisfy_v for_o our_o sin_n at_o all_o but_o only_o have_v purchase_v to_o we_o a_o faculty_n and_o hability_n every_o man_n to_o satisie_n for_o his_o own_o sin_n 2.24_o the_o scripture_n teach_v that_o christ_n himself_o have_v satisfy_v for_o our_o sin_n 1._o pet_n 2.24_o this_o be_v the_o mystery_n of_o your_o satisfaction_n a_o mystery_n of_o great_a impiety_n for_o the_o scripture_n teach_v the_o clean_a contrary_n s._n peter_n say_v that_o christ_n have_v bear_v our_o sin_n in_o his_o body_n upon_o the_o cross_n and_o how_o have_v he_o bear_v they_o if_o he_o have_v not_o satisfy_v for_o they_o do_v he_o take_v they_o upon_o himself_o 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yet_o do_v buffet_v he_o on_o the_o face_n with_o their_o fist_n andrea_n fricius_n if_o he_o have_v any_o private_a opinion_n of_o his_o own_o let_v he_o take_v it_o to_o himself_o he_o may_v not_o obtrude_v it_o upon_o the_o church_n without_o warrant_n of_o god_n word_n and_o yet_o out_o of_o his_o word_n by_o you_o rehearse_v what_o can_v you_o gather_v serve_v for_o proof_n of_o man_n merit_n or_o satisfaction_n what_o your_o opinion_n and_o judgement_n be_v etc._n pag_n 95_o etc._n etc._n m._n rainolds_n of_o my_o learning_n and_o writing_n i_o trust_v you_o think_v i_o make_v no_o great_a account_n very_o among_o the_o whole_a rabble_n of_o popish_a proctor_n there_o be_v none_o that_o i_o have_v read_v of_o less_o wit_n and_o learning_n than_o yourself_o what_o account_v your_o fellow_n make_v of_o you_o i_o can_v report_v but_o if_o they_o esteem_v you_o for_o one_o of_o their_o worthy_n you_o be_v more_o behold_v to_o they_o than_o you_o have_v deserve_v of_o they_o for_o 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unlearned_a soever_o you_o think_v we_o be_v but_o by_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o light_n of_o his_o word_n can_v easy_o discover_v the_o falsehood_n and_o corruption_n of_o your_o religion_n let_v we_o now_o consider_v upon_o what_o point_v you_o be_v bold_a to_o utter_v so_o fond_o your_o judgement_n of_o i_o and_o thereby_o make_v trial_n of_o that_o profound_a learning_n which_o you_o take_v to_o yourself_o with_o out_o cause_n as_o shall_v here_o and_o every_o where_o appear_v first_o you_o charge_v i_o 98._o pag._n 98._o that_o i_o understand_v not_o m._n martin_n meaning_n which_o though_o it_o be_v true_a yet_o be_v it_o i_o trust_v a_o venial_a offence_n but_o i_o perceive_v his_o meaning_n well_o enough_o &_o frame_v my_o answer_n direct_o to_o the_o same_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o to_o attribute_v to_o our_o suffering_n the_o virtue_n of_o satisfy_v for_o our_o sin_n be_v not_o injurious_a to_o the_o passion_n &_o satisfaction_n of_o christ_n i_o say_v it_o be_v 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reveil_v unto_o we_o not_o our_o suffering_n be_v not_o worthy_a the_o glory_n of_o heaven_n and_o therefore_o deserve_v it_o not_o if_o then_o there_o be_v not_o any_o proportion_n at_o all_o between_o our_o suffering_n and_o eternal_a glory_n as_o the_o apostle_n plain_o affirm_v how_o can_v our_o suffering_n be_v cause_n efficient_a of_o that_o most_o excellent_a glory_n &_o salvation_n which_o christ_n have_v purchase_v for_o we_o do_v he_o not_o call_v it_o our_o inheritance_n when_o he_o say_v we_o be_v the_o heir_n of_o god_n &_o fellow_n heir_n with_o christ_n then_o do_v it_o follow_v most_o invincible_o that_o it_o be_v not_o obtain_v by_o our_o work_n but_o do_v belong_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o right_n of_o our_o adoption_n whereby_o we_o be_v make_v the_o son_n of_o god_n nevertheless_o as_o the_o father_n require_v obedience_n of_o his_o son_n to_o who_o he_o leave_v his_o inheritance_n so_o the_o lord_n most_o just_o may_v exact_v of_o his_o child_n to_o who_o he_o have_v 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intolerable_o will_v you_o match_v yourselves_o with_o christ_n your_o work_n and_o your_o suffering_n with_o his_o you_o make_v a_o very_a unequal_a &_o most_o unreasonable_a comparison_n for_o be_v there_o in_o you_o that_o perfection_n of_o virtue_n and_o excellency_n of_o grace_n that_o be_v in_o christ_n whereby_o he_o full_o satisfy_v the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o therefore_o deserve_v worthy_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n all_o our_o righteousness_n be_v unperfect_a all_o our_o obedience_n be_v full_a of_o infirmity_n whatsoever_o we_o can_v do_v or_o suffer_v be_v stain_v with_o some_o pollution_n of_o sin_n and_o therefore_o of_o due_a can_v merit_v nothing_o at_o the_o hand_n of_o god_n much_o less_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n and_o life_n everlasting_a thus_o your_o sum_n be_v not_o right_o gather_v as_o you_o may_v see_v work_n pag._n 102_o rom._n 6.23_o eternal_a life_n be_v a_o free_a gift_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o obtain_v by_o merit_n of_o good_a work_n 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world_n god_n forbid_v that_o we_o shall_v ever_o utter_v word_n so_o much_o serve_v for_o defence_n of_o atheism_n as_o you_o have_v here_o do_v or_o else_o set_v down_o in_o word_n or_o writing_n that_o s._n matthewes_n place_n be_v not_o according_a to_o the_o hebrew_n if_o you_o take_v part_n with_o the_o jew_n and_o open_o maintain_v that_o the_o hebrew_n word_n signify_v not_o a_o virgin_n but_o a_o young_a wench_n then_o will_v i_o answer_v you_o as_o the_o godly_a father_n have_v answer_v those_o wicked_a enemy_n of_o christ_n that_o 〈◊〉_d signify_v a_o young_a wench_n indeed_o but_o one_o that_o be_v a_o virgin_n be_v derive_v of_o the_o root_n that_o signify_v to_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o saint_n jeâ—â—â—â—_o write_v that_o this_o word_n not_o only_o signify_v a_o young_a maid_n or_o virgin_n but_o more_o also_o a_o virgin_n keep_v hidâ—_n and_o secret_a by_o great_a diligence_n of_o he_o parent_n and_o further_o also_o a_o young_a virginus_fw-la of_o tender_a age_n not_o a_o old_a virgin_n as_o some_o be_v and_o although_o the_o word_n in_o hebrew_n have_v signify_v only_o a_o wench_n yet_o the_o angel_n and_o evangelist_n expound_v it_o of_o such_o a_o wench_n as_o be_v a_o virgin_n also_o this_o may_v suffice_v all_o christian_n to_o believe_v and_o hold_v that_o our_o saviour_n christ_n be_v bear_v of_o a_o true_a virgin_n let_v jew_n turk_n atheist_n and_o heretic_n say_v what_o they_o can_v to_o the_o contrary_n master_n r._n be_v afraid_a lest_o man_n shall_v think_v he_o study_v to_o disgrace_v the_o greek_a &_o hebrew_a tongue_n etc._n pag._n 435._o etc._n etc._n which_o he_o confess_v to_o be_v great_a help_n to_o the_o attain_n of_o the_o true_a sense_n in_o sundry_a place_n of_o scripture_n and_o show_v what_o pain_n the_o catholic_n have_v take_v in_o
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collegiate_n of_o rheims_n to_o come_v in_o with_o their_o censure_n upon_o the_o apostle_n and_o to_o set_v down_o in_o plain_a term_n that_o all_o this_o proove_v not_o the_o matter_n in_o proper_a signification_n and_o that_o the_o apostle_n have_v omit_v the_o chief_a and_o proper_a proof_n thereof_o this_o be_v a_o blasphemy_n against_o christ_n and_o against_o the_o holy_a spirit_n of_o god_n by_o which_o the_o apostle_n in_o writing_n be_v direct_v but_o what_o can_v master_n rainolds_n say_v in_o excuse_n of_o this_o so_o manifest_a blasphemy_n 534._o pag._n 534._o he_o ask_v first_o where_o say_v we_o that_o of_o all_o those_o thing_n propose_v by_o the_o apostle_n it_o follow_v not_o that_o christ_n priesthood_n be_v eternal_a must_v you_o again_o be_v put_v in_o mind_n of_o your_o own_o annotation_n which_o yourself_o have_v at_o large_a rehearse_v have_v you_o not_o therein_o express_o in_o write_v publish_v all_o this_o proove_v not_o that_o in_o proper_a signification_n 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