as usually it doth amongst Divines it we doe but distinguish between admission into the Ch. reall and formall between the substance of the thing and the ceremonie or formalitie thereof The substance and reall admission indeed usually goes before Bap◠For infants of parents within the Church are born within the Church and so really within it before they be haptized And beleevers of age making open profession of their faith and repentance are ipso facto made members of the visible church by their visible profession But the formall admission of both in the solemne performance of it is both acted and sealed at once in Baptisme which is as it were a Christians formall matriculation or inrollment amongst the members of the visible Church It this be not so then let them tell me what and when is the formall admission of infants into the visible Church or are they never formally admitted untill they come to age Baptisme Ans to 32. q. 12. Nor cohabitation Discourse of Cov. p. 14 20. Nor voluntary and usuall frequenting the same place of worship subjecting a mans selfe to the same officers and lawes of government nor joyning himselfe in all holy fellowship both publike and private with the same societie Discourse of Cov. p. 21. Nor the law of the land made by the Magistrates authoritie with our own implicite consent in Parliament appointing that all Professours of Religion that sit down within such and such precincts shall be of such a Societie or Church Apol. p. 14. Nor all these together without the Church covenant which only is sufficient to doe it Ans to 32. q. p. 24. Discourse of Cov. p. 5 14 18-21 24 25. Apol. p. 19 24. 3. This covenant they hold to be distinct from the y Were the question only of the Covenant of Grace to be either entred into or renewed again and again at the constitution or restitution of Churches the matter were soon at an end that would be easily granted to be necessary yea essentiall And such only were all the Scripture Covenants which are usually cited by them to prove their Church covenant But that will not serve their turn 2. Or were it of a covenant between the officers and their people I conceive there would be no strife this being tacitely implyed in their mutuall choice each of other You shall be our pastour c. and we will be your people Provided 1. it be not obtruded as essentiall or absolutely necessary to have it expresse 2. that it be understood with a salvo jure not onely to that particular church and members nor only to that particular officer but also to all other Churches who have a common interest each in other for the good of all most of all to God himselfe 3. Yea if it were of a covenant between the church and her members and each member with another of remaining together as a fixed society till death without extraordinary impediment as a thing in it selfe arbitrary and occisionall only upon some particular reasons calling for it I speake what I thinke This also would not be denyed 4. Or which is all that can with any colour of reason be defined if it were of an ecclesiasticall constitution only binding the members to the Discipline and Covernment of such a church during mens convenient abode with it as a thing expedient only for the better being and better governing of the church I say an Ecclesiasticall constitution consonant to generall Rules of Scripture though not precisely commanded therein And which may therefore be intended temitted or altered pro re natâ according to the generall Rules of Scripture at the Churches discretion Such as are the covenants or promises required of the members of the Dutch and French Churcher There would not have been many adversaries But when an expresse vocall covenant is held forth and with all eagernesse pressed on us and on all churches as a Divine Ordinance particularly commanded in Scripture absolutely necessary essentiall and constitutive to a true church without which there is no true church but all societies are whores and concubines and without which there is no right unto nor orderly participation of any Church dutie or ordinance And this so obligatory that it is piaculum to remove from that societie with which one is in covenant without their generall consent sought at least as after is shewed And not only so but also letters are sent over with strong lines to disswade our people from living any longer in the way they have done out of Church order because out of church covenant Sermons are likewise preached bookes printed and private discourses made and in all these arguments artificially used and possionately and perswasively urged yea the Scriptures themselves forced to speake for their Church covenant as a Divine Ordinance c. I say when it is thus held forth and urged on us no marvell if it be not entertained without much agitation yea if it meet with much opposition and that amongst the godly and learned both persons and Churches Covenant of Grace so as that many which are within the Covenant of Grace i.e. effectually yea and visibly called too are not within the Church Covenant and so not within the visible Church as Job Melchizedek c. of whom before And again many are within the Church covenant and so within the visible Church that are not within the Covenant of Grace as hypocrites in the Church Apol. p. 5 6 14 Discourse of Cov. p. 3.16 4. Yet sometimes they tell us it is not distinct altogether or in substance but in some respects onely as a part from the whole this being a branch of that Discourse of Cov. p. 3 7 8 12 26 28. Apol. p. 8 31 43. A voluntary profession of z If this Church covenant be but the covenant of Grace then surely we have it and renew it daily in Baptisme at the Lords Table on our solemn Fasts c. why call they then so eagerly for that we have as if we wanted it 2. If it be but the Covenant of Grace what absolute necessity can there be of repeating and renewing it expressely and reciprocally at every admission of a new member subjection thereunto Apol. p. 22 24. Discourse of Cov. p. 18. especially to that part thereof which concernes Church a If it be a covenant of Church duties only and to this society only what needs a repetition of the whole covenant of Grace at least as essentiall to this covenant and to Church constitution and to Church membership more then to a marriage covenant or any other holy covenant It may be done at a wedding true but to make it essentiall to it would marre many a lawfull marriage Nor can it be judged essentiall that the particulars of the covenant of Grace so farre as they concerne church duties should be and that so oft repeated If two parties intending to marry each other should doe it in this generall forme only or
execute all Ecclesiasticall duties and offices t Hereby it comes to passe that because oft-times their Churches are long without Ministers that they are also long without Sacraments both the Lords Supper for the elder people and Baptisme for their infants Sacraments only excepted by meere lay men that neither are nor perhaps ever shall be officers in the Church 5. This Church being thus invested with all Church-power deriveth part thereof upon her officers viz. so much as she cannot conveniently execute her selfe and the rest she keeps still in her own hands and executes accordingly Ans to 32. q. p. 57. R. M. to W. R. ‑ R. M. to E. B. p. 4. Barr. Disc p. 223. 6. The officers have no power in Church matters but what the Church deriveth on them and which she may revoke and resume unto her selfe if she conceive they doe not use it well Ibid. And therefore she may call them to account for their actions though they were even Apostles themselves J. Cott. on 5. viall p. 10. 7. The officers are all but the Churches u Where saith the Scripture that the Church should rule her officers and the officers obey the church we find that officers are called rulers and people are commanded to obey them in the Lord frequently 1 Tim. 5.19 Heb. 13.17 but the other we never find We find indeed the Apostles call themselves the servants of the Church as Christ also made himselfe servant unto all but that is not to be understood properly but metaphorically and by way of some similitude unto servants who it good do seek their masters good and are for their profit not their own so did Christ and all the Apostles seek the Churches good not their own and so all Christians are commanded to serve each other in love But we may not thence conclude that therefore every Christian is in peoprietie to be anothers servant for then who should be master much lesse that the Apostles were properly the servants of the Church who gave rules to the Church what to doe and how to walk but received none from the Church least of all that Christ was so who both was and is the head of that body and King of that Kingdome We read also that Ministers are to do the acts of their ministerie in the Name of Christ and by his power 1 Cor. 5.4 Matth. 28.19 Mat. 7.22 But that they act in the name of the Church or by the power of the Church such phrases we do not reade them and therefore we do not beleeve them servants in proprietie of speech and she is the mistresse the queene In all things she hath the power of decreeing and they with her as others the meanest members of the Societie but as Ministers so they are only as her mouth to speake and her hand to act what she decrees doing all things for her by her power and in her name Ibid. Mr N. to W. R. ‑ R. M. to W. R. Rob. Apol. p. 49. Rob. justif p. 121 122 138 166 178 180 185 303 322. 8. The x And this were well too if this service of the Church were reserved only and intirely to the officers but alas this is but coÌ„mon to them with other members For if either the officers be not or be absent or refuse through scruple of conscience perhaps to act according to their mind they will and they hold they lawfully may call forth any other member whom they judge fit and enable him with their power to doe all that which their officers should have done Sacraments only excepted acts which they ascribe unto the officers are such as these viz. 1. To declare unto their people the mind of God in any matter to advise counsell exhort reprove c. 2. To moderate in Church meetings that order may be observed by propounding of things to be debated gathering of voyces pronouncing the sentence accordingly 3. To execute all the Churches decrees in admission of members ordination of ministers admonition excommunication c. Ans to 32. q. p. 57. Cott. cat p. 3 10. Cott. on viall 5. p. 9 10. Rob. justif p. 9 111 114 116 121. Cannes necess of separation p. 135. 9. y This body is all eye and all tongue no diversity of members all governours none to be governed All teachers contrary to the Apostles rule Are all teachers 1 Cor 12. â—9 And if their reasons for this be well examined it will appeare they make as much for women to rule as men No marvell then if this be so that they complaine in print and otherwise that Ministers are slighted amongst them yea trampled upon by some Cott. on vial second p. 24. Master H. to S. A. They professe to condemne Morellian and popular Government but what can be more popular then this wherein all have equall power to decree and any of them may be used to act as well as the officers and the officers are used as meer servants to the body which is the Mistressâ— At most they are but as the Speaker in the house of Parliament or as a Moderator in a Synod which rule not but are rather ruled Every member of the Societie that is of yeares except women hath equall power with other even with the ministers themselves as they conceive in propounding debating objecting answering and in judicially decreeing and giving sentence in all matters of the Church whether pertaining to faith or manners doctrine or practise whatsoever W. T. to P. H. ‑ Mr W. letter to a friend ‑ Ans to 32. q. p. 44. Barr. refut of Giff. p. 81. and in his Discov p. 36 38 125 223. Rob. justif p. 9 111 121. Sions royall Prerog Preface 10. And therefore although the officers may lawfully prepare matters in private for the Churches hearing yet they hold all things ought to have a full publike debate in the z This popular government makes good store of work both for Ministers and people especially if the body be numerous as the Apostolicall Churches were and ours ought to be if conveniently they may and if they must all conveene in one Congregation to he are examine and debate all matters till all be satisfied and brought to one unanimous vote It will not be one houre or two in a weeke nor in every day of the weeke nor searce all the whole weeks time that will suffice to finish all businesses that may fall out And what time shall the Ministers then have for studie and other duties or the people to follow their worldly callinge This course seemes neither agreeable to the wisedome of God nor profitable to the weale of the Church Besides the time of keeping their courts on the Sabbath day seemes many wayes inconvenient It must needs tire men out both Ministers and people make them forgetfull of what they have heard neglective of private and domesticall duties fill their heads and tongues full of worldly discourses and their hearts of carnall passions and distempers
u How can this stand with their doctrine of the covenant before which tyeth the members to church duties only to their own Church and that Sacraments belong onely to the members of their owne Church and with their doctrine following that Ministers are Ministers only to their own people and cannot doe a ministeriall act to any but such as by calling them have given them power over them which some of themselves perceiving rather then part with this latter which they hugge as a precious truth are content to question the former of the communion of Churches as S. E. mutually partake each with other in some Church-ordinances * If this may be done in Sacraments by vertue of Church communion why not in Ordination and Excommunication also as Sacraments And that this Communion is both between the Ministers and members of the same Ans to 9. Pos p. 62 78. Ans to 32. q. p. 29. Apol. p. 2 13. ‑ R.M. to E.B. p. 11. 2. By vertue of this Church communion they say one Church by letters of recommendation may give power to another Church over any of her members for Excommunication and the x This Divinitie is strange to me Themselves hold the Ministers power is not his own but concredited to him by the church so that he is but a Deputie himself deputatâ—a non potest deputare How then should he derive his authoritie to another and convey his power over to him as his deputie who himselfe is but the Churches deputie Ministers of one Church may convey power to the Ministers of another Church for Administration of the Sacraments to any of their members Cott. cat p. 7. Apol. p. 2 14 26 40. ‑ J.W. to T.S. Hence the infants of some of Windsor Church in N.E. have been baptized by the Ministers of the Church of Dorchester there R.M. to W.R. 3. But without such letters of recommendations and formall granting over of such power from one Church and Minister to another it were y They are very tender of losing any of their members and of having them but to communicate for a time with any other churches but their own but they make no bomes of getting all the members they can from cur Ministers and Churches belike we have neither true Ministers nor Churches and therefore they may doe with us what they list unlawfull in any case to administer any Church ordinance to any Church or members but their owne or to admit them to any Church communion upon any pretence whatsoever Apol. p. 14 26 40. 4. Though they hold it lawfull by this Communion of Churches for one Church to admit the members of another unto fellowship of Church ordinances and priviledges yet not of every Church But they thinke themselves bound to know the Church well whose members they so admit as well as the members themselves whether it bee a true Church or a false a pure Church or a corrupt Ans 10 32. q. p. 29. 5. And that if they should admit any members of a false Church they should offend in so holding communion with a false Church yea if they should admit any members of a corrupt Church they should be defiled by such communion unlesse they did first protest against their corruptions Ans to 32. q. p. 29. ‑ J.C. printed letter p. 12. yet they hold no such z What ground for this distinction of defilement by Church communion and no defilement by religious communion defilement by admitting them unto religious communion though their Church were not only impure but utterly false 6. They are very straight-laced in denying communion to the members of other Churches that are not a This is one cause and the chief why our most godly English going over thither are yet rejected from all Church communion there Not because of any personall defect but because of the reputed corrupt estate of our Churches whereof they stand or lately did stand as members constirated and governed in the same manner with their own which onely they conceive to be constituted and governed according to the Rule of Christ Ans to 32. q. p. 82 83 84. yea if a companie of approved godly people should sit downe neer them where their power reacheth differing from them onely in some points of Church-Government some of them tell us that not only they should not be b If upon such smaller differences they be so severe how much more would they be in greater Some of their pactie here plead hard to be indulged in sesser differences yet what those are we may not know or whether they he lesser or greater tolerable in a Church or not and if they be not hearkned unto they are apt to cry out Persecution persecution yet when others desire the like favour of them they tell us there is no favour to be expected if we persist to breake any Rule of Christ their meaning is if we follow them not close in their wayes So partiall and sâ—lfish are some men that they thinke all severitie to others too little to themselves too much owned as a sister Church but should also be in danger of severe punishment by the civill Magistrate H.W. to P.H. What they hold of our English Churches and Ministers see in the Postscript CHAP. XI Of Excommunication and Re-acception into Church-fellowship again upon repentance N. I find little difference herein betweene them and others of the reformed Religion more then what is above touched save that 1. I Heare some of them have prest that not only the scandalous but also the f And no marvell For if none must be of the Church but reall Saints such as have truth of grace which they cannot have that do not in some proportioÌ„ grow in grace therfore it must needs follow that such should be cast out And by the same reason cut with all that doe not convincingly shew all such evidences of grace as Divines from Scripture do lâ—y down as demonstrations of grace in men But if we closely hold to this way of triall of the members of true visible Churches we may well make Churches as the Brownists consisting of 2. or 3. or perhaps as our N.E. brethren of 7 8 or c. members but we shall rarely if ever meet with such numerous Churches as the Scriptures hold forth and therefore such as all Churches ought to be as neare as may be non-proficients that grow not in grace under the meanes might be excommunicated Which was the ground as some of them report of a groundlesse course set on foot amongst them at Cambridge in N. Engl. That the people met together privately at certain times weekly or fortnightly each one to hold forth unto the rest the work of God upon his or her soul from their first conversion unto that present day that so their Pastour might know how they grew in grace A.W. to Mr B. CHAP. XII Of Church officers their office manner of calling their power maintainance and
venture further into the search of other mens hearts or in pose any thing upon their coÌ„scâ—encâ—s further then they have the mind of God to warrant them low termes that they may take men into Church-fellowship Ans to 32. q. p. 8. the knowne Godly are presently admitted upon their own desire W. T. to Mr B. saith If a man be humble and have an earnest desire though he be but in a waiting condition if in other things he make conscience of his wayes he knowes no man of wit will denie him to become a member The same man to P. H. If your ministers were here they would not think us too strict but too remisse in Discipline I think in time we shall grow like old England E. C. to R. C. But of their abatements see after more particularly 9. Thus far of the first which is the maine thing they require in persons to be admitted into Church-fellowship viz. true and reall Saintship A second is that they be such as can cleave together both in q This is very good comfortable when it may be had but suppose some differ from us in opinion in points inferiour may they not be admitted and tollerated in that so long as they be not turbulent or infectious And what if men be of more sowre and cynicall dispositions by nature must no body admit them into Church-fellowship must they and theirs be for ever kept out of the Church and from all Church-ordinances and priviledges though they should have truth of grace as 't is possible they may because of some invincible remaines of an harsh and crabbed constitution opinion and affection Discourse of Cov. p. 4. and that there be a sutablenesse and sweetnesse of spirit in them apt to close one with another J. Cott. notes of the Church in fol. p. 2 3. 10. A third is that they r Doubtlesse a good rule agreeing to Scripture Pattern and the reason good I could wish they that hold it forth so strictly to others did not needlesly swerve from it themselves For whereas our Law hath tyed all men dwelling within such and such precincts to meet together in such a place under such a Ministerie for Gods publike worship and exercise of Church duties some of them contrary to this good Law destroy these so far forth at least orderly consociations pull asunder our true though not pure Christian Churches and patch up others of their own making gotten some from one parish yea towne citie some from another dwelling many miles asunder and therefore seldome or never meeting together but at publike worship when they have both their holy-day clothes and courses on whereby other pastors are robbed of their sheep confusion is bred in the Churches the pattern of Scripture Churches is forsaken which ever describes the members of each Church by the place of their cohabitation and besides other inconveniences the maine end pretended for their so firme and close uniting by Covenant viz. mutuall watching over each other is utterly prevented cohabite together as neere as may be for their better mutuall watching one over another Discourse of Cov. p. 4. Cott. cat p. 5. 11. A fourth thing is they must be such as know what belongs to f Therefore if any man denie or but doubt of this Church-covenant viz. as distinct from the Covenant of Grace their Church doores are for ever shut against him God helpe me then Church-covenant and approve thereof J. P. to W. R. T. G. to J. G. 12. Lastly they must seeke and desire Church-membership and Church-fellowship viz. in their way of it Apol. p. 11.39 Discourse of Cov. p. 4. J.W. Ans to 10. Quest J.W. to T.S. Ans to 32. q. p. 8. Cott. cat p. 4. which if they doe not they account them t This is harshest of all the rest may not such forbearance proceed out of humilitie or modestie though unwarrantable ignorance or tendernesse of conscience as scrupling their covenant and the courses following it discouragement or the like Men forget the royall law of love To doe as they would be done to Some call sharply for charitie Charitie to themselves that shew but slender charitie to others despisers of it yea wicked and gracelesse persons and so unworthy of it Apol. p. 25 26 27 34. Ans to 9. Pos p. 69. Ans to 32. q. p. 21. J.W. ans to 10. quest Discourse of Cov. p. 28. N. Concerning the admission of infants see after in the 7. CHAP. of Admission c. CHAP. IIII. Of the Forme of the true visible Church 1. THey hold the Forme of a true visible Church of Christ is that which they call the u This point of church covenant is worthy of deepe consideration for it will touch the free-hold not onely of our English Churches but also of all the Churches in the world if this be the rule to try all Churches by Church-Covenant whereby all the members of the Societie are united to Christ and one to another which therefore they count absolutely necessarie essentiall and constitutive to and of the true Church Discourse of Cov. p. 5-15 Ans to 32. q. p. 9 39. Apol. p. 6 9 17 19 20 21 24 25 38 39. Cott. cat p. 4. Without this no true Church nor true Church members but all are harlots and concubines Apol. p. 20 24. Discourse of Cov. p. 14 18 19 20 21 24. Without it all men are without the Church for which they usually cite 1 Cor. 5.12 and uncapable of any Church priviledge Apol. p. 6 11 13 19 20 24 25 27 38 39 42. Discourse of Cov. p. 17 22 28. Ans to 32. q. p. 11 21 24 38. Ans to 9. Pos p. 69. So the Separatists Rob. justif p. 75 79 56 81 82 85 86 110 210 207 231 257 351. 2. No other tye nor all others imaginable without this they conceive are not sufficient to knit men together into one Church nor is there any other way of admission into the Church but by this Not visible profession and practise of truth and holinesse though never so compleat and sincere Therefore they say * A strange yet bold assertion spoken without proofe of Scripture consent of other Authours or good shew of reason Melchizedek was a Priest and therefore prayed preached and offered sacrifice but did he this by himselfe and for himselfe alone Can there be a Priest by office without a people Job and Melchisedek with others such eminently Godly were yet no members of the visible Church because not within this Church covenant Ans to 9. Pos p. 66. Discourse of Cov. p. 14. Ans to 32. q. p. 28 37. Nor x Robins justif p. 230 saith ' it s an Anabaptillicall errour to hold that Baptisme constitutes the visible Church I suppose his sense is the same with theirs when they say that Baptisme admits not into the visible Church The contrary whereunto I conceive is neither Popish nor Anabapt but may well passe for Orthodoxe