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A26741 Reason and authority, or, The motives of a late Protestants reconciliation to the Catholic Church together with remarks upon some late discourses against transubstantiation. Basset, Joshua, 1641?-1720.; Gother, John, d. 1704. 1687 (1687) Wing B1042; ESTC R14628 75,146 135

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