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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A44785	Darknesse and ignorance Expelled by the light shining forth, and the appearance of the day. In answer to a book called, Innocents no saints. Published by one Edward Dodd, wherein he hath laboured to prove tythes lawfull, and tithing priests and hirelings to be the ministers of the word, and the masse-house the church; and calls idolatry civility, and heathenish complements courtesie, and hath perverted many Scriptures. His deceit laid open, his vindication made void, and his arguments confounded, and Truth laid open in all these particulars, for the sake of the upright in heart, who rejoyces in Truths prosperity. By one of the lambs followers, who makes warre against the heart of the dragon, and against the rear of the beast. F.H.	Howgill, Francis, 1618-1669.	1659 (1659)	Wing H3156; ESTC R215412	21,256	31

prevailed but are become all like broken bowes in which there is no strength which they may all lay downe in the field of confusion where they set their battell but the Lamb hath prevailed and his weapons are spirituall and they who follow him are skilfull to handle the sword and are able to make War with the Beast and all his followers and many are overcome and the rest shall be subdued and the day hastneth greatly that they shall melt away that hate the Lord And as for Christs saying let them alone they are blinde leaders of the blinde This he spoke of thy generation the Pharisees who were called of men Master and loved greeting in the Streets and Market-places and stood praying in the Synagogue in whose foot-steps the Priests of England are which Christ cryed wo against and now they are seen to be blinde guides and leaders of the blinde for they whose eyes Christ hath opened hath ceased from such and now bears their testimony against such In the eleventh page thou goes on in thy blindenesse and ignorance pleading for your publique place of worship the old Masse-house set up by the injunction of the Pope And you have taken their houses into your hands and scoulds against them in it when you are in the same nature And thou bidst us read what conspirators and enemies of God use to do in Pslam 83. 3 4. They said Let us take to our selves the houses of God in possession This was spoken of the Heathen of Gebal Ammon and Amaleck and the men of Tyre who devoured and destroyed and sought to destroy the Store-houses and Synagogues that were used in the first Covenant And thou mayest take the application home to thy selfe and to the generation thou art pleading for Have not the Papists good ground to plead with you in this behalf Was not the Abbies Monasteries Masse-houses Tythes Oblations and Obventions Easter reckonings Peter-pence the Papists and Jesuites maintenance And did not Henry the eighth who was the first establisher of your Religion in this Nation Did not he take them away from the Papists and then the Priests who denyed their holy Father the Pope got their tythes and the maintenance and took the Masse-houses into their hands and the tythes and Easter reckonings And if thou call these Gods houses and this Gods maintenance for his Ministers which maintained Popery Then thou hast brought all these Scriptures against thy selfe and thou art in a great transgression and your Schooles and Colledges which thou ignorantly callest the Schools of the Prophets like an unlearned man and Schools of piety then the Papists were Prophets and they were pious For these Schooles and Colledges were invented by them and you have gotten these from them to wit the Masse-house Schools Colledges Tythes Oblations the Papists maintenance and their hire and this is lawfull in your eyes and yet you will call them impious and idolators Are not the things the same in your hands as they were in theirs but these things are quite another thing then was in the first Covenant These things are not to be paralleld with the Synagogues Temples Store-houses Tythes under the Law for these were invented since the Apostles dayes and the Apostates who went from the life invented them when all wondered after the Beast and never mention a word of the Scripture as to thinke to prove these invented trumperies for the Scripture never intends nor them that spoke it forth to patronize your deceit in these things Object But it may be thou maist say Though these things fore-mentioned were set up by Idolaters and the places were made for an Idolatrous service and the maintenance and hire were to maintain Idolatrous Priests but now they are converted to a better use and they are convenient to meet in and convenient for our Ministers maintenance Answ. Did ever any of the Ministers or Apostles of Christ goe into the Iewes Temple or Synagogues to worship after Christ was ascended except it was to declare against them and to bring people off them or did they take the Jewish Priests maintenance which was commanded to be payd of God or did the Ministers of Christ exhort the Jewes that believed to build a Temple or a Synagogue to worship in Or did any of the Ministers of Christ go into the Temples of the Gentiles to worship or into the high places of the Iews Or did they receive the Idoll Priests maintenance or the Jewish tythes or eate that which was sacrificed to Idols If nay where is your example I know you dare not plead commandement from the Lord for these things Might not the Jewes when they had broken down the Altars of Baal and destroyed the Images and high places and the beauty of them have said these are convenient places for worship let us now worship here for conveniency and that maintenance of offerings that was offered to Idols let 's take them and give them to our Priests and Levites and let us offer them unto God If these things had been justifiable then yours are justifiable now but if condemnable then yours condemnable now and so let your mouths be stopped and speak no more so proudly nor bring no more such impertinent proofs and arguments for your deceit for that is enjoyed that weighes you all and can judge all your deceit And for Barbarisme and Heathenisme and Heresie thou speaks on which layes the Lords vineyard waste it 's brought in and dwels among you and the fruits are manifest in most of your Steeple-houses or Masse-house as witnesse your ringing of Pans Candlesticks Frying-pans throwing water and rude behaviour which hath been used by your Church-members as fighting beating punching tearing of cloaths haling out of your Assemblies them that come in the Name of the Lord and these be the fruits of barbarous Heathens which are not brought forth anywhere but among you but it may be thou wilt call this civility and courtesie and the tribute of the Nation And for heresie both in Doctrine and Worship none are to be compared unto you for unsoundnesse and ignorance for I looke upon you as the tayle of all the people in the Nation And the Vineyard of God that thou speaks on is no where layd waste so much as among you masse-house worshippers for you are like bryars and thornes scratching rending tearing and haling and are as a field untilled and as a waste howling Wildernesse that knowes not when good comes and that your Ministers are those proud phantastick sprits that have taken upon them to preach who denies an immediate call Neither are they approved of his Church which is in God the pillar and ground of truth but onely they are approved by man and by the Colledges which were invented by the Pope where more deceit and foolish fopperies are practiced then in any society in the Nation besides for them that denies an immediate call and an infallible spirit I deny them to be any Ministers of Christ and so

place Doth not his presence fill heaven and earth Is he divided from his presence But may be thou wilt say as thy generation doth that ●e is in the Earth by his spirit and in Heaven in his body or person distinct from his spirit If so then you divide Christ and a person without a spirit and not Christ I will aske thee a question No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came downe from heaven the Sonne of man which is in heaven Where was the Sonne of man or the man Christ when this was spoken If thou canst see this thou mayst be ashamed to shut Christ out of the Earth or from among his Saints where his presence his arme his hand and his power is which is not divided from his body but I know thou art deafe and canst not heare what I say and thou bringst Heb. 10. 12. After he had offered one sacrifice sate downe at the right hand of God that is sayst thou In his humane nature The shame is come upon thy selfe who have added thy owne imagination and let all see whether the Scripture speak of humane nature but thy folly must be manifest to all Thy third Particular that thou names and as thou sayest shames is If wee say wee are without sinne we deceive our selves Thou hadst better have enquired perfectly whether we said so or no before thou hadst undertook to reprove upon so doubtfull termes and thou bringst Prov. 20. 9. For who can say my heart is clean He can say so and speaks truth whose heart God hath cleansed by the blood of Christ from all sinne And then thou bringst Job 9. 20. If I justifie my selfe my owne mouth shall condemn me That 's true we justifie not our selves neither selfe but denies selfe and selfe is condemned and Christ Gods righteousnesse is become our Justification And then thou bringest Paul Phil. 3. Not as though I had already attained but follow after that I may apprehend What of that he was in his growth and was come to that which was perfect and did believe to attain to the stature of a perfect man And then thou saith I tell you you are not perfect your contempt of the Ministers of Christ and perverting the Doctrine of Christ are Characters of sin That shall stand for thy selfe and thy Masters whom thou art joyned with who sets up Popish trumpery in stead of the Ordinance of Christ and sets up the precepts of men introduced in the apostacy for the doctrine of Christ And then thou concludes the Scripture hath concluded all under sinne all in the first Adam but I hope the Scripture doth not conclude all under sin in the second Adam Neither doth conclude him under sinne that 's borne of God who sins not And if thou make any such conclusion thou gives thy verdict for the Devill and not for God then thou saith I am not pleading for sinne Thou art pleading for nothing else but for sinne and imperfection in which the Devils kingdome stands and thou saith thou hast cause to cry out O wretched man that I am So thou hast indeed hast thou repented of thy drunkennesse How long is it since thou fell off a bridge being drunke and broke thy leg but it is like for thy good service done to thy Master in writing this lying scrole he will give thee an absolution for that transgression The fourth Particular which thou calls our Tenet is That we deny the Scripture to be the Word of God And thou hast brought many Scriptures to prove that they are but they are as impertinent to the thing as thy former about the Steeple-house or Masse-house Thou hast brought many Scriptures Jer. 37. 8. how they are called the words of the Lord who ever denyed that but the Word spoke the words and the Word is greater 2 Tim. 3. 16 All Scripture is given by divine inspiration I deny that some was spoken by the Devill and some by wicked men and I hope thou wilt not call that divine inspiration Then thou may be wilt conclude I deny the words of Paul to Timothy I deny the word Is it is an addition of the Translator which word alters and varies the true sense of that Scripture but all Scripture given by inspiration of God is profitable for doctrine c. But knowest thou no distinction between inspiration and tradition You have it by tradition the Saints by Inspiration It 's a dead letter in it selfe and as it is spoken from your mouthes who speak of it by tradition but from them that were inspired the living Spirit uttered forth living words But what is all this to prove the Scripture or writings to be the Word of God And then thou cites 2 Cor. 4. 7. Not handling the Word deceitfully What doth this prove nothing at all and all the rest that thou hast cited is nothing at all but what we have answered over and over many times wherein all that have any understanding in the knowledge of God are satisfied That which thou shouldst have proved by the Scripture is where the Scripture or writings or Letter doth title it selfe the Word of God It is granted they are the words of God and the words of holy men inspired So in thy owne words I say take thou notice though thou art confident and presumptuous in this thou hast shamed thy selfe and not us The Word was before either Scripture Writings or Bible was which Word is greater and gave them a being And thou that wouldst set that which is brought forth by the Father above the Father art out of the Apostles wisdome speaking a similitude He that builds a house receives more honour then the house Now to call the Scripture the Word is to give as much honour to the house as to him that builded it but in a word this I say what ever the Scripture doth testifie of it selfe or call it selfe that I owne it to be And if any man call it another thing it shall testifie against him and so thou that hast gone about to set up the words which were spoken in time above or equall with the Word that was before all time art ignorant and unskilfull in the knowledge of GOD and silence would better become thee ●n thy last page thou saith How often have wee beene called upon to make known to the world what we hold and what we would have Are you the men raised for this worke alone to cry downe Tythes and speake against Lace Ribbons and Cuffs Is there nothing for us to do Then this declare that this is enough to salvatior I say we have declared more in the world then they do receive or believe and we have published the will of God to the earth in many things and shall further proceed as the Spirit of the Lord shall direct us And that which we would have is the old Dragon chayned and the Whore burnt with fire and her Merchants cease trading and the Sea dried

brin● the custome of unbelievers and the practice of unbelievers among the Saints who are believers and follows Christ their example I say we have no such custome nor the Churches of Christ The next piece of deceit thou art pleading for is bowing to one another the knee and titles of honour wherein the Devill hath a great hold among people Gen. 44. 14. This thou bringst to prove bowing Jadah and his brethren came to Josephs house and they fell on the ground This is an example indeed Wilt thou take another the same brethren of Joseph sold him when he was a boy was that a good act If thou say nay I say one is as much commanded and commended as the other for that same that doth violence it 's the same that respects persons but Abtaham bowed to the children of Heth what of that So did Joseph swear by the life of Pharaoh and both Joseph and Abraham were good men but they were never the better for these actions neither the one nor the other But then thou brings a Scripture and thou saith it must stop our mouths Gen 49. 8. 10. And thou saith this may teach us if we be of Jacobs seed and houshold to bow to the God of Jacob our King why should this stop our mouths But the scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a Law-giver from between his feet till Shilo come So he was to rule to wit Judah till Shilo came why should this stop our mouths Shilo is come and hath opened our mouths and the scepter is departed from Judah long since both them that bowed to Iudah and Iudah that was once bowed unto they are both bowed under and Shilo is set above and now he must be bowed unto go learn what that meanes It was answered against bowing the second Commandement prohibits it Thou shalt not bow down to them but the answer satisfies thee not Thou saith Doth this forbid civill respects or idolatrous worship That which thou calls civill respect is idolatrous worship putting off the hat and bowing the knee to a man with a gay Cloak or a gold Ring or a company of Ribbons or a long Gown To bow downe to such because of the attire is respecting of persons and idolatry but you are fallen into a far worse state then respecting of persons for you respect cloaths and doffs your hats and bow your knees to them with fine rayment And let the man in vile rayment or poor attire go by without either cap or knee and for all thy civility thou so greatly pleadest for and courtesie if he put not off his hat to thee it may be thou wilt call him Sirrah Rogue or Clowne for all thy civility Again put on the poor man good attire and a fine Cloak and a gold Ring then you change your note and say If it please your Worship or like your Honour your humble servant Sir Now here is not only respecting of persons which is commission of sin but respecting the creatures and worshipping the array which is upon a mans back which is idolatry and not civility which is to be condemned Yet civility and courtesie I owne which is so in deed and in truth but that which the world calls civility and courtesie is hypocrisie and idolatry And for Salutations thou saith we seldome use and thou bringst Scripture to prove that Christ and the Saints saluted one another Their salutations are owned and such salutations are practised by us in uprightnesse of heart and true love without feignednesse but we cannot do as you do bid a man God-speed when he is not doing the worke of God nor say Farewell to them who are in their evill deeds nor as the world doth with their Good-evens and Good-morrows and takes Gods name in vain and if one do not answer them according to their light vaine mindes they will fall a rayling and beating all such spirits we deny and their salutations In thy second Observation Thou saith Do not we prove that places of Christian Assemblies to be a Church and thou brings many Scriptures to no purpose Thou bringst the 1 of Kings vers. 8. and 1 Cor. 11. For the glory of the Lord shall fill the house of the Lord And thou answerest and saist not the Steeple-house but the Church There thou hast added to the Scripture and divers other Scriptures thou bringest wherein the Temple was called the house of God and the store-houses were called the house of God Mal. 3. 10. All which Scriptures I own but they are nothing to thy purpose that the Temple was called the house of God and the Tabernacle the house of God and the Store-houses the house of God this is granted These were made and builded according to the command of God wherein the Lords treasure was which fed the poor the fatherlesse and the widow and the Priests and Levites that ministred unto him which Temple Priests Store-houses and Tythes were figures and shadows of good thing to come which when the good things did come the figures ended But when did God command your Idols Temples to be built and what are they a figure of That which thou shouldst have proved is that your Steeple-houses where you meet anywhere in Scripture is called the Church of God Thou and thy Master Smith art offended that we call the place you meet in a Steeple-house and saith take heed that no such Language be spoken again as Steeple house Why not Huth not these houses Steeples But we shall call it truly and properly as it is the Masse-house which hath the Crosses standing upon them yet or an Idols Temple which was dedicated for the idolatrous worship and for the Idoll Masse and other superstitious ceremonies your windows full of pictures your walls full of images and Monks faces and bears yet the Popish names as St. Anthony St. Clement St. Dunstans and St. Patrick and St. Maries and the like You blinde men full of ignorance perverters of the Scriptures which would bring the Scripture to prove your idolatrous Masse-house to be a Church and calls it the house of God Temple of God when the first Founder was an Apostate and you who hold it up and calls it a Church are of his brood and are dead stones which worhips in the dead house and knows not what the Church of God is and yet you say to what end should we bring Scripture to prove any thing by to these men take it not into your mouths except you bring it for a better end to make people believe that the Prophets and Apostles when they spoke of the house of God and the Church of God spoke of your Idoll-temple or ever intended or meant your Steeple-house or old Masse-house And thou saith Few of the Ministers in England thou believes henceforth will have any thing to do with us for we are blind leaders of the blinde I believe they see sufficiently they have come to great losse and sees their weapons have not