Enoch and the rest of the holy fathers did beléeue before the floud we beléeue as Abraham Isaack Iaacob did beléeue the other godly patriarkes before the time of Christ we beléeue as the blessed Apostles of our Lord other holy teachers in the Church a loÌ„g time after theÌ„ did But you Papists when you speake of the forefathers let passe all these which are the most auncient and most principall draw vs to a few of your owne which haue bene within these seuen or eight hundred yeares in which time religion hath bene corrupted and the great Antichrist for the most part of this time hath preuailed If we cannot proue our faith to be the faith of Abraham let it be counted new and let vs be taken for heretickes Pa. If this were true that you beleeue as the holy fathers before the flouâ—d as the Patriarkes after the floud as the Apostles of Christ then doubtlesse you are in the right way but these are but words how will ye proue this we say still you are heretickes and fallen away from the faith of these and we proue it by this reason because ye are fallen away from the faith of those forefathers which succeeded these For the fathers of our Church are the successors of the Apostles therefore you being fallen from them are fallen from the Apostles Pro. Then ye graunt that those haue the truth on their side which beléeue as the Apostles Prophets Patriarches did It remaineth only in tryall which of vs hold that faith which they did We proue that we do because we acknowledge nothing but the holy doctrine of the Bible vpoÌ„ which their faith was grounded You bring for your proofe the doctrine successioÌ„ of some meÌ„ for certaine hundred yeares Let vs now sée who bringeth the best and surest proofe say what ye can to weaken ours then I wil shew that the fathers which you boast of from whom we separate our selues are no successors of the Apostles and therefore in departing from them we depart not from the Apostles whose doctrine we hold Pa. What are ye the better to say ye bring the Scriptures and ye beleeue nothing but the Scriptures and ye will be tried by the Scriptures By this you proue that you beleeue as the Apostles and Prophets did your reason is not good because the Scriptures are hard to be vnderstood who shall iudge which is the true sense and meaning of them who shall tell ye how the Apostles and forefathers did vnderstand them Shall not the Church If ye may take them after your owne interpretation then ye will do well enough but the Church which we are is to interprete them and therefore we do still condemne you and all other heretikes although ye alleadge the Scriptures neuer so much because you do but abuse them as the diuell did when he tempted Christ Therfore ye must bring better reason then this to proue that ye hold the ancient Catholike faith for this doth not proue it Pro. Oh what a trim shift is this here is as pretie a iugling cast as euer the diuell could play to bleare the eyes of the simple and vnskilfull to make them beleeue that the scriptures are nothing without the interpretation of the Church of Rome Each man must light his candle there or els he shall go in the dark This is one of the most subtill and craftie cauils which you Papistes can make and one of the strongest pillers which your kingdome is built vpon For when ye cannot denie but that the Scriptures doe speake for vs then ye flie to this that they are hard to be vnderstood ye wold make vs beleeue that when they speake of one thing they meane another when they speake of good they meane euill when they set forth heauen they meane hell Pa. It is like you will answere truth when ye charge vs with so great and manifest a lie where can ye shew that euer any of our side hath spoken or written that when the scripture speaketh of one thing it meaneth another Pro. Is that such a lie I pray you what is the cause why ye tel vs the scriptures are hard when they speake so fully so plainely and plentifully and with such consent and agreement in those things which are the principles of our faith if it be not that when they speake of one thing they meane another Wherefore shold we not vnderstand what God saith vnto vs if he deale simply Wherfore did the Lord speake by his Prophetes and Apostles to the simple common people if they could not vnderstand what he said I cannot tell what other reason ye can shew why they should be so darke as you make them Pa. Are ye then in good sadnesse of this mind that the scriptures are not hard to be vnderstood and are they not vncertaine because they may be expounded diuerse wayes Pro. I do not deny 2. Pet. 3â— but that as S. Peter saith There be some things hard to be vnderstood which the vnlearned and vnstable do peruert as they do other scriptures to their owne destruction I confesse with the authour of the Epistle to the Hebrues Heb. 5. That there are things hard to bee vnderstood because we be dull of hearing Also the iust iudgement of God vpon the wickednesse of men as it is set forth by the Prophet Isaiah Isa 5. in hardning their harts blinding their eyes that in hearing they may heare and not vnderstand in séeing they may see and not perceiue and also in causing the word of God to be vnto them as a sealed booke sa 29 I. doth make the Scriptures hard to bee vnderstood Now although they be hard also in some sort euen to the godly and diligent man those whom God doth teach yet they are not hard as you make them that is to say that in no wise they may be vnderstood or haue any certainty in them but by the interpretation of the Pope and his cleargie For that is most blasphemously to take away the light from the most pure and cleare word of God This therefore is but diuellish craft by which ye would driue vs from Gods word which standeth sure on our side and maketh flat against you The Scriptures can be expounded rightly but one way hauing but one sense Pa. That which you do alleadge out of Saint Peter doth make for vs where he saith That the vnlearned and vnstable do peruert not only those hard things but also all other Scriptures to their distruction 2. Pet. 1. Likewise the same Apostle saith That no Scripture is of priuate interpretation S. Paul saith 1. Tim. 3. That the Church is the pillar ground of truth Then I reason thus the vnlearned do peruert the scriptures therefore they are not to deale with them no priuate person is to interprete the Scriptures therefore none but the Church or those which haue the authority in the Church and because the
that which I grant some doe abuse the Scriptures if a man could tell which they were then it should suffice to take them from those but because it cannot bée knowne vntill it bee too late it is better to worke the surer way that is to take them from all and so ye shall bee sure no one shall gather errors out of them This reason is amplified by the price of the soule where also ye charge vs not to care for the losse of a few soules This is a great reason I pray ye if a man might aske what did it cost ye Pa. This is a pretie conueiance when ye are not able to answere then ye finde a way to make your self merie ye aske what it cost me ye should first aske where I bought it Pro. Nay I know the chiefe market of such wares is at Louaine I néede not aske where ye bought it But I am sure ye bought it too deare although it cost ye nothing because it was not worth the taking vp But ye say I cannot answere ye Yes that I can I say ye are like to a great wise man who hauing one shéepe dead of the rot by feeding in his pasture doth knocke all the rest downe and destroyeth them casting them away least some one more should be infected For because some doe peruert the Scriptures to their own destruction 2. Cor. 3. and because the Gospell is the sauour of death vnto death in some therefore you will cast away all the rest with them For what other thing doe ye when ye take from them the food of life and all the armour wherwith they should defend themselues against the spiritual enemie Your reason were somewhat worth if men could bee saued without the knowledge of Gods word but because they cannot therfore ye may put it vp againe vntill it bee better growne For your other words God gaue the Scriptures for all his people to reade and learne and therefore yée are murtherers of soules and arrant théeues when ye depriue the people of God of the waters of life and in stead thereof giue them the stinking waters of your owne inuentions And howsoeuer it pleaseth you to estéeme of the common people whom ye doe in disdaine set forth by Tom Carter and thinke it no reason to lay downe the whip and to take vp the Bible yet you must know they are the people of GOD redéemed by the blood of his sonne vnto whom the Gospell doth belong and they haue as great interest and full right in it as any other GOD hath promised to teach it them and also doth teach it them You are like the Scribes and Pharisies which cōdemned those which followed Christ because they were of the common people Doe any of the Princes say they or of the Pharisies beléeue in him Iohn 7. But this multitude which know not the law is accursed Those proude Prelates thought the people had no vnderstāding of Gods word when they vnderstood it better then they euen so it shall be found that many a poore plowman hath more right and sincere knowledge of Gods word then all your horned Bishops and great Rabbines Pa. Truly I cannot but marueile to heare ye cannot the people bee saued without the Scriptures bee in their hands Can they not doe well without the knowledge of Gods word Is it not enough for them to beleeue in Christ and to liue vprightly Must they needs meddle with that which is so far aboue their reach See I pray ye what case you set the people in ye shut thē out from saluation when ye teach that they cannot bee saued without the knowledge of Gods word For they be not able to know the word Let the best instructed of your common people come for to defend their faith will they be able to answer such reasons as some can bring against thē if not how do they know they hold the trueth that which they cannot reach vnto to perceiue may be the trueth for ought that they know Therfore I say still that the holy Mother hath done wel and wisely to take the Scriptures out of the hands of lay men You must proue that the common people are commanded to reade and studie the Scriptures which ye shall neuer be able for to doe Pro. No man can bee saued without faith faith cannot be without the word for S. Paul faith Faith doth come by hearing Rom. 10. hearing by the word How should a mā beléeue before he doth know what to beléeue Iohn 3. God doth giue testimony of his sonne he that beléeueth that testimony he doth seale that God is true He that wil beléeue must know what and how to beléeue therefore of necessity that he haue the knowledge of the word of God This doth proue how foolish you are whē ye aske if it be not enough for them to beléeue in Christ to liue vprightly as no wise mā doth doubt but that this is enough so there is no foole almost but a man may make him sée that this can in no wise be without the knowledge of the word Is it not the word which conuerteth the soule Is it not the word which lightneth the eyes and giueth wisedome to the simple Is it not the word which doth purifie Psal 19. Iohn 15. Iohn 8. Is not the word the light to guide our steps do not they which are of God heare the word of God Is it not said Blessed are they which heare the word of God kéep it Is not the man pronounced blessed Psal 1. which doth meditate in the law of the Lord day and night O yee miserable wretches what whores faces haue you put on that are not ashamed to speake directly contrary vnto God Is it not aboue their reach to beléeue and to obey God and yet is it aboue their reach to know what to beléeue and what is the will and pleasure of God which they are to obey Can subiects obey their Prince and not know the lawes Or doe Princes make lawes and then kéepe them secret If not wherefore should the lawes of the king of kings be secrets Can any seruant doe the will of his master and not know what it is But you haue an other stout argument to proue that the scriptures are aboue the reach of the vnlearned and therefore he is not to meddle with them he can neuer come to any certaintie of knowledge by them for let some man of great learning come and reason with him and he may make sundry reasons which the other cannot answere which you take to be a plaine proofe that his knowledge is not certaine but such as he may be driuen from Alas what stuffe here is to reason withall against the trueth such a cauiller as you may méete with some simple plaine man riding vpō his horse which he doth perfectly know to be his owne and make such Sophisticall reasons to proue the horse not to be his or
meaning thereof from your Church and although we haue the most cleare testimonies of the Scriptures against you yet ye set light thereby and all because your Church cannot erre and you expound them otherwise Therefore there is by your doctrine no rule left for a man to build his faith vppon but the exposition of the gouernours in the Church Aunswere me directly vnto this were there not false Prophetes in olde time among the people of the Iewes Pa. The Scripture doth shew that there were somtime a great number at once and the Church of God did euer condemne them Pro. But tell me how did the people know who were the true Prophets and who were the false the one side commeth and they say thus saith the Lord no saith the other side that is false thus saith the Lord quite contrary to the other and not only at some times a multitude of false Prophets against one true seruant of God but also the high Priestes and other Priests and gouernours in the Church taking part with them against the true Prophet Where was then your golden rule which ye would haue the common sort to measure their faith by I beleeue as the Church beleeueth I cannot iudge I must not meddle with the meaning of the Scriptures Pa. Proue this which you haue sayd it is an easie matter to affirme and you are ready to doe that but your proofes come slowly Can you shew that the high Priests and gouernours in the Temple did ioyne with the false prophets against the true Prophet Pro. They come a little faster then you would gladly haue them or else you would not be so calme if there were but a little matter of colour against vs for want of proofe you would set vp your bristles by and by and you would crowe but when the matter brought out doth choke ye then ye say there is nothing brought ye bid me proue that whē there were false Prophets and that sundry against one they had the Priests and rulers of the Church on their side Reade Ieremias the Prophet ye shall find the false Prophets against him and the Priests also and euen as you say against Luther and other which imbrace the holy Gospell they be heretikes the Pope cannot erre so say they for themselues against Ieremias Iere. 18. come let vs imagine some deuise against him for the law shall not perish from the Priest nor the counsell from the wise nor the word from the Prophete Were the godly people now which forsooke the Priests Iere. 1. Princes and Prophets and gaue eare to Ieremias apostats Did not the Lord tell him at the first when he sent him that he should haue the people the Priests and Princes against him Also ye may see it very fully and plainely expressed Iere. 20. that Pashur the Priest which was appointed chiefe in the house of God did smite Ieremias and put him in the stockes when hee heard him prophesie here was a right Pope a stoute Bishop that durst set Gods Prophet in the stockes This thing is set foorth in sundry places of the Prophets how the Priests the false Prophetes were linked together against the true messengers of the Lord. For ye may see how the Priests and Prophets and people lay hold on Ieremias Iere. 26. and would haue put him to death for the Priests Prophets accused Ieremias before the Princes that hee was worthy of death Eze. 22. The Prophet Ezechiel also complaineth grieuously of the Priestes and the Prophets Also long before the time of Ieremias Ezechiel the Lord complayned of the Priestes and Prophetes for their wickednesse For thus he saith by Mica Mica 3. the Princes iudge for bribes the Priests teach for reward and the Prophets do prophesie for money Behold also what God complaineth against the Priests and Prophetes euen in the dayes of the most godly king Iosia as ye may reade in the Prophet Sophanie Sopha 3. Likewise where the holy Ghost sheweth the cause of the great destruction which came vpon Hierusalem 2. Chro. 36 he saith that al the chiefe Priests and people committed many transgressions according to all the abhominations of the heathen and defiled the house of God which he had sanctified in Hierusalem how God sent vnto them his Prophetes but they would not heare them See then if the wickednesse of the Priests draw the Lord out of his Temple vnto which he had made so glorious promises and which he had chosen to be the place where he would be worshipped shall we now tie him to that chaire from which there haue come the most horrible villanies against God almost that euer were committed in the world shall we say that the most pure most holy God hath fastened himselfe to the mother of whoredomes and abominations Pa. Ye take great paines to small profit for a man may in a word ouerthrow all that you haue built ye haue shewed how the Priestes and gouernours in the Temple did corrupt their wayes and ioyned with the false Prophetes against the true messengers of the Lord. You gather out of this that there was no rule left in the Church for the people to trie the worship and seruice of God by but this conclusion of yours doth not follow because the corruption of maners and withstanding the true Prophets did not hinder but that they remayned still the Church and the worship appointed in the Temple was not to be despised for if any did forsake it they were indeed Apostats for whē they were euen at the worst Christ sendeth such as he had cleansed of the leprosie to shew themselues to the Priest and to offer the gift which Moses had commanded This must needes be so for otherwise how should that saying of Christ Math. 18. dic ecclesiae tell the Church be a perpetuall rule to all the people if there be once no Church visible to tell that cause vnto where is then the doctrine and precept of Christ Here therefore I say still ye be heretikes and apostats insomuch as ye haue departed frō the holy mother the Church ye haue forsaken the fellowship of the faithfull that which ye pretend the abuses of the Church is no excuse at all for will ye forsake your mother because she wanteth perfect beauty or because there is some deformity in her the abuses are to be reformed the thing must not be destroyed I would wish ye therfore to returne and to submit your selues againe and not to cast away your soules for ye be all damned heretickes which be out of the Church Pro. The breath of your mouth is very strong when as with one blast ye are able to ouerthrow whatsoeuer a man can bring out of the word of God But ye deceiue your selfe greatly for Gods truth will stand when you shall fall Your poore and silly shifts wil stand ye in no steed you make your reason after this maner when the Priests were
not to be an horse but a dog that the simple man cannot answere yet neuerthelesse because he is sure it is a horse and his owne not a dog the other may make many reasons which he vnderstādeth not how to auoide notwithstanding they cannot once bring him in doubt or to goe from that which he knoweth Euen so al the subtil cauillations of the diuel and his ministers when they come against the faith and knowledge of a godlie simple man which is grounded in the word of God cannot once moue him the déepe fetches and subtilties may make him muse but yet because he doth certainly know the trueth he doth not giue ouer that he hath felt the power of the word of God in himselfe and therfore is out of doubt it hath done that in him which cannot be wrought but by GOD. Vnstable soules may be beguiled for they haue not felt the power of godlines Yée would haue mée proue that God commaundeth the vnlearned men to studie and exercise themselues in the Scriptures I am ashamed to heare ye doubt of that matter Pa. If ye be ashamed to haue that doubted of then I trow ye will be ashamed not to proue it Pro. I would you would be also ashamed of your wilfull blindnesse and sée when things are manifestly proued Did not God vtter his word by Moses vnto the Israelites both men and women Did he not giue it them in their owne tongue Did he not charge them by Moses euen the lay people Deut. 6. and 11. that they should put his words vpon their heart and vpon their soule and binde them for a signe vpon their hands and teach them their children to talke of thē as they sat in the house as they walked by the way when they did lie downe and when they did rise vp Hosh 4. Are not the people blamed both among the Iewes and also in the time of the Gospell for their ignorance and dulnes Are they not exhorted to grow in knowledge and vnderstanding euery where Heb. 5. Did not Christ and all his Apostles trauell night and day to bring the people to vnderstanding 2. Pet. 3. Doe not the Apostles pray that they might be filled and abound in all knowledge Colos 1. Did they not giue great charge vnto other to teach and féede the flocke diligently Philip. 1. Acts 20. 2. Tim. 4. Did they not open all the counsels of God vnto the people Will your holy mother the whore of Babylon bee wiser then all these Did all these trauell in vaine Did Paul foolishly when he commaunded that men should not speake in the Church in a strange language 1. Cor. 14. vnlesse it were interpreted that so the rest might bee edified For shame giue ouer and confesse that your great whore hath done as fowle villanie to the Church of God as could bee in taking from thē the word of life and putting out the light to the ende that she might play the whore and commit all her abominations in the darke where none should espie them The light doth now shine so cléere that she shall neuer bee able to hide her selfe any more nor to couer her shame vnlesse it bee among those Night-birdes such as you are which cannot abide the light Pa. VVould yee make men beleeue that it is commaunded as a thing so necessarie and profitable when we see what followeth since the scriptures haue been opened vnto the people VVhat a multitude of sects and diuisions and quarrels haue risen VVhence commeth all this but that holy things are giuen to dogs Matth. 7. and precious pearles are cast before swine The vnholy and vnpure and sinfull men doe as it were with filthie vnwashed hands handle the heauenly mysteries and each man doeth gather for his turne that which liketh himselfe and then they are puffed vp and prattle they know not what I wisse I wisse they might bee better occupied then to meddle with the word of God which should not be touched but with great reuerence now euery one will bee pratling of it euen vpon their ale-bench Wherefore did Christ speake in parables Luke 8. Matth. 23. and tolde the Apostles that to them it did belong to know the mysteries of the kingdome of God but to the rest in parables that they might see and not see Doubtlesse as I sayd before there is great cause why the scriptures should not be knowne of the people When they did not know them they agreed and went all one way now hee is of this sect hee is of that sect he sayth this is trueth another saith that a man cannot tell which way to turne him Your learned men also themselues are at warre one against another one confuting another in their sermons in their writings alas must it not then much more follow among the vnlearned people If the learned cannot vnderstād the Scriptures how shall they which haue no learning O how well were our forefathers which knew none of all this I would the reading of the Scriptures did make men no worse thē they were they had good soules to Godward now men are starke nought Pro. The great subtiltie of the diuell to draw men away from reading the Scriptures appeareth in ye ye would proue it not only a thing vnnecessarie to haue them knowne but also very euill This yée proue by the effects which follow as diuisions and quarrels and sects by the same reason ye may proue that it had béen good neuer to haue heard of Christ about whom there haue béen so many quarrels in the world Esay 28. 2. Pet. 1. Many doe stumble at him he is the rocke of offence vnto many but the fault is in men and not in him Euen so the wicked which abuse the Gospell although they be neuer so many yet must not cause the small number of Gods elect to be depriued of their right and to be spoyled of their comfort So soone as the Gospell appeareth the diuell laboureth by his instruments to bring an infamie vpon it and to make men beléeue it is naught for it is he which raiseth vp sects and errors Gods word is not the cause He would by that meanes bring men into a maze that they should not know which way to turne them But you say the cause is that holy things are giuē to dogs and precious pearles are cast before swine Ye reason euen like your forefathers the proude Pharisies which took themselues to be so holy that they were not to bee taught and so wise skilfull that they regarded not others The multitude were accursed Iohn 9. the blind mā he was altogether borne in sinne you wretches count them dogs and swine and your selues holie whereas your selues haue plaied the notable vilaines and haue dealt vnreuerētly with the word of God Matth. 9. The Pharisies blamed Christ that he did eate with Publicanes sinners he answered that he came not to call the righteous Luke
wee condemne it and hate it more then you do And although ye goe about to abuse and wrest the scriptures against vs yet ye shall neuer bee able to driue any true Catholike from the right pure and deuout worship of God Pro. Will ye confesse if I proue that you are Idolaters that yours is the false Church and that ye are fallen away from the trueth that the Pope is Antichrist Pa. I must needes confesse that Idolaters are fallen from the trueth but where as ye make offer to proue that we commit Idolatrie I say still wee be the furthest frō it of all other And in this I think my selfe sufficiently armed to stand against all the heretikes in the world proue what ye can Pro. Al those which worship idols are condemned in the holy Scriptures to be idolaters But it seemeth you Papists doe not worship idols at least ye would beare men in hand ye doe not when as in very déede ye doe it in most shamefull maner Where hath it euer béene heard of that men haue more doted vpō stocks and stones then the Papists Wil ye stil then be past shame and say you hate idolatrie you are furthest from it of all other Pa. I say still and neede not be ashamed that it is the blindnesse of you heretikes which either cannot or will not see that ours is no Idolatrie This sin of Idolatrie is where they worship Idols wee haue images of the true God of the blessed Virgin of the Apostles and of other Saints wee haue no idols of feined and false Gods wee worship not the images themselues neither but the things which are by them represented Moreouer we doe not giue latria to the images of Saints but dulia which God in the scriptures doth neuer condemne I say therefore ye helpe vs when ye say we worship stocks and stones or that we worship any besides the true God You are the idolaters your selues Pro. You would faine purge and cléere your selues from idolatrie and therefore ye haue deuised these distinctions first ye would make a difference betwéene Idoll and Image yours are Images but not Idols Secondly ye shift the matter that ye do not worship the Images themselues but that which the Image doth put ye in minde of And last of all your déepe distinction betwéene latria which is worship which ye giue onely to God and dulia which is seruice which ye bestow vpon the Saints I will lay open how vaine these things are and yet how they be subtill to deceiue poore ignorant soules Pa. I know your answers well enough ye take vpon ye to defend that an Idoll and an Image are all one And so when it is said God made man after his owne Image yee may translate it after his owne Idoll It may be said of the picture image of the prince this is the princes Idoll Likewise if a painter paint an image of a dog ye may say this is an Idoll of a dog Ah Sirs this is ouer grosse ye shew by this what your skill is in other things Pro. Now must ye néeds win the spurres because wee say that Image and Idoll is all one sauing that the one is Greeke and the other Latin Ye say thē we must say God made man after his owne Idoll which were very grosse I confesse that in our tongue it were grosse indéed because the word Idoll is by common vse of spéech taken alwaies in euill part but in the Gréeke tongue it was not so But I will come néerer vnto ye to shew your deceitfull dealing in this shall wee desire a better iudge in this matter then the Hebrew tongue in the scriptures in which it is said that God made man after his owne image and in which there is much spoken of idols What if I proue that hee vseth the same word where hee speaketh of idols which he vseth where hee saith God made man after his owne image Will there then be such a difference Pa. When I see this then I will beleeue it before I will not the Scriptures do speake of images it may be there is the same word But you must proue it where hee doth speake it of those which were idols indeed of the heathen of false gods Pro. I wil shew where he speaketh of idols indéed which were worshipped by the heathē and proue that he vseth the same word The word in Moses is Tselem after which Adam was created Gen. 1. Now looke where hee speaketh to the children of Israel by Moses to command them to break down the idols of the heathen and ye shall finde the same word As Numb 33. He saith ye shall destroy Tsalme Massecotham that is their moulten images In the 2. booke of Kings chap. 11. it is said They went into the house of Baal and brake downe his images which he calleth by the same name By this it doth appeare that in the holy scriptures there is no such difference betwéene idol and image as the Papists would beare men in hand For these were idols by their owne confession which yet are set forth vnder that same word which Moses vseth for the likenes of God after which man was created Pa. All this doth proue nothing for wee doe grant that which ye haue said Because idols be also images although euery picture and image bee not an idol for an idol is an image which is worshipped and taken to be God Pro. It doth proue this for which I did alleage it that the same word is in that tongue vsed indifferently for the image of GOD and for the idols of the heathen But because ye say it doth proue nothing séeing idols be images although euery image is not by and by an idol vnlesse it be worshipped Let me demand this Is not that which is forbidden to bee made in the Scriptures an idoll Pa. I know no man which doth deny but that is an idoll which the Scriptures do forbid But you must go further then that for ye must proue that those which the Scripture doth forbid are but called images and so images and idols to be all one Pro. Ye say right for those which the scripture condemneth we must cōfesse to be idols then if I proue that the scripture doth condēne images it must néeds follow that they be idols I require no more for it is manifest that the Scripture doth forbid all images of God as in Deuterono 4. there is forbidden not onely Semel but also Temnuah and Tabnith And in Esay 40. Demuth Who will bee so mad as to deny but that here are images forbidden and therefore that images are idols Pa. I see no cause why I should not deny it for they were also idols because they were made to be worshipped Pro. I sée no cause why I may not estéeme you to be obstinatly blinded Because in these places which I haue cited he doth not onely speake of the true GOD but also the reasons which are set downe