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A65878 The popish informer reprehended for his false information against the Quakers meeting in reply to ... An answer to a seditious libel, as he most falsly terms the late innocent declaration from the people of God, called, Quakers, against all seditious conventicles, &c. (wherein their innocency is cleared, and herein vindicated) : unto which is annexed, a brief recital of some accusations cast upon the said people, by one H. Thorndike, one of the prebends of Westminster, in his book entituled, A discourse of the forbearance, or the penalties which a due reformation requires. Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1670 (1670) Wing W1946; ESTC R20124 15,096 24

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these the Houses which he saith God put into their heart to build him it appears they are and to them he would have all compelled but herein his Popish Spirit and Principle doth appear for did not the Papists build those Houses he pleads for for their Worship as he thinks God put it into their hearts to do but can he think that in every Country where the Gentiles are called in there must of necessity be such places or Mass-houses or must the poor Ministers of Christ forbear to go into those Nations to preach where there are no such consecrated by Pope or Bishop And then must the Gentiles in those Countries be unpreached to uncalled and unconverted till such Houses are built and dedicated I hope the Reader will easily see the obsurdity and ignorance of this malicious Informer herein who also adds that is Every place cannot be taken in the general sence for then it will take in Hell where Sacrifices shall never be c. Wherein he most absurdly reasons for the subjects of this Prophesie were neither in Hell nor to come there being the converted Gentiles as he confesseth And who is so ignorant of Scripture as to think that Christ and his Apostles were confined alwayes to meet in the Jews Temple and Synagogues for did they not meet on Mountains by the Sea-side and in Houses And did not many hundreds of the primitive Christians meet together and that at such places as were not dedicated or consecrated as the Mass-houses are And did not Christ set up the true Worship in Spirit and Truth above the worship at the Temple of Jerusalem where the Jews thought m●n ought to worship and was not that Temple a Figure and where i● there any Precept or Command in Scripture for the building such another and compelling people thereto to Worship answer by plain Scripture or else stop your Mouthes you Persecutors about Religion the true Christians who are Jews inward worship God in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the Letter they waited in the Spirit they prayed in the Spirit they sung in the Spirit they had the Spirit of Grace and Supplication powered upon them according to promise And this Worship was divine and not invented nor divised nor framed up nor yet performed in the will of man What and whence then was their Liturgie Let the holy Scriptures answer And doth not the Lyturgy of the Church of England allow of the Holy Scriptures of Truth and the Example of the primitive Christians therein recorded Let Truth and Reason answer And whereas this Accuser saith touching our Diffinitions in our Postscript viz upon the words Seditious Disloyal c. That they agree very well with our Practises and that we are guilty of all either in Posse or Esse and therefore ought to be prevented Reply As this most partial and prejudiced Informer hath all along set himself in his Pamphlet as both our false Accuser and unjust Judge so herein from his own groundless and evil surmise hath insinuated a most unjust Conclusion of guilt upon us as being Seditious and Disloyal that is loving Discord and Treachery wherein God and our Country knows he wrongs us but his proof of all against the Quakers amounts to nothing farther then an envious application of an old story of David George and John of Leyden c. and to an envious conclusion of being guilty either in Posse or Esse but whether this be any sufficient evidence either to convict or prevent us we leave to the just Witness of God in all Consciences and to the consideration of all unprejudiced impartial-minded men both Rulers and others London the 3d day of the 4th Moneth cal●●● June 1670. From some of the People of God called Quakers Here follows a Recital of some envious Information and Accusations against the Quakers by H. Thornedike Prebend of Westminster-Church so called in his Book called A Discourse of the forbearance or the Penalties which a due Reformation requires WHEREIN His unchristian and inhumane Spirit and Principle is discovered and hereby he hath shewed himself no better then the Jewish Priests Popish Prelates and other Merchants of Babylon PAge 177. Saith this Prebend But now as for the Quakers we are no more to reckon them among Christians then the Gnonosticks and Manichees of old then the Mahumetans at present Reply Here is no proof of any evil against the Quakers but ●eer railing misrepresenting them for they were never of the Principle of the Gnonosticks Manichees nor Mahumetans See what they held first concerning Gnonostici or Gnosticks they are recorded for Hereticks which swell●d in p●ide by some called Barbarites by reason of their beastly life Epiphanius saith the Valentines called themselves Gnostici and that all women among them were common c. Now how most unjustly this Prebend hath compared us called Quakers to such let all that know us and our Principle judge for all such Debauchery and ungodly Practises and Ran●isme we utterly deny and abhor they more suit the Spirit of many of his own Fraternity who are owned as Sons of the Church and more justly might be compared and applied unto them who are possest with the Spirit of Whoredom among whom Whoredom and Drunkenness encrease who for all that being capable to put into Priests mouthes remain unexcommunicated And as for the Manichees it s recorded they had their appellation from one M●●●s a Heretick who called himself Christ and who said that Christ was not truly born but fantastically and that he taught that there were many Gods and that the Sun was to be worshipped and that the Souls of men went from one Body to another c. But these things were never believed nor taught nor owned by the Quakers and therefore this prejudiced Prebend's instance and comparison herein together with that of the M●h●metans against us is most false and malicious and unjust and hereby he can never unchristian the Quakers for their Christianity both in Life and Principle stands over him and all such false Accusers Preb. For they do openly own the dictates of their own Spirit to be as much the Word of God as the Scriptures acknowledging the Scriptures so far as they please Reply This is also a false Accusation for it is not their own spirits but the Spirit of God which they follow the dictates of which agree with the holy Scriptures by which Spirit of God the Revelations of the Mystery of Life and Salvation in Christ is given unto us and we have received power not only to profess but to order our conversations according to the holy Scriptures Preb. Introduce the pretences of their own Revelation where they think fit Reply This is also an evil suggestion for it is not such pretences but the Revelation of Jesus Christ in reality that by his Spirit is introduced amongst us Preb. For when the private spirit is equalled with Gods Word the last dictate as in mens