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A75767	Davids enemies discovered. VVho of him make songs, but without the Spirit and without understanding, as the drunkard did which he declares of in Psal. 69.12. Or, a true discovery of that custome and forme which the priests of this generation would make an ordinance of, to blind the eyes of the simple, as this priest Clapham: in his 6 arguments, which is here answered, / by us who suffer for the truth, whose names according to the flesh are [brace] Christopher Atkinson. George Whitehead. Also a brief reply unto Frederick Woodall's three principles and resolves; and with replies to his answers, to several queries propounded to him, that to the simple the truth may be cleared, from one who for the captivated seeds sake suffers now in outward bonds in Norwitch Castle, whose name in the flesh is Richard Hubberthorne.	Atkinson, Christopher.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723.; Hubberthorn, Richard, 1628-1662.	1655 (1655)	Wing A4126; Thomason E830_10; ESTC R202144	16,205	23

DAVIDS Enemies discovered Who of him make SONGS but without the Spirit and without understanding as the Drunkard did which he declares of in Psal. 69. 12. OR A TRUE DISCOVERY of that Custome and Forme which the PRIESTS of this Generation would make an Ordinance of to blind the eyes of the simple as this priest Clapham in his 6 Arguments which is here answered by us who suffer for the Truth whose names according to the flesh are Christopher Atkinson George Whitehead Also a brief REPLY unto Frederick Woodall's three Principles and Resolves and with Replies to his Answers to severall Queries propounded to him that to the simple the truth may be cleared from one who for the Captivated seeds sake suffers now in outward bonds in Norwitch Castle whose name in the flesh is Richard Hubberthorne LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black spread 〈…〉 West end of Pauls 1655. A Paper being brought into our hands which was given forth by one of the Priests whose name is Jonathan Clapham who to uphold his deceit and Imaginations and carnall observatirns In imitation from that which the true worshippers which worshipped in spirit and truth without for me or letter witnessed and spoke forth when redemption they did see and so were they hid from such as would make a Custome and a trade upon what they spoke forth who lived the life of what they sung and spoke in the spirit who lived not in Custome nor in Imitation of others neither did they boast themselves in another mans Line made ready to their hands but as they received the spirit so walked they in the spirit and with it they sang and by it they spoke and by the spirit they knew what time it did signifie and such as was sensuall who had not the spirit but the forme they denied and witnessed against them and such now with the same spirit do we witness against and to clear the truth and lay open the deceit of this generation of Priests who make a Custome and a trade of Scriptures who take peoples money for that which is no bread but for dishonest gain destroyes souls and keeps poor people in blindness and darkness by their Inventions and vain Imaginations that under their Dark Ministry poor people are ever learning never able to come to the knowledge of the truth and for their sakes who by these blind guides are led in blindness Are we moved to answer something to this Priest Clapham's Arguments as he calles them that they that never saw might see his nakedness uncovered by which Arguments he is going about to maintain singing of David's conditions a Custome which are Answered as followeth c. SInging of Psalmes was once an Ordinance of God in the Church and a part of divine worship and 1 was never repealed under the Gospell 2 nor was of a Tipicall nature and use as was the ceremonies and to cease with them 3 but ever reckoned among morrall and perpetuall duties as prayer and learning the word see Psal. 59. 1 2 6 7. 4 such a duty as the very light in all men taught them to practice witness the custome of all nations See Godwin Rom. Antiqu. and read Homer's himnes Horaces odes c. which sheweth it to be of an universall and perpetuall obligation therefore it continues an ordinance of God still as well as prayer and learning the word and should not be abolished under the Gospel They who witnesse the Gospell are come to the ministration of the spirit which is the end of all shadowes which shadowed forth the life who came to witness the Church in God 1 Thes. 1 and of this church the saints were ordained members and this church was not a temple made with hands where once singing was which was to cease with its worship and the songs of that temple was to be turned into Howling Amos 8. 3. but they who are members of the church which is in God they sing with one spirit being thereunto called by the Lord which was not morall but spirituall and they did not bring old Authors to prove their Actions by as thou doest but in that they worshipped which was before Authours was and before Oxford and Cambridge was which thou and thy generation have your Ministry f●om and their word and Gospell was not the letter which thou and thy generation makes a trade upon and by the same spirit they sang by which the Gospell was preached and there was no division and they made not a Custome of other mens conditions as to get them into rime and meeter and give them forth unto a company of blind people as thou and thy generation do and their singing was with the spirit and with understanding which we owne but thee we do deny and all thy generation wo give people Davids conditions to sing in a meeter where David did mourn and where he was afflicted ye sing and where he quaked and trembled and prayed and prophesied these ye sing tell God you do so and here you make a custome like a stage play upon Davids conditions and scoffs and scornes at them now who witnesse Quaking and trembling and this we deny for this is both without the spirit and without understanding The prophesies in Scripture that foretell the state of the Church in the new Testament do speak of Psalmes to be used there as a part of Gods worship Psal. 98. 1 2. Psal. 100. 1 2. Psal. 100. 1 2 3. where mention is made of the Gentiles when converted singng Psalmes to God Rom. 15. 9. see Isa. 26. 1. and 35. 10. Rev. 14. 5. and 15. 3. The prophesies in scripture that foretell the state of the church do not prophesie as psalmes to be used as a part of Gods worship nor such a word there is spoken in them for the prophesies were fulfilled when the end came and the church was the life of that which the prophets prophesied of which was without spot or wrinckle and the songs of this church are everlasting and they who are come thither can sing a new song for the salvation which they are witnesses of Psal. 98. 1 2. and they can sing the song of redemption and the song of Moses and of the Lamb which no man can learn but they that are redeemed from the earth and they that have the new name Rev. 14. 3 4. and this song can neither thou sing who art in the earth and in thy earthly nature and ministers for the earth and to the earth in Balaams way for gifts and rewards nor them to whom thou gives Davids conditions who are not brought to see the day of bitterness and lamentation which the saints did witness before they came to see salvation and redemption for which they praysed God which salvation and testament to the end that generation is hid who live in the wild prophane and heady nature without the fear of God who are in the time of wantonness and laughter

and this you have gotten into a rime and meeter and bids people sing and there you make a sport of Davids conditions and makes people say they are so in which conditions David never sang but as he found deliverance from under the wrath of God and when ever did thou or any of thy generation witness these conditions which David passed through before the seed was brought forth here thou Priest Clapham hast shut thy self both out of the Scriptures and them that spoke them forth And whereas thou saist that the Apostle alluding to the custome of drunkards here again we charge thee Priest Clapham to be a lyar ond a wrester of Scriptures for the Apostle never spoke such a wo●d as alluding to the Custome of drunkards here this thy Comparison is unequall to compare the saints singing to the Custome of Drunkards neither did ever the Saints cal● singing a Custome or make a custome of it as thou art going about to maintain and whereas thou art going about to devide the Psalmes as thou calls them by these three Hebrew words into Psalmes Himnes and spirituall songs Here thou art ignorant both of Psalmes Himnes and spirituall Songs who art going about to divide Psalmes by thy confusion oftongues and here thou art in Babell which God confounded into many languages and there is thy ministry in thy confusion and Languages which a natural man may learn and there thy singing is in the Custome without the spirit But they that knew how to sing with understanding did sing with that which was before Babell was and before thy confusion was and before Sternhold and Hopkins rimes which they made of David which thou practises and they that would sing a new song was redeemed out of kindreds tongues and people Rev. 5. 9. and this redemnption thou that livest in thy tongues and naturall languages art not come to and the new Song and Himnes thou art ignorant of and whereas thou sayest that which James spoke was generally there thou art a lyar and a wrester of scripture for the Scriptu●e saith is any among you affl●cted let him pray is any among you merry let him sing but this was to the 12 Tribes James 1. which he calls his Brethren and that was among them and not among thy generation who live in Formes and Customes who are strangers to the life of God and again thou art going to make the Apostle James a Lyar like thy self who sayest that mirth is the most prayer season when as that Scripture saith is any among you merry let him sing is any afflicted let him pray which is quite contrary to thy words As for Paul and Silas singing in prison their sufferings and imprisonments thou never yet was made partaker of nor their joy thou never knew wherein it was who art going about to maintain thy customes in the world which thou hast no scripture for but with it art disapproved and with the the light thou art seen to be a stranger both to the Saints joy and that wherein they rejoyced There are severall rules given in the New Testament directing how to sing aright as 1 Cor. 14. with the spirit and with understanding with grace in our hearts Col. 3. which directions were needless if it were no Gospell duty They that are brought to sing with the Spirit and understanding they witness that life which spoke forth Scripture and need not go and get other mens conditions made like ballades or songs and sing them or cause any in a custome to sing them as thou dost in a steeple-house and these do not call the letter the rule and the 4 books Mathew Mark Luke and John the New Testament and Gospell as thou and thy generation do for Paul said he was a minister of the Gospel and of the New Testament and not of the letter which thou calls the Gospell and New Testament 2 Cor. 3. 6. and there both out of the Gospell and new Testament thou art shut and thy Ministery is in the Letter which killeth and thy Inventions and reasons and consequencies adds to it and that thou makes a trade upon and for it thou takes peoples money and there with the light we read thee in the Scriptures to be among them the true prophets Christ and his Apostles cryed wo against such as seek for their gain from their quarter Isa. 56. and such as are hirelings Micah 3. and such as are called of men Masters stands praying in the synagogues having the chiefest places in the assemblies and the uppermost rooms at feasts and the greetings in Markets which Christ cryed wo against Mat. 23. and such as go in the way of Cain to envy and after the errour of Balaam for gifts and rewards which Peter and Jude cryed wo against 2 Pet. 2. Jude 11. and there thou art and thee thy Ministry and thy singing we utterly deny who art both shut out of the Scripture among the greedy doggs and that life which spoke them forth and thou seen to be among them the Scripture witnesses against And whereas in thy 6th Argument thou sayest that Christians may reap much profit or benefit by the right using of this ordinance there 's an efficacy in it to lift up the heart more and elevate it in Gods praises and holy delight it brings to the soul therein and art telling of mutuall edification and provocation to rejoyce in God as drunkards by their songs stirre up carnall and sinfull mirth so these help spirituall joy They that are Christians do see thy blindness and ignorance both of scriptures and that which spoke it forth and Christians have not their joy to fetch out of other mens conditions neither do they go to without and yet Davids prayers prayses prophesies cryings tears wastings afflictions in meeter to sing to bring delight unto their soul as thou art going about to maintain there thou blind guide thou dost not know what it is that rejoyces in God nor what it is that prayses him for to thee it is hid who makes a trade and Custome of a dead Forme and causes the dead to sing which cannot prayse God and there in the mutuall and changeable state thou art in thy carnall inventions with Tubal-Cain the Inventor and outward observations and edification thou art not come to who to uphold thy carnall singing and rejoycing doest bring a Comparison of the songs of drunkards which the saints never did here thee thy singing thy Joy and thy Ministry are shut out among the drunkards and seed of evill doers and there is the fruits of thy Ministry and of that sort are they that uphold thee and speaks well of thee as they did thy fathers the false prophets and among the false prophets and deceivers thou art with the Light seen and Judged and the same wo which was to them is to thee now who art found in their stepps Here Priest Clapham thy Arguments are answered and the rest of thy rotten stuff

which is not worth mentioning with them comprehended and seen with the light to be all acted in thy filthy reason and Inventions which are stuffed up with so many lies and wresting Scriptures as thou art here disproved in So let shame cover thy face and deceive people no longer with thy dreames and lying divinations and customes and outward observations which thou hast no scripture for which here is plainly laid open to them who are not altogether blind therefore make no more Merchandise of peole through thy covetousnesse nor take peoples mony any more to maintain thee in thy deceits and filthiness but make restitution to them whom thou hast deceived and led in blindness and give them their money again which dishonestly thou hast taken upon them of whom thou hast made Merchandize for the sword of the Lord is drawn against thee and that generation thou art in and wo and misery is the end of your songs and your joy and your profession of God and Christ who are found acting those things he and all the holy men of God witnessed against The day of your trouble and torment and misery is coming upon you Wo wo to you pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture saith the Lord wo to you hippocrites and dissemblers who are acting in their stepps the prophets Christ and his appostles witnessed against and are filling up the measure of your fathers Iniquities ye false prophets and scribes and pharisees therefore stop your mouthes in the dust and never say you are Ministers of Christ and his Embassadours for your bottome and foundation is seen and tryed and your Customes traditions and practises are with the light condemned and humane is all your worship there who draw near unto God with your mouthes and lipps and your hearts farre from him every ones heart after his own gain and filthy lucre who teach for doctrines the traditions of men and there you keep poor people in blindnesse and makes a prey upon them and tell them of outward ordinances and duties and customes as this Priest Clapham wherein he is disapproved in his Arguments and his folly made manifest and so shall all yours who are of his generation who live in pride and covetousness and act those things ye have no scripture for who lead captive silly women laden with sins and iniquities led away with divers lusts everlearning never able to come to the knowledge of the truth but you shall proceed no further for your folly shall be made manifest to all men From us who are sufferers for the testimony of Jesus whose names according to the flesh is Christopher Atkinson George Whitehead Something in answer to the High Priest's Paper wherein he layes down 3 Principles and severall Resolves as he calls them wherein he goes about to resolve people that the light of Christ in the conscience and that which doth enlighten every one that comes into the world which light is Christ is natural and so to resolve them that Johns testimony of Christ is not true as it is written in John 1. 9. and doth deny Christs words to be true who saith he is the Light of the world John 8. 12. John 3. 19 20 21. and in John 12. 46. But in the light of Christ he is seen and comprehended yea the depth of his subtlety and confusion is here unfolded and his Paper answered from the light of Christ which he calls naturall but by it he is proved to be naturall and not to discern the things of God though he pronfesse himself to be a Minister but here his works are brought to the light and he by it is proved to be no Minister of Ghrist but a hater of the light as John 3. 19 20 21. The Priests 1 Principle THere are two Adams from whom all men are out of whose Loynes all men do come the 1 Adam is a Fountain of all Naturall good the 2 of that which is Spirituall and thou brings Scripture to prove it 1 Cor. 15. 2 22. Ephes. 5. 30. Gen. 2. 33. 1 Cor. 15. 45 46. Answer Art thou a teacher in England and is this the principles of thy doctrine to teach people that all men come out of the Loynes of the 2 Adams without distinction and that the first Adam is the fountain of all naturall good here in the presence of the Living God I declare thee and thy principle to be false for the first man is of the earth earthly the second is the Lord from heaven from whom is the fountain of all good out of the loyns of the first thou proceeds but not from the second and thy principle proceeds from thy ear●hly wisdome which is in the fall and cursed and here again thou may read thy principle with shame and confusion of face and repent before the Lord cut thee off as a deceiver who teaches for doctrine thy one conditions The Priests 2 Principall In thy second Principall thou speaks of two seeds and that the first Adam was not the looser of mankind but his seed and the 2 Adam was not the restorer of mankind as so but as his seed Answer I answer here thou art twining like the serpent to blind the eyes of people with thy lyes and doth cross the Scripture which thou thy selfe brings in the former principle 1 Cor. 15. 22. which saith as in Adam all dy so in Christ shall all be made alive and here thou denies Christ to be the restorer of mankind and here thou art dark and blind and preaches and writes against the end for which Christ came into the world but restauration by Christ we do witnesse and life from the dead and the seed of the promise we witness brought out of captivity by Christ and all who come to witness the same shall deny thee who denies Christ to be the restorer of mankinde The Priests 3 Principall In thy third Principall thou sayest the grace of life none is partaker of but the seed Answer Here thou crossest the Scriptures which saith the grace of God which brings salvation hath appeared unto all men and some turn his grace into wantonness and walke despitefully against the spirit of grace Titus 2 12. and that is not the seed which turns it into wantonness and walkes deceitfully against it for that is the seed which by grace is taught to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts but it hath appeared to those who abuse it as thou dost who put forth these principles and here thy principles is found lies as thy Resolves are which follow thy Principles The Priests Resolves Now to resolve people that the light of Christ in the conscience is a naturall light thou sayest that the writing upon the heart of Gentiles is not new Covenant written but old so not of grace and Life but nature Answer I answer here thou resolves them falsely for the workes of the Law being written in their hearts this is not naturall which

doth bear witness in the conscience and either accuse or excuse but is one in the covenant spoken of in Jer. 31. 33. Heb. 8. 2. and here thou puts in Light for darknesse and darkness for light Priest Again thou speaks of two Images the Image of God and Image of Christ and saith something of the Image of God remains after the fall and brings Cer. 6. 9. to witness it when as there is no such thing spoken of there and thou sayest nothing of the Image of Christ is found before calling Answer Here thou would make God and Christ two images and so utters forth one lye after another and denies the Scripture which saith he is the express Image of the Father and thou sayest the first Image is naturall the second is spirituall and here let all behold thy blasphemy who would make the Image of God naturall and the Image of Christ spirituall and calls them two Images stop thy mouth and be ashamed for ever for being a Teacher who seeks to resolve people of such things as to deny God and Christ and make them two Images the one naturall and the other spirituall and saith something of the image of God is found in man after the fall but nothing of the Image of Christ O blinde guide that ever England should be deceived by such but the Lord is now making you manifest and in the light thou art comprehended and thy subtlety is seen and thou art now met withall who hath long blinded the eyes of poor people with thy fained words and subtle pretences but here thou art discovered to be an enemy to that which in word thou professes and so thy words will cover thee no longer for the life hath found thee out and by it thy spirit is tryed to be the spirit of errour and voice to be the voice a stranger Priest Again thou speaks of a naturall light and sayes naturall Light puffs up and quotes 1 Cor. 8. 1●2 Answer Here out of thy own mouth thou art proved to be a perverter of the scriptures for that scripture saith knowledge puffs up but the Scripture speaks of no naturall light Priest Again thou sayst naturall light discovers the blessing of the first Covenant Answer This is false for all the blessings is to the seed which is in the Covenant and is the Covenant but nature is out of the Covenant and out of the blessing of all thy resolves and light is contrary to nature for light is spirituall but thou art naturall who saith the light is naturall Priest Again thou sayest naturall light may convince of evill Answer This is false and here thou art a Blasphemer to call Christ naturall for it is Christ that convinceth the world of sin and the light which Christ Jesus hath enlighted every one with all which convinceth them of evill and thou that sayest this is naturall did never yet owne that which doth convince of sin the Light which will condemn thee who hates it and calls it naturall A Reply to the Priests Answers to the Queries propounded to him The 1 Querie How is Christ the light of the world and how doth he enlighten every one that comes into the world if it be not in the Conscience John 1. 9. Priests Answer Jesus Christ enlighteneth every man with the light he hath he is indeed the enlightening light and not John but it will not prove because Christ quickeneth that therefore with the same life or there is no naturall life for Christ Saints light is the light of life sinners not so not their life Reply In the light of Christ thou art seen and comprehended for thy dark words cannot hide thy confusion who in thy answer saith Christ doth enlighten every man that comes into the world and then would make the light of Christ which enlightens the sinner not to be the same light which is in the saints and here all who ownes light in any measure may see thy confusion for the light of Christ is but one and it is through the obedience to the light in which they come to witness sanctification from sin which now many do witness to the praise and glory of God who is their teacher what hast thou Frederick Woodall taught the people all this while who art a blind guide for he that knowes not the light of Christ is blind for darkness hath blinded his eyes The 2 Querie How doth the spirit of Christ guide unto all truth and shew things to come if it be not within the conscience Priests Answer This endeavours the removall of the Ancient Bonds making common the priviledges of the Saints and brings that Scripture Jer. 24. 7. Reply This Scripture Jer. 24. 7. shall stand to bear witness against thy self where the Lord saith I will give them an heart to know me that I am the Lord and they shall be my people and I will be their God and the promise of Christ wherein he hath promised the spirit to guide them into all truth and to shew them things to come and this thou sayest endeavours the removing of the Ancient bonds I answer It is to remove all such doctrine and such teaching as thine and the priests of the world under which the seed of God is kept in bondage and under the chains of darknesse and these thy bonds which thou layest upon the seed is as Ancient as since the fall and hath kept people ever learning and never brought them to the knowledge of God and now when God hath promised to give them an heart to know him without such teachers as thou art and this is thy torment but let this tormen thee for ever till thy mouth be stopped for it is so we witnesse it The 3 Query How doth the spirit of Christ reprove the world of sin of righteousness and of judgement if it be not in thy conscience Priests Answer It is not the spirit in the world that reproves the world of sin John 14. 17. but the spirit in the saints who are to Judge the world 1 Corinth 6. 2. the spirit in the saints by the light of truth Reply This thy answer and these Scriptures do witness against thy self and here thou art made to confess the truth out of thy own mouth thou may be judged as all who hate the light are and here by the spirit of God in the saints and the light of truth art thou judged and here if thou wilt owne thy own words owne thy Judgement for the saints do now judge the world under which judgement thou art The 4 Querie How are the children of God taught of God if it be not by the light of God in the conscience Priests Answer This is absurd as the second this is the strength you shall be all taught of God Reply It is thou that art dark and blind and obsurd who would keep the people from the teachings of God calling that absurd that thy own teaching might be continued and people be kept still in

is false for they are of use and necessary to reprove thy deceit and them we do witness in the life of the spirit which gave them forth The 13 Querie If there be something in the creature naturally which is light then how is it that the Scripture concludes all to be children of darkness who are in their naturall estate and how is Christ said to be light to them that sit in darknesse Priests Answer Light and darkness naturall light full of the wisdome of this world but spirituall darknesse Reply How darest thou profess thy self to be a Minister of Christ and calls the light of Christ naturall and darkness spirituall and here let all read thee to be he which puts darkness for Light and Light for darkness The 14 Querie Whether there be any other thing that convinceth of unbelief but that which convinceth of sin in the conscience seing Christ saith he shall convince the world of sin because they believe not in him John 16. 8 9. Ephes. 5. 13 14. Priests Answer The 14th is the same with the 13th answered there Reply Here let all see whether these 2 Queries be one and let them read thy answer to them both which is saying that the light in the conscience is naturall and darkness spirituall The 15 Querie Whether do you find any Scripture that speaks of any Light that convinceth the conscience but the light of Christ with the Law of God written in the heart Priests Answer I say all are not convinced nor will not till Christ come Jud 15. Reply Here thou art the Antichrist which denies Christ come in the flesh and would make people believe that Enocks Prophesie is not yet fulfilled which Jude did witness to be fulfilled as Jude 15. and did witness Christ Jesus to be come who fulfilled the Law and the Prophets and John did witness that Christ was come to convince the world of sin of righteousness and judgement and John in his Epistle did write that he which did not confess Jesus Christ come in the flesh was an Antichrist and we do witness the same and there thou may read thy self 1 John 4. 3. The 16 Querie Whether it be not the Light of Christ which bears witness in thy conscience against all evil and if it be not the Light of Christ then man is not wholly fallen but there is something in man Good before Christ come Priests Answer I say double there was something good in man remaining after the fall Reply If so that something good in man after the fall whether is that good naturall or spirituall and whether is not that estate of man which is in the fall naturall and so prove this from the Scripture what it is that was not lost in mans fall which need no Christ to save for Christ came to seek and to save that which was lost And now to thee Frederick Woodall Here thy confused Paper is answered in plainness and art not flattered for I love not to give flattering Titles to any neither can I have any mans person in admiration for advantage From a servant of the Lord though counted a Deceiver by the generation of Priests yet true whose Name according to the shesh is RICHARD HUBBERTHORNE Prisoner of the Lord in Norwich Castle The 20 day of the 12 Moneth THE END 2 Cor. 10. 13 14 15 16. 2 Tim. 3. ● Jude 19. Priest Argument 1. Answer Priest Arg. 2. Answer Priest Arg. 3. Answer John 1. 9. Acts 4. 12. 1 Cor. 2. 14. and chap. 1. ●● Isa. 42. 6. Ephes. 2. 1. 1 Cor. 4. 20. Heb. 11. 36. to the end Col. 2 14 16 20 21 22. Ps●l 119. 175. Isa. 38. 19. Priest Arg. 4. Answer Priest Arg. 5. Answer Priest Argument 6. Answer to the 6th and last Argument Luke 6. 26. 1 John 4 5. See Isa. 56. 10 11. Jer. 5. 31. Micah 3. 11. Matth. 23. Jude 11. Isa. 29. 13. Col. 2. 14 16 20 21 22. 2 Tim. 3. 2● 7 9.