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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A70878	A true and full account of a conference held about religion, between Dr. Tenison and A. Pulton one of the masters in the Savoy Published by authority.; True and full account of a conference held about religion, between Dr. Tho. Tenison and A. Pulton one of the masters in the Savoy.	Pulton, A. (Andrew), 1654-1710.; Tenison, Thomas, 1636-1715. aut	1687 (1687)	Wing P4209A; ESTC R205100	12,420	26

was content that Gentleman should retire and pitch'd upon another who casually came in tho' not known by name to A. P. 3. Here the Dr. sitting down invited A. P. also to place himself by him which he did but desired very much that Pen Ink and Paper might be brought and every thing writ down which should be said on either side but this was not accepted of 4. The Youth appearing for whose sake the Conference was A. P. said That having of late in his Catechisms shew'd the necessity of true Faith for Salvation and of some assur'd means to find out the said true Faith which he had shewn to be a True and Infallible Church This Youth had been moved to entertain thoughts of joyning himself to the Roman Catholick Church he desired therefore that the Dr. if he could would be pleas'd to assign a better Rule of Faith and which might serve to keep the Youth in the Persuasion he had been bred in The Dr. reply'd That the Boy had told him no such thing but that A. P. had told him of the contradictions of Luther and when the Dr. asked him what Book of Luther it was the Youth answer'd a Book in Quarto whereupon the Dr. told him That Luthers Works were not in that Volume but in Folio A. P. granted he had spoke to that purpose of Luther and had shewn that Luther had taught now Seven then Three then Two and at last only One Sacrament and there being consequently no Unity in his Doctrine he had no Spirit of Truth in him But he said he never had brought any Book to the Pulpit with him Then the Dr. reply'd The Boy began with a Lye to which A. P. reply'd That did not follow for he had shew'd him such a Book in his Chamber which was not any piece of Luther's Works but had Quotations out of them At which the Dr. had a fling at Equivocation saying That A. P. had shew'd him no Book to wit in the Pulpit but he had in his Chamber to the contradiction of Luther he said the Church of England depended not upon Luther and that the Roman Church had not always taught Seven Sacraments to which A. P. reply'd That the Church then defin'd the precise number of Sacraments when the debate began concerning the Nature and Essence of a Sacrament but had never taught and declared a contrary number Here A. P. to avoid wandering press'd the Dr. to assign his Rule of Faith. 5. He having assigned the Holy Scriptures A. P. reply'd There were two things incumbent on the Dr. to prove 1. That the Volumes he call'd Holy Scripture were truly such 2. That when so prov'd they were a sufficient Rule by themselves of Faith. But to the Second Point nothing was said 6. To the First the Dr. answer'd they had been handed down from the Apostles A. P. desired the favour to know by what hands The Dr. answer'd The Scriptures were prov'd by the Testimony of Turks Jews Gentiles and Christians and that he had the same certainty for them as for there having been such a Man as Cicero and Caesar Here Mr. M. asked the Dr. who then turning towards him seem'd to speak to him whether Turks Jews or Gentiles made up part of the Testimony he alleag'd for Holy Writ But A. P. desiring that no body should argue but himself desired to know further of the Dr. from what immediate hands the Church of England had receiv'd their Bible when she began the Reformation The Dr. answer'd from the Universal Church and that he meant by the Vniversal Church all those different Bodies which make up the number of Christians Then A. P. urged to know whether all those different Parts made one True and Uncorrupted Body or whether at least there was then any such thing as a True and Uncorrupt Part at least of the Whole But the Dr. would not allow the Whole to be so nor yet assign any Part thereof void of much Corruption 7. Here a pleasant School-Master perceiving the Argument to pinch with wry Mouths and antick Postures offer'd to A. P. a Picture as he said of the Blessed Trinity A. P. perceiving that the standers by were disposed to Laughter reply'd That God having been pleas'd to appear to the Prophet Daniel under the form of an Antient Man he saw no reason why he might not be Painted as he appeared provided one meant not to delineate him in his own Nature Which said he return'd to his Argument and press'd much to know how the Scripture having been deliver'd unto them by corrupted and consequently false Witnesses could be held for the assured and undoubted Word of God. But the School-Master continuing to throw in impertinent Questions with many ridiculous gestures A. P. said he came not to argue with a Buffoon but a Dr. This was ill taken and the Dr. was pleas'd to read a Lesson of Charity upon that Subject and went about to prove that A. P. had violated the Holy-day And when Mr. M. said in A. P's defence That St. Paul had us'd as sharp Language on a like occasion The Dr. reply'd were he St. Paul he might do so too 8. Here A. P. perceiving the Dr. willing to enter a Discourse of a different Subject he wish'd Mr. M. to withdraw to the Window that the Dr. might have no occasion of diverting the Argument or complaining there were two against one which done he urged a great while the Dr. to declare How he was assured of his Bibles being the True and Uncorrupted Word of God since he believ'd all those who had delivered it were Superstitious and Idolatrous or at least False and Corrupted And how since he taught they had Corrupted and depraved the Sense of Holy Scripture he could believe upon their Authority the Letter to remain Pure and not Corrupted using thereto this Simile That if one should bring a Deed into a Court of Justice attested only by Lyars and Corrupted Witnesses although never so many it would never make good any Action in Law or find Credit with any not Corrupted Judge pressing this with much earnestness the School-Master return'd to his former humours putting in impertinent Questions and saying the Buffoon asks this But A. P. neglecting his impertinences press'd the Dr. continually for a positive Answer and the Dr. said at last There were True Christians of an Uncorrupt Doctrine at such time as the Reformation began A. P. press'd to know whether they were visible or invisible at that time If invisible he desired to be satisfy'd how they had taken the Bible from invisible hands If visible where they were in what Place or Country But to this never could obtain any satisfactory Answer 9. During two hours and a half which this Debate lasted all their Answers were as follows Sometimes the D. appeal'd to the greek-Greek-Church to which A P. said That he had not then received the Scripture from the Universal but a Particular Church and desired to know if the Dr.

would stand to that Plea and be Judged by the Greeks If so A. P. would demonstrate to him That all the Opinions or at least the Chief wherein the Church of England Dissents from the Roman Catholick Church were Condemn'd and Anathematiz'd by Two Great Councels called in the East on those Subjects since the pretended Reformation Here the Dr. said the Greek-Church had been Corrupted by our Missions which is far from being so they having been of the same Judgement many Hundred Years ago 10. Then he Appeal'd to the Bohemians A. P. asked Whether he would be Judged by them If so he wou'd find how although agreeing in some Points not material yet in the Substance they much Dissented from the late Reformers who descended not at all from them no more than they from the Apostles 11. Here the Dr. against A. P's will importun'd Mr. M. to come from the Window and sit by him beginning a private Conference with him which lasted a considerable while A. P. not being able to obtain of the Dr. a Prosecution of the Question in debate but called for a Bible which when he would have opened I know not on what occasion A. P. said it was the Question in hand to prove that Book to be the Word of God Then he called for a Greek Testament and asked A. P. if he at least would allow of the Greek Edition A. P. reply'd he allow'd of it but from his hands could receive neither the one nor the other unless he made it out better than he had done yet that it was the Pure Word of God. The standers by seeing A. P. reject the Greek Testament gave a little shout as tho' he understood it not but A. P. would have shewn himself a sufficient Master of the Language had he not been resolv'd to give no occasion of diverting the Discourse from the main Point 12. Continuing therefore to urge the Dr. for a positive Answer he said in the end This Discourse whereby he call'd the Authority of Holy Scripture in Question tended to Atheism A. P. granted his Position and said it was true in their Principles who having taken all Infallible Authority from the Church there remain'd none for Holy Writ which was left to each Man's fancy to receive reject or interpret at discretion and urged the Dr. very pressingly to assign One Body of Christians which either had held positively or negatively as the Church of England does And said moreover That if the Church of England were the True Church she must derive her Succession from the Apostles to that the Dr. Answer'd He must have a Library of 10000 l. worth of Books to shew it A. P. reply'd he believ'd it and added That had he 100000 l. worth he wou'd never make it out Here the Gentleman mentioned above in the second place putting his hand into his Pocket and taking out a little Volume said he would shew the Succession of the Roman Catholick Church at a much easier rate 13. Here A. P. was over-seen in letting the Dr. slip to a new Question upon the occasion of the Succession Where the Dr. deny'd that St. Peter had ever been had Rome to which A. P. reply'd That Calvin himself upon account of the general Tradition thereof granted that Peter had been put to Death at Rome tho' he allow'd not of his sitting there 25 years And although A. P. said it was nothing necessary for the Truth of our Succession that St. Peter should have resided rather at Rome than Antioch If the Dr. pleas'd he would make out to him how according to true Chronology he might have resided there 25 years and produced his Remarks relating to that Subject and asked the Dr. who had Planted the Christian Faith at Rome of which St. Paul speaks in the First Epistle to the Romans whereas it is certain St. Paul had never yet been there nor any other Apostle except St. Peter But the Dr. seeing A. P. forward to prove the Point passed to the Question of Transubstantiation and the Real Presence 14. A. P. seeing there was no Answer to be got to the main Question that he might not seem to decline a particular Controversy though he said That was far from the purpose intended yet he would yield to the Dr. and accept thereof Consequently to which he demanded who the Dr. would be Judged by in this matter He answer'd by the Universal Church A. P. demanded whether by the Universal Church now extant or that of the Four First Centuries If that of the Church now in Being he had at least Five to One against him but he reply'd That his Appeal was to the Four First Centuries Then A. P. desired all present to take notice that the Dr. would be Judged by the Testimonies of the Four First Centuries 15. Here mention was made I know not on what occasion of the Council of Lateran relating to the Real Presence when the Dr. asked abruptly what Pope had presided at that Council which not occurring to A. P. the Dr. was pleased to say he saw A. P. was a Man of no Reading to which A. P. reply'd The Dr. was under a mistake that he had Read all the Ecclesiastical History and had Volumes of Notes relating thereunto He added moreover That it imported nothing who it was presided that it was the great Council of Lateran where were Assembled near a Thousand Bishops Prelates and Abbots besides a very great number of Divines the Legates of the Kings of England Jerusalem Cyprus to say nothing of Neighbouring Princes The Dr. mistaken much more grosly than A. P. in Point of History deny'd That there were any from England or that the Four Patriarchs were there so much as by their Legates 16. Here A. P. perceiving the Dr. to begin to wander from the Question as it had been stated produced a Book which contained several Testimonies of Holy Fathers as also a Paper in English for the satisfaction of the standers by having moreover another Book in his Pocket relating thereunto Here the Dr. complain'd he had hard measure that he was come unprovided and excepting against Authorities cited out of Authors not at hand said let us take a Coach and go to a Library A. P. answered he was content But not to disappoint the Company he desired he would be pleased to hear the Quotations he had as he believed very exactly Quoted and asking of the Dr. whom he would be pleased to hear first naming several The Dr. desired to hear St. Ambrose whereupon A. P. read one of his 4th Book 4th Chap. De Sacramentis tu forte dicis meus Panis est usitatus Sed Panis iste Panis est ante Verba Sacramentorum ubi accesserit Consecratio ex Pane fit Caro Christi Hoc igitur astruamus Quomodo potest qui Panis est Corpus esse Christi Consecratione Which for the satisfaction of the Hearers A. P. read so in English You say perchance mine is usual Bread But that Bread is